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Ezegozie: i can not see anything.

The only thing i can see is that MOST NIGERIANS DONT UNDERSTAND THE SCIENCE BEHIND HOMOSEXUALS

some homosexuals are born with aptitudinal tendency of having Se.xual urge to their fellow men instead of women due to abnormal occurence (MUTATION)

So please, i want you to understand that our pope does not condemn HOMOSEXUALS but he condemn HOMOSEXUALITY.

where is faith in God? does it mean that with faith in God a homosexual cannot change if he or she recognise that it is wrong? repent and put measures to stop that ungodly act, ask for Gods favor coupled with seasoned prayers?

some were able to break loose from that before, homosexual is not new, in the corinthians church, many were like that before, but they put effort to stop it and were washed clean! sactified and were declared justified;
1 corinthians 6:9

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, [b]nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 [size=18pt]Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.[/size]

What it simply means is that the pope does not condemn a man who is naturally born with abnormal sexu.al orientation but choses to live a righteous life of never allowing his flesh to ruin him.
But if the man allows his abnormal se.xual orientation to lead him into commiting homosexuality, then he is to be blamed.

there is nobody born with such abnormal traits that through faith with works cannot be changed, catholics habor it for a long time outside bible principles,using excuses like the one you gave as reasons, and when it is getting out of hand, they now want pity from outsiders, THEY ARE LOSING THE BATTLE!

I think this should be my last comment in this topic, it seems some people here don't research before commenting.
Thanx and Goodbye

you have tried at least to stay glued to a church you were brought up, and used to, but remenber what jesus says "anyone who love father, mother, or anybody more than me is not worthy'"

immidiately i read your comment i knew that you have little knowledge about the bible,yet you already made up your mind , but fight the bible! how can you truly say during the judgement day that you have done your uthmost best in seaching for the truth in the bible.

im not surprised afterall jesus said that the road to life is 'narrow, and only few pass through it' not majority, which means that we have to force ourself to conform our life with the seemingly tough standards that identifies or attached with being true christian, is a statement of fact that you need to aknowledge!

lets see what you have to say

Ezegozie: i am not mixing anything up. What you fail to understand is the fact that the bible is LITERARY sometimes and is not exac in many cases. Can you remember matt 19:24
"Again i tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

if you check the LITERAL meaning of the above statement, it simply means that it is impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Because it is impossible for a camel to pass through the kingdom of God.

above here is a case whereby you are making the same mistake like you did before in romans 14 above, in which you separate sentence that suits you 'out of the context and form a wrong decision'

bebefore matt 19:24 jesus was discussing with a prince who had much attachment with his wealth, yet he keeps major commandment in the law but jesus told him to do just one more thing, that is to sell his wealth and focus on the following him to preach, the same thing he did to james and the rest who were fishermen but left what they are doing and follow jesus, but this prince see it as a difficulty to detach himself from the wealth and follow jesus, read;
matt 19
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven

it was "how difficult it would be for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven" that jesus was butressing that made him to narrate it using the metaphorial usage in verse 24 to drive his point home.

you would have ask why it will be difficulf for a rich man to enter into Gods kingdom

the answer is not far fetched, the answer is that 'controlling riches' and 'serving God' are two different institution competing to take full attention of ONE'S HEART.

hear what jesus says about that

mathew 6:21.... [size=14pt]For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also[/size].

Luke 16:13
"No one can serve two masters" Luke 16:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”[/color]

Godly devotion cannot be done simultaneously with keeping riches without offending people working for those riches, ask any rich man, and you will see that the basic problem they have is keeping their riches, and in the process they are entangled with the stress therein.

note, moderation is what is needed alongside Godly devotion!

so, you noted that below;

So what THE VERSE IS TELLING US in general IS THAT IT IS USUALLY DIFFICULT 4 A RICH MAN TO ENTER HEAVEN bocs he is more likely to be distratced by his wealth simple.

So the previous verse i gave may not be talking about homosexulity but what it is telling us in general is that JUDGEMENT including HOMOSEXUALITY IS LEFT FOR OUR MASTER AND NOT US simple

no, paul was giving confidence to the new converts who were not jews but were intimidated by jewish christians then to observe part of the law covenant which has ended on the stake, but our faith through christ, see it here in colosians

colosians 2:6-16

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[b] with thanksgiving.

8[b] Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world,[/b] and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.


11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[d] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

the issue above does not include homosexual, the bible was clear on that, except you chose to harden your mind,

the catholics believed that st peter is the first pope,

then see what peter had to say which pope francis have failed woefully to do,

2 Peter 2:6-7
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction,[size=18pt] making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly[/size]; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked

more on living ungodly are homosexuals/homosexuality included in the defination of soddomites, see it listed below and still keep hardening your heart;

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [size=18pt]homosexuals, nor sodomites[/size], 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners [size=18pt]will inherit the kingdom of God"[/size].

by their fruit yee shall know them

it would have been superflous for paul to now judge the homosexual AS NOT GOING TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD' if he had earlier denied judging them!

read it pls;



1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,[size=18pt] nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,[/size] 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God".

or this again by the same apostle paul:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you [size=18pt]that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy,[/size] an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.[size=18pt] Do not even eat with such people[/size].

can you see that?

Ezegozie: Are you educated at all?

I ask because your comment does not only portray hatred towards the catholics, but portray a man with a low an unenlightened mentality.

You can still enrol in school atleast to change your s.tupid mentality, its never too late,

And incase you are a christian which i dont believe you are,
tell an educated person to read and explain this chapter of the bible for you

see what mushroom church dey cause, if i tell you people to stop going to mushroom churches where hungry looking illiterate pastors are hell bent in confusing, extracting and evaporating the remaining moisture in you people, you will not agree. Now, see the result

hello sir,

have you ever read the whole chapter,

it is only talking about food, in which some christian jews were judging the gentiles;new converts who are not jews, this does not apply to homosexuals,it has a boundary read the bolded;



Romans 14:1-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c] 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[f] 22 Do you have faith?[g] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

this is only talking based on food! not applicable in homosexual issue, dont mix it up! ok

Kay 17: First of all, what "constructed" the male and female parts for intercourse and to what purpose? Reproduction or Pleasure?

foolish question! are you with your christian senses you have contracted a virus disturbing your system! cant you use the bible again? allude your question to what the holy scripture approves! maybe you need to know why sodom and gomorah was destroyed because of men laying with men, which hurt God.

remember that those doing Gods will only will be saved, so you need to"disown yourself"and follow God way of life!

@Rhymeyjohn

what slander means;

slan·der

The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

all my assertions were true, since no proof that countered them otherwise!okay?

profstar: Hello, you won't expect me to answer that question when you already know the answer

im happy with bolded above!

now to continue the jewelry talk,

1 Peter 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5 For[size=14pt] after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves[/size], being in subjection unto their own husbands:

6 Even [size=14pt]as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord[/size]: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.


using a direct example of abraham and sarah, lets see maybe abraham saw jewelry as a sin;

Genesis 24:15-22

15 And it happened, before he had finished speaking, that behold, Rebekah, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham’s brother, came out with her pitcher on her shoulder. 16 [size=14pt]Now the young woman was very beautiful to behold,[/size]

when rebekah was said to be beatiful to behold, why would abraham send his servant with gifts including costly jewelries if wearing jewelry was a sin? read;

22 "So it was, when the camels had finished drinking, [size=14pt]that the man(abraham servant sent with various gifts) took a golden nose ring weighing half a shekel, and two bracelets for her wrists weighing ten shekels of gold",[/size]

having an accurate truth of the bible is very essential!

truthislight: None !

It is the bible you are using.

ok, but Ola will concort deceit in form of cartoon to play down bible teaching, when he wants to evade a question or see the truth coming, he will put a cartoon. how can one learn an accurate truth with such divertion?

benalvino: thank you oga frosbel... you confirm no one has seen the father... so lets see who people saw in the OT.
because the statement Jesus made as a strong one.

Please ponder the following Scriptures which prove that YHWH was heard in OT times:

Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again (Num. 11:25).
Did any people ever hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and live? (Dt. 4:33)

And you said: Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? (Dt. 5:24-26)

According to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die (Dt. 18:16).

Yet other Scriptures teach that YHWH was seen in OT times:
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30).
Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity. But on the nobles of the children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and they ate and drank (Ex. 24:9).

And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God!" (Judges 13:22).

So the LORD became angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned from the LORD God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice (1 Kings 11:9).

So I said: "Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts" (Isa. 6:5).

I speak with him face to face, Even plainly, and not in dark sayings; And he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses? (Num. 12:.

God was both seen and heard in OT times, yet by Jesus' authority it was not the Father! Who then was it? Consider also John 1:18:
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

but we know Jesus said before Abraham was I Am

benalvino

you were still adamant and im considering joining this page because of lies propagated here, wait for me and i will be back!

Any objection?

ATTENTION! ATTENTIO!! ATTENTION!!!

EVERYBODY LISTEN. I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THE WEDDING AUTHENTCALLY DID NOT TAKE PLACE INSIDE A DEEPER LIFE CHURCH AND THE GIRL WASNT WEARING EARRINGS.

SO PASTOR KUMUYI DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.

when i read this i was just laughing becase colin was under BULLY from Ola and co!

G,O not having control?

bride not wearing errings verbally without real : proof?

was buiding the church of God?

THESE QUESTIONS ARE BEGGING FOR ANSWERS!

Again one of the treats used to scare Collins into submission was that of Miriam murmur directed at Moses,

the issue was a different one, mirriam, Aaron and moses are of the same one family and the issue of moses marrying an ethiopian or Cushite woman which aaron and mirriam brother and sister to moses respectively were not satisfied with was personal! and besides, there was no law forbidden it,

Amos 9:7
“Are not you Israelites
the same to me as the Cushites[c]?”
declares the Lord.

“Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt,
the Philistines from Caphtor[d]
and the Arameans from Kir?

but it was later that through moses and other prophets the law prohibiting marrying outside the the jew came, and even at that, there was moderation in form of circumcision.


God was annoyed and punished miriam because moses had not sinned or displayed a double standard like KUMUYI! when there is no law, thereis no sin!

There was a church law prohibiting perming of hair and wearing of expensive cloth!


but in kumuyi's case, there was a double standard displayed!

[size=14pt]there was a law holding on overseers to be 'ABOVE REPROACH' 1tim 3:1 above[/size]



paul counseled peter publicly when peter withdrew from the new converts gentiles who are not circumcised, because that barrier; circumcision had been broken and nailed to the cross!

but some jew christian still insists until God himself drop holy spirit visibly in form of tongue each on 120 people including those who are not circumcised and they all speak in tongue before the matter of circumcision was laid to rest, this shows that God does not need literal circumcision but that circumcision of the mind;faith through jesus.

Colin Adua was in line and does not deserved to be scared by ola!

mirrian was not even cursed but punished and was later received back after 7 days!

Ola's using old scare gimics again exposed!

having a full knowledge of Gods word independent of Ola's 600 plus threads used to brainwash will free many

@Rhymeyjohn

have you ever read this below before? then consider reading and meditate,and imagine it, its not for decoration but real! emphasis on verse 7 first,

enjoy yourself;





1 Timothy 3:1-7

Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons

3 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 [size=18pt]Now the overseer is to be above reproach[/size], faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. [size=18pt]7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap[/size].

OLAADEGBU's reply to colin Adua

An old way to shout down true points from colins who have every right to question a perceived injustice! i want to briefly prove how ola coarsed this colin Adua into submission, but the points raised by colin is noteworthy.

having exposed ola on this thread as, https://www.nairaland.com/1362417/olaadegbu-soiling-deeper-life-reputation

its not personal, but Ola can be best described as 'a disgusting an a confusionist who misrepresents', he enjoys some acceptance among the ignorant ones because THEY SWALLOW anything he vomits without questioning! i can say with ola, you cant get any direct answer! HE EVADE QUESTIONS and CHANGING ISSUES!

many people who took him very serious now realised that many of the things he said were not duly verified the way i demostrated in the thread above

OLA's activity on the photoshoped pics on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1362417/olaadegbu-soiling-deeper-life-reputation

and his innability to produce another pics having closed the earlier thread he used as a defence makes him guilty of 'aiding and abetting crime' and 'theft of identity' in order to misrepresent,and criminally changing the look of the new mrs kumuyi to confuse the public as if she was not guilty with the G.O kumuyi and others as charged in the conspiracy.

here is how ola bulied COLINS into submission,bolded below

[quote author=OLAADEGBU]You are basing your emotional outbursts on hearsays which are not facts. The bride didn't wear earrings and the wedding did not take place in DLBC. If you don't have the full information surrounding the whole scenario why do you want to bring yourself under a curse like Mariam did?

having proven on this thread without opposing proof that the bride was wearing jewelryhttp://www.nairaland.com/1362417/olaadegbu-soiling-deeper-life-reputation/5
https://www.nairaland.com/1362417/olaadegbu-soiling-deeper-life-reputation


ola said that the wedding did not take place in deeper life church

now what is the church? is it the building blocks or the people? can anyone answer that? when paul wrote that 'the head of woman is man and head of church is christ, was he reffering to a mere building located somewhere with A.C and other stuff?

lets read this again to prove what constitutes church ;


1 Timothy 3

Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons

3 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.


14 Although I hope to come to you soon, [size=14pt]I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God,[/size] [size=16pt]the pillar and foundation of the truth[/size].


as you can see,"the pillar and foundation of the truth" is not the literal building that is temporary, but the people.

are we saying that the church members are not bound again by these above principles above in 1 timothy 3:1-7 immidiately they step 'outside the literal buiding of a church'? as OLA put the confussion to his members

that the G.O cease to be G.o, and all doctrinal obligation respected by members ceased after stepping out of the literal church building?

definately, the church is the assembly of people who profeesed their faith in christ, it could be anywhere,rented appartment, school, open fields,

note, where 2 or three are gathared the lord is........complete that

these important people are more than two or three so they constitute the deeperlife church,inside building or not here is irrelevant,

this is the deeper life church below

they say you CANT BE ROME THAN THE POPE;

Enjoy these below;

now lets see what is common among women of old; ....submisiveness and calling of ones husband and elders 'my lord'
this is what peter was alluding to in 1 peter 3:6; ..."6[b] Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord[/b]:

see a paralell below in sarah's son's wife who was also one of the good women of old; rebekah.

Genesis 24:15-22

15 And it happened, before he had finished speaking, that behold, Rebekah, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham’s brother, came out with her pitcher on her shoulder. 16 Now the young woman was very beautiful to behold, a virgin; no man had known her. And she went down to the well, filled her pitcher, and came up. 17 And the servant ran to meet her and said, “Please let me drink a little water from your pitcher.”

18 So she said, “Drink, my lord.” Then she quickly let her pitcher down to her hand, and gave him a drink. 19 And when she had finished giving him a drink, she said, “I will draw water for your camels also, until they have finished drinking.” 20 Then she quickly emptied her pitcher into the trough, ran back to the well to draw water, and drew for all his camels. 21 And the man, wondering at her, remained silent so as to know whether the Lord had made his journey prosperous or not.

22 So it was, when the camels had finished drinking, that the man(abraham servant sent with various gifts) [size=14pt]took a golden nose ring weighing half a shekel, and two bracelets for her wrists weighing ten shekels of gold,[/size]



"a golden nose ring weighing half a shekel, and two bracelets for her wrists weighing ten shekels of gold"... is noteworthy and a clear proof that Abraham and sarah refered to in 1 peter 3:5-6 STORED,POSSESED AND OWNED JEWELRIES as part of their property and so did not see jewelry as a sin!

note that Abraham is the only one ever called 'Gods friend' and will NOT do anything or store anything or posses anything against Gods wish!


so,i have PROVED ABOVE THAT; abraham,sarah and women of old reffered to in 1 peter 3:5-6 were not seeing putting on jewelry as a sin! but moderation in the usage, while their good attitudes superceeds that of the literal jewelry, the women of God should be reckoned with good deeds like sarah, rebekah and other women with good deeds.

can this be a lie?

second point of peter's example:

[size=14pt]2# Sara obeyed Abraham[/size]

did abraham think that having jewelry is a sin?

NO because he Abraham even posseses jewelries and even ask his servant(whom he sent to get a wife for his son) to load the animals with 'all kind of things' including jewelries and the servant did not only dress rebekah from the abundant jewelries but even dashed plenty to rebekah's brother and mother, read

Gen 24:2

2 He(abraham) said to the senior servant in his household, the one in charge of all that he had,

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master’s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor.

“Then I(the servant sent) put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms,
53, Then the servant brought out gold and silver jewelry and articles of clothing and gave them to Rebekah; he also gave costly gifts to her brother and to her mother.

did sarah reject the new bride who now was wearing the jewelries? noo, read:


Gen 24:67

"Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, [/b]and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death".


[size=14pt]so we can conclusively say that abraham and sarai approved of jewelries for their child's wife![/size]


any objection? this is just a clear demostration of rebutals to 1 peter 3:3-4 wrongly interpreted!

Tunisque:

I tried so hard to ignore your post but then i thought of many that might be led astray if i chose to be silent. Left to me alone, i don't have the time. Talking about adding to the scriptures, please have you ever read 1Tim2:9,10 and 1Peter3:3,4 and if you had never seen it before, here is it for you: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

above Tunisque quoted 1Peter3:3,4 (in bold)but failed to add verses 5 and 6, here is the ful quote again below;

1 Peter 3

King James Version (KJV)

1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well...................


let us expanciate on the further examples provided here by peter to butress what he talking about in 1 peter 3;3-6

1# after this manner in the old time the holy women adorned themselves
2# Sara obeyed Abraham

[size=14pt]1# after this manner in the old time the holy women adorned themselves[/size]

among the holy women in the bible was rebekah the mother of jacob known as ISREAL wife of isaac!

how we knew that she was a holy woman was the fact that she was chosen by God himself and was comfirmed by men of God

GEN 24:40,5-52;

[size12pt]‘The LORD, before whom I have walked faithfully, will send his angel with you and make your journey a success, so that you can get a wife for my son from my own clan and from my father’s family.
[/size]

50 Laban and Bethuel answered, “This is from the LORD; we can say nothing to you one way or the other. 51 Here is Rebekah; take her and go, and let her become the wife of your master’s son, as the LORD has directed.”
52 When Abraham’s servant heard what they said, he bowed down to the ground before the LORD.

Tunisque:

I tried so hard to ignore your post but then i thought of many that might be led astray if i chose to be silent. Left to me alone, i don't have the time. Talking about adding to the scriptures, please have you ever read 1Tim2:9,10 and 1Peter3:3,4 and if you had never seen it before, here is it for you: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

now lets annalyse, if wearing of jewelry here is a sin, then having any form of treasure IS A SIN!

read jesus words here;



mathew 6:19-20

19[size=14pt] “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth,[/size] where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and[b] where thieves do not break in and steal[/b].

but unortunately jesus was supervising where treasures (money) were beign stored, and even approve of a womans donation!

contradictory? read;

Mark 12:41-44
King James Version (KJV)
41 [size=14pt]And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury[/size]: and many that were rich cast in much.

42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury


now it is obvious that jesus was not against storing treasure, but moderation, and that the treasure (good works) should superceed the literal treasure; how do we know that? read

21 [size=14pt]For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also[/size].

Luke 16:13
"No one can serve two masters"

this statement does not mean outright ban on having money or treasure, but moderation!

enough pictures that shows double standard, wait for more

Rhymeyjohn

for the benefit of others on the forum, let me clear this accusation from you,

Rhymeyjohn: Its obvious that the op really has something to grind with pastor Kumyi. This is not an attempt to seek/know truth, or to question olaade..

it is very obvious that you did not read from the first page, go through the exhibits herein-attached earlier and tagged accordingly in samplesA, B(b1,b2) as 'claims' and the other one directed by olaa,(b1) which i exposed duly and the details of the photoshop activities on it, with an attempt to cover-up allegation leveled against the new mrs kumuyi wearing jewelry,transparent gown, permed hair etc.... an attempt that can be best described as 'identity theft' and suddenly after i exposed that, The tread containing the fraudulent-cover-up pics reffered to by ola was closed! to cover shame.

i ask ola and any deeper life member to produce a picture duly showing the bride's face including the ear showing that the bride is not wearing jewelry AND NOT MERE VERBAL DENIAL BUT PROOF WITH PICTURE(to be posted on this thread ) but they are only backslidding and dropping verbal denials which in a court of law holds no water!

if you have a picture to clarify this, you can paste it so that we observe it, but telling me to close the thread sounds like someone with too much attachment to a mere human kumuyi rather than exposing the truth and let the oppressed in that church have a breath of fresh air that at least someone air their feeling.

a deeper life member COLIN ADUA says this, and reffered vividly to one incidence that he experienced below;

Colin Adua: A bunch of over pampered kids!

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day

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can you see this further pics?

It has gotten to the point of slander and casting apersions on the person of Pastor Kumuyi.


This is not somthing a christian should not do to even an unbeliever, talkless of a fellow christian brother, worst still, a revered christian. I would advise the OP to stop it, and close the thread as it does not put both YOU and those you are accusing in any good light. The bible says LOVE works no ill (including writing dirty words) to his neighbour. For the sake of God, and his kingdom, seek peace(not anger), and pursue it. Be ye reconciled to God. Blessings

can you see that below is not a slander,

until proven otherwise, supply picture proofs here! but if you come with recitations from your church or insult, trust me you will hate the way i will wash you down

enjoy these double standard displyed below;

@ tunisque

Tunisque: I tried so hard to ignore your post but then i thought of many that might be led astray if i chose to be silent. Left to me alone, i don't have the time. Talking about adding to the scriptures, please have you ever read 1Tim2:9,10 and 1Peter3:3,4 and if you had never seen it before, here is it for you: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
And if you don't know, that was written by Apostle Paul and as if that's not enough Apostle Peter also emphasized here: Whose adorning, let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

I wouldn't be surprise if you come up with a different interpretation but the fact is 'the letter killeth but it is the Spirit that giveth life' let me say it differently 'the letter confuses but it is the Spirit illuminates'. The question is which spirit interprets the word to you? Is it the Holy Spirit? or another spirit? or the spirit of the antichrist? If it is the Holy Spirit, then you will realise that using of earrings and the likes is wrong. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ says He has many things to say to us but we can't bear them now(i.e at our initial stage of accepting Him as our Lord and Saviour) but when He (Holy Spirit- the Spirit of truth)is come,He will teach us many things. If the Holy Spirit has really worked on you, you will love God to the point that you wouldn't want to tamper with His design. What message are you passing across, are you saying He is not a perfect God? I can go on and on but let me leave you to Holy Spirit to do His perfect work. You think about what i've written and let the Spirit convict you. Stop hardening your heart. God Bless you.

hello sir

you should have quoted the whole context 1 peter 3:1-6 IF YOU ARE TO PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that wearing of jewelry is a sin

now here is the full context, but i will bold the parts that are of consideration if we are to conclude that wearing of jewelry is a sin

1 Peter 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

emphasis on verse 5 and 6, peter gave us an example of what he was saying,[size=14pt]after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves [/size]


[size=14pt]...........5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves[/size], being in subjection unto their own husbands:

6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement

now that a pattern is directed to by peter, he mentioned 1st

1# '[b]the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God adorned themselves'
2# a direct example of Abraham and sarah

did abraham and sarah view their sons wife whom GOD had chosen wearing jewelries as sin?

let Genesis 24 answers that[/b];
Genesis 24
24 Abraham was now very old, and the LORD had blessed him in every way
2 He said to the senior servant in his household, the one in charge of all that he had,

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master’s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor.
40 ‘The LORD, before whom I have walked faithfully, will send his angel with you and make your journey a success, so that you can get a wife for my son from my own clan and from my father’s family.
45 “Before I finished praying in my heart, Rebekah came out, with her jar on her shoulder. She went down to the spring and drew water, and I said to her, ‘Please give me a drink.’
46 “She quickly lowered her jar from her shoulder and said, ‘Drink, and I’ll water your camels too.’ So I drank, and she watered the camels also.
47 “I asked her, ‘Whose daughter are you?’
“She said, ‘The daughter of Bethuel son of Nahor, whom Milkah bore to him.’
“Then I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms, 48 and I bowed down and worshiped the LORD. I praised the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who had led me on the right road to get the granddaughter of my master’s brother for his son.
50 Laban and Bethuel answered, “This is from the LORD; we can say nothing to you one way or the other. 51 Here is Rebekah; take her and go, and let her become the wife of your master’s son, as the LORD has directed.”
52 When Abraham’s servant heard what they said, he bowed down to the ground before the LORD.
53 Then the servant brought out gold and silver jewelry and articles of clothing and gave them to Rebekah; he also gave costly gifts to her brother and to her mother.
67 Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death.

Image123: you turn this logos to rhema

Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than a fool bent on folly.

Again, you came into the thread like a loose goat(you know ileya goat,tied to a pole but luckily escape) and now looking for food desperately, thats what you are! had it been that you have come with a better argument or substantial proofs, nobody will stop you.

you would have come up with a picture proof here showing truly that the bride was not wearing errings, permed her hair, wore expensive clothes(1 pet 3:2-5)


you have none! abi, even the site you guys posted the photoshoped version was ordered closed after i detected the fraudulent act of photoshoping an image with an attempt to deceive the public into believing a picture with 3 additions; when a deeper life couple can afford limousine for their wedding, but other church member will be punished for that as too wordly, isn'nt it? my reffered proof are in the first page(SAMPLE B1) is fraudulent and 'theft of identity'.

and that kumuyi had played a clear double standard or deviate from his earlier shout using his favourite verses at times he will even cry on the pulpit, when he reads;

" Proverbs 22:28.”Remove not the ancient landmarks, which thy fathers have set.” 1 Peter 3, 3 and 4:”Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; “But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.”

Kumuyi has preached the above with fervency all his life. He even weeps on the altar at times when he talks of how the modern church has watered down the word of God.

what an irony, that the G.O, and other highly esteemed in the church were present in this shameful show below;

[quote author=truthislight]When is this Oladegbu going to address this issues sef ?

since he calls himself a "christian", does he not know that it Beholds on him to be free from accusations ?

Here we are with pictures he tendered as evidence being shown to be fraudulently manipulated and he goes about his normal business as though nothing has ever happened.

If you dont clear this picture reproach on you based on this picture you gave us as being genuine, why should someone ever take you as capable of giving out the truth in the future ?

Should we feed on lies as though it is normal ?

Smh.

@Oladegbu

come and clear yourself on this thread

he does not have any proof, so he need not comment, because ABSENCE of substancial proofs in the face of proven allegation facts on this tread has rendered olaadegbu and his disciples 'mute' and they have the right to remain so as anything uttred out now may be use to flog his BOM-BOM

OLAADEGBU: Before you begin to laugh try comparing the two pictures below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1330381/pastor-kumuyis-son-ties-knot/10#16415012

ON THIS thread;


https://www.nairaland.com/1350911/must-read-dust-raised-john/6

then after comparing the pics on the site olaadegbu supplied, and pointed out the photoshoped ingredients in the images, shame forced the DLCH to close the thread below, earlier reffered as their backbone and proof;

https://www.nairaland.com/1330381/pastor-kumuyis-son-ties-knot/10#16415012



deeper life church and their faithfuls have failed to produce a picture of kumuyi's wedding, showing that the bride did not wear errings,except speculating

the question is; how would kumuyi a G.O go for a wedding of such, and wanted to come and lie to the nigerian branch that there was no double standard? if not because of media and internet, faster than the plane kumuyi boarded, only for him to start defending until he offered to resign,

up media!

up fast internet!

down liar kumuyi!

down controversial double standard man kumuyi!


up till now, baba kumuyi and disciples were not able to produce authentic pics as proofs to exonerate them!

they(kumuyi and co) are guily as charged having FAILED TO PRODUCE COUNTER EVIDENCE!

no wonder ola was against the journalist of this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1350911/must-read-dust-raised-john/6


he blamed the media!


hhe tried to distract us with a crusade that UNDER FIRE pastor kumuyi was arranging,


this reminds me of the deceits in kumuyi's miracles,

can any one give me a name of an AMPUTATED PERSON ever healed by kumuyi? just one, lets investigate, and you will find lies.

the whole charade of DL what 'stage-managed' and fraud.


let me give names of healed people in the bible,

# daughter of jairus (death) but raised

# lazarus;dead

# Naman (leprous hands healed )

can we have names and adresses of those healed by kumuyi? if none provided with ease? then THEY ARE ALL FRAUD

[size=18pt]"Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of[b](if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic)[/b], listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation)"[/size]

[size=18pt]proof[/size];

OLAADEGBU

How sweet it was for Kumuyi to sing these often on the pulpit;

what an irony, that he practice otherwise

OLAADEGBU: You should rather spot the difference between the first year student and the final year student and see what the incessant strikes your country has done to you.

can you start adressing this double standards practiced in your falling church,

a deeperlife member colin adua, quote again;

[size=18pt]Colin Adua:

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.[/size]

can you see the wife of the G.O watching the perming on the brides hair, no report that it was seached, so why is the G.o's wife not doing her job to seach?

ola answer this one, the G.o's wife was looking directly at her hair, but hypocrisy could not allow her to do her job, look at the picture! enjoy the look!

Colin Adua:

ATTENTION! ATTENTIO!! ATTENTION!!!

EVERYBODY LISTEN. I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THE WEDDING AUTHENTCALLY DID NOT TAKE PLACE INSIDE A DEEPER LIFE CHURCH AND THE GIRL WASNT WEARING EARRINGS.

SO PASTOR KUMUYI DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.[/quote]when i was reading the quotes above, myface was beaming with laughter, because it was one of the desperate concuction huriedly put together by the deeper life church to save face.

this brings us to defining what constituted or reffered to 'in whole' as the church

but before then, are buildings decorated church? or the people who are faith faithfull
Ephesians 5:23

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as
: and he is the saviour of the body".

#above, is christ the husband of a buiding

the general overseer and his guests,....... kumuyi and his guest, so what? thats church co

Colins said that the general overseer is not having the any control over the wedding, but lets see what colins had earlier said about the control thing when he was in his right senses

colins:[size=14pt]as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.[/size]