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benalvino;

benalvino;You are trying too hard now you are beginning to look silly by your own effort.

yeah, im trying because all what im posting are my works, my convinctions, and my beliefs

but you stole another man's work(Erik Lutz, AiG–U.S.September 30, 2010), clean up his name, and present it as your work, isnt that silly? you copied whole nine paragraphs ..copy and paste without your own effort;

here is your post but you copied the colored from another man's work, haaabaaaa, walahi, lets compare word for word;

We have Gone pass this...
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

The Hebrew word for “Spirit” is often translated as “wind” or “breath” in the Old Testament. The same word is found in Psalm 33:6, where we again catch a glimpse of the Spirit’s work in creation: “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all the host of them by the breath [Spirit] of His mouth.”

The next verse of this psalm continues, “He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deep in storehouses” (Psalm 33:7). Certainly, this should remind us of how “the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters” in Genesis 1:2.

If we look closer at the word “hovering,” we find that it conveys the idea of a bird sitting in a nest, hovering and brooding over her eggs, caring for the new lives. The same word is used to describe how “an eagle stirs up its nest, [and] hovers over its young” in Deuteronomy 32:11.

What a beautiful picture of God preparing to bring life into the world through His Spirit! God designed all of creation for life—our life. “By His Spirit [God] adorned the heavens” (Job 26:13), and they were designed with us in mind:
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens . . . who formed the earth and made it . . . he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited! (Isaiah 45:18, ESV, emphasis added).

On this fascinating topic, we should also note that Scripture describes a similar “hovering” of the Holy Spirit in one of the greatest miracles of all time—the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ: “And the angel answered and said to [Mary], ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you’” (Luke 1:35).

Just as God worked through Jesus and the Holy Spirit to bring life into the dark, formless world at Creation, so also He now offers eternal life to any who repent and believe through the Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ (John 3:5, 6:63).

big idea: all three persons of the Trinity were involved in Creation—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Same Goes for redemption... They have always worked in harmony...

You are trying too hard now you are beginning to look silly by your own effort.

just see the link below where you stole that work (compare bolded part yours that above);

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/09/30/holy-spirit-involved-in-creation

How Was the Holy Spirit Involved in Creation?

Biblical Authority Devotional: Authority of the Spirit, Part 5
by Erik Lutz, AiG–U.S.September 30, 2010
Layman

author-erik-lutz authority-of-the-holy-spirit biblical-authority-devotional holy-spirit
[b]In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1–2)
Today’s big question: how was the Holy Spirit involved in Creation?
We have seen previously that Jesus Christ, the Son of God and second person of the Trinity, was involved with God the Father in the creation of everything (John 1:1–3). Now, in Genesis 1:2, we see that the “Spirit of God” was also involved in creation.
The Hebrew word for “Spirit” is often translated as “wind” or “breath” in the Old Testament. The same word is found in Psalm 33:6, where we again catch a glimpse of the Spirit’s work in creation: “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all the host of them by the breath [Spirit] of His mouth.”
The next verse of this psalm continues, “He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deep in storehouses” (Psalm 33:7). Certainly, this should remind us of how “the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters” in Genesis 1:2.
If we look closer at the word “hovering,” we find that it conveys the idea of a bird sitting in a nest, hovering and brooding over her eggs, caring for the new lives. The same word is used to describe how “an eagle stirs up its nest, [and] hovers over its young” in Deuteronomy 32:11.
What a beautiful picture of God preparing to bring life into the world through His Spirit! God designed all of creation for life—our life. “By His Spirit [God] adorned the heavens” (Job 26:13), and they were designed with us in mind:
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens . . . who formed the earth and made it . . . he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited! (Isaiah 45:18, ESV, emphasis added).
On this fascinating topic, we should also note that Scripture describes a similar “hovering” of the Holy Spirit in one of the greatest miracles of all time—the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ: “And the angel answered and said to [Mary], ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you’” (Luke 1:35).
Just as God worked through Jesus and the Holy Spirit to bring life into the dark, formless world at Creation, so also He now offers eternal life to any who repent and believe through the Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ (John 3:5, 6:63).
Today’s big idea: all three persons of the Trinity were involved in Creation—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit[/b].

when replying pls your effort is what counts, dont copy and paste another work not yours, but that will not stop me from giving a reply to it.

benalvino

benalvino:The bible says you and your wife becomes one flesh... Its not the trinity that's says it... Get your facts right.

good boy, if you and your wife [size=14pt]becomes[/size] one flesh, isnt that metaphorial? is it in essence? can you see that?

that is why paul is using a parallel analogy in 1 corinthians 11:3;
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God".

while God (father) and christ are NOT the one GOD, because psalm 83:18 stressed it that "thou alone" whose name is YHWH/JHVH is the most High.... not two, not three but ONE, okay?

Benalvino'

again, Mr teacher, you failed to provide proof that can knock-out the fact that psalms 83:18 affirm that [size=18pt]'thou alone'[/size] whose name is YHWH/JEHOVAH is the most high(my emphasis is on 'thou or you alone' a 'distinct and single individual' was YHWH/JEHOVAH).


now, you presented john 1:1 which says that;

in the beggining,'the word was with God, .....,

Benalvino:Go to John 1:1 and read... We have gone pass this... As I can see this is just a drawback... You can read the questions I gave to ijawkid and tell me why God lied according to your beliefs that 2 gods created the earth... God should not say he alone created if there is another god or angel that was beside him... Again we have gone pass this

if in the beggining according to your proof of john 1:1, before christ came to the earth, two entities were reported in this scenario of john 1:1, then;

where is the third person 'holy sirit' who is 'a person'(according to trinity doctrine)and also thought to be as important as the two, but was missing in your evidence?

based on your proof supplied in john 1:1,

you have failed to provide the third person who is also thought to be as important as the two, but was missing in the evidence you provided,

so, i must say that you are not qualified as a teacher, and im recommending you to go back to school, sorry maybe im just a smart student here, my reccomendation?,

you are fired!

benalvino

the trinity did not say the father is the son... it says the father and son is the one being that is God

if 'the father and son' two entities are the one being that is God, then the entities forming God should not have read 'you alone'

read again;

Darby Bible Translation
That they may know [size=18pt]that thou alone[/size], whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.

benalvino

im ready to tag your next post, where you will adjust and say [size=14pt]'in your first understanding' of trinity, 'it was the son and father that is the one God'[/size] but [size=14pt]later realised that the third person 'holy spirit' was among.....[/size] can you see how hard pressed you are now, its because the trinity doctrine is based on lies! anyway im waiting for the adjustment.

benalvino:

benalvino:as usual you are trying to put words in my mouth...
In my Post that you quote... I said "the New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ in ref to rev... and i also maintained that it is the church..."
you are trying to find fault but at the moment you are only making your self look desperate...
now from the quote above...and what has this changed really...

let me showed you what REALLY CHANGED AGAIN just on this page alone, again you code-switched back, im tagging your latest one now on this page as 1(#g)

you said

"benalvino:the New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ in ref to rev.

compare with your contradiction in tagged 1(#e) below;

benalvino:'The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city'

(CBB)Confussion Break Bones!

benalvino

mr teacher benalvino, let me help you fix this again in your affirmation; below you said;

benalvino;'the father and son is the one being that is God'

what of the third person,the holy spirit? are you saying that it is 'a dual conspiracy'? see your quote, tagged i

[ 1 (#f)]

the trinity did not say the father is the son... it says the father and son is the one being that is God... when you decide not to take this saying they you will start misquoting me... Now is still stand that the son is subordinate to the father...

benalvino;'the father and son is the one being that is God'

what of the holy spirit?

benalvino

an what is your point?

my point is that your trinity 'distorts' the bible concepts, it says that 'you and your wife are the same beign and entity in essence (not metaphorial but in reality)

benalvino

the trinity did not say the father is the son... it says the father and son is the one being that is God... when you decide not to take this saying they you will start misquoting me... Now is still stand that the son is subordinate to the father...

we are saying the same thing brother if we follow pauls analogy below until trinitarians added another 'clause' bolded above, we are saying the same thing that if the father and son is the one being then husband and wife are the same beign/person or entity;

but paul who is well versed in the law knew just what to use to express his analogy which the trinitarians distorted 'clause' above could not fit in; lets see a balanced view of individual analogy paul used;

1 corinthians 11:3

analysed like this, using the individual concept analogy;

[size=14pt]husband head of wife; (separate individuals beigns)[/size]

as

christ head of the church (separate individuals beigns )

as

God (father) is[b] the head of[/b] christ (separate individuals beigns)
[/size]

1 corinthians 11:3;
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

benalvino;

im dying with laughter all day long while going through your post full of BIG BIG contradictions which really exposes bare the kind of confused beign trinitarians are;

in page 23, just two post before this,(im tagging that post next as 1(#d) here is what you said about the 'new jerusalem' in affirmation; you said;'new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ... it is the church... new Jerusalem is the bride Okay and Jesus is the Groom'


see that 1(#d);

benalvino: new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ... it is the church... new Jerusalem is the bride Okay and Jesus is the Groom. you easily misunderstood that verse...

now, in your usual way of 'code-switching' you changed that outrightly on this particular page in your post im tagging 1(#e), that ;

'The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city'

see it 1(#e) ;

benalvino: At that time, all believers will inhabit the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called “the holy city” in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city.

can you see that the insect eating the vegetable is in no other place other than in the vegetable in itself, i have just proved vividly how you are the same insect confusing yourself,benalvino

i think that it is only gamblers that codeswitch the way you did, im not saying you are one but, know this God is not of confusion, okay?

benalvino:This should answer your question... read the verse and the explanation and dont try to draw me back...

now i know why you fear going back,and have exposed that, until you clear the air of this mess..

benalvino admit individuality of separate entities below:

Ephesians chapter 5:21-32 is a passage of scripture that compares the marital relationship of a man and a woman to that of Christ and the church. The important truth to remember about the church is that it is made of individuals. True religion is individual and personal. So when this comparison is made between Christ and the church it should be thought of first on an individual basis.

he cited pauls inspired comment but benalvino instead of seing what paul wants to prove chose to divert to holding an opinion saying that we 'church' married christ, instead of submission to christ, the way christ did to her husband,

the book of analysed like this, using the individual concept

husband head of wife

as

christ head the church

as

God (father) is the head of christ


1 corinthians 11:3;
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

striking a balanced individual relations,

only for benalvino to say that he is more knowlegeable than inspired apostle paul by saying,

husband and wife in relation to christ above, means that husband is the same person as the wife, this is because[b] he said christ is the same God that head himself, submit to himself, appoint himself,instructs himself........
[/b]

husband is the same person as the wife; heads himself, submit to himself, ,instructs himself......

[size=18pt]bible teaches one God 'God alone' [/size]

Psalm 83:18
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.

saiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it-- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.

having approached benalvino on his flaws above on page (23) he said this below in an embarrassing tone;

benalvino: lol forget about this bride thing I made a point with the groom and you people didn't see it.

yet our teacher benalvino who said this above claims that 'he has taught us' switch code to only the groom having failed to prove the 'bride' in 1(#a) in page 24,..................... wonders shall never end!

benalvino

claims below, but fears could not let him quote a bible verse to support this gamble below to prove the bride issue we are talking about;

[benalvino post 1(#b)]

Benalvino:How is it desperation? You dont understand the verse isn't it? We all know the holy one of Israel is Jesus... Let me help you.

Jarusalem is addresses as a woman seperated from her husband(the lord) will be restored and multiply and she will be reunited with her husband...

you really dont understand what I mean by church... Try and lookup church.

The widow is not a woman... What you see there is figurative. The thing is the Holy one of Israel is Jesus who is the redeemer who is called the God of the earth. That's my point

i pressed him further to back up with verses, then he relied on Revelation 21:1-2 below i will tag the verse below

[1(#c)];


King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

now lets compare benalvinos statement (1#b)above and the verse he relied on and supplied; Revelation 21:1-2

[1(#b)]

benalvino;Jarusalem is addresses as a woman seperated from her husband(the lord) will be restored and multiply and she will be reunited with her husband

and

[[1(#c)]

Revelation 21:1-2

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband


from these two statements,[1(#b)] and [1(#c)] above;

(1)if ([i]according to benalvino) Jarusalem is addresses as a woman seperated from her husband(the lord) which means the church (jerusalem) is not in the heaven with the husband, or

(2) if (according to benalvino) Jarusalem is addresses as a woman will be restored and multiply before she will be reunited with her husband, how come jerusalem which is (the church according to benalvino) will be[b] coming down out of heaven as a bride[/b], and the husband (lord) is in the same heaven?, already united in heaven.

see oga teacher's faulty teachings, can you see what you present to someone to learn? (fella kuti; teacher dont teach me nonesense) benalvino pls answer the questions above if you want to be taking seriously
[/i]

@ijawkid

Is benalvino running away from Jesus' clear definition of oneness in these verses??........

to his own detriment if he choose to run, you know he ignores direct fact, thats not a problem for me

but how can one celebrate that he prove from the bible when in bold letters he admitted in his own post i tagged

1(#a)that 'nowhere in the bible' say bride of christ?

@benalvino

benalvino;later you ask me to prove my claim with bible verses why we are the bride of Christ... and i showed you everything... Only for you to thank me... make some points...

do you even have shame at all? you claimed that you showed me a proof where we are called 'bride of christ'? i dont think so, infact let me showed you how;

1(#a), you failed woefully when you admit failure to proof in your own statement below;

benalvino:


Ephesians chapter 5:21-32 is a passage of scripture that compares the marital relationship of a man and a woman to that of Christ and the church. The important truth to remember about the church is that it is made of individuals. True religion is individual and personal. So when this comparison is made between Christ and the church it should be thought of first on an individual basis. Ephesians 5:21-32 says,
[b]“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”
[/b]

Isaiah chapter 61:10 says, “I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for He hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, He hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels”. And Isaiah chapter 62:5, “For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”


Ideally when we think of marriage we think of a story that is, “happily ever after.” This is true between God and any man who trusts in Christ. Just as there is great joy between a man and a woman when they have assurance of each other’s love the same is true between Christ and man. In Luke 15:7 Jesus said, “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.” It is most certain that God created marriage, love, and romance between a man and a woman to teach us some very wonderful and faith-strengthening truths about our relationship with God. This is why Ephesians 5:29 says, “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the lord the church.” The Lord nourisheth and cherisheth us. We are the children of God. We are the Bride of Christ. With great tender care and loving hands God the Almighty carefully guides us through this life, with all of its toils and snares, temptations and persecutions.

Bernimoor to be one with Christ means to marry Christ or to be the bride of Christ... that is why bible use marriage to demonstrate the relationship and love God have for us. when you marry your wife you become one with her... when you marry Jesus you become one with him.

Though bernimoor the word [size=18pt]bride of christ[/size] is not in the bible but the teaching is there.

To the church at Corinth Paul writes and exhorts them to hold fast the simplicity of Christ least they be deceived and led astray by Satan from their devotion to Jesus. Reminding them that he had delivered firsthand a message from Jesus of His marriage proposal to them saying, “For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin” (2 Cor 11:2). The message Paul preached to them was a marriage proposal of Christ to them. They were the bride of Christ.

In Jeremiah 31:31 God declared that His covenant was a marriage contract at Mount Sinai saying
“The time is coming,” declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, declares the LORD”

as you can See our relationship to Christ is like marriage... to be one with Christ you have to marry him...

can you see that you admitted in bolded above that the phrase 'bride of christ' in your own post above is not in the bible, which shows that you failed!

but rather you want to force your own unconfirmed opinion which is null and void because is not suppoted in the bible as you admit above,

pls cover your face with both hands now so that we clap for you for cellebrating failure as a victory!

im tagging this post as a refference 1(#a)

benalvino
distraction, but again let me clear this once more;

Am not attacking you and am not showing any sign of frustration.... bidam says things about you and i guess he says all that because he knows you better.... and he caught you trying to lie about your former ID saying its your brother when indeed it is you... and he made a statement that you changed it because you were exposed...

since you cannot even recognise the name of your own witness which he(bidam) denied ever making such claims in your case speaks volume of you!

i dont need to prove anything again, the onus, or burden is on YOU to prove what you said about my ID, im bernimoore and the burden lies on you to prove, anybody can say anything not substancial to be a proof, but YOU have to get your proof before making a statement, dont distract the fact that you failed to answer the fact that 'why do you attack by using insultive words' when you had earlier told someone to treat every attack like a salt grain, what an irony!

the first time i talk with you here was the time he lied that Ijawkid was not saying Jesus was an angel then from your own link you provided we showed you before bidam started making statements concerning your in sincere behavior and concerning you to be a lawyer...

can you 'benalvino post my statement in anywhere that i said 'that Ijawkid was not saying Jesus was an angel' pls im waiting for you to paste it directly here and if not you have just showed that you are distracting us.

you are mixing things up man, think of it, how can i provide a tread as a refference and then deny the content?

i can still remmember what i said; when i ask a question rhetorically and posing the question as an answer, i said 'jesus an archangel?' does the question mark deny the statement? man im surprised at you.

there is no need denying the fact that on the tread i paste, and having gone through the tread, jesus is not only 'an angel but also the archangel' with solid proof.

benalvino,

here i come again, throught the week i could only glance at the other treads that you created but realised that you have at least dump two other tread for this one, anyway,

you said bible is your dictionary, please quote the verse that says 'divine comes from only one source'

@JeSoul
and other moderators,

i wish to make a formal report of one 'itsfacts'(username of the accused) who enjoy breaking rules at will,and involve my username (without my consent) to create a named tread (https://www.nairaland.com/1343147/jehovahs-witness-ijawkid-teach-satan Is Holy & Divine ,.....Jehovahs Witness(ijawkid, Truthislight,bernimoore) Teach Satan Is Holy & Divine)on nairaland with a view to fan negative sentiment against my person so as to potray me in a bad light,and i want to say that i never direct any teaching whatsoever involving 'satan beign Holy & Divine' i only select a portion of one 'ijawkid's post on (pg 23 of this tread;https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first/23 "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness) that relates to my discussion with one benalvino,to the extent that i igree with ijawkid on rendering the word,'with God and same God' as paradox, and may i say that he itsfacts(the accused) that;

he is guilty of all and mostly bolded below; 2,3,8,9,13 and 14 below OF THE NAIRALAND POST RULES;

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3. Don't advocate or encourage violent actions against any person, tribe, race, or group of peopl[/b]e.
8. Don't[b] post false information on Nairaland.
9. Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g fraud, piracy, and spreading malware.
13. Please report any post or topic that violates the rules of Nairaland.
14. Please search the forum before creating a new thread on Nairaland.

itsfact created an account without refferences, and choose to make his references unanimous, see the body of his puported tread i was reporting;

itsfacts
I was going through a thread where [/b]some jehovah's witness claim Satan is a divine being.[b] I am not surprise because the jehovah's witnesses have always spread lies.
Same people claim Jesus is a FALSE god, same people claim we are same god as Jesus. Why should anyone listen to them? From their bible to what comes out from their mouth are full of lies.
Same people claim that Jesus is not important as our savior.
They claim other prophet are as important as our savior as Jesus.

Question!! Why should anyone want to be a witness with satanic teachings like this?

(Quote)

he got a result like this below from 'one italo' without asking me if im a j/witness or not, and that is 'misrepresentation'

italo:
Jehovah's Witnesses! Do you know how many times they have falsely prophesied the second coming of Jesus?

Last time, when the date passed and nobody saw Jesus, they lied that Jesus had already come and gone invisibly.

Jehovah's Witnesses!

after your verification, i demand that 'itsfact' should be given a strong warnings,never to ever used my username to create a tread, and in an event whereby he is stiiff necked or continues, i want him banned outrightly! I DEMAND THAT!

benalvino

why are you showing signs of frustration? you earlier replied someone to treat every attack like a grain of salt, why fall iin the same trap; bolded below

Now i know why bidam thinks you are a snake... lol I quoted some verse where Christ is Describing his relationship with us(church) as the relationship between man and wife... then you go back to something we discuss weeks ago that you didnt understand today i cleared it up for you u said thank you... now u went back posting your confusion again. lmao...
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Ephesians chapter 5:21-32 is a passage of scripture that compares the marital relationship of a man and a woman to that of Christ and the church. The important truth to remember about the church is that it is made of individuals. True religion is individual and personal. So when this comparison is made between Christ and the church it should be thought of first on an individual basis. Ephesians 5:21-32 says,
“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”


Isaiah chapter 61:10 says, “I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for He hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, He hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels”. And Isaiah chapter 62:5, “For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”


Ideally when we think of marriage we think of a story that is, “happily ever after.” This is true between God and any man who trusts in Christ. Just as there is great joy between a man and a woman when they have assurance of each other’s love the same is true between Christ and man. In Luke 15:7 Jesus said, “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.” It is most certain that God created marriage, love, and romance between a man and a woman to teach us some very wonderful and faith-strengthening truths about our relationship with God. This is why Ephesians 5:29 says, “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the lord the church.” The Lord nourisheth and cherisheth us. We are the children of God. We are the Bride of Christ. With great tender care and loving hands God the Almighty carefully guides us through this life, with all of its toils and snares, temptations and persecutions.

Bernimoor to be one with Christ means to marry Christ or to be the bride of Christ... that is why bible use marriage to demonstrate the relationship and love God have for us. when you marry your wife you become one with her... when you marry Jesus you become one with him.

Though bernimoor the word bride of christ is not in the bible but the teaching is there.

To the church at Corinth Paul writes and exhorts them to hold fast the simplicity of Christ least they be deceived and led astray by Satan from their devotion to Jesus. Reminding them that he had delivered firsthand a message from Jesus of His marriage proposal to them saying, “For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin” (2 Cor 11:2). The message Paul preached to them was a marriage proposal of Christ to them. They were the bride of Christ.

In Jeremiah 31:31 God declared that His covenant was a marriage contract at Mount Sinai saying
“The time is coming,” declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, declares the LORD”

as you can See our relationship to Christ is like marriage... to be one with Christ you have to marry him...

yet in oneness with christ, i proved these but you were 'mute', it pops on again:

(1) how we are one 'the same way he is one in the father and the father in him' thereby making 'us part of the union'
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john 17:20-23

Neither pray I for these alone,[size=14pt] but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us[/size]: that the world may believe that [size=14pt]you have sent me[/size].


(2)the Glory jesus gave to believers, and which jesus have shared with his father was also shared with the believers, and that rubbished the 'notion of proving equality of the son with the father' based on 'the glory i used to share with you' while in heaven

22And [size=14pt]the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one[/size]


so we are 'one in the same union of Father/son. "as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us"

benalvino

My point has been made... Trinitarians says same thing

no, there is no trinitarian that can put together verses THAT vindicated God as supreme. and not of confusion!

... The son is the 2nd and father is greater than the son... But the 2 are the one God.

empty assertion! and yet you cant prove anything, but LURK ON A TIGHT ROPE! lets go now!

I am happy U learn something

learn something! are you not even ashamed of yourself let me show you your failures;

you assert that;

in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

but in that revelation, there was no mention of 'church as the bride of CHRIST...it was the saint story that forced you into a corner!

see how confused you are! jesus was supposed to be coming as a groom from heaven to meet the bride(church) on earth, you quoted a verse that nailed you by describing the bride coming from heaven,

benalvino:Revelation 21:1-2
King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

see yourself confused here,yet claiming that you teach;

benalvino: because new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ... it is the church... new Jerusalem is the bride Okay and Jesus is the Groom. you easily misunderstood that verse...

We all know that Yahweh is the LORD of Host right?

can you see yourself not being open to your obvious mistakes,thats serious

you lack so many thing, as i have observed, but for the discussion to continue, and because of the onlookers, let me reserve some words

ijawkid

God bless you!

1...The bolded is a paradox......



You can't be greater than someone and still be an equal to that person....

Namadi sambo who is lesser than Goodluck can't be the one president with Goodluck....no way!!!!!


Jesus is greater than man....are we(man) the same with Jesus??....are we ONE JESUS??...do we make one JESUS??....

What you always fail to do is apply your thinking of husband and wife,the Father and Jesus to Jesus and man......you always forget or maybe intentionally avoid extending your analogy to Jesus and man.......

The next time you say the Father and Jesus are one GOD or make up one GOD be ready to agree that Jesus and man makes up one JESUS.......


The Father is greater than Jesus and remains the one GOD.....the scriptures is not crazy to maintain the truth that the Father remains the one GOD....he is GREATER than Jesus in every way........Jesus can't be the one GOD with the Father because he is lesser than the Father.......no wayo involved...



2...And as regards the word divine I said satan is Godlike in the sense that he came from God........

Satan is supernatural...

Satan is a spirit just like God....

You are misconstruing my statements and also avoiding the meanings of the word divine in its entirety....

Where do you think words like divination,diviners all stem from??.......

benalvino knew that he has boxed himself to a corner,yet blowing COLD and HOT describing the 'person' of God.

benalvino

benalvino :
Ephesians chapter 5:21-32 is a passage of scripture that compares the marital relationship of a man and a woman to that of Christ and the church. The important truth to remember about the church is that it is made of individuals. True religion is individual and personal. So when this comparison is made between Christ and the church it should be thought of first on an individual basis. Ephesians 5:21-32 says,

benalvino ;
Ephesians 5:21-32 says,
“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

Very Good, so you admitted that 'marrital relationship also spelt out who submit to whose Authority' in paul's analogy above(bolded), that is, a parallel is drawn between the relationship of 'a man and a woman' same way with the relationship of 'Christ and the church'

then, the relationship story continues as paul analysed, that same with Christ and God(father) as individuals, but the father is the head and greater ;

1 corinthians 11:3;
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ [size=14pt]is God[/size].

God(father) decreed the superiority of husband over the wife, and that the husband will rule over the wife, that is the husband under Gods arrangement takes decision, and so superior to the wife, while the wife subject to husband in all things(provided it does not break Gods rules).

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

that is why GOD exercised his power over christ, the same way a husband exercises his power over the wife, by appointing Christ over the church:


Ephesians 1:22(Niv)

And God placed all things under his feet and[b] appointed him to be head [/b]over everything for the church.

and as the church submit to christ, the way a wife submit to his husband 'in everything' so, christ has to submit to God(father) in everything. what a fitting way of showing the chemistry! at least you have chosen the relationship thing to describe your point!

Ephesians 5:24:

24Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands [size=14pt]in every thing[/size]. …

benalvino

We all know the holy one of Israel is Jesus... Let me help you.

who are the 'we'? proof NOW!

Jarusalem is addresses as a woman seperated from her husband(the lord) will be restored and multiply and she will be reunited with her husband...

back this upwith the scriptures, word for word

you really dont understand what I mean by church... Try and lookup church.

it was you that jump the gun, that is you did not proof a case before claiming it! see your earlier affirmation;

benalvino:
in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

benalvino

you said above that 'in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ' and now you later said that i 'really dont understand what you mean by church' do you apply a defination before defining it? that is where you are wrong!

until you prove it, okay!

The widow is not a woman... What you see there is figurative. The thing is the Holy one of Israel is Jesus who is the redeemer who is called the God of the earth. That's my point

BACK IT UP WITH SCRIPTURES, BROTHER!

@benalvino, can i call this desperation, im back from work now, lets get started!

benalvino

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For thy Maker is thine husband(groom); the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer(Jesus) the Holy One of Israel(Jesus); The God of the whole earth shall he be called

this is why I brought out the groom thing. I want to show you Guys who Jesus is. The father is also called the Lord of Host same with Jesus

sorry you brought in 'a barren woman's song' as a joker,church was not even mentioned,......pls, read the full verse,;

isaiah 54:1-4
“Sing, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
burst into song, shout for joy,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband,”
says the Lord.
2 “Enlarge the place of your tent,
stretch your tent curtains wide,
do not hold back;
lengthen your cords,
strengthen your stakes.
3 For you will spread out to the right and to the left;
your descendants will dispossess nations
and settle in their desolate cities.
4 “Do not be afraid; you will not be put to shame.
Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated.
You will forget the shame of your youth
and remember no more the reproach of your widowhood.
5 For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.

benalvino

My mistake has been corrected I said new Jerusalem is the bride. The church will be part of it

oh, the church is not part of the bride yet? but 'will be' then that is a futuristic event, and since the saints are the bride in heaven, and until the whole church of believers died and have to undergo the process of beign 'prepared and adorned' as a bride, the church on earth now cannot be called bride until they undergo that process in heaven, according to your assertion.

so we can conclusively say that the bride mentioned in the book of revelation quoted by you is not 'the church'

benalvino:in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

how we are one 'with christ'

(1) how we are one 'the same way he is one in the father and the father in him' thereby making 'us part of the union'


john 17:20-23

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.


(2)the Glory jesus gave to believers, and which jesus have shared with his father was also shared with the believers, and that rubbished the 'notion of proving equality of the son with the father' based on 'the glory i used to share with you' while in heaven

22And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one


so we are 'one in the same union of Father/son. "as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us"

comment on 1, and 2 above, since the bride and groom marriage is a future event.

im waiting for your response

lol forget about this bride thing

Admit your mistake brother, we are not going to celebrate as if we won, but the truth has to be told.

I made a point with the groom and you people didn't see it.

show me the point again, alluding it with the revelatin verses earlier quoted by you!

benalvino

you really dont get the point i was trying to make

then go ahead to establish your point, here is what you ask me below;

benalvino:in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

so what stops you to 'make your point clear'? re state your point, alluding it to your question above, and the revelation verses you quoted, im waiting

mean while,
do you really get my own point? you dont need to agree but it stands!

benalvino

lol is that not what I mean? what do you understand about the kingdom of God coming?

no! you are changing direction here to make-up, this is what you ask;

benalvino:in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

citing as your refferences these verses;

benalvino(Ephesians 5:25-27)
(2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24)
(Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).

Revelation 21:2 and 10.

i object the fact that in revelation verses cited above by you and which i later quoted, there was 'no mention of church' and faulted using the last cited verse of revelation 21:1-2 which really rubished the point you are about to make, you seem to aknowledge the error like this;

all the saint will be in it. the church is this world ok... the righteous saint will be in the new Jerusalem.

"all the saint will be in it"

are the saints in the church or kingdom?.

the church is this world ok

yes thats why the alledge bride cannot be the one 'coming out' of the heaven!

... the righteous saint will be in the new Jerusalem.

that is after ressurection, we are talking of the church,which is of this world,who is suppose to be the bride here awaiting a 'husband' coming out of heaven, but the bride seem to be the one coming out of heaven!

in all, you were unable to establish the 'identity of the bride/groom' beyond reasonable doubt

anyway the point I want to make has been made...

the Lord of Hosts is name of thy husband: 3 Ne. 22:5 . ( Isa. 54:5 . ) which is Jesus Christ

yet, the church is not mentioned in that verse, but before i treat that;

have you aknowledge the error of identity in the revelation verses you quoted? you have not been able to establish the point.
And back again to the last point of your original question, how can we be one with the lord,

benalvino[/b]:in revelation the church is described as the bride of Christ... how do you think we will be one with the lord?

christ answered this by himself, and not me;

he addressed two issues alongside;

(1) how we are one 'the same way he is one in the father and the father in him' thereby making 'us part of the union'


john 17:20-23

Neither pray I for these alone,[size=14pt] but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us[/size]: that the world may believe that [size=14pt]you have sent me[/size].


(2)the Glory jesus gave to believers, and which jesus have shared with his father was also shared with the believers, and that rubbished the 'notion of proving equality of the son with the father' based on 'the glory i used to share with you' while in heaven

22And [size=14pt]the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one[/size]


so we are 'one in the same union of Father/son. "as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us"


dont behave as if you are not seing this,you have right to accept or not, but i must point it out!

benalvino

because new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ... it is the church...

oga, im not speaking in latin, it is in English,

is the church which is the bride suppose to be coming from heaven? are we 'believers who are the church on earth' are also depicted as the one coming from heaven at the same time? see the verse you quoted again;

Revelation 21:1-2
King James Version (KJV)

"And I John saw the [size=14pt]holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride[/size] adorned for her husband".

[size=14pt]the new bride 'came out of heaven' but you are talking about jesus as the groom coming out of heaven, then we can conclude that 'based' on the evidence suplied by you brother benalvino, the church is supposed to be reffered to as 'here on earth',which hereinafter means that 'the church is NOT THE BRIDE' based on your evidence![/size]

new Jerusalem is the bride Okay and

new Jerusalem is 'a' bride in an event, not 'this'

Jesus is the Groom. you easily misunderstood that verse...

We all know that Yahweh is the LORD of Host right?

that is FORCEFULL! no proof to support that from your own quoted verses, stop that! or produce otherwise

benalvino
from your own quote;

So is Jesus the Groom coming for his bride?

Revelation 21:1-2
King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

if 'the bride' is the earthly church, and supposed to be expecting 'the groom ' from heaven, why is it that the supposed bride is the one coming from heaven to meet the groom?

cant you see that you are quoting a wrong scenario to suit your analogy ,null and void (ab-initio from the root!