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answer this question, @kay17[size=14pt] do you see 'an unrepentant sinner who feel that it is needless to seek redress and stop the sinfull act he engages worthy to lead Gods people as an exampler'?

pls answer that![/size]

Kay 17: If you had read my post carefully, you have addressed the difference between the two commandments. One is a command to love God and the other to love humans. Both are not conflicting and they apply to different objects: namely God and humans respectively. Neither are reductive or subordinate to the other.

bolded above, you said both commands are (a)"Neither are reductive or subordinate to the other"

but you have earlier said before that both commands (b) "apply harmoniously and complementarily".

you contradict yourself sir, explain what you mean by (a) and (b) above!

2. Jesus postulated two laws that replace rigid unjust Mosaic law, which are: Love God with all your might AND love your neighbour as yourself. Both commandments are not contradictory or conflicting and they apply harmoniously and complementarily.

again, you said below;

And sinners aren't to be segregated or condemned, rather Jesus interacted freely with these individuals with love, though not approving the sins.

[size=18pt]another lie![/size] [size=14pt]you are only using the undeserved grace of our lord jesus as an excuse for loose conduct,[/size]

granted, jesus primary mission is to call sinners to repentance;

Mark 2:17

17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous,[size=14pt] but sinners, to repentance[/size].

[size=14pt]but then jesus CONDEMED UNREPENTANT SINNERS[/size]

Matthew 7:23
New King James Version (NKJV)
[size=18pt]23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness[/size]!’

Pastor Kun: You will wait till Jesus comes before ola can produce those names.

the guy is a big time fraud! he silently promote lies! and was exposed on this thread,he could not deny the allegations with proof

ola is still yet to post the names and contacts of those healed in last month crusade of july 22

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]I've read so many Verses In the bible where Xtians are admonished not to consider Judging a Xtian brother, as Judging in this context literally mean 'condemnation'.

But that didnt stop the Bible from also Voicing out the need to Call a Spade a Spade.

The Pope Is not trying to act as 'Mr Religious' here, he's only trying to exonerate himself from the taunts that'd emanate when he rightly condem Homosexualism, as he'd be hampering some Human rights.

I've always thought a true Xtian as one who'd be measured In the fullness of Christ and I know too well that Christ made the right calls not minding if he was violating any human right - The Pope has to show he's a True fellower of Christ.[/color]

thank you for this piece!

nnatom: pls am tired with ur high level of illiteracy which affect ur level of understanding. Pls go read Matthew 7:1-5 And help ursef.

Matthew 7

New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Judging Others

7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2[b] For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you[/b]. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Nw can u fathom d wisdom of the Pope. Pls watch what u say so u won't bring condemnation upon ursef. May God help us.

good boy! [b]now verse 2 above told you what, that is if you must judge?

mathew 7:2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you"

now reconcile it again with what jesus mean below;



John 7
24[b] Stop judging by mere appearances,[size=14pt] but instead judge correctly[/size].”


can you see that jesus is not a confused boy like you, he will not say 'thou shall not judge at all, only to turn around and say 'judge again'

[size=14pt]but rather, if you must judge, then 'judge correctly' which i did![/size]

and for pope francis, he is a COWARD, he got skeleton in his cupboard! what he fears to do, other bold christians are doing it

nnatom

did you even know?

know what? you will ask

that;

as far as im concerned, there is no allegation leveled against me, and moreso im not a priest or an overseer, and if you have one,come here with it or forever SHUT UP!
[/b]

but there was a serious allegation agaisnt the catholic cardinal that contributed in the spreading of gay in catholic church

i have posted the offence and how Gods standard was compromise, you jumped it, because you hate the way im exposing it,

here is it again; in the world news wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

[size=18pt]For example, Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, said: "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, ............. rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."[/size]

[size=14pt]Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood. Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment.[/size]

but let us see how the holy scripture earlier warned of how to treat such cases;

[size=14pt]1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.[/size]

can you see a clear change of Gods written principles on treating an offence! cardinal roger was not acting according to the scripture but outside the scripture, and the result of this; only in the USA;

[size=14pt]BishopAccountability puts the figure at more than $3 billion in 2012[/size]. Addressing [size=14pt]"a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection. Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011[/size]

let me ask you this,

Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles whose advise cost 8 dioceese bankruptcy, in which church building were even sold to pay child abuse cases,

was he right to breach Gods standard by rotating offenders instead of removing them?

nnatom: see u are d one diaplayin a high level of illiteracy here. Tel me have u judged ursef correctly. Mumu, have u tell ursef d truth about d way u live ur life.

as far as im concerned, there is no allegation leveled against me, and moreso im not a priest or an overseer, and if you have one, come here with it or forever SHUT UP!

but there was a serious allegation agaisnt the catholic cardinal that contributed in the spreading of gay in catholic church

i have posted the offence and how Gods standard was compromise, you jumped it, because you hate the way im exposing it,

here is it again; in the world news wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

[size=18pt]For example, Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, said: "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, ............. rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."[/size]

[size=14pt]Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood. Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment.[/size]

but let us see how the holy scripture earlier warned of how to treat such cases;

[size=14pt]1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.[/size]

can you see a clear change of Gods written principles on treating an offence! cardinal roger was not acting according to the scripture but outside the scripture, and the result of this; only in the USA;

[size=14pt]BishopAccountability puts the figure at more than $3 billion in 2012[/size]. Addressing [size=14pt]"a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection. Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011[/size]

let me ask you this,

Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles whose advise cost 8 dioceese bankruptcy, in which church building were even sold to pay child abuse cases,

was he right to breach Gods standard by rotating offenders instead of removing them?

3. It is important to be truthfully to one's self and call a spade a spade. Both commandments are altruistic, they are commandments of love for others other than one's self. They are not selfish commandments and therefore altruistic. Altrusim is not a strange alien philosophy propounded by aliens. I'm simply calling a spade a spade.

it is a strange teaching and moreso a concept different from that of christ in its application, christians are warned
Colossians 2:8

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which[b] depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world [/b][size=14pt]rather than on Christ[/size].

4. The most important question is: are the civil and political rights of homosexuals be nullified? Are they entitled to the privileges and benefits of civil unions or marriages? Do they deserve a right to life and freedom of expression?

well, outside the christian church, as a christian im not in a position to answer that, if a practicing and unrepentant homosexual wants to get married and the community saw it as a harm on the psyche of the young ones, they can choose to administer caution in its spread

im only talking of in a christian setting, they should be punished with a view to change their life to conform with the normal life. or else, they risk Gods wrath!

.

Both commandments are not contradictory or conflicting and [size=18pt]they apply harmoniously and complementarily[/size].

However they are directed to different persons, the first commandment is to God and the other to fellow humans. As to the question of homosexuality, the second commandment applies, because it relates to humans. And it overrides all Mosaic laws including the "An Eye for an Eye" rule.

you agreed above that both commandments apply harmoniously,that is in agreement

but yet,[size=14pt] you striped the first commandment of completely when it comes to the application to humans, and yet you claimed that they apply harmoniously[/size]thats serious!, is that not double standard from you blowing cold and hot at the same time so as to avoid the truth?

lets see how the command relates to each other, but the first command is the overiding command, you have read it before but see it again;

mark 12:29-31,

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

of which the second is dependent

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.




if we are to love God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind and with all our strength

then HOW DO WE LOVE GOD THAT WE DO NOT SEE?

below shed more light on that;

[size=14pt]Psalm 97:10


10 Let those who love the Lord. hate evil,[/size]

for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
[/size]

romans 1:32

.........[size=14pt]that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.[/size]



even they will be judged according to their homosexual act

(Rev 20:12).

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. [size=14pt]The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books[/size]

nnatom: see u are d one diaplayin a high level of illiteracy here. Tel me have u judged ursef correctly. Mumu, have u tell ursef d truth about d way u live ur life.

your tune have changed suddenly!

before you were singing 'thou shall not judge at all' but having showed you verses that we can judge above, you tuned to 'judging correctly' you are learning,isn'nt it?

1. Jesus had through the Gospels stood against Mosaic laws; he rescued the prostitute condemned to death by stoning, by stating they were not sinless and therefore[b] had no standing to condemn others for sins they were vulnerable to. Note that Jesus treated all sins as of the same nature and substance[/b]

[size=14pt]lie! you are lying here, stop it! if you must refer to any biblical incidence, pls quote the verses, it will restrict you not to add your own 'additions that twists'[/size]

lets see the incident;

Using the KJV this time, in John 8:1 - 11 scribes and Pharisees had caught a woman in the act of adultery (the woman commonly referred to as the prostitute) and told Jesus who was teaching in the temple that the Mosaic Law required she be stoned to death. Trying to make an opportunity of this to trick Jesus that they might accuse Him, they, with stones in hand, asked Jesus what He says about the Law. After Jesus tried to ignore their repeated questioning, He told them "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." One by one each man dropped his stone and walked away.

jesus was not arguing with the judgment. Nor was Jesus arguing the law nor the woman's guilt. Jesus was arguing with our right to execute the woman. Once all the men had dropped their stones Jesus confronted the woman and asked her if any of the men were still there to condemn her. When she answered "No man, Lord", Jesus told her that neither did He - He forgave her of her sin. He did not excuse the sin of adultery/prostitution, he forgave her of it.[/b]

All behavior and thought that is sinful before forgiveness is still sinful after forgiveness. Not only was Jesus not afraid to call a sin a sin, He was not afraid to call a sinner a sinner[b]. He even reminded her of the sin of adultery/prostitution by telling her "Go and sin no more."[/b]

we can judge, but righfully
John 7
24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”

So dnt judge, instead show sinners d way to Christ and also pray for them.

your problem is illiteracy as i have noted, you fight the truth but we have to say it, did you read this in my post yet you ignore;

bernimoore:I want to state clearly that[size=18pt] UNLESS A PERSON WHO IS A GAY STOPS PRACTICING THE BAD ACT, he is only awaiting Gods wrath, again, you cannot be practicing a homosexual continously and SAYS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING GODS FAVOR[/size]

,

if saying the truth means condemn in your own language LET IT BE,

but as to the issue of judge not, here is what jesus said

i have judge correctly by saying above that 'if a gay stops practicing'

im still in line brother, read;

John 7
24 Stop judging by mere appearances, [size=18pt]but instead judge correctly[/size].”


truth can be very painfull

Kay 17: I thoroughly read through your post and I intend to expose your errors.

1. Jesus had through the Gospels stood against Mosaic laws; he rescued the prostitute condemned to death by stoning, by stating they were not sinless and therefore had no standing to condemn others for sins they were vulnerable to. Note that Jesus treated all sins as of the same nature and substance.

2. Jesus postulated two laws that replace rigid unjust Mosaic law, which are: Love God with all your might AND love your neighbour as yourself. Both commandments are not contradictory or conflicting and they apply harmoniously and complementarily.

However they are directed to different persons, the first commandment is to God and the other to fellow humans. As to the question of homosexuality, the second commandment applies, because it relates to humans. And it overrides all Mosaic laws including the "An Eye for an Eye" rule.

3. It is important to be truthfully to one's self and call a spade a spade. Both commandments are altruistic, they are commandments of love for others other than one's self. They are not selfish commandments and therefore altruistic. Altrusim is not a strange alien philosophy propounded by aliens. I'm simply calling a spade a spade.

4. The most important question is: are the civil and political rights of homosexuals be nullified? Are they entitled to the privileges and benefits of civil unions or marriages? Do they deserve a right to life and freedom of expression?

empty post, no bible verse stated, all your assertions were criminally alligned to by only picking portions in the bible and DISTORT.

it is evident in your post that you dont take bible very seriously, as i have said at the end o my first post that; i want to say it is not compulsory for the hard heartened ones (like you) to accept this, but it is neccesary to be exposed

here is what paul says to people like you who have already made up their mind in the face of abundant evidences;

2 Timothy 4:3
[size=18pt]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled[/size], they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

1 Timothy 1:10
[size=18pt]for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality[/size], for slave traders and liars and perjurers--[size=18pt]and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine[/size]


plenty bible verses directed to "those practicing" homosexual 'a continous tense'

we are to rebuke them so as to be sound in faith

OLA was talking about mrs kumuyi beign seen in the heaven,

at times you want to verify this claims truthfully but,they keep the whole hidden details[b] only to realised that what they say is not different from when someone sleeps and found him or herself in a seeming heaven with mansions,[/b] only to wake up an realsed it wasnt real, but OLA will just go ahead to create a page for that!

nnatom

Do you know that you are even in a danger of Gods wrath for suporting the homosexuals?

read below; no talk say you no see am o, but na you no gree! (romans 1:32 below)

but lets treat this truth


[size=14pt]now comes where the truth is beign DRIBBLED LIKE FOOTBALL,

ME I WILL HAMMER THE TRUTH[/size],

it has been often said by some shameless so called christians homo apologists that 'hate the act and not the person'

I want to state clearly that UNLESS A PERSON WHO IS A GAY STOPS PRACTICING THE BAD ACT, he is only awaiting Gods wrath, [size=14pt]again, you cannot be practicing a homosexual continously and SAYS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING GODS FAVOR,
[/size]
i state Categorically here without any form of regret whatsoever that IT IS A LIE, you have to exercise your faith WITH WORKS.

[size=14pt]Again if we are to 'hate the act and not the person' then bible is a liar! [/size] but[size=14pt] not only those who practice the homosexual, but those who approve those people are in great danger of Gods wrath[/size], lets read it together, i believe that some will not cut this page out after reading!

Romans 1:27-32


27 Likewise also the [size=18pt]men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.[/size]

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness,[size=18pt] sexual immorality[/size], wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[b] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, [size=28pt]that those who practice such things are deserving of death[/size],[size=28pt] not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.[/size][size=28pt]gbam!!!
[/size]

Again if you have been infected with the virus below;

'hate the act and not the person'

kindly read who will be accountable for those acts maybe the person will be judged separately from his acts or not

(Rev 20:12).
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. [size=18pt]The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books[/size]

furumites;

i may have sound very hard, its not me, these has been penned down for more than 2000 yrs, for our benefits, it will be a sin for me to hide this from you and follow the of the so called pope francis, with good conscience, i want t say it is not compulsory for the hard heartened one to accept this, but it is neccesary to be exposed

i cant stop laughing reading your rage below

what is dat u post up dere,dis is d greatest height of ignorance and confusion. I see u have nothing in ya brain,sorry o.

what is "in ya brain"? code mixing! its supposed to be "in your" ....

Again if you have been infected with the virus that says;'hate the act and not the person'

kindly read who will be accountable for those acts maybe the person will be judged separately from his acts or not

(Rev 20:12).
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. [size=18pt]The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books[/size]

furumites;

i may have sound very hard, its not me, these has been penned down for more than 2000 yrs, for our benefits, it will be a sin for me to hide this from you and follow the of the so called pope francis, with good conscience, i want t say it is not compulsory for the hard heartened one to accept this, but it is neccesary to be exposed

any objection?

secondly,

you accepted the command below as the supreme command,


mark 12:29-31,

[size=14pt]30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[/size]

of which the second is dependent

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.

now, lets start from the first supreme command

[size=14pt]30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[/size][/color]

we are to love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength

then HOW DO WE LOVE GOD THAT WE DO NOT SEE?

below shed more light on that;

Psalm 97:10


[size=18pt]10 Let those who love the Lord. hate evil,[/size]
for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.



[size=14pt]now comes where the truth is beign DRIBBLED LIKE FOOTBALL,

ME I WILL HAMMER THE TRUTH[/size],

it has been often said by some shameless so called christians homo apologists that 'hate the act and not the person'

I want to state clearly that UNLESS A PERSON WHO IS A GAY STOPS PRACTICING THE BAD ACT, he is only awaiting Gods wrath, [size=14pt]again, you cannot be practicing a homosexual continously and SAYS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING GODS FAVOR,
[/size]
i state Categorically here without any form of regret whatsoever that IT IS A LIE, you have to exercise your faith WITH WORKS.

[size=14pt]Again if we are to 'hate the act and not the person' then bible is a liar! [/size] but[size=14pt] not only those who practice the homosexual, but those who approve those people are in great danger of Gods wrath[/size], lets read it together, i believe that some will not cut this page out after reading!

Romans 1:27-32


27 Likewise also the [size=18pt]men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.[/size]

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness,[size=18pt] sexual immorality[/size], wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[b] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, [size=28pt]that those who practice such things are deserving of death[/size],[size=28pt] not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.[/size][size=28pt]gbam!!!
[/size]

kay17

Love your neighbour as your self. In other words altruism. If altruism is the only morality in Christianity, then is condemning and depriving homosexuals civil and political rights altruistic??. In other words altruism. If altruism is the only morality in Christianity, then is condemning and depriving homosexuals civil and political rights altruistic??

another grievious mistake you are making here is that you tried to amalgamate the concepts of the 'second command'..."Love your neighbour as your self as altruism. a philosophical concept, now listen, the terms and conditions that altruism concept was derived may be similar to the 'second command' above but are NOT the same.

while altruism may entertain no strict conditions for its applications, its NOT the same with jesus "second command" which states that 'Love your neighbour as your self'

why?

the first line of not compactibility is first on the grounds of strict christian faith, which does not join issues with philosophical concepts, sorry, you may speculate that the second command is same as altruism but NO! it will be hard pressed for you to even find the word a-l-t-r-u-i-s-m in the bible! it may sound somehow but that is the truth!

we have greek philosophers around apostle paul then, but see what paul just has to say about these philosophical concepts as 'EMPTY'

Colossians 2:8

[size=14pt]See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ[/size].


can you see the difference struck here.... "human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world" "rather than on Christ"

compare what you considered below ahead of christ

kay 17: then is condemning and depriving homosexuals[b] civil and political rights[/b]

Kay 17: ^^
You must be new on Nairaland/Religion. However I will find a biblical overriding passage over all others:

Love your neighbour as your self. In other words altruism. If altruism is the only morality in Christianity, then is condemning and depriving homosexuals civil and political rights altruistic??

you claim to produce a biblical overriding passage over all others but actually produced a 'second command dependent on the first and supreme command' maybe thats why you cant quote the bible verse, and worse still you still went ahead and mention the content, but let me show your failure;

mark 12:29-31,

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30[size=14pt] Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.[/size]’[size=18pt] 31 The second is this[/size]: [size=14pt]‘Love your neighbor as yourself[/size].

[size=14pt]now rate yourself, as an old Nairalander/Religion user

you lied![/size]

1st lie exposed! tagged (1*A) by substituting the second command by jesus as the first, and trying to water down Gods clear command!

can olaadegbu tell us why kumuyi cannot fix amputated wrist?

nnatom: i see u are following d literal meaning of d words in d bible. The message in d bible is nt one of ur english comprehension. When a person slaps u at ur right cheek do u turn d left for him to do d same.
Note dis saying, he without sin let him cast d first stone.
So condemn d act nt d person, rather show him d light cos if God is to condemn us by all we do, who do think will survive a day? No body, even our so called pastors will nt.
Pls stop displayin ur shallow knowledge of d bible.
And i say to u again, dnt judge so u won't b judged. Put dat into ur thick skull.

empty rage

who is stopping you from displaying a superior knowledge? you cannot even quote a bible verse, you fight the truth in the bible, then why carrying the bible?

hear what jesus told pharisees who are just like your confused pope francis;
mathew 15:3

3 Jesus replied, [size=18pt]“And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?[/size] 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. [size=18pt]Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. [/size]

Kay 17: 1. You fail to properly define what really is "natural". You leave doubt as to whether what is natural is what's common or what is consequentially possible. If a penis fits into a palm, and as a consequence the reward of pleasure is derived, then masturbation can be said to be natural. On the other hand, if what's natural is whatever is common, then we are faced with denying as natural relationships btw causes and effects which are rare.

2. Assuming we agree on what is natural, then we should be aware that whatever is natural is not necessarily moral. The standards of morality is distinct from that of Nature. The fact that we walk, does not imply that walking is moral and anything contrary to that is immoral. So to trace the natural by virtue of being natural to morals is absurd.

3. It is not everything that is natural that is beneficial. Predators in the wild, viruses being natural are not beneficial to our survival.

My conclusion: even if homosexuality is unnatural (which I don't concede to), it is not immoral by virtue of that.

it is obvious that you cannot even allude your points to ANY bible verses? so it renders your points invalid null void and of no use, you opinions here are like a virus, the harm is just same like virus, if you want us to talk, bring forth or allude your points to the bible, or else, your claims are empty

have i even agreed a common ground with you? your empty philosophies are exposed in the bible that is why you fear using any part of the bible, it is a shame on you

nnatom: sorry to say my brother, u are retarded. Stop mis quoting d bible pls so u wnt bring judgement upon ursef. U have committed more dan one of those sins listed there, has any one judged u.

kindly show where i have misquoted the bible, it was written in english that you understand not latin,

you hate the truth but read again

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 [size=18pt]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God[/size]? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,[size=18pt] nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,[/size] 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners [size=18pt]will inherit the kingdom of God".
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or this again by the same apostle paul:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you that [size=18pt]you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral[/size] or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. [size=18pt]Do not even eat with such people.
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can you see that?

Are u telling me that, if a homo repent,he will still b condemned.

no, you jumped my post on that on page 7, here is it, sorry you are annoyed, scroll back pls

bernimoore:
where is faith in God? does it mean that with faith in God a homosexual cannot change if he or she recognise that it is wrong? repent and put measures to stop that ungodly act, ask for Gods favor coupled with seasoned prayers?

some were able to break loose from that before, homosexual is not new, in the corinthians church, many were like that before, but they put effort to stop it and were washed clean! sactified and were declared justified;
1 corinthians 6:

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, [b]nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

U pple should watch wat u say,so u won't bring judgement upon ursef

which judgement are you talking about, you are just reciting concortions that you swallowed from your priests, intead of facing the truth

i rely on this bible verse and stand to rebuke those attrocities with clean conscience, so save me you 'dont judge noise'

read
titus 1:7-13

7 [size=18pt]For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God,[/size] not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.



10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 [size=18pt]This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,[/size]

masonkz: How many gay people have you actually had a talk with to arrive at this?

i insist again, NO MAN IS BORN WITH NATURAL TENDENCY TOWARDS A MAN LIKE HIM,

but there exist a strong sexual feeling in human that only needs a confirmation, and it swearve towards the first touch of confirmation, cant you learn frm animals? how many male dogs have intercouse with each other or goats? but in human, it was altered at the early stage, ....a compromise

see one of numerous cases i have seen, in this case, i have discussion with this person, i dont mention names pls, its on nairaland and the post is been closed.but i happen to save it before it was closed and hidden;

Date: Thursday, 24 January 2013 at 06:48 PM

Am A Guy Having Feelings For Men. Help! - Religion - Nairaland


Its probably gonna shock you that my dad is the senoir pastor of a fast growing new generation church in nigeria.i have fasted,prayed,done personal delivrance but i cant restrain the feelings.i hate to admit it, but i still Be Intimate with men.worse of all am in a relationship with one of my dad's assistant pastor.sometimes i feel like ending it all.i posted this in the religious section because i believe in Jesus and the bible as solution to my problem..perharps there is something am not seeing or maybe there's a new "rhema' i need to break this bondage.. I need your contributions

[b]My dad's assistant is my first and only gay lover it all started when we went for a crusade in south africa organized by our church.[/b]we(the evangelistic team) whic he's part off,used to stay in a hotel booked by the churches hosting us.so i was paired with his assistant to stay in the same room.on the second nite after the crusade dat day, i noticed he was talking about sex n sex..during the middle of the nite he was touching..strangely i was liking it and.,BAM!! Dat was it! It even continued after the crusade

can you see the bolded above, thats the trigger, and the inclination was altered towards men!

Patsey: [size=14pt]It's often said that Nigeria is one of the most religious countries on the planet earth. I insist that Nigeria is one of the most hypocritical countries in the world. If in deed, Nigerians-be it Muslims, Christians, New Age, Animists, etc-are truly religious as they purport, it's either they are suffering self-delusion or their God is deaf and dead. Nigeria is in such a mess that rather than tackle the problems head on, using our intellect and resources, we resign everything to some unverifiable deities. The vast majority of church and mosque leaders as well as animist priests and priestesses are FRAUDSTERS! Congregants do not fare better, frivolously engaging in vices. These leave me with a crucially important question: IF NIGERIANS ARE TRULY GODLY, WHY IS THE COUNTRY IN THIS TERRIBLE MESS?
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see the answer below,

1, people go church for selfish reasons; they want miracle, in financial form, so they fall snare of false prophets using divinations to extort them when they hear 'in jesus name' they believe the prophets are from God, but jesus says the prophets are lawless people!

2, people rush there is crowd, but fail to decide wheather they practice the real love jesus talked about as an identifying mark,

read bolded;

matthew 7:13-

13 [size=14pt]“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it[/size]. 14 Because[a] [size=14pt]narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.[/size]

15[size=18pt] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits.[/size] Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18[size=14pt] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.[/size] 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

21 [size=14pt]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’[/size]

Ezegozie: hahahahahahahahah

you know, i decided to quit commenting but the humourous nature of ur comments pulled me back to this thread hahahahahhaa.

From your stories and quotations, it seems that you are a church GOER and not a CHRISTIAN though i shouldn't be judging.

But from all indication it seems you regard catholics as people destined for hell and pentecostals destined for heaven.

im not a pentecostal! but a bible student,yes with legal experience,not a practicing lawyer,but will hold on to the truth !

im talking from proofs available and can be shared. in the site below;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

For example, Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, said:[size=18pt] "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, ............. rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."[/size]

[size=14pt]Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood. Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment[/size].

but let us see how the holy scripture earlier warned of how to treat such cases;

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you [size=18pt]that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral[/size] or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. [size=18pt]Do not even eat with such people.[/size]

can you see a clear change of Gods written principles on treating an offence! cardinal roger was not acting according to the scripture but outside the scripture, and the result of this; only in the USA;

BishopAccountability puts the figure at more than [size=14pt]$3 billion in 2012. Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection. Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011[/size]

note other continents hugely affected too!

can you aknowledge the violation of Gods word by the cardinal?

Now let me ask you a simple question

IF A MAN IS BORN A HOMOSEXUAL BUT DIDN'T PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE HE IS A REAL XTIAN AND EVENTUALLY DIES A RIGHTEOUS MAN WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE DELIVERED OF HIS ABNORMAL S.EXUAL ORIENTATION;

[size=14pt]i repeat again, no man is born a homosexual! they are influenced from the youth, and that is the crime of 'rotating guilty priests' has caused, most of the children abused were affected psycologically by the priests, and the youths sexual inclination was tampered with, had it been that their parents were aware of the dangers posed by priests who were supposed to be respected but turned out to be and agent perpetrating and spreading criminal tendencies that encapsulate the whole catholic like a PLAGUE and that is why this is rampant among the catholics, that is what i was pointing at, that they would have dealt with it the way scripture directed, and hand them over to the police or the authority, thereby the catholic church would have been exonerated![/size]

WILL HE ENTER HEAVEN OR HELL?

Pls i am waiting patiently for your answer

i dont believe in hell fire, or purgatory! they are not bible teachings, hell means sheol/hades/grave but purgatory never exist even as a word in the bible!

so dont turn this to protestant/pentecostal vs catholic

Gods standard were compromised as proven above true or false?

Kay 17: First of all, what "constructed" the male and female parts for intercourse and to what purpose? Reproduction or Pleasure?

Atheists kind of question!

the catholics believed that st peter is the first pope,

then see what peter had to say which pope francis have failed woefully to do,

2 Peter 2:6-7
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction,[size=28pt] making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly[/size]; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked

keep hardening your heart;

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [size=28pt]homosexuals, nor sodomites[/size], 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners [size=28pt]will inherit the kingdom of God"[/size].

can a good tree produce a bad fruit?

can a good tree produce a bad fruit?