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John 1:1-4
New King James Version (NKJV)


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2[b] He was in the beginning with God[/b].

verse 2 above destroys the argument that jesus (word) is the same God! because you cant be with a person and also the same person there is no denial that jesus is a mighty God, but not the Almighty God, the house of David too is like GOD, i dont mean god, but God so if you are making a case for the uppercase or lowercase, here is it

Zechariah 12:8
in that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them




3 "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

through the word, all things were made, as you can see, God directs things to be made through the word, if not for a relationship between a superior and the less here, the word through will not be used

@benalvino

If Jesus is a creature he is a thing and the bible made it clear not a single thing came into existence without the word. The thing is if he is a creature then he came into existence without him...

i have destroyed the argument above, using 1 Corinthians 15:27;

For[b] he (God) "has put everything under his (christ) feet[/b]." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him (christ), it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

# if God himself, who put everything under Christ is not included, in 'everything' mentioned in that context,cant you see that God is greater and separate from christ in the sense that God can exercise his power on christ, while christ cannot exercise his power on God, God is EXCLUDED!

the same thing goes for Colossians 1:15-17

King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
'All things' as used in colossians above does not mean absolutely that there are no exceptions, definately there must be exceptions if we allude the way that the word, everything and 'all things' are used in these passage to that of 1 cor 28 above, we need to reconcile not part of the bible,but the whole truth that flows in it.
and
can you honestly see that?

Rev 3:14 you can't keep it on its own... Some bible renders ruler some render beginning from same Greek word from ur bible it renders government. That verse means he is chief(ruler) of the creations of God.

sorry, we cant chose to use ruler [/i]or [i]chief here, because the case of the romans and luke 20:20 are different besides, the greek word ar-khay has wide varieties of options as i have posted them above it begins with G746-G756 in the lexicon, so as you can see we have passed the issue of sticking to a particular bible not even NWT but raw usage of the greek words(used in the original manuscript) now we can now honestly connect the meaning that suites the passage without contradiction.

@benalvino lets deal with this above, so that we progress through all your write ups, i hope you can defend them, oya

@ benalvino

we read the bible, the bible is very clear when God create something, the word “Created” is used…
In revelation 3:14 NWT
14“And to the angel of the congregation in La‧o‧di‧ce′a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,"

They will try to tell you that Jesus is created, Now I can’t seem to find the word “created” in this verse, I guess the Word beginning must mean created that Jesus had a beginning.

you mean that you can’t seem to find the word “created” in this verse

okay, you mean that you breezed through the whole verse and could not find the greek meanings to the last words 'of the creation by God' see the greek renderings of 'creation':

2937. ktisis, ktis'-is; from G2936; original formation (prop. the act; by impl. the thing, lit. or fig.):--building, creation, [size=14pt]creature,[/size] ordinance.

2936. ktizo, ktid'-zo; prob. akin to G2932 (through the idea of the proprietorship of the manufacturer); to fabricate, i.e. found (form originally):--[size=14pt]create[/size], Creator, make.

The same Greek word is also used revelation 22:13(new world translation).13I am the Al′pha and the O‧me′ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end… Now in this verse it’s talking about the father… Now why is it Ok that the father doesn’t have a beginning but when it talks about Jesus in rev 3:14, Jesus have a beginning? Does rev 22:13 means the father had a beginning and he will have an end? NO!!! The word beginning in Greek is ar-khay’ and it means source or origin this is where we get the word architect from, it means chief builder. An archbishop is head of bishops.

THE BEGINNING 746. arche, ar-khay'; from G756; (prop. abstr.) a commencement, or (concr.) chief (in various [size=14pt]applications of order, time, place or rank[/size]):--beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

arche, ar-khay, as you can see ar-khay means 'a commencement, or chief as in various applications of order relating to time,place or rank,so 'the beginning' in this Rev 3:14 does not stand alone but relates to ' the creation by God' hence 2936 and 2937 above also suggests 'create' or 'creature' so jesus ranked among first of Gods creation

The same Greek word is used in
Luke 20:20 NWT
“20And, after observing him closely, they sent out men secretly hired to pretend that they were righteous, in order that they might catch him in speech, so as to turn him over to the government and to the authority of the governor.”

As you can see they translated it as government and the same Greek word is also used in
Romans 8:38 new world translation
“38For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers39”

still they translated it as government and other bibles translate it as ruler.

as i have discussed earlier, the the greek word ar-khay was used and depends on the last word 'of Gods creation' in Rev 3:14 but

in luke 20:20 and romans 8:38 above, they were used 'independently'

In John 1:3 the bible says all things were made and came into existence through him;

yes, God instructs him to create things

and without him was not even one thing made that was made… Question if without him nothing came into existence how come he came into existence?

simple, God marked jesus as the beggining of his creation begining with when the earth and mountains were created (prov 8:22-24),

'not one thing' here does not mean that he is responsible for all creation, let me site an example:

when God the father of christ authorise that 'all things' be put under christ, many said that God was among 'everything' under christ but see the exoneration

1 Corinthians 15:27

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. so, you are making a case of 'not even one thing' and im making a parrallel case of 'everything' but then 'there still remain exception' okay?

This is a question they can’t answer

as you can see the analogy above, it is cheap!

:p in the new world translation it reads “the beginning of the creation by God” but in the Greek it says something different it reads “of God” and not “by God” NWT translation wahala.

“of God” or “by God” its same thing,

lets prove that not even by NWT;

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
NIV
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

if the son is beign made subject to the person that put all things under him, then we can rightly say that he was also made 'a subject by God' based on 1 corinthians above, okay?

@true2God

i have taken the little time to read about you, and lets go now;

Tank God dat u have 'stylishly' admitted using multiple ID's on nairaland after your original ID 'BARRISTER' was badly mutilated cos of ur obvios deception.

great, i can see that you have dodge the question that i posed to you earlier to prove the sincerity of the Assemblies of God church you belong and show us the 'apology' that you claimed that they allegedly rendered, but instead you switch code saying that i admitted using multiple ID'S, pls tell me what stops me from registering another ID if i feel it neccesary? do you know anything about 'the fundamentals of human right'? but i dont think i need to create another ID ok?

And now u hav even admitted dat he's ur 'elder' broda. Maybe the next ID u will create, when BERNIMORE is also mutilated will dat of C Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. 'BARRISTER' keep deceiving ursef.

you are not sincere, tell us about 'an ordained Assemblies of God fraudulent and most wanted fraudster and minister of your church[b] Morris Cerrullo[/b], show us his apologies to those he defrauded, im waiting!

@itsfacts

after he tried to say ijawkid wasn't telling people that Jesus is an angel from his own link he put on here i ask him to read it again when ijawkid was saying what if jesus and that angel are equal then he admitted that jesus is michael an angel.

did i say that ijawkid wasn't telling people that Jesus is an angel? no, im only telling you that im not aware of that, and that does not mean that im denying 'on behalf of ijawkid' i trust him, okay? until you prove otherwise

and then you also force the ownership of a tread link on me, but the link i posted wasnt my own link, but it was from one 'manmustwac'(check again)

itsfacts, im back here again, im almost through with my busy schedule during the busy week,i got your time now, and here are one of your lies,

i said that 'im not aware' until you prove, but you failed! but then, that does not change what i belief, im talking about myself, that jesus is the archangel micheal, and can defend it on my own.

itsfacts

why dont you debunk the querry up there about 1 john 5:7 but you try to evade that, by quoting irrelevant verse here,of Isaiah 48:16

can you see now that you dont even have facts to challenge but pure hatred, olodo

ijawkid, ijawkid! na wa o, you just dey push this people to the limit, e be like say you don master their problem

@itsfact
why are you beating about the bush or lost in this argument, yet you hate the jws for showing you the facts;

Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.[/b] The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

see the addition that was added to the later version of king james below was not in other bible, NWT is not guilty of this;

1 john 5:7

New International Version (©2011)

For there are three that testify:
New Living Translation (©2007)
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version (©2001)
For there are three that testify:

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version (©2012)
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible (©2006)
For there are three that testify,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
There are three witnesses:

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

see Gill an old scholar on bbcchub, who was not a jw,

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven,.... That is, that Jesus is the Son of God. The genuineness of this text has been called in question by some, because it is wanting in the Syriac version, as it also is in the Arabic and Ethiopic versions; and because the old Latin interpreter has it not; and it is not to be found in many Greek manuscripts; nor cited by many of the ancient fathers, even by such who wrote against the Arians, when it might have been of great service to them: to all which it may be replied, that as to the Syriac version, which is the most ancient, and of the greatest consequence, it is but a version, and a defective one

@ Itsfacts

this is an example of a brainwashed person.

define brainwashed, olodo!

you cant lie you are not JW because from your dishonesty you are one.

it pained you that jws have good admires like us, why dont you come up with facts and lets treat it? its like you have a lose nut on your head

you say NWT is no different from other bible

can you read at all? see my comment again maybe you need big lenses

there is no difference using NWT and other older bible like KJV.

'no difference using' and 'there is no difference' are two different things,


when i say 'no difference using' NWT and 'older' bible and not you changing it to 'other' bible

show me just 2 bible apart from NWT that are without difference word for word, even same translations with editions also has differences like KJV and NKJV

you see what hatred has turned you to, it has eaten you up like Aids infection on HIV patient, must i hate jws because you hate them? then where is my fundamentals of human right of freedom, on choice?

are you on cocaine?

good, i now know that those who smoke cocaine behave the way you hv answered, no wonder

that very same link you put up for angel thing your friend is indirectly saying Jesus is angel

yes, an arch angel,

and what if michael and Jesus are equal etc.

jesus is micheal the archangel, everything you need to know about that has been discussed here https://www.nairaland.com/1103279/michael-archangel-really-jesus-revelation/0 page 1-40

@ BERNIMORE r u 'Barrister', one of my old friend on nairaland. Ur response, style of argument, signature, all look like his.

My mind tells me here dat BARRISTER has re-branded to BERNIMORE.

nothing like rebrand, ok, Barristers is my elder brother

U just jump into a thread, quoted an earlier thread all in an attempt to weaken an arguement and yet u neva see a place in ur pasted thread where ur pple said Jesus is an angel. Then hw do u manage to see wat u quoted frm the thread.

U call me a 'pot calling a kettle black', dats good.

yes

So u have admitted that the JW only quote frm a translation whenever they want to 'confuse' their readers

im not a jw, so how do i admit a case that you havent proven, to me, they quote from other translations to show you guys that there is no difference using NWT and other older bible like KJV. they are actively using the word of God a right.

Now on the issue of the Assembllues of God church making failed predictions, dat im not aware but could be true. And i can confidently to tell dat if Assemblies of God make any mistake in biblical interpretations they can come out in public and apologize for their errors and will neva cover-up tthe mistake.

show us where they apologise or where other assemblies of God miracle worker like cerulo came out to appologise for frauding people and amase undeserved wealth before we can accept

My question to u is this, can any JW ever admit that their organization had made several failed predctions?
The ansa is NO, even wen they are staring at their face dat those predictions were wrong.

well, i dont see anytime they make a prediction of 'a day and time' against jesus's warning that ''nobody knows the time and day except the father'' in any of the allegation, so, im not aware of any mistake

Do u still believe the 1914

?

yes pls, i do

@ benalvino

where art thy compose?

This yeye Ribadu was wallowing in exile when the good Samaritan GEJ saved him, talk of biting the finger that feeds you.

Ribadu was only angry because of the fact that his report on subsidy was rubished by one agbaya (old cargo) orasanye, who was his vice chairman and who went to secretly take a post in the NNPC while they were to investigate,Ribadu expose the implication to GEJ but Gej knew that to act in a childish way of showing anger will not solve the issue, but Ribadu is inexperienced,GEJ is a dangerous person that will strike when it matters

and yet your friend ijawkid is denying that Jesus is an angel.

jesus is the archangel? im not aware of any discussion that ensued about jesus being angel, until you kindly show me where he said that! before we can conclude admission or denial

Bible made it clear that Jesus is not an angel

show me where exactly it was said 'word for word'

I know you are a witness from the get go...

i support the witnesses, and got the legal right to do so

I will soon finish my writing and you guys will witness few of your dangerous contradictions for tampering with Gods word.

post what has not been posted before,pls.. but it will be a shame on you if it will not be a new post or posted before by a misinformed individual, so copy and paste them here, im particularly waiting!

why don't you like answering question? where is it in my front? when I ask you question you will take for ever to answer it.

d

odge my question again...[b] I answered u with I don't know [/b]but still I will compare the words. I asked you again
When they say GOD is everlasting it means he has no beginning isn't? please answer this question and if he has not beginning it mean his wisdom too has not beginning as his wisdom is part of him. answer this

@ benalvino

how do you answer with 'I DONT KNOW' yet accused someone of dodging question, when you dont have a superior one, haba, is that not a double standard?

you sited this below;

Psalm 90:2
King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
Before the[b] mountains were
brought forth, [/b]or ever thou hadst
formed the earth and the world,
even from everlasting to
everlasting, thou art God.

and it was against your argument, and 'I DONT KNOW' is what you want those following the tread to sip in? go back and give the solution to that querry if you want to be taking seriously

@true2God

you are a pot calling kettle black,

Nobody is a liar here but only divergent in view and understanding of the scriptures. The issue i hav JW is their inconsistencies. Even in their magazines they jump frm one translations to another (kjv to niv) in order to convince the readers and at the same time condemn dose translations in another publications for rendering John 1:1 different frm nwt.


To me dats the real hypocrisy. An organization has to be consistence even in the face of criticism.

when you seek equity, then come out with a clean hand, true2God, you are an assembly of God faithfull, you confirmed on this tread ..https://www.nairaland.com/1103279/michael-archangel-really-jesus-revelation/10

now, how better or consistent are they?

you were unable to answer this question but your longthroat on this tread pops it up, here;

1, During World War I, The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, carried this prediction: "We are not yet in the Armageddon struggle proper, but at its commencement, and it may be, if students of prophecy read the signs aright, that Christ will come before the present war closes, and before Armageddon...The war preliminary to Armageddon, it seems, has commenced." (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3).

Other editions speculated that the end would come no later than 1934 or 1935[b] ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)
[/b]

These predictions failed.

i have copied many more inconsistensies of the assemblies of God to engage you, but lets start with this.

if you cant contribute on the topic here, why dont you shut that thing

I wrote this specifically for you as you came yapping about colossians and firstborn instead of doing as I say go back and read what we have already said you refuse. so I post this and no matter what you do I wont say anything here concerning that matter if you want to know my stance on firstborn go here https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first else forget...

sorry, i dont know you from Adam, so also you dont know me, but a reasonable approach is to ask if im a jehovahs witnesses or not, maybe they are the ones pushing you to the limit in every corner you seems to hide is not my problem, your earlier discussion that you posted are with holes as i have noted and have read similar things on other trinity treads expecially olaadegbu and i have battled to a stand still, so you only show the weakness in you by dodging the questions posed as the ones discussed earlier on the tread has not satisfied the truth or left with exegical holes, and even those who started the tread responded that you still get the collossian issue confused, but thinking that you have buried the truth, it pops up again and again but you held on to a weak defence in desperation.

Oboy you have been dodging right left and center......

benalvino is a real dodger, you cant blame him, all what he is been writing about the trinity issue he cannot defend them personally, he need to learn but adamant with a short sight arrogance, he cant just answer

@ benalvino

you are busy reading magazines instead of bible. if you want to learn read from the start ok... I don't want to explain to you again I have already done that... from the way you understand what I wrote I refuse to continue with you. if you wan to learn about colosians I just posted and article goto https://www.nairaland.com/1318212/firstborn-does-it-mean-first you will learn something.

you are a lazy man that is busy copying extracts from other sites but lacks the truth because you borrow answers from sites, you got nothing to offer, it doesnt take you 2 lines to make a reply but you are afraid....you cant defend.....and posed to be intelligent when you are not, too bad!

@ benalvino;

lol we've gone pass this... if you want to learn more go to page 1 and read through...

your case is just like a person who buries another but leaves the legs uncovered and was troubled by that mistake!
you treat nothing! and thought people just breeze through tread the way that suit your myopic view?

Who exalt Jesus? go to page one and read through to understand my point and argument I cant go back...

you wrote a whole sentence above, but i need just one word 'who', so you are not sure of yourself thinking that you have escaped that!

who gave him all power? I just quote a verse that he created all power and authority

jesus created 'power and authority' CHAI! I DEY FEAR O!

or through him all power throne and authority was created for him...

can you see that you are inconsistent above, see bolded above, you mentioned 'through him' that is he was 'like a vendor' in law terms 'vendor of the first part' and through him a message was delivered, can he claim the originator of the message and also a vendor at the same time? shame will not let you go straight to answer, but you are exposed!

where is the confusion coming from? I guess its from you Colossians made In clear

collossian made what clear

firstborn means created? again we covered this in page 15 or 20 go back and learn. firstborn doesn't mean created it means preeminence.

lie!

prove that if you are sure, but im afraid that you will evade this citing another context of discussion, shame!

bible words like throne heaven spirit etc means a lot of things but you need to use 2 to 4 verses to learn how or what it means... so the question I want to ask you did Jesus create God's throne?

no he did not create Gods throne

did he creates His fathers power and authority?

no, but the father gave him power and authority!

Did God have to create his word?

yes, his word testifies to that,

see it

Proverbs 8:22-24
New International Version

22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23[b] I was formed long ages ago,[/b]
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;


who is speaking here, lets see

in verse 12 of same prov 8,

it started like the ' i wisdom' claims the passage,

and who is beign reffered to as wisdom personified' in the bible, jesus christ,

lets see that;

1 Corinthians 1:30
New King James Version

30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—

1 Corinthians 2:7
New King James Version
7 But we speak the wisdom of God [/b]in a mystery, the [b]hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,


wisdom speaks;

proverb 8:22

New International Version
"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;

New Living Translation
"The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else.

English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

The LORD made me at the beginning of His creation, before His works of long ago.

International Standard Version
"The LORD made me as he began his planning, before his ancient activity commenced.

NET Bible
The LORD created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works.”

the bible made it create without the Word nothing would have been made.

show us now!

Jesus is the Word when God speaks things happens.

show us pls

through God's Word(jesus) everything was made.

so you know that throgh jesus something was made? and who subject things to be made through him 'voicemail' abi!

what happen when jesus share the title with adam? which title? Which title adam get sef? you are making you self known as clueless...

you evade the question because you dont even know what is beign discussed there

its better you go back and read the whole thread to understand...

you keep evading questions with this phrase

You friends are trying to say Jesus is not God

the house of David too is like God, but not the almighty God, same with jesus

benalvino:

we've gone pass here

you may have pass it but you still get the message wrong! as noted by ijawkid himself just after your comment!

... we talked about Jesus being exalted at the right hand of God

[size=14pt]who[/size] exault jesus? did he exault himself? answer pls

... which mean he has all the power and authority...

who gave him all power and authority? pls state it

if you read Colossians you will learn that Jesus created all thrones power and authority both in heaven and earth for himself

this is where the confussion comes from, lets see where you relied upon;

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

oldest bible translation king james below, that jesus is 'the firstborn of' meaning he was created,

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For[b] by him [/b]were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

there is no argument that God used jesus to create.

you remember when the father says he is the beginning?

beggining of what? it is an open statement, what of when jesus share a title with adam and reffered to as the 'last adam'

we have gone pass here... it is coming to a point where any question one ask is already discussed

i have shown you holes in what you feel that you have discussed,not how far but how well, can we?

how him eye take care... na you try to say worship mean another thing just because they worship Jesus... and you try to accept worshipping of man as normal in God's eye just to prove your point... david was not worshipped... you always deny Jesus accept worship but now you are backing david up that he accept worship talk about double standard

a parrallel has been striked between 'the worship David receives' and 'that of jesus' all to the glory of God the father!

remember too that Davids house is 'like God' note the letter uppercase 'G' i dont mean god, with letter 'g'

see that below even in your own bible;


New International Version (©2011)
On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them.
New Living Translation (©2007)
On that day the LORD will defend the people of Jerusalem; the weakest among them will be as mighty as King David! And the royal descendants will be like God, like the angel of the LORD who goes before them!

English Standard Version (©2001)
On that day the LORD will protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, going before them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
On that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that on that day the one who is weakest among them will be like David on that day, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD, before them.

International Standard Version (©2012)
At that time, the LORD will defend those who live in Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them at that time will be like David. The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

NET Bible (©2006)
On that day the LORD himself will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the weakest among them will be like mighty David, and the dynasty of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
On that day the LORD will defend those who live in Jerusalem so that even those who stumble will be like David, and David's family will be like God, like the Messenger of the LORD ahead of them.

King James
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

@belnavino

No need to take us back

may i say that you evade the question you posed which im interested in answering, if you are sure of yourself what stops you from supplying the answer in brief.

God Almighty as the superior to innitiates the move to exault the son to receive worship on his behalf but for his(God's) own glory.

phillipians 2:9-10

Why God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That[b] at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth[/b]

verse 11;

11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Ijawkid has done a great job, he single handedly handled all your arguments to a logical conclussion and in your mind you admire him, dont say it out but you know! ijawkid GREAT JOB!

now, let me take this below;

let me ask you point blank: Does the bible teach us to worship Jesus Christ? Yes or No

(1)can you kindly show where the bible teach us to worship Jesus Christ, AND how 'that worship means that jesus is equal to God Almighty?
pls im interested

Faulting the legitimacy of the holy scriptures based on the selfish-attention-seeker of the Alabama snake handler( John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, Jr., of Parrottsville, Tennessee)is totally misleading as those who base the reason why the man died on mark 16 were insincere,myopic and untruthful, if not, the book of mark 16 contains alongside 'drinking of poison' and why didnt the snake handler also have a record of 'just one case of drinking poison publicly' he would have drank poison either and not choose the snake handling that attract attention, so the point is that 'he is seeking for attention' and using mark 16 as a cover-up and paid dearly for not taking into consideration 1 cor 13:8 and 13 which further unfold the operation of the holy spirit as christianity progresses, but rather he choose to be among those described by paul below

2 Corinthians 11:13-14 below

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light

true christians should identify these men with discernment!

@shdemidemi

Tell these miracle seeking believers please. Was it not the same Paul that sang praises that made prison gates open amongst so many signs that later spoke of his fellow workers sickness that was almost unto death or the same person who later told his son to drink alcohol as anaesthesia to reduce stomach pain.

Charlatans have deceived many by telling them to pray, starve, be celibate to acquire these powers but the gospel of Christ teaches contentment, trust in God in whatever situation. If God gave Mfm the power to kill their enemies, I wonder how many people would be left on earth. If God gave winners chapel the formula to be rich, dangote and bill gate would surely be their member but God controls all things according to his will and not through the selfish will of man.

thank you my brother, i have been able to show people like him how bible should be used. unfortunately christembassy denied whole bible as the word of God, because he cant 'connect' the truth therein!

so, the true christians are those who PRACTICE real LOVE among themselves, and not the stupid snake handlers who only want to attract crowd to boost their turnovers, or those who practice class distinctions for their own glory, the Alabama snake handler( John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, Jr., of Parrottsville, Tennessee) would have drank poison either and not choose the snake handling that attract attention, anyway it is a lesson!

@christemmbassey

When? 1cor13::10 "But when that which is PERFECT IS COME, then that which is in part SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH" the question i want to ask in ref to 1cor:1310 is this, HAS THE PERFECT ONE COME?,

'that which is PERFECT' is different from 'THE PERFECT ONE' okay, it takes some iinterpretations to arrive at the perfect one,

Paul NEVER SAID, "every other gift except love shall ceased"

sorry, read vs 13, of 1cor:13:13 [size=18pt]And now these three remain[/size]: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

was 'gift of healing' part of the remaining? answer me pls!

@christemmbassey

Paul NEVER SAID "HAS CEASED' OR 'HAS VANISHED' or 'has failed'

paul will not contradict himself the way you did in denouncing the bible in whole yet admitting part of the bible, if paul says 'has failed' but yet peter and other apostles still heals thereafter 'as their shadow passed on the sick' will that be appropriate, since what paul is reffering to was a future event before the end comes, it is appropriate to use 'will fail' 'shall ceaced' etc

but he said, "WILL FAIL" SHALL CEASED" WILL VANISH AWAY".

correct!

@christemmbassey

my brother why do you ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD.

in your own word, what is the word of God? and where can it be found? remember that you earlier denounced the bible, here is it below where you did that;

christemmbassey ;the problem with most christians is that they DONT KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD

you later make a u turn again having indicted a whole (66 bboks that formed the bible) you contradict yourself below;

but it contains the word of God

so, tell me what is the word of God? and where can it be found.