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noetic2:
really? so tell me. . .whats more to this life?

What is more to life says that people should learn to say I don't know instead of lying to themselves and forcefully believing the lies of others because they have been conditioned to do so.

the evidences that support my beliefs have been repeatedly stated on this forum . . .that u choose to discard these evidences does not discredit or diminshes their significance,  . . . .so what are u saying.

You have NO evidence at all to support your beliefs, You have never stated any evidence at all, all you have done so far is simple pleading, even the bible which is the book that your entire belief depends on does NOT talk about evidence but talks about faith, it calls faith a virtue and calls those that have faith blessed. Faith requires that this god that is talked about be experienced through faith. The faithful then can't point to the universe or the earth and say "It proves God exists."If it does where's their faith? That's why the whole thing takes faith.  Without faith, it all falls apart.  The very fact that faith is a prerequisite, is a complete acknowledgment that there is no evidence to be found. The bible does NOT say this are the evidence to show that god exist it all says believers must come to god through faith unless if you are now trying to throw the bible under the bus.

what? 

Did u actually go through the thread and the link i provided? 
All u have done here is to state your personal opinion planted on the fountain of ignorance and watered by illiteracy. . . . Toneyb asked for historical non-biblical sources and they were provided. . .what u make of these sources is very very insignificant.

When your dishonesty has been shown you begin to insult people by calling them names . You did NOT provide any historical non-biblical sources that you keep deluding yourelf into thinking you did does not make it true. The Talmud does NOT talk about the jesus of the bible. Here is a copy of the Talmud read it and stop deluding yourself. Josephus was a fraud as acknowledge by your link. Tacitus called the entire story the most mischievous superstition of all time, Please look at the dictionary meaning of the word superstition it will do you a lot of good.

needlessly irrelevant.

Anything that defeats your meaningless arguments suddenlt becomes irrelevant. . The writers of the gospels did not say that they were recording any history, they said they wanted people to believe what they were writing. They did not even say who they were neither did they say if they have ever meet jesus in person.

thats exactly my point. . . . . but it sounds like u dont even know the meaning of rge word "christian". how could the patriachs have been christians?

The reason I brought the point was that christianity was brought up from Judaism to which jews themselves do not believe in. There Torah was used to create a new god that just it.

why did u not answer my questions about the missions of paul and peter. . . .  .
they are the answers to the mantra above.

Who is paul and who is peter? What do you know anything about them beside what is written about them inside the bible? Whose message supersedes, that of paul and peter or that of jesus?

Jesus warned his disciples not to preach to the gentiles or go near their cities, he also said that he was sent to save ONLY the lost sheep of Israel not the gentiles whom he called dogs as written in the book of matthew. He later said that it was ok to go and reach to the gentiles and that he came to save every body so the question is which is it? Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

Pastor AIO:
Imagine he was a nigerian. Some church would have tortured him to death by now.

. . . and there will be doctors in the church o!

Do Nigerian doctors really know anything?

@ OP Yes its demonic

Kai Chris you wan start your own religion? I am sure this is how the medieval jews and other people thought before they all decided to come up with their various creation myths. They all had to attribute everything the see around them to something higher than them. You e be like say na energy be your own abi? Ok ohh let me know when the religion begins to flourish so that I can come and invest in it.

JeSoul:
  Bindy, you're making me blush  thank you dearie  . I am patiently waiting for the flight  . . . however I will need some reassuring, I really don't like flying at all 

How then are we supposed to go to the other parts of the world and minister to them through your music since its obvious that you are a Lauren Hill for Jesus? . Don't worry I believe that you will be fine because I am good at what I do, besides the lord will be in control so no need to fear

Chrisbenogor:
She sings!!!! links please!

The link to the youtube video is on her profile as her signature check it out, she has about 3 videos she is really good.

@ Jesoul, Whats up?

Saw some of your videos on youtube and was highly impressed with what you do. I didn't know that you were a Lauren Hill for Jesus . When I get the CPL I will be your personal pilot and take you on your world wide tours and concerts.

noetic2:
you are so right. mazaje's story makes no sense . . . . . .that was my intention in asking the questions I did.
Not only does the story not make sense. , , it also gives a bad verdict on mazaje's intellectual capacity. . .the story STINKS.

It stinks only because it shows there is more to this life than meets your belief in the lying stories of some unknown jews that know nothing but how to tell lies.

1. a belief is an optional thing. , . u make choices. Some choose to believe, others choose to disbelieve. . .that does not dispute the authencity of the message (Jesus)

Except that the belief you subscribe to is based purely on faith with no evidence at all which is a waste of time to any objective observer.

2. your assertion is wrong about non-biblical records. I have taken it up with toneyb and he SHAMELESSLY ran away with his tails
There are several non-biblical records that establish the personality of Jesus.

I believe you need to go look at the meaning of the word shame because its very clear that you do not know what it means at all. I followed your debate on the other thread and here is the summary from what I read. You brought some non biblical sources you claim extablish the existence of jesus outside the bible which are 1. The Talmud, The writings of Josephus and The writings of some other guy but the problem is that the Tamud was not talking about the jesus of the bible toneyb even provided a link to the talmud itself which I am very sure you did not read, I read it and the jesus talked about in the talmud is not the same jesus talked about in the bible even though their stories look similar at some point but the entire story looks were very very different and they were not the same persons. Josephus writings is a fraud that was even acknowledge by the writer of the link you provided and the other guy(I can't remember his name) did not even mention the name of jesus as a person he knew existed at all, he only talked about a group of people called christians who worship a guy called jesus and called their belief a mischevious superstition which is tantamount to him saying that their belief is false and something that he does not believe at all in.

3. u need to understand why EXACTLY the gospels were written before u can understand why they were written long after the death of Jesus. The gospel were NOT written to serve as an evidence to prove anything. . .they were written to serve as records to inform latter day christians who did not witness the earthly era of Jesus. believing or disbelieving the gospel accounts is optional. . the question is the plausibility of your belief system.

The only reason the gospels were written was because the writers of the gospels wanted people to believe their stories. The gospel of john even says that " these stories were written down so that people will believe in them". A good look at the gospels with all the contradictions that is riddled within them tells any objective reader that the writers do not know what they are really talking about. People who were supposed to be eye witness to such event can never write such a contradictory and poor story about a person they were said to be together with all the time. The stories were written long after the death of jesus by unknown christians who wanted people to believe in their delusion and the stories were written purely by picking and chosen passages from the torah.

This is hilarious.

1. God was revealed to the patraichs who are the founders of the israel nation. . . .who then do u expect Jesus to bring the news of salvation to?

The partraichs of israel were not christians they were jews. Jews are still alive and they do not believe in jesus who a few jews, greeks and other gentiles used passages from their torah to turn into a god.

2. the word "Alone" is not in my bible.
Jesus asked that His disciples spread the gospel of salvation to the whole world.

Jesus also warned his disciples not to preach to the gentiles about the coming kingdom of god that was at hand and even called the gentiles dogs, so which is it? Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

1. what was the mission of apostle paul?

2. what was the mission of peter to the gentile centurion?

Did jesus not also warn his disciples not to preach to the gentiles? Which is it exactly?

you are yet to tender ANY evidence that suggests that God does not exist?

The day you tender one evidence which suggest that your god exist I will be there to tender my own to show that he doesn't.

I have heard this rubbish over 40 times on nairaland. . . .and I have answered them all repeatedly.
why cant u use your head to think and ask original questions

How many blind people have you ever healed? Or don't you believe in your ability to perform magic any more? Did you try and it failed?

Krayola2:
I have never looked at space thru a telescope (I'd love to though) but i think i get your point. 

I think affirming that there is life elsewhere is a big leap from acknowledging the possibility of life elsewhere. You are pretty much saying that there must be life else where based on your amazement with the vastness of the universe; but u think religionists are deluded because of the insistence on an intelligent creator based on their amazement with the vastness and apparent order of the universe( in some people, including their religious doctrines). It just seems like a double standard to me. Please correct me if i'm wrong. 

I am not saying that there MUST be life out there, I just feel that there is a very high probalility that there is life out there based on the fact that there are uncountable numbers of stars that are very similar to ours(solar system). I admit that I might be wrong in my thoughts or belief about the universe and that we might be the only ones out there in the universe. Religionist can never admit that they are ever wrong about their thoughts and hypothesis and that is the difference.

Krayola2:
I have a question 4 u. . . I was readin this post again and it struck me as odd that u can almost affirm that there is life elsewhere in the universe, based on a gut feeling, but u (i think u do, not sure) consider people that affirm the existence of a deity based on a gut feelin (and in some cases more than that) as deluded.

Why do u believe so strongly that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Have you ever looked at a space telescope before? I have looked it on a few occasion and I was higly amazed by what I saw the more I look the better it gets. There are uncountable number of stars(suns) out there in space trillions or quadrillions of which have planets orbiting around their sun just like ours. Our star(sun) is just one out of the uncountable of stars that are out there and our star(sun) is not the only one that has planets orbiting around it trillions and quadrillions of other stars posses this attribute too. Please try and avail yourself the opportunity to observe one of the space telescopes if you have any around you and you will understand what I am talking about. I just dont believe that our planet is the only one that habours life(intelligent life) amongst the over 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of stars that are out there.

olabowale:
Idols in Kaaba, in the days of Ibrahim (AS)? Was it before he built it or after it, when it is known that he left his son and the young wife, Ismail and Hajar, respectively, in a desolated land? I think you are talking about when Ibrahim was still in your, the old city state of his bloodline in Iraq. You should go back to your history source and reverify it, all over, again! I thought you knew something about Makka?

If you said Muhammad (AS), I would say that you are correct. I wonder if you do not know that Islam of Muhammad (AS) was completed after the Kaaba is rid, completely of IDOLS!

What is this? He made a very good point telling muslims to learn from what is written inside their own koran and allow allah to fight for himself isntead of them fighting for allah all the time, instead of addressing that you go on a ridiculous story line (that is a lie by the way) of how ibrahim built the kaaba .

Krayola2:
haha.

I watch some stuff about marine life and it just seems they live in a different world from us. . People say stuff like "look at all the beauty around u and how can u say there is no God?". And then they stuff like "God loved man so much that he created all this for man too enjoy", and that is where it stops to make sense. . . why would God make animals that can suffer and feel pain, just for us to enjoy. . .does their suffering not mean anything to their creator. When we take knife and slice a chicken's neck or butcher a cow for a party. . .etc. does it mean nothing to God? If they were just there for human pleasure, why make them feel pain?

God created animals for man to enjoy eh? What about animals that also feed on other animals? If god created animals forman to enjoy then why is it that there are so many animals living in places that men can not live in? Places like caves and ocean floors?

Krayola2:
haha. I just find the idea that everything is all about humans kinda weird. If I created so many different complex beings, I'd be interested in all of them.

Personally I believe that it is only a fool that will look at the universe as it is and think we are the only ones out here. If intelligent life is found else where in another part of the universe i wonder of they will say that jesus died for them too or if mohammed is also their last prophet also.

Krayola2:
I have never heard any pastor explain human responsiblity towards the animal/plant world. Is that preached at your church? What are we expected to do with them. . . eat them, kill them? do they have souls?

According to the hypothesis they just die out and rot away.

Interesting question.

The earth was cursed and animals became nasty and started to kill each other and feed on each other because of man's original sin according to the christian hypothesis. So when jesus redeemed the sin did the animals get saved as well? Logically it should be so no?

OLAADEGBU:
bindex, tudor, mazaje and all of the atheists and muslims that claim to have once been a born again Christian before coming to your senses, can I ask you guys one question?  Did any of you know the Lord?  And I don't mean that you thought you knew when obviously you didn't.  If you cannot say categorically that you knew the Lord, then you probably didn't.  If you did not know the Lord therefore, you never were Christians in the first place.  Have you heard of what the Bible refers to as false conversion?  This is were a stony ground hearer receives the Word with joy and gladness.  Then, in a time of tribulation, temptation and persecution, falls away.

If you are really interested in message of the cross and to know the necessity of faith and repentance in Jesus Christ the Saviour then go through this [url=http://www.wayofthemaster.com/goodperson.shtml/test][/url].

One thing you have to understand is that there are many different versions of god even within christianity. The catholics have a very different version of their own god so do the seven day adventist, mormons, greek othordox, anglicans, pentacostals, baptist and all the other numerous sects of christainity out there. Isn't it funny that only those that subscribe to your own version of of christianity which is the young earth creationist version who truly know the lord? People like you condenm christians that are not young earth creationist as people that do not know the "lord" .

There is nothing like knowing the "lord" or "christians" in the real sense of the word. All there is are people who accept some or all of the teachings of the bible and the foundation it lays out and use it to create all different kinds of gods according to their own personal interpretation and world view.  You need to know that subjective personal experience is not evidence for any god at all, and certainly not evidence that the stories in the bible are true.

You just "feel" that you and the version of christianity you practice is right because you have been indoctrinated into your religion through parents and surrounding culture nothing more. All you are saying in a nut shell is that if you let yourselve believe then you will believe. This applies to not only christianiy but all religions.

Tudór:
What makes you think we were not sincere christians?
I tell you, most of us really wanted this thing to be true. We searched and truly wanted to experience god but nothing. . . .you know why? Because there's NOTHING to experience.

So true, deluded apologist like neotic forget that we were once in the christian bubble ourselves. While still a believer of the christian bubble I attempted to communicate with the god I was raised with for many years. No god responded to my communication. Even as a young guy I was able to recognize that after numerous years of this one way communication it was unlikely that there was anything there that was going to respond. We're all very familiar with the response and excuse from apologist to these one way communications. "You weren't a true christian", "You didn't listen very well", "You didn't try hard enough or seek god hard enough", etc. The excuses are literally endless as to why no response was forthcoming. In reality you now that its only a one way communication and you just wishing and speaking out loud to yourself and hoping. If there is any thing speacial about being a christian then there will be some positive evidence for it for all to see but so far there is non at all.

People are emotionally attached to the idea of a big father figure out there that has been inculcated into their brains since childhood and will go to great lengths to support their beliefs including having imagined conversations with their favorite god all the time. But the truth is that they have no evidence for it outside the workings of their imaginations.

Nezan:
A fool says in his heart: 'there is no God'.

A bigger fool says in his heart that there must be a god even when he knows that he is lying to himself.

noetic2:
It is only mazaje, huxley, toneyb or tudor that can come with such a RIDICULOUS story as to the basis for leaving christianity.

The fact that you accept the entire story without looking at it to see if it makes sense doesn't mean its true.

a. was Jesus not domiciled in israel?

Why is it that the Jews do not believe in him? Its very very strange that such a great person as recorded by the bible came lived the way the bible described and was not written about by any of the jewsih contemporaries. No one living during the time the bible said Jesus lived wrote anything about him. A person that feed 5 thousand people, healed the sick, raised people from the dead, walked on water who had a lot of followers and who the king wanted to meet would have gotten the attention of people like Pliny who were alive and lived in the same city remember jerusalem had a very little population at that time. Its't it funny that the first story( gospel of mark) about Jesus was not even written about some one that claims he ever meet him but by a christian that lived about 50 years after he died. All the other gospels were written long after the death of Jesus by unknown people to be of any importance to anybody seeking the real truth about the historical Jesus.

b. did He not command that the gospel be taken to the gentiles?

The same jesus also told a canaanite woman in matthew 15:22-28 that he came only for the lost sheep of Israel he even called the gentiles dogs. is it the same Jesus that promised his desciples that they will sit with them on the throne judging the 12 tribes of Israel alone?

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

Mat 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Mat 10:7 As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

The same Jesus that told his desciples not to go into the cities of the samaritans and gentiles but to the lost sheep of israel alone when preaching about the kingdom of heaven that is near is the same jesus that made a big U turn and told his disciples to go preach to the gentiles after inntially warning them not to do that in the first place. . Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

c. is that not the essential basis for evangelism?

Which evangelism exactly? Did Jesus not warn his desciple not to go into the cities of the gentiles when talking about the kingdom of god that is at hand? Did he not say that he came only for the lost tribe of isreal before some how changing his mind later on? . So which is it actually? Did jesus come to save only the lost sheep of Israel as he said or did he come to save the whole of mankind like he also said? . again is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

d. are societal beliefs not equivalent to biblical description of false gods?

Only that neither you or any christian out there has ever established that you god is any better than theirs. You only claim using the bible that your god is true while their is false. Non of you have ever demonstrated it al all. They have also done the same claim using their own religious scriputures. Did your god not show that he was a better god than the other gods according to the bible? Gods like baal in the bible by organising a general test for al to come and see? Why is he aftraid to show that he is better than allah, the hindu gods and the rest of the other gods that we have around now adays through test? Is it because he exist only in the imaginations of those that believe in the story?

Sometimes one has to ask if mazaje is educated at all? I have stated repeatedly on this forum that you were NEVER a xtian. . . . u were just a RIDICULOUS church goer. . . .utter rubbish.

If you are really educated you will not come around sounding like a pathetic illetrate because that is how you have just sounded. Are you a christian? How many blind people have you healed? Did jesus not say that those of you that believe in him will be able to perform magic? Why aren't you able to do that is it because the story is a lie?

OLAADEGBU:
If you've got an alternative possibility of the origin of the universe then put it forward,

The time you people begin to use the word I don't know that is when you will begin to have some credibility.

and if you object to the argument I made then let us see your objections if you have any.

Let's have a look at some of what you said.

OLAADEGBU:
The Origin of the Universe tells us that there has to be a Creator God.

No body KNOWS for sure if the universe has a beggining or not. The astronomers in the past used to think that the universe was eternal, current astronomy says it began from a singularity(that knowledge might likely change in the future). That truth is that scientist do not know that for sure, there are various theories and hypothesis out there but no body really knows, we have to leave that to our grand children and great grand children to find out, for now we don't know.

Can something create itself?  Can nothing create something?  The answer to these is an absolute No.  We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something.  From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes."  It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause.  The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something.  Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself.  This leaves us with options 2 and 3.

The universe is not a human society and has no reason to behave like one. We haven't been out there so we know very very little about the universe, the univese can be part of some thing bigger than what we currently think it is, it could even be a multiverse not a universe we just don't know. But with the little knowledge we have about the universe we know that stars are formed on their own, old stars explode new ones are created with planets in some cases on their own when ever there is a super nova. The universe has no reason to behave like the human society. You have not demonstrated that something can not come from nothing outside this planet you only made a claim base on our knowledge of what goes on in this planet alone. Life building blocks have been found on comets  (in other parts of the universe) recently.

2. The univese has always existed: 

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work."  This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down.  The universe as a whole is losing energy.  In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death."

Does the bible not say your own god got tired after losing energy doing the work of creating the heaven and the earth?

OLAADEGBU:
3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the [b]heaven and the earth."[/b] -- Genesis 1:1

Olaadegbu are you really sure that your god created this universe? I thought heaven is where your god resides.

Did your god not talk about creating a solar system where the sun revolves around the earth?

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

How true is this olaadegbu? This cosmological feat only takes place in the universe created by your imaginary god not our universe or solar system in which we live in.

Rev 6:13 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Rev 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Rev 6:14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
Rev 6:16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Rev 6:17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

Is this really true olaadegbu? Stars falling into the earth ? This goes to show that the heavens and the earth talked about in the bible is not the univese we know because in the universe we know the stars can never fall into the earth because the stars are much much more larger than our earth. When eactly will people begn to talk to stones and rocks? Is it in this earth that we live in or the one your god created according to the bible? .

OLAADEGBU:
"For our God is a consuming fire." -- Hebrews 12:29

"WARNING: Exposue to the Son may prevent burning!"

Thank goodness the consuming fire god of yours exist only in your imaginations and no where else.

OLAADEGBU:
If you were to place a dried out leaf into the presence of fire, you would notice that the fire would not hesitate to consume the leaf in a matter of seconds. The fire must consume the leaf because of its very nature. Even it the fire didn't want to dispose of the leaf, it wouldn't matter; it still must consume it because their natures are diametrically opposed one to the other. As in Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29 also describes God as a consuming fire (Check it out). By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

Nice to know that excessive and irrational fear is what keeps you in line.

OLAADEGBU:
Most of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science where biblical Christians who were creationists.  Let me give you a few samples:

Physics:  Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin

Chemistry: Boyle, Dalton, Pascal, Ramsay

Biology: Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur

Geology: Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Agassiz

Astronomy: Kepler, Galileo, Herschel, Maunder

A creationist and theologian, Henry Morris and Gary Parker says "these men, as well as scores of others who could be mentioned, were creationists, not evolutionists, and their names are practically synonymous with the rise of modern science.  To them, the scientific enterprise was a high calling, one dedicated to "thinking God's thoughts after Him."

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot each time you do this. Do you know that Mendel whose name you have up there is a catholic? I hope you know that the catholic church does not agree with the 6 day literal creation account in the bible. One minute you call catholics confused agents of the devil who have gone astray the next minute they are christian creationist. What kind of hypocrite are you? . Second Issac Newton was NOT a christian he practiced Arianism a type of christianity that was considered heretical during his time, by the way who told you that Issac Newton believes in the 6 day creation account written in genesis? I see that it is good to for you to quote or cite non christians as creationist when you believe it will help your cause other wise I don't think some one like you will ever call someone that believes in Arianism (Issac newton) a christian creationist.

Most of the people you quoted are either catholics(people who do not believe in the literal translation of the creation accounts written in genesis and people who you yourself say are not christians), people that practice Arianism or some form of christianity that is very different from yours. Most of them are not creationist because the type of christianity they practice tells them not to accept the literal creation accounts in genesis.

Here is another quote from Arthur H. Compton, winner of Nobel Prize in Physics:

"Science is the glimpse of God's purpose in nature.  The very existence of the amazing world of the atom and radiation points to a purposeful creation, to the idea that there is a God and an intelligent purpose back of everything . . . An orderly universe testifies to the greatest statement ever uttered: 'In the beginning, God . . .'"

He has every right air his opinion, but that doesn't mean that his opinion is true.

OLAADEGBU:
So, when real scientists make their discoveries they will find out that it supports all the claims of the Bible and that is why I try to point that out.

Who are the "real" scientist and what have they discovered? Is it the "scientist" Ken Ham the fonder of answers in genesis the "scientific" site you love invoking even though other christian scientist like Hugh Norman Ross have said Ham deliberately misleads people not only about science but about christain theology itself? You are just dancing all over the place one minute your religion is all about faith and personal relationship with your god the next minute its all about proof and evidence using maths, science and logic that is available for all to see. So which is it really?

Abuzola:
@bindi, yanzu nasan kai jaki ne, iyayen ku basu tarbiyantar da ku ba. Kuma inda kayi wasa zan fada wa duniya cewa kai mazaje ne, shin kana zaton ban sani bane ? Tsartso kawai

Yanzu na san chewa kai mahaukachi ne, wawan banza.

You can see the confusion and madness that is called christianity. Every body is busy attacking the next person that disagrees with his own version and interpretation of the whole tale as exemplified on this thread with the likes of Oladegbu vs KunleOshob.

Oladegbu comes with different convoluted theories about how the stories in the bible can be proved using mathematics or how science supports the account of genesis, he always refers people to a website called answers in genesis whose methods have been discredited by other christians who have said that the owner misleads people about science and the christian theology itself, he does not only believe in the stories of the bible through faith as the book it self tells people to do but he also believe that he can provide evidence for everything that is written in the bible either through maths, science or some other ways. When his ridiculous explanations fall short he then turns around and say that christianity is a personal relationship between a christian and jesus forgetting that he was all over the place showing that christainty can be supported and provided evidence for by maths, physics and other sciences that completely disagree with what is written is the bible.

I just don't get this, is christianity a personal relationship with jesus through faith as the bible says it is or is it the  nonsense "proof" or "evidence" that you are constantly deluding yourself thinking you have provided? I don't know how you guys carry along with all this double-faced attitude of yours. One minute christianity is a personal relationship with the christian god through faith that only the holy spirit can teach another minute christianty can be shown to be true through maths and physics. You are completely deluded I must say.

Abuzola:
@bindex, yanzu nasan kai dan ta'addane, banza kawai

Uwar ka che yar ta'adda shege, mahaukachin banza.

@Prizm

Who created the god you were told exists? How do you seem to make an exception only for the eternal existence of your god and give all excuses to show that he exist outside time, space and the universe as a whole when the bible says that the same god occupies space in the universe and some part of him lives in people minds.Religion is believing and accepting what OTHER MEN tell you about what they know nothing about.Religion is people pretending they know what they know actually nothing about and ascribing all their theories and hypothesis to invisible and imaginary deities.

Abuzola:
What a shame on our ignorant fathers, what a shame. Mazaje father is busy regreting by now. God is not asleep.

Mazaje and tudor narration is a great lesson for me and other good muslim ummah not to marry a christian or jew.

Who told you that his father is "busy regretting"? Who in her sensible mind will marry somebody like you?

Kayi shuru ka kiyale mutani mahaukachin banza.

Tudór:
This is pure and absolute rubbish!
If this crap you've written works common malaria wouldn't be killing people in nigeria. . . .infact hospitals will go out of business!

How many people have you healed with your delusions?

The problem is that they believe all these lies, If you ask them how many people with cancer they have personally healed themselves personally you will begin to hear different kind of excuses.

tpiah*:
dementia isnt too far from you people.

Tudor, Bindex and others of like mind, pull up any thread where I've done any of the things you're claiming here.


couple of schizos.

The bottom line is that if he were a moslem sharing his story about how he left islam for christianity you will NEVER make that comment simple.

Tudór:
Good one mazaje!
Keep it coming. . .
I can relate to your story in that my dad is also a muslim but just didn't care about islam or god at all. . . Infact I just called him today and asked if he was fasting he was like mess ramadan!
My mum was in charge when it came to religion and she was a very very dedicated christian and wasted no time shipping us all to mission schools telling me in particular [b]that god showed her a vision about me revolving around Isaiah 54:13 and I will serve the lord [/b]and bla bla bla. . . .even at that young age I knew this was all crap.

I laugh in hausa , my muslims relatives are busy starving themselves for nothing all in the name of ramadan. My mum also saw a lot of vision concerning me around the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc telling her that I will be a vessel unto honor for the lord. Just as I said earlier the human mind is a very complex and powerful thing, it can help you create and turn into reality any thing that you want it to do for you as long as you seriously commit to that thing, make it a priority and focus on it completely.

Tudór:
YES and I repeat again IF IT WERE A CHRISTIAN recounting some ridiculous testimony you wouldn't bring this issue about multiple id's, bipolarity and what not. It's only because he's an atheist and thats when you feel the need to advice caution. You're just trying to discredit him. . . You're such a hypocrite!

You can say that again, if it were a moslem narrating his/her own story about how he left islam tapiah will be all over the place shouting how jesus is lord and good. I remember how some of them were busy cheering pligirm1 when she narrated her own story on how she left Islam for christianity. Hypocrites.