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This prayer thing is very funny because there is no way you can get around it. If you pray for a safe journey and an accident occurs people will still thank their god for saving their lives if they survive, if some people die or get hurt an excuse will be giving for god not protecting the people or allowing the accident to take place.  . god gets all the glory weather good or bad happens.

People are ALWAYS giving excuses for god, the reason is since men created all the gods they have to not only define who the gods are but they will have to keep speaking and giving excuses for their various gods.

As toneyb has said prayer is only a call or cry for help when you are helpless and it makes you feel as if you are doing something when actually you are doing nothing but just hoping and wishing that things will happen as you want them to happen. It makes the person praying feel better. If prayer worked for anything, there would be statistical evidence that the religious are better protected or suffer less harm than the non religious but that is not the case, we all suffer the same harm and misfortune.

If you read the bible it talks exactly how prayer is supposed to work. Believe in jesus are you will be able to perform magic through praying.  Christians keep giving excuses for their god for never acting, reason is that since he exist only in their imaginations they are constantly making excuses for him. If prayers works christians will be perfoming magic as the bible says end of story.

JIL:
@Bindex

Do you think I am as stupid as you are? Tudor asked me that question on a thread with the topic 'Who is the Man Tudor'. The intention was to make himself and the thread relevant. I saw the stupidity of his smartness and allowed it to pass. Keep believing your nonsense and remain the fool that you deserve to be. I know what I believe in and I don't need a blind fool like you to tell me otherwise.

Shut up and be quite. Did you just say that you know what you believe in? . The fact that you are here making a case for your god is enough to show that he exist only in your imaginations.

JIL:
@Horus

You blind fool, who told you its a spell of ignorance? You atheists are the scum of the earth. You always talk about things you no absolutely nothing about. I will rather discuss religious matters with a dog as they are more likely to understand religious issues. You are so puffed up with arrogance that you don't know that you are displaying ignorance.

I know my God and who I serve. You know no god and believe so much in your worthless education. You are spiritually blind that you have no locus standi to tell me about my faith. I leave you with your ignorance. Fool.

What do you know about religion? when tudor asked you if you have ever healed a blind person as jesus "promised" those that believe him him the ability to perform that kind of magic you tried to change the topic and ended up running away. Deluded fools.

javalove:
Allah knows best. . .!

mess that dead desert imaginary nonsense that knows nothing, allah and a dead rat are the same because they are all dead. Keep on believing in imaginary fools. Fuc.k allah and the pedophile mohammed, piss on them all.

redsun:
Islam is a dark religion,take it or leave it.In as much as christianity is irrelevant,it is tolerable and can't be compared with islam in anyway.Mark it,soon foreign jihadist will soon trooping into nigeria to blow themselves up for illusive virgins in heaven,losers.I don't think nigerians moslems are that crazy yet to want to kill themselves like that for bitches in heaven.

Islam is indeed a very very dark religion. Kill all the infidels and you shall get some imaginary virgins in an imaginary aljanah. What a shame.

What is wrong with these animals? There is real fire on the mountain and no body seems to care at all.

Islam has brought violence, intolerance, religious wars, lack of education, child marriage, illiteracy, child labor, arabs brought slavery and subjugation, Islam is a waste of time, fuc.k allah and mohammed and fuc.k all the fools that believe in their fairy tales. IDIOTS.

Abuzola:
Good day ladies and gentlemen.
With appropriate regards to you all. I will like to say some few things here. Some of you take me as arch enemy which is not suppose to be, am forced/pushed to the wall after seeing years of blasphemy, aspersion and taboo in the muslim section and nothing done about it made me to be revenging in this section, like you know i rarely come to NL and i registered last year until recent.



I will refrain from any assault in the religion forum for two days and if the same thing happen in the muslim section i will put down my arms and normalcy returns. I create thread in this section so as to share views unlike what is going in the muslim section where threads are hijack by your fellow people, on thursday God's willing if i see you people ain't ready for peace i will double my war on you by hijacking almost all your threads, worst indeed will be the discription.
I advice the moderators not to do anything stupid for by Allah i will fight them with all kind of weapon, spiritual and physical according to my ability inshaMaAllahu.


Mukina, AkO and other top official, now you have seen am being fair, i have given chance for peace and lets see who is fair, remember -the muslim section have undergo so many years of bombardment. Thursday is the D DAY





Thank you

This FOOL is truly the biggest retard on nairaland. Will you stop smoking that cow dung. Idiot.

No2Atheism:
I never knew i was this popular so much so that even bindex and tudor are now mentioning me on topic which i have not posted anything and which has nothing to do with me personally. . . . . . . . wonders shall never end on nairaland.

Imagine Tudor and Bindex are so worried about protecting the "White Messiah" based on wat else but  western indoctrination and their past pre-atheism image of who the Messiah looks like.

Tudor ur conversion to Atheism is not yet complete, considering that you are still fighting for and holding on to a white image of the Messiah.

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By the way, @tudor stop lying behind my back, i never condemned everyone apart from myself to hell, even though i am not afraid to tell the truth exactly as it is written in the bible (which u do not believe in by the way, hence should not be so worried about)

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@tudor

u obviously have an ego problem, considering that you are going out on threads that have nothing to do with and then mentioning my name, cus i refuse to be indoctrinated by European lies even when i have shown you from the bible what the Creator Himself said (it was not my interpretation, it was not a translation, i literarily showed you where the Creator Himself said the Isrealites were like the Ethiopians, and funny enough the last time i checked, i am yet to see a white ethiopian)

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@bindex, learn not to join bandwagon mentality, it helps to have an independent thought, even if the whole world is against you.

Are you so uncomfortable with your race that you have to force the jewish carpenter to belong to your race? if the present day jew living in israel are impersonators as you claim then how did the hebrew language and all the culture survive?

Tudor do you live in Nigeria?

If a christian sub forum is created, the proponents of the jesus is a black man and present jews are impersonators (No2 atheism) will be having very serious battles with people like davidyalan that believe they can hide their hate and miserable way of living behind the "i am in a personal relationship with christ" and use it as a justification to hate others that do not agree with their world views.

The seven day adventist and the catholics will be all over each others necks, pastor chris, pastor adeboye and bishop oyedepo worshipers will be fighting it out with the others weather the bible supports the doctrine of prosperity teaching or not.

Pro tithers and anti-tithers will be at war with each other, bible literalistic people like oladebuguu(the earth is 6000 years old and was created in 7 days) will be up in arm against people like debosky that do not share that belief.

With or without atheist on nairaland christianity will never be one, it has NEVER being one and it will never be. Atheist make christians scrutinize their faith and belief and its very obvious that they are not comfortable with such close scrutiny.

Mid night today is my initiation ceremony, Hill666 you are cordially invited to this once in a life time ceremony. My flying carper will be handed over to me today.

Tudór:
Bindex i'm begining to think that guy No2Atheism is a loon.
I've never seen someone that can deduce conspiracy theories from absolute rubbish at the same time condemning any and everyone who doesn't believe him to hell. That guy has talents!

So bobybaf is a seventh day adventist who doesn't believe in hell,  . . But he'll team up with No2Atheism who condemns everyone apart from himself to hell and they go bashing the catholics, forgetting that according to each of their sects the other is a sinner. Maybe when they finish with the RCC's they'll turn on one another!
Christianity is one big joke!

You have said it all, the belief that is called christianity is all about personal interpretation of the bible and self projecting yourself as god. Since no god has ever told them anything about himself all they are left to do is self project them selves as god using the book that they have been raised to believe is the word of god. No2atheism self projects himself as god and sees the god of the bible as a black person. He then uses passages in the bible to support his position based on his personal interpretation of the text. Which is all christianity has been and will continue to be about (personal interpretation of the bible) that is why there are over 30,000 at each others neck battling it out and trying to find out which is the "true" sect.

Once No2atheism is done with the catholics he will then try to convert bobybaf into his own sect by showing bobybaf how wrong his beliefs are based on the bible. bobybaf will then self project himself as god and show no2athesim how right his beliefs are based on the same bible and a new conflict will begin with each side using the bible to justify their positions and claim victory over the other sect while condemning them to hell for their unchristian belief.

The whole saga called christianity is a pathetic joke yet they same people will look down on you, disparage you or feel "sorry" for you for not subscribing to the fairy tale they themselves are yet to understand. Pathetic isn't it? The only time christians come together is when you tell them that their god does not exist else they are constantly on each others neck fighting with each other and trying to show each other how wrong their beliefs are. keep in mind that they all use the bible to condemn or berate each other.

Kenneth Copeland was just jumping all over the place. He was arrested by the holy spirit.

Abuzola:
Kamba kó, kaka ni, tell your god to stop the sun from rising from the east tomorrow.

I threw the first challenge, tell allah to replicate what he did by dividing the moon into two halves and making it bow to him(he should be able to do it since he "did" it in the past) and see if i don't make the sun disappear for 24 hours.

ok.gerald:
what a waste

Are you talking about all the time you have spent bowing to the imaginary desert god called allah?

Abuzola:
Where are your miracles, call down the moon or stab urself and lets see if you are truely from God. Don't tell me you have also become an atheist, poor you, i blame ur parent for not taking you to islamic school, you would have learn who ur God is

My miracles are every where, all you see around are the miracles of kamba, where is allah's miracles. Sun rise and sun set and part of the miracles of kamba, worship me and kamba or your smelly toes will burn for ever.

Is calling down the moon and dividing it into two the only miracle allah or his prophet can do? Kamba called down the sun and all the stars in the sky. Can allah do that? tell allah to call down the moon and see if i don't call down the sun and all the billions of stars in the sky.

Tudór:
Shut up abeg!
I'm not suprised, you'll go to any length to demonize the catholic church. This is coming from an atheist shows how desperate and silly you've become.
You and No2Atheism are the most arrogant and ignorant christians on this forum spamming the whole board with your baseless and hogwash theories.
Now the anti christ is a system haba! What the hell is that?? Do you read scriptures diagonally??
I'm sure No2atheism hasn't told you about how god revealed to him that jesus was a black man! -what a joker that guy is!

You both carry yourselves like the fountain of truth, as if you have conference briefings with god every morning. You condemn other christians to hell like you're perfect. . . What hypocrites!
LEAVE THE CATHOLICS ALONE!!!
They're by far the most peaceful group on this forum, they stick to their threads and never interfere or claim to have all knowledge of the truth. They never start threads lambasting other christian groups, I personally never post on their threads, i respect them. You on the other hand have started countless threads against the catholic church everytime on idolatory- yeah we already know!! We heard you the friggn' first time!
When will you and your fellow spammer learn to be HUMBLE?? Is that what jesus commands you to do? I'm sure he'll be ashamed of the both of you in his grave.

The conduct of catholics on this forum is enough to convert anyone through their peaceful ways but you and your colleague on the other hand can only convert Indian Hemp/marijuana smokers coz thats what it seems you lot smoke before receiving inspiration to come post useless and baseless conspiracy theories like jesus was a black man . . . I rest for now

No2atheism for one reason or the other decides to create his own black jesus using the bible. He then turns around and berate catholics as worshipers of satan who will all rot in "hell" for their twisted and non christian beliefs. He also believes that the present jews living in Israel today are impersonators and criminals who are not the real jews talked about in the bible. He has his own theories and uses the bible to defend and rationalize all his convoluted theories and positions.

Bobbyaf on the other hand will never stop berating the catholics for one reason or the other, this i find very funny considering the fact that he is a seven day adventist a sect that have a very weird set of belief. This is the same bobbyaf who does not believe in hell as other christians on nairaland do, yet he never stops bashing the catholics but what goes around comes back around as the saying goes, the catholic church has repressed, malign, maimed and killed a lot of people in the past now the table has turned and they have to accept what ever is thrown at them.

Abuzola:
'Allah ! Have mercy on this boy, for he doesn't know what he is doing, you are All Mighty, All merciful'

The imaginary desert god called allah should go suck a dic.k. I know very well what I am doing unlike you that is very much afraid of an imaginary deity that DOES NOT EXITS because some one called Mohammed a person you have no idea of who he really was said that allah sent him to be his last messenger.

Here is my own claim, Kamba sent me to be his last messenger to bring people to him, believe in me and kamba or your toes will burn for ever when you die. Deluded fool.

Abuzola:
Quran 3:70
O people of the scripture (jews and christian) ! Why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah.while you yourselves bear witness to their truth'


come to Islam and your life will never be the same

Will you shut up and be quite? Bleep allah and mohammed idiot.

Why is the pope in the hospital depending on surgery to heal his broken wrist when all he needs to do is pray to jesus and the magic will be done.

davidylan:
When it comes to faith and human reasoning . . . the bible has this to say - 1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

When will this imaginary god that loves destroying everything ever live up to his claims? When will he really "destroy" the wisdom of the wise and prudent? 2000 years after making this "declaration" the wisdom of the wise keeps waxing stronger.

testing testing testing what is going on?

Why can't I see my post, why am I being logged in as Jesoul? What is this?

davidylan:
again we have the same illogical copying and pasting . . . the author discrediting Panin does so on a simple self-owned website . . . there are NO REFERENCES, NO PEER-REVIEW, NO attempt to even let us be aware that this critique of Panin is a mainstream thot shared by numerous other respectable authorities on the book of Mark.

Who is Brendan McKay . . . why shld we believe him? Simply because he says something the atheist wants to hear?

What is this deluded FOOL saying? This empty barrel just can't stop giving, DID panin give any reference to his work? Was it peer reviewed? What is this hopeless idiot saying? Why should any body believe panin? because he says things apologist want to hear? You did not even bother to go through what he wrote and the points he made aginst panin you were to much in a hurry in crying aloud like the foolish retard that you are. What a hopeless FOOL.

OLAADEGBU:
There is also another design aspect that one Dr. Ivan Panin discovered.  The structure to the passage (In The Gospel of Mark) are in segements.  The first segement (verse 9-11) are an appearance to Mary in the Garden and the disciples' unbelief; the next section (verses 11-18) which describes the appearances by Jesus Christ; the final verses (19-20) are the conclusion.

In Greek, these last twelve verses contain 175 words (7 x 25).  There are 553 letters (7 x 79).  The vowels of the letters number 294, and consonants, 259; each exact multiples of seven.  The vocabulary used consists of ninety-eight different words (7 x 7 x 2).  Eighty-four of those vocabulary words are found earlier in Mark (7 x 12); fourteen are found only here (7 x 2).  Forty-two are used in the Lord's address (7 x 6), fifty-six are not (7 x .  Each of these conditions is an exact multiple of seven.  Rather remarkable "coincidences."

The design aspect that Dr. Panin discovered cannot be accidental but deliberate.  What are the chances of these  being the product of random chance?  For a single instance, there are six chances of failing, and only one in seven of it coming out correctly.  Yet, for two conditions, that's 7 x 7, or one chance in forty-nine.  For three conditions, that is, 7 x 7 x 7, or one chance in 343.  For 4 conditions, we have one chance in 2,401.  The more constraints we put on this, the more rigid the design requirements become.  You are given 9 conditions in the description so far.  The odds that this was a result of random chance, is one chance in over 40 million!

OLAADEGBU uses the discredited work of Ivan Panin that has been shown to be a fraud.

Ivan Pavin and the Gospel of Mark

Perhaps the most impressive work of Ivan Panin concerned the passage Mark 16:9-20 in the Greek New Testament.  Modern scholars are almost unanimous in judging this passage an interpolation, but Panin, in his pamphet "The Last Twelve Verses of Mark" provides a dazzling array of numerical patterns.  In his view, these patterns appeared by design, not by accident, and of course the designer must have been God.  Therefore, the passage is authentic.
As we shall see, this example provides an important lesson about Panin's work.


Accident or Design?

As we have adequately demonstrated elsewhere, any piece of text contains a large number of numerical "patterns" by chance.  All that is needed is the skill to present them in a way that makes them appear extraordinary.  However, some of the patterns presented by Panin were indeed the result of deliberate design: Panin designed them!


Textual analysis or Cheating?

Everyone familiar with the history of the Greek New Testament knows that there are very many editions.  T[b]he primary reason for this is that they follow the decisions of editors who have different degrees of access to early manuscripts and different opinions on how discrepancies between them should be resolved.[/b]  The result of this subjectivity is that, apart from intentional reprintings, all the editions differ from one another.  Sometimes the differences are small, and sometimes they are large, but almost any difference is harmful to Panin's results.  That is because many of Panin's patterns rely on the exact words, or even the exact letters, that appear in the text.
Panin used the edition of Westcott and Hort as the "basis" for his work, but very often made use of the many alternative readings that those authors suggested.  He was prepared to pick and choose almost arbitrarily from the variations, meaning that in fact he was really working with a huge number of texts, few of them corresponding to any real manuscript.  After this deliberate tweaking of the text to make his patterns work, he then calculated "probabilities" without taking that tweaking into account.  Panin even published his own Greek text, carefully tweaked to provide the patterns that he most liked.

Panin believed that he was reconstructing the original text, but his logic was circular.  By deliberately designing the patterns himself by tweaking the text, he eliminated his own argument that the patterns proved an original design. The very most he could logically conclude was that his attempt to produce patterns had been successful.

Incidentally, the edition of Westcott and Hort is today regarded as poor scholarship.


Ken Smith's investigation

Ken Smith of Brisbane did an investigation which proves our point forcefully.  Panin's report on the last twelve verse of Mark begins with the observation that there are 175 = 25x7 words in the Greek text.  If that much is wrong, it is obvious that many other things will be wrong also.  So Ken collected a large number of editions and counted the words in that passage.  Here are his findings.


Edition   
Words
Elzevir's edition of Textus Receptus (1624)
166
Wilson (1864)
165
Alford (1874)
166
Westcott and Hort (1881)
172
Weymouth (1886)
167
Nestle (1898)
168
Souter (1902) for Accepted Version
166
ditto, for Revised Version
168
Nestle (1904)
168
Souter (1910)
168
Huck (1936)
167
Souter (1947)
169
British and Foreign Bible Society (1958)
168
Tasker (1961)
165
Nestle/Aland (1975)
170
Huck/Greeven (1981)
168
More bibliographic details for these editions are available on request.

We see that none of these editions has even the right number of words for Panin's claims.  What chance do they have for Panin's claims concerning letter counts or numerical values?  We conclude that Panin himself designed the patterns he found.



So OLAADEGBU the guys "pattern" has been shown to be a fraud he just concocted some rubbish designs to prove that the bible is not a work of fiction.
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin_mark.html

Kamba to all the witches and wizrads in the house, I visited the coven here in Brussels yesterday, ohhh what a lovely experience. Come and see all the powers on display(walking through walls, walking on oceans and sea, long distance communication through the mirror, everything.) I was highly impressed. I never knew that oyinbo had witches and wizards too . The initiation process was quite grueling but I survived it. Some chants here and there, little dance here and there and some things that I am not allowed to speak about on a public forum. If I survive the remaining process I will be admitted into the coven on sunday night. hilli666 I will give you a special invitation to be a part of the show on my initiation night. The boss himself is going to present me with the flying mat. I will keep you posted as to how the whole thing is unfolding. I hope I make it, I need that flying mat. Ohh my flying mat.

hilli666 How far? Where is the coven located in Brussels, I need to go and join, I seriously need the flying mat.

OLAADEGBU:
A proud and ignorant sinner who says until God appears to him that he would not believe has no understanding of the nature of His Creator.

Is this the same god that the primitive jews wrote that he used to appear to some of them and address all of them through public speech and lead them in wars with his mighty sword of slaughter? Why did he suddenly run away and stopped addressing his chosen men through public speeches once people became more knowledgeable?  Since you chose to believe in the writings of primitive men who wrote that their god once lived with them and took shelter inside a wooden ark then good for you. As long as you accept that it is perfectly normal for any body to discard such mythical tales without looking down on them then it will be good for everybody.

No man has ever seen the essence of God.  When God "appeared" to certain men in the OT, He manifested Himself in other forms, such as a burning bush or "the Angel of the Lord."  When Moses asked to see God's glory, God told him, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, . . . [but] you cannot see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live" (Exodus 33:18-23). .

The same bible also talks about moses seeing his tribal and warrior deity and having a conversation with him face to face no? the same bible also says that moses's tribal deity once showed moses his back parts no?

If all of God's "goodness" were shown to a sinner, he would instantly die.  God's "goodness" would just spill wrath upon evil man

More ridiculous drivel, have you ever seen this happen or is this one of your new scare tactics you guys use in boxing people into line and making them believe and fearful of you imaginary sky daddy?

OLAADEGBU:
He that comes to equity must come with clean hands.  Who are you to question God?  Your myopic view is what is limiting your understanding.  If you study the Bible you will discover that God didn't confine His wrath to the Canaanites or those mentioned in the book of  Revelation.  He proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity.  The soul that sinneth shall die.  The wages of sin is death.  We will all die because we have broken God's Law.  Everyone of us is waiting on death row.  Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God.  We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment.  Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to die eternally.

You worship the writings of ancient jews whom you don't know and keep blabbing all the time. Where you there when the desert goat herders wrote any part of the old testament? Where you there when their imaginary tribal god was leading them and making the stars from the sky fight against their enemies? Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that the whole of humanity is on "death row" or did you read it from the writings of deluded men that thought the sun move around the earth? Has any god ever presented any law to you or do you depend on the writings of men that could not even write a coherent and sensible story about their tribal god?

Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that you are deserving of "punishment? If you and you wannabe jewish/roman cousins that formulated that absurd and ridiculous theory believe you are deserving of punishment from your imaginary deity good for you.

davidylan:
i think the reverse is ACTUALLY THE CASE with the majority of you. Deep down you know that evolution is FALSE . . . if you didnt have to counter creationism with something, anything . . . you would NEVER believe it.

If evolution were a FACT like bindex and co like waffling about . . . you wont even bother to log unto the religion section.

the difference between me and you is that evolution or not, i am FIRM . . . SOLID AS A ROCK in my belief that the bible is true. I dont need to tender proof to you . . . its a belief that wont EVER CHANGE . . . so good luck making noise like the empty barrel you are.

More deluded rants from a senseless fool that knows nothing more than to cry all the time, because you have rock solid belief that the bible s "true" doesn't make it any true than snow white and the sever dwarfs or the koran that you believe is false and you love to hate, no body gets to talk about snow white and the seven dwarfs because people don't hide behind it the way you fools hide behind the bible and use it as a justification for hating others and hiding your own inner fears and miserable shame that you call your lives. If you like keep beating your chest from now till you die about how "rock solid" your belief in the bible is and how "true" you believe the bible is that does NOT make the bible true. Truth and the bible are on separate and different paths.

If someone is to place a gun on your hare brain head and ask you to say name the person that wrote the creation story that you force yourself to accept and pretend is "true" you wouldn't be able to name the person that wrote it. If you like your belief in the bible should be as strong as your hard on, that's your own problem and delusion not any body's but as long as you continue to hide the miserable life that you are living under the bible and using it as a reason to hate others then you should be prepared for a push back, deluded and hopeless goon.

davidylan:
there guys seem to be trying too hard to convince themselves the bible isnt real. for all their cries . . . they certainly do spend an unhealthy amount of time babbling about the bible.

Just the same way you keep trying so hard to convince yourself that the koran and allah aren't real, for all your desprate cries you sure spend unhealthy amount of time blabbing about allah and the koran no? Deluded slowpoke.