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noetic2:
is it a crime to be consistent? why are ur posts and comments never consistent? do u think at all? can u objectively review the rubbish above?
please exercise ur option of ignoring my posts.

Have you ever been consistent in any of your post? You are one of the most delusional fools I have ever come across on nairaland. There is no natural evidence that a god, let alone YOUR god, the god that you say keeps appearing to you in your dreams exists. Isn't it amazing that schizophrenic people are JUST LIKE YOU in that they see/hear things that NO ONE ELSE sees? You see your god is your dreams eh?   . Idiot. You can't even communicate with regular people. Just keep repeating the same things over and over like a cult leader and like the deluded slowpoke that you are.

YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT YOUR GOD IS LOVE LIKE I CANNOT PROVE THAT THERE IS AN INVISIBLE DRAGON SITTING ON YOUR SHOULDER. GET IT?

horse703:
A year and a half ago I was traveling with a devout Christian friend who had grave doubts and questions about his faith. At the root of his inquiry were the claims of modern skepticism – that no one can actually prove that God’s hand moves in the real world, and that natural processes sufficiently explain everything. It should come as no surprise that Darwinism too played a significant role in this conversation, and we spent several days intensely discussing it.

this is the first paragraph in that page, have u actually read it tudor i think u shuld. this is only one response to wht atheist claim, there are a lot more responses. read it

Do you need the contact address of the NAS? You stand to win a Nobel peace prize if you can disprove the theory of evolution as a scientific fact.

horse703:
chk this site out. [http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/darwin-half-right/]

If the writer of that blog really knows what he is talking about he will write a peer reviewed article and present it to the over 95% percent of accomplished biologist that accept evolution as a scientific fact. Is writing nonsense on a hidden blog some where for his creationist friends all he can do?   . If the guy is serious he will write a peer reviewed article disproving the theory of evolution to the right authorities and win a Nobel peace prize. The discovery institute and the proponents of the intelligent design movement have been looking for people for decades that will help them disprove the theory of evolution and all its claims if the guy is serious he will not write his "theory" on an obscured blog, he will write a scientific paper and present it to the NAS. He sure knows what he stands to gain if he truly knows what he is talking about, the fact that he doesn't says that he does not know what he is talking about. He is just lying and ranting over nothing. He is a cry baby that does not even know what he is saying.

horse703:
what u atheist dont get is science is an affirmation that God really exists, it proves it, therefore advancement in scientific knowledge shuldnt lead u to disbelieve in the existence of God if u are really intelligent in the area of science as some of u seem to claim. im a scientist myself(biologist) i shuld know. take your anatomy for instance, every organ lies in the exact position that it shuld be in to allow for normal physiological activities, which clearly disproves evolution. if humans have evolved for over amillion years, we shuldnt exist at all, cause from the begining our physiology shuld have been so weak that we shuld have died out before now.

You have "evidence" that "clearly" disprove evolution and you are still here? Please present it to the right scientific authorities and earn a Nobel peace price.  Mr "biologist" 

Pastor AIO:
interesting arguments here.  reminds me of a chat i had with a muslim and he was telling me about some stories in the quran.  He told me of how Ibrahim went into the Kabbah and destroyed all the idols inside.  The priests of these idols were furious and the people wanted to kill abraham, but abraham said that if these Gods are so powerful then they ought to be able to defend themselves and not rely on their followers to do their fighting for them.

Where i kick myself is that it didn't occur to me there and then when he was there in front of me to ask whether the same did not apply to Allah.  Allah has too many of his followers doing his fighting for him.  You'd think that he could stand up for himself.

Interesting. Abraham and Kabbah. What has the mythical abraham got to do with the kabbah? Moslems and plagiarism. Allah and Jehovah, Holy spirit, Jesus all have their followers doing EVERYTHING for them. Non of them has ever done anything for himself. We have only heard that they did many many "wonderful things" in the past when men were primitive and without the kind of knowledge we have today. Now that men are much more knowledgeable on how the forces of nature operate all the gods and their many many great "works" ran away. 

donnie:
Yes, here they come, men of the senses, i am still not surprised at all. Dont birds of the same feather flock together.
So you are the one drawing people to God through idolatory and witchcraft abi? That is what happens when you refuse to retain God in your hearts and minds.
I have seen you guys in action on many threads whenever it comes to criticiszing the work of the Holy Spirit, the church or his ministers. You are only in support of the works of the flesh; things that appeal to your senses; witchcraft, idolatory and the like.

I feel sorry for you because it hasn't yet been granted you to taste of the riches of the kingdom of which i speak. Those that are of my father will hear and understand.

Only the lost can join you in this worship of self. T[b]hat is why i am on this thread to save those that will hear.[/b] JESUS IS LORD!

And how many people have you succeed in "saving". How many people have heard what donnie has said and have had a change of mind? If you have heard what donnie said and are now "saved" please raise up your hand.

toneyb:
How is it "pointless"? Where is your empirical evidence to show that your god exist? Did any god appear to you and tell you that he exist or did you read it from the writings /tradition of others? if your god exist why then does he rely only on humans to do everything for him? When has your god ever appeared to people by himself to tell them about himself? Why is it that it is humans who do not even agree to the basic nature of this thing/idea called god (that they are always trying to sell) the ones doing all the job? If there is any god that exist he will not be so stupid to allow  incompetent people like you sell his ideas or talk to people about him on his behalf, he will do it himself. If your god exist it will be a very great shame and disgrace on his behalf to rely on incompetent people like you do all the pleading and begging on his behalf. God exist only in the imaginations of those of you that believe in the hypothesis.

I wonder ohhh. Which god will allow very incompetent and irresponsible people like neotic who has never made any sense in any of his post do his biding for him? NO living god that exist will allow know nothings like neotic to make his care for him. NO god that exist will do that. If you ask the deluded neotic to provide any evidence for his god or any of his claims about his god all he will he say is that his god appeared to him in his dreams.  . If you ask him what the god that appeared to him in his "dreams" looks like, or what language he spoke, or how his voice sounded or what is it that the god that appeared to him told him, he will say that is not for public consumption, because even he knows very well that he will only make a FOOL of himself is he goes ahead and talks about his delusions and private fantasies in public. What a deluded FOOL.

Abuzola:
Islam is the way of Life. From sperm to grave Islam explained everything. Yes the dead feel and hear whatever is been said upon him till he is taken to the grave, there is hadith on this. When the dead is been washed or bath the Holy Prophet said 'wash him gentily for the dead feel the intense of anything done to his body, he will cry with a loud voice saying 'haa haa haa, stop it' by Allah whom my soul is every living thing will hear the cry of the deceased except man and jinn' there are numerous hadiths on life after death but let me stop here'

What is all these nonsense? So all these things are true because prophet Muhammad said they are true? .

KunleOshob:
The evidence is all around you including you yourself

And what might these "evidence" be? The evidence that you talk about have been shown over and over again to have nothing to do with god. Rainbows were thought to be a covenant between the ancient jews and their god or the necklace of some chinese goddess until science showed that it was just a refraction of light on the water droplets in the atmosphere. Thousands of years ago, people could not understand what caused lightning, thunder,rain, volcanoes, or anything else to do with nature. This natural occurrences, affected their survival, So they invented gods that control these things. In the beginning it looked like a logical explanation to help them better understand these natural phenomena and accept them as they see fit.

They made up stories and hypothesis like god zeus's great-great-great-grandfather throwing lightning at them or yahweh fierce anger and wrath being the cause of thunder lightening and earth quakes. After a while, the clever people living amongst them saw that in addition, they could control everything that others do and think by inventing stories and rules of behavior, and religion was born. The point is that there was never evidence for any supernatural beings. People just make claims and everything ends there. What you see around you are not evidence for any god or gods because some people claimed that their god is responsible for them. What you see around you as toneyb has stated is evidence for vision and environment.

Come to nairaland and do what? listen to unlimited criticisms?

What is wrong with Isa Yaguda? Why is he throwing false allegations against the man because he refused to decamp and join the PDP?

Nice one okocha.

How has Yar'dull lamentations helped? Mumu president.

The question rather should be who is that fool called mohammed?

wackhack:
You are talking about the life span of man uh? How many life span has technology improved? Have any one ever lived beyond those that lived before?

A lot, during the time of jesus(1st century AD) the average life span was about 35 years. Now in technologically advanced countries the average  life span is above 70 years.

Do you remember Methuselah of 969yrs? How many people even just one has ever lived by the reason of technology and medicine you mentioned to that age?

Methuselah is a myth, back in the days when the story was written the people believed in increasing the life span of their ancestors and making them to appear almost immortal. The story of methuselah is no different from the story of aphrodity the greek goddess of sex. They are all myths. No man has ever lived up to 969 years.

You talked about medicine and all that have to do with man health, haven't you read from the scripture some things of such? I've live my life up till now without the help of medicine. Do you really know what is called divine healing which is above all medicine? How many has technology resurrected from the dead which i have a life story on? Just tell me how technology has improved our life span? Infact it destroyed more than it helps!!!

You are able to have a discussion with me through this technological medium and you are still talking like this? How many people have been divinely healed? How has divine healing helped the Nigerian christian population? If there is any thing like divine healing christians will not be spending billions annually in hospitals seeking medical treatment(more christians go to hospitals than they go to prayer houses) and the results are there for all to see, less people die in hospitals than in prayer houses. Despite the very poor state of medical and health care services and delivery that is found in Nigeria, The same poor state of medical and health service delivery has done more to the Nigerian christian population than any farce called divine healing will ever do to them. Medicine remain the ONLY thing that saves humans from diseases not divine healing that is a sham and non existent.

If there is anything called divine healing I want you to pray to your god and tell him to heal all the christian babies in nigeria that are infected with hiv/aids through no fault of their own and let me know how it went.

Now to the nature that has ever existed till now. How many things has the nature destroy if not what you called modernization and technology? Where do those that developed all you mention derived their materials from? Do they built what they build in isolation? Can't you see the futility of Man without God?

What has any god ever done for humanity? The god hypothesis does no real work. Anything can be ascribed to it, if something good happens the proponents of the god hypothesis will  shout and say god did it, if the pray for something and nothing happens they will also find and excuse and say that their god did not do what they wanted him to do for them because of one reason or the other. No god has ever done anything for humanity. Where were all the gods when over 400 million people died world wide of small pox? men found vaccinces and treatment for that disease. No god was there to provide any cure. Where were they when over 100 million people died of flu in 1918? Where were the gods when drought lead to famine that killed millions of people in uganda? What has any god ever done for humanity? NOTHING we only hear about "my god this our god that" but no body is yet to see what any god has ever done for humanity. What has man done for himself? EVERYTHING.

wackhack:
Dear bindex,
I want appreciate you for that. Infact, thanks alot for opening my eyes to that which you've mention.
With sincerity of heart did i accept all that you've said. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN WHICH ALSO I WANT YOU TO ANSWER.
WHO ARE THOSE WHO DEVELOPED ALL THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED? THE CARS, THE AIRPLANE, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS OF LIKE, THE UNIVERSE AND HER PLANET? IS IT A PAGAN? OR A SERVANT OF ALLAH? OR ARE THEY CHILDREN OF GOD CALLED CHRISTIAN? AND BY WHAT WISDOM WERE THEY DISCOVERED? THE EARTHY OR HEAVENLY? BY ALLAH(SUN GOD) WISDOM OR BY THE POWER OF HIM(JEHOVAH GOD) WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE?
Please answer in sincerity if you know.

The people that developed what I talked about ranged from christians, some were catholics whom catanthom protestants consider not to be christians and others where protest whom catholics consider not to be christain of them. Others were atheist and jews, some were buddhist, shinto, from japan and china.

The bottom line is no one has gotting any formula for creating or forming any compound from the bible. Non of them got any inspiration from the bible because the bible is against such kind of knowledge and says that god alone gives knowledge. There is NOTHING in the bible that has helped humanity or will help humanity solve its problem or help man to to better understand the world. God did it is the only clue that the bible offers. Scientist have searched the every where they can and they did not see god in any of their finding rather they found answers that contradict what is written in the bible and other religious scriptures.

I read recently that a cure for natural blindness has been found and will be out in the open by 2012, Bionic limbs and eyes are now used by people, Vaccines for diseases have been found, ways to mitigate the effect of tsunamis and hurricanes have also been found and will soon be used. Non of these knowledge that saves and preserves human life was ever and will ever be found in the bible.

OLAADEGBU:
Clearly, the Bible's origin is from outside our physical universe, outside the dimension of time.  This short poem shows you the contents of the owners manual.

Another pathetic LIE, the origin of the bible is catholic church and the bishops that sat down and voted on what to be accepted as the word of god and what to be discarded amongst the so many scriptures and letters that were in circulation at that time.

wackhack:
Now to what i have in my heart to share with everyone. One of the thing the Lord has taught me is that "YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE WHAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCE NEITHER CAN YOU GIVE THEM WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. To some of us this is the truth, what we post and what we argue on are something we have never experience neither do we have it in our custody. And our problem is that WE HAVE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT BY THE LORD NOR HAVE WE LEARN OF HIM NEITHER HAVE WE CREATED ROOM FOR HIM TO TEACH US HIS WORDS. All we ever do is to put our head knowledge into His words thinking we will derived anything from them but nay we cannot. And i say unto everyone of us, GOD'S WORDS CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD BY YOUR OWN ABILITY OR INTERPRETATION. THE TRUTH IS A PERSON AND YOU MUST APPROACH HIM BY HIS OWN METHOD NOT BY YOUR OWN NOR BY WORLDLY METHOD. No amount of books your read, the school you go(went) to including your theological school, the technology and science you study or whatever you acquired can NEVER cause you to understand an iota of a verse in the scripture. Infact, your head will just swell up with earthly knowledge without the life of God. I say unto everyone of you that God's words are not to meant to be debate on neither is it for arguement the more you debate and argue on it the more confusion and darkness it brings.
It is time to learn OF CHRIST, IT IS TIME TO RETURN TO THE PLACE OF HEARING GOD AND FOLLOWING HIM. Its time to stop debating on God's words which amount to nothing but knowledge without life. It is time to be more desirous of His presence. The truth of His word can only be made manifest to you when you desire Him more than discussing or arguing about His word. My admonition is that we should seek the Lord concerning this matter, He is willing to teach us His words. And one more thing, i feel like saying this, ''Yea, darkness even gross darkness is already here upon the world and your escape is not in arguement or debating on His world rather is in His presence'' I say unto you that if all you ever want to do is debate and argue, till this darkness invade and swift you off your foot you will not know.''
Its time for all of us to go back to the place of HEARING GOD, FOR THERE LIETH OUR STRENGTH. May the Lord be gracious to us and may He keep us from this gross darkness. Yea, may His love carry us away into His presence so that we will not be hook by this darkness. Lord Jesus may You do this for us, to the glory of Your name. Amen

The same "earthly" knowledge you despise is the knowledge man has used to understand the world and how the forces of nature operate. The same "earthly" knowledge you talk about is what men have used to build cars, airplanes, computers, improved medical delivery which increases the lifespan of men and heal them from various diseases. How has the word of your god helped humanity in understanding the world better? Any formula in the bible as to how to make better medicine and heal diseases? Anything in there on how to stop or reduce the effect of natural disasters? Anything on how a nation can better its economy and the economic situation of its citizens? Anything in there that will help people live more healthy lives?

As for this word of god that you keep repeating all the time, do you know that men voted on it to be called the word of god? What you call the word of god today is what some men about 1500 years ago decided to call the word of god by voting it into becoming the word of god and destroying others that did not pass through the voting process. If there is anything like the word of god it will not have over 80 different translation of the english version alone and over 30,000 sects all struggling to understand it. Jesus whom you guys refer to as the word of your god did not write any part of the bible, its really astounding that the person you refer to as the word of god(jesus) did not write any part of the book you call the word of your god(bible).

davidylan:
And what is abiogenesis? Can you prove it in the lab?

I thought you said you are said you are a "scientist". Do some reading if you don't know what abiogenesis is and stop asking silly questions. Miller–Urey experiment,has been used to explain and test abiogenesis.(Where is your scientific test for creationism?) I am still waiting for you to present a scientific paper that disproves evolution as a scientific fact. Will you stop disgracing your self and explain to the NAS why they all wrong in accepting evolution as a scientific fact by writing a peer reviewed article that disproves evolution as a scientific fact? Mr pseudo scientist. Do that or for ever keep your dirty mouth shut.

While the Codex contains all of the new testament, it also includes part of the old testament and originally contained the entire text of the christian bible. The manuscript also includes the Apocrypha, 14 disputed books of the Old Testament that are usually omitted from the Protestant Bible. It also includes two early christian texts, the epistle of barnabas and the shepherd of hermas.

wisedge:
See another display of your arrogance and stupidity. I have discovered that you never have any ideas of your own. You dont initiate any post, all you do is to spend your entire time to peruse Nairaland and make stupid posts based on the comments of other posters. I wonder what you do for a living.

Only a frustrated Nigerian like yourself would even live in Seychelles in the first place. Your insanity and wickedness cannot be measured. I understand that your situation is the cause of your frustration. Its not by force to live abroad. If you cannot make it to Europe or America, please leave Seychelles and go back to Nigeria. There are enough opportunities for you as a political thug. At least its better than living in Seychelles as a pick pocket. 

I have no reason to be raped in jail but I am not afraid to say that you are a ripe candidate for hell, where you will be sodomised by the same demons you say don't exist. 

The day of reckoning is coming your way very soon unless you desists from your wicked ways.

In whose "hell" does this take place in allah's hell or jehovah's hell?

OLAADEGBU:
If you had only taken the time to study the post before making an uninformed assertion you would have realised that the post actually discredited evolution to be irrational, unreasonable and unscientific.

Mathematics and science have laws guiding them and most if not all have scientific and mathematical formulas that must not be violated.  The statement that man has evolved from a long process of evolution cannot be sustained by any scientific law.  The only scientific law that we know of is the law of Biogenesis that says life can only come from life which also supports the Bible account of creation in Genesis and Louis Pasteur did a good job to discover and formulate the law that God had originally invented.  If you have another law that explains how human life got here you are free to share this with us.

What about abiogenesis? Evolution supports the your idea of life coming from life only it states that life evolved from simpler forms.

Bleep allah, i hope allah bans me.

Abuzola:
Yeah and[b] DNA traced[/b] it to several hundred of centuries old

Are you a FOOL?

I watched as the slaves of that nonsense thing allah brutally killed my friends in kano during one the religious crisis that broke out in 2004. I was there and I watched how they were all brutally hacked to death by the slaves of that foolish and nonsense thing called allah. I miss you Dele my friend. 

toneyb:
The meaningless and absolute rubbish you go to talk about things you do not even know. A simple I don'T KNOW will do. You don't have to keep lying and embarrassing yourself just because you want to convince your about what is non existent.

You can say that again, A simple I don't know will do instead of all these pathetic and deluded "explanations" we have seen from neotic so far.

noetic2:
The spiritual consciousness of a man refers to the entire composition of a person, his non-bodyand unconscious personality.

What is this please? Entire composition of a person? Non body unconscious personality? . Where is your evidence for all these nonsense? Must you tell lies to yourself because you want to keep deluding yourself? Actually that is what delusion is all about people lying to themselves. Non body unconscious personality indeed.

Which is usually the basis of instincts, acumen, decisions to acknowledge right from wrong, the subsequent rewards/consequences et all.

This is truly pathetic because you just talked about some of the functions of the brain. The brain is the basis for all these. A person that has no brain can not do any of the things you have listed. The brain controls all moral instincts. It has been shown empirically that the brain controls every thought including all moral and immoral thought. What you call the moral acknowledgment is a function of the brain. The brain is the basis for all theses and it has been shown empirically.

Do you have any evidence to back up your very ridiculous and dumb claims?

The spiritual consciousness is the part that survives from the human structure after death and as such receives eternal life.

As dalaman said are you talking about the brain?

Why am I logged in as Afam today and why can I see my post? whats going on?

This is a very interesting piece about the "soul" that i found online. There is nothing like the soul that exist in the human body everything begins and ends with the brain. All thoughts and actions are controlled by the brain.

It is a common belief among theists (of many religions) that when you die, your soul exits your body and continues on its journey (to Heaven, Hell, or where-ever).
Many people also believe that the soul is the "real you" - your Id in a perfect world. This line of thinking leads people to believe that, for example, when a baby dies it's "real" self will live on, not as a baby but as an adult mind. This makes sense, otherwise all babies that die and go to heaven would still be babies there, which wouldn't be much use, really - knowing practically nothing and not being able to communicate or interact with other souls except by screaming and crying. It seems that no matter what state of development you were in at the moment of death, be it a helpless infant, a severely mentally handicapped person, or an eighty-year old with advanced Alzheimer's Disease, up in heaven you magically acquire all the mental faculties and knowledge you would have had as person in the prime of mental health.

The soul, apparently, must be somehow separate from the brain. There are a number of gaping flaws in this idea (as is often the case with religious pseudo-science). The most obvious one is this: If a person has a major physical change to their brain (due to injury, surgery, disease or oxygen starvation), it will often bring about a major change to their personality. Many people who suffer accidents that cause brain injury also undergo a personality change. It used to be common practice to lobotomise (surgically remove the frontal lobes of the brain) dangerously violent people as this brought about a dramatic change in their personality - they became much more subdued and docile.

There have been several cases where a person went into hospital for an operation, something went tragically wrong, perhaps with the anaesthetic, and the person suffered massive brain-damage as a result. Healthy, thinking, reasoning person before the operation, and a vegetable afterwards. What happened to the soul? Did the material drugs damage the immaterial soul?

Sometimes a baby is starved of oxygen during birth, and suffers irreparable brain-damage because of this. Is this evidence that God, for some reason, installs a "damaged" soul into the baby, coincidentally at the same time that the baby's brain is being starved, or is it evidence that your mental state is inextricably related to the physical state of your brain?

This begs the question: how can a change to a person's physical being have such a large effect on that person's non-physical being - their soul / personality?

Maybe the brain is just the soul's connection to the physical world? That is, the soul floats along inside our heads and use the brain the drive all the various muscles etc. that express the soul's desires and feelings. In that case, why do we have such a large brain? Mice and other small mammals get along quite well with a brain the size of a pea, so why can't humans? A mouse has a similar set of bodily organs and muscles to a human. Many dinosaurs had large bodies and tiny brains, so a big brain is not required to move big muscles. Why do we, with our average-sized body, have such a disproportionately large brain? Does a complex soul require a large brain to connect it to the physical world, or is our intelligence due to the hundreds of trillions of neural connections inside our heads?

Are memories stored in the brain or the soul? Some people partially lose their memory when their brain is injured. This implies that the brain stores memories, in which case how does your soul remember anything after brain-death? Does it take a copy of your memories and store them somewhere? If so, why can't it do this before death, giving us all perfect memories throughout our lives? What happens to those memories that are forgotten or lost? Does the soul somehow retrieve them so that you have a complete memory of every single second of your life, or does it only get those things that your conscious mind can normally remember?

If the brain is the soul's connector, why do other animals have brains at all? Do they have small, simple souls? Many religions teach that only humans have souls, and yet many animals are able to express their desires and feelings quite adequately (ask any cat-owner at feeding time). If a soulless animal can obviously express happiness or fear, is this caused purely by its brain or by some sort of mini-soul acting via the brain? If animals have some sort of soul, do they go to Heaven when they die, or is their existence simply extinguished (just as if their personality was indeed caused by the brain)?

If the brain is simply a link-point for the soul, then how can drugs affect the state of the soul? If you take some mind-altering drugs, the chemical balance in your brain will be altered, but how can chemicals have any effect on the immaterial soul floating along with the brain? How do antidepressant drugs stop a nonphysical soul from feeling depressed? Why do souls need sleep? Why does your soul cease to be aware while your brain slumbers? The answer is quite simple, and not to the liking of theists. Your personality is a direct product of that physical organ in your head, your brain. If your brain is altered, your personality (your "soul" is altered. When your brain dies, your soul dies with it.

Nothing else makes sense and, as usual, the theistic explanations only raise more problems than they solve.


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@olabowale

Nice rejoinders. I just want to know it you have ever studied the koran from other historical sources to know weather its assertions are indeed true? For example what has circular history got to say about how the koran was written and complied? Have you ever tried to engage yourself in that kind of study?

muhsin:
Oh. . .too bad for ya, bud.

That's how it is.

Sincerely speaking, Christianity is wholly false.

As a Muslim this statement should be expected.

And pack that Atheism stuff aside, for I know NO same humanbeing can claim himself an atheist. Alhamdulillah.

I am a very sane and rational human being and I am an Atheist. Bill Gates is an atheist he is not some one you will call an insane person No?

I disbelief in Christianity and belief in Islam when I, ESPECIALLY, look at that Trinity obscurity and dogmatism. It's boldly and numerously said therein the Bible that the Lord?God is one, but they claim that he's three. I wonder it's in algebraic or in ordinary mathematics that 1+1+1=1. This rationally, intelligently and reasonably sound completely absurd and even thoughtless. Contrary to this it's said:

Do you only believe in Islam because the trinity does not make sense to you?

Old Testament:

1-Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (Deuteronomy 6: 4)

2-Has not the One God made and sustained for us the spirit of life?(Malachi 2: 15) 

3-I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no god. Who is like Me? (Isaiah 44: 6)

4-And many other verses.

New Testament:

1-One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.(Matthew 19: 16-17, in Kings James Version)

2-Now this is life eternal, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.(John 17: 3)

3-Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord. (Mark 12: 29)

4-And many other verses

You see? Why then would they say there are three God,i.e. god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit?

Qur'an, on this issue, states (in corroboration of these quoted verses ):

1-Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him. (112: 1-4)

2-There is no god but I; so worship Me. (21: 25)

3-Can there be another god besides Allah (God)? High is Allah above what they associate with Him.(27: 63)

Indeed, this message concerning the Oneness of God (i.e., Tawheed in Arabic) is the essential theme of the Qur’an. Why should I take Qur'an, then?

After Trinity, another issue in relation to it is the calling of all the Prophet to worship none but Allah. For example, when Moses (p.b.u.h) was asked about the first commandment in your Bible. He said in Mark 12:28-29 and said the Lord is One.

Noah (p.b.u.h) said in Qur'an 33:23 that God is One.

Prophet Hood (p.b.u.h) in Qur'an 7:59 said the same.

Salih (p.b.u.h) in Qur'an 7:65 also said the same.

Shu'aib (p.b.u.h) in the same vein uttered the same in Qur'an 7:73.

And all others said. Therefore, Muhammad (p.b.u.h)'s message is BUT true. Allah says unto him: "And We sent no messenger before you but commended him to inform his people that there is no true God except I; therefore worship Me alone. (Qur'an 21:25).

Moreover, I don't at all believe that Jesus was the son of God. This may come up next time. Now there are loads to do on the net.

Thanks for your understanding. May the Lord of Muhammad (p.b.u.h), the Lord of Jesus (p.b.u.h), our Lord--Allah, the Exalted, guide us all, ameen.

Muhsin

Have you ever taken time to study the claims of Islam which are written in the koran to see if they are actually true? Have you ever studied the koran outside muslim sources to hear the argument from the other side, or do you accept what the koran says because you believe it conveys the message of Allah?