₦airaland Forum

freeze001:
You deliberately lose the point of mutual consent and agreement to function and work together. If the people in question do not have a meeting point from which they agree to exist and function based on agreed terms of engagement, there will be constant friction. I am first of all, a product of my tribe n tradition. My dependence on others for survival and vice versa can only be fruitful and durable by mutual agreement and respect. The moment one tries to cow the other by violence like these godforsaken herdsmen, there will be an equal reaction. No legislation can force one on the other. Mere legislation and force will not erase the obvious evil and destruction the herdsmen represent.

There is Igboland, there is Yorubaland and so on. The one Nigeria gospel can never wipe out or decrease our peculiarities and differences under our different tribes and nations; certainly not by force of obnoxious laws like this grazing bill. Igbos, Yorubas, Ibibios, Igalas, Nupes, Tivs, etc all existed before Nigeria and they didn't die because they were forced to coexist as Nigerians.

The various tribes know themselves and those in close affinity. The slight differences in dialects do not make them lose sight of where they belong. When push comes to shove, there will be natural grouping and then I will see u tell an Ebonyi man that he's not Igbo or a Kwara man that he's not Yoruba.

It is these natural leanings and closely related cultures that form the identities of each individual not some Nigeria that was slapped on for the hell of it. Fulani grazing bill and routes are anathema to the ways and life of Southerners. If they cannot reach a mutual agreement with the natives and leadership of whichever region in the South they choose to settle in, grazing reserve bill will not avail them any acceptance.

Laws do not exist in a vacuum, it is general acceptance that gives it legitimacy otherwise forceful application amounts to oppression and u knw how a man reacts when pushed to the wall and he's at the end of his patience.

Abeg rest. Nobody is oppressing u. And by the way, nobody has monopoly of violence. Ask your folks about the civil war before u make empty threats

As for collective agreement, you may wish to refer to the first paragraph of the constitution.

After all is said and done, you will NEVER succeed in dividing this country. Tho you can always relocate if the idea of our unity is so painful to u

You say you dont want grazing reserves, but u want fg to establish ranches. The question is where shld fg establish that? If you dont want it in your state, so which state shld that be established

freeze001:
They recognise the existence and distinct traditions of those tribes that is why the different traditional rulers and modes of dispensation of justice are recognised and not erased into ur so called one Nigeria.

However, it is policies like the differentiated scores for entry into unity schools that smack it tribalism, attempting to favour some over others with undue advantages. This grazing bill is tribalism personified, giving preference to a particular business dominated by a particular tribe over other businesses operated and spread among others thereby according them a preferential status over others.

So u see, Nigerian laws acknowledge the distinct nations/tribes whilst some are sheer tribalism personified and that is why there will be conflict!

U should invest in a dictionary. Ever heard of affirmative action?? And if u dont love your country nigeria, then why are u still here??

U are the one showing your affinity for tribalism here, not the nigerian laws. You are unable to think beyond yourself and your tribe. Forgetting then even you depend on others for survival as well.

By the way, even those advocating for separation fail to understand that there are more than 200 tribes in nigeria with more than 500 dialects. There is no place known as igbo land or biafra land. An ebonyi will never be regarded as igbo. And neither is delta or any of the niger delta states part of igbo land. Same thing goes for yorubas. Where will u place kwara or kogites??

So your seperatist ideologies are nothing but fantasies. We either function together as a country or perish!

freeze001:
Must they rear cattle? It is not what they are traditionally involved in. Is cattle rearing a priority business that must warrant government intervention and not others that even contribute to our national income through taxes? Must they be in conflict with others? So the reward for wanton lawlessness, bloodlust and murder is government patronage and free access to every state of their choice?

Actually, the FG recognises tribes and that is why there are customary courts in the south and mainly sharia courts in most northern states. That is why there is disparity in the scores for admission into unity schools, that is why the constitution recognises traditional rulers and their roles so yes, some laws are predicated on tribalism.

This particular bill in question is a highly tribalist one designed to favour a particular tribe known particularly for this business of cattle rearing.

Like I said before, there is no one Nigeria. There must be mutual consent and agreement before two completely different people can do business together or coexist mostly in peace. Useless laws like these will only further widen that divide which u want to be blind to by force.

Igbo men own vast properties how? By personal effort in line with state laws. Herdsman can do same and must be compelled to do so not by this galling and disgusting attempt by government pandering to their whims just because of some misplaced sense of entitlement or belief in the monopoly of violence to hold others to ransom.

Go read up the meaning of tribalism before commenting. Constitution recognising all traditional rulers or sharia or customary courts does not amount to tribalism. Infact, that is the opposite of tribalism!

IzonOwei:
I am here omenka...I am here...and I am angry.... ....old people have been left to suffer without pension for over 6 months...I wish governors can be stripped off their immunity so that external powers and the people can drag them to court and lock them up...what rubbish....

Lol the only external power is the APC FG that u guys said u hated. Be careful the devil u choose

Sorry but u have to endure this for the next 4yrs. Next time think about your needs rather than that of politicians

Sorry but bayelsans shld manage what they voted for. Its their lot!

freeze001:
There are millions of Southerners doing business in the North, very true. So did the government give them special concessions and procure land strictly for their use? How did they set up their businesses? That is how the herdsmen should go about it within the ambit of the law or where have u heard of Southerners toting dangerous weapons and attacking people in the North?

Take it or leave it, we have completely distinct identities and none will tolerate any attempt to neutralise one in favour of the other. It is either there is mutual consent and respect in the course of existence and interaction or they stay separately. No law forcing one to accommodate the other who is a known parasite/destroyer will stand, it is as simple as that.

For that provision in the grazing bill requiring the consent Attorney General to enforce a judgement against the commission, one would expect u to make an effort to find out for urself or be civil in seeking clarification.

Do the southerners in the north rear cattles?? Is there any conflict between them and the northern indigenes to warrant govt intervention?? Your points go to no issue.

Sorry, but the FG does not make laws or policies based on tribalism. The earlier you quit this "them-us" mentality, the better for the country. The President and entire federal govt oath upon assuming office is to ensure the territorial intergrity of nigeria and enforce peace and security. It is not to ensure the terrirorial integrity of the south against the north, or the north against the south. All nigerians have the right to own property in any part of the country. Igbo men own vast extensive properties all over the north and south east. In the same way yorubas and hausa own property worth billions of naira around the country. This is the vision of our constitution. It is not about promoting hate or calling any tribe "parasites"!

Pennsylvania:
Freeze001 answered you perfectly......unfortunately, what she said is too difficult for you to decipher, or perhaps you're ignorant or maybe short sighted

I'll start by answering all your questions @ the bolded....

You talk as if you're not living in Nigeria. Look lemme tell you, once that land is taken from the ancestral owners, that's the end, you'll even seen instances where the government will take the land without fully compensating the owners.....I doubt if the locals will ever have access to it again. You use PEJ and Turai as as example, failing to understand that these two people you just mentioned were former first ladies and also forgetting Nigeria's law only comes in place for the rich and elite but subjugate the poor at every given opportunity

Can you mind explaining the security and social angle of taking peoples choice lands and given to murderers for grazing?

See what you just said? So in the wake of conflict, we should still allow crazy grazing process even if it kills people all becos you don't want us to loose our meat? This is probably the dumbest comment I've seen all day.

Next you said cattle rearing is not a govt business......so if it is not, then why should the government provide lands for them in order to graze? Has the govt ever given a second thought to give free lands to other Southerners who do business in the North?

You're just contradicitng yourself, you said the govt should provide lands for them to graze all around the country.....so what landowners are you talking about again? Is it the ones that has already had their land taken away or what?

If you're so interested in this bill, you can write to the government to come set up grazing route for them in your state. Cos I don't see why any sane person living in this country could write to defend such nonsense. You talk as if once the grazing bill is passed then that's an automatic way to end the madness of this murderers.

If the govt can't provide peace and security for the locals now, what's the probability that they'll provide it when the grazing bill has been passed?

You know u can make ur points without insulting people.

Your argument is full of conspiracy theories and half truths. People win judgements against govt over land everyday. So no, the court judgement is not only for the rich

Dont come out to write about this u know absolutely nothing about and base your arguments on speculation, rumour and roadside gossip. From your comments, u obviously have not read the bill. So until u do, dont comment blindly.

And btw, for your information, compulsory acquisition of land is already provided for under the constitution. Govt cannot take any land lawfully without payment of compensation.

Always try to read and research before commenting, ok.

CyberWolf:
I think you are reading through this thread right? blackpanda, Dabuilt,passingshot, joborskill, etc.. All of them are active Yorubas on this forum and the defend this grazing bill aggressively.. Why?

Stop blabbing pls! I am not yoruba
Must u make everything about tribe

CyberWolf:
I think they should start the implementation by taking your father's and grand-father's compound. Nonsense!

Quit childish rants. If you have a point, make it like a matured adult!

freeze001:
The same bill makes it mandatory that any judgment obtained against the commission cannot be executed without the permission of the AG. So that is the FG whittling down the power of the judiciary. Secondly, how many family land owners are buoyant enough to engage in litigation of this sort? So why create a problem in the first instance?

In ensuring security, the government is also bound to conform to the prevailing customs and traditions of every area otherwise there wouldn't be a ministry of culture and tourism. Fulani beliefs and culture are completely different from what obtains in the South. The government should not therefore force strangers known for their destructiveness on others by Federal might.

The grazing bill will only foster more problems unless its powers are restricted to the north. You say when there is an outbreak of violence the Ministry of Agriculture can do nothing, is it the proposed Grazing Commission that can do anything? Is it a security agency?

I still maintain that government has no business acquiring and maintaining grazing facilities for just a select few with taxpayers money! They should apply for allocations from whichever state governments they wish and follow due process like every other business owner. It is the duty of security agencies to maintain law and order and that includes disarming the herdsmen, tackling their sources of illegal ammunition and prosecuting those found in possession of same.
Security will not come by fuelling their sense of entitlement as federal government brats. They aren't more Nigerian than others and the grazing reserves bill proposal is frigging unheard of anywhere else!

There is no way the judgement of a court can be subject to attorney general's consent. I dont know where u read that from. The only thing subject to AG's consent is when it comes to garnishee. You shld probably read the bill again.

Once again, you have succeeded in only stating the problem, with no solution. The constitution supports compulsory acquisition by govt. Perhaps u shld read that too.

And pls get over this your north-south mentality. Nigeria is one. There are millions of southerners doing business in the north. Shld FG also restrain them to the south??
Sorry but your comment is impractical and provides no solution

freeze001:
I stated very practical solutions in my first post on this thread, kindly go back to it again. And no, we are not one Nigeria, we are simply a group of distinct nations lumped together. No nation will lose its identity, traditions and properties to another without a major fight! Such fights are to the death and cannot be resolved by obnoxious federal laws.

Yet u rely on these same "obnoxious federal laws" for your daily bread. You cry that budget has not been passed, u want boko haram defeated and even now you are looking to fg to end the onslaught of the herdsmen.

You better wake up. There is no country in the world that does not have diverse traditions and cultures together. China, america, UK are all product of diverse cultures and peoples. This your seperatist ideology is both naive and ridiculous

Pathetic wailer! Smh

kcnwaigbo:
So according to you,in order to achieve "peace" we should mortgage our lands to the fulani herdsmen otherwise,they will continue to attack us baa?

Well FYI the useless bill is dead on arrival and will not even make it past the first reading at the HOR!!! No legislator from the south/mB will assent to that useless bill.Any further violence from this animals will be met with appropriate response

This is a childish response and provides no solution. In a land where people degenerate to "an eye for an eye" everybody ends up blind. We have not finished fight boko haram and your suggestion is that fg shld initiate another war

Pls be rational

freeze001:
The bill is not for ranches, it is to provide grazing routes! In other words, they will still roam only on FG acquired areas. We seem to forget that Nigeria is one melting pot of completely different tribes and cultures which must be preserved. Fulani nomadic routines are strange to the Southerners and so should not be forced by federal law to have these strangers in their midst.

Some of these herders aren't even Nigerians! Which country has given property for the strict use of foreigners and even goes ahead to create a whole new parastatal or commission for that purpose?

It is alright if they want to allocate these lands to them in the North which is their natural habitat. Besides, the North boasts of almost 60% if not more, if the entire landmass in Nigeria. It is also the mainstay of farming so grasses are not in short supply. If fulani businessmen wish to settle anywhere down south then it must be on the terms of the owners and governors of the area not by Federal might.

Unfortunately, u only restated the problem without providing any solution. You cannot ban herdsmen without providing an alternative. Who will police them round the clock to prevent them from grazing? Not to mention that they are a major source of food for the nation, and food is security.

Stop this "them-us" type of thinking. Govt doesnt see north and south. We are one nigeria. Everybody eats meat, everybody is entitled to security of his land and everybody has the right to move around the country. Or are there no southern business men in the north??

Your comment is not a solution but only serves to compound the problem

freeze001:
No...read the provisions of the bill. The proposed commission will have power to acquire land in areas where it deems fit that the practice of cattle grazing should occur. On what basis will the FG arrogate unto itself the power to deem an area fit? If the owner refuses to be party to such and therefore rejects any compensation then what next?

It is not the duty of the FG. The power and ownership is vested in the State governors. The proper thing will be for the cattle herder or the association to apply for an allocation of an area for his stated purpose and the governor/relevant state apparatuses decide on the availability of property for that purpose.

How do you countenance the funding of a commission with full employees and benefits up to pension under civil service rules just for cattle grazing? What happened to the Ministry of Agriculture? Is this not a totally wasteful venture? When did cattle rearing become a government run business to warrant such intervention? Where do u see such practice in any country? Why is the FG so vested in this? Why is there not a proposed commission for farming if u think it makes sense to propose a grazing reserves commission?

Actually I think your questions are naive. But I will try to answer u any way. First of all, the criteria for determining when it is in public interest to acquire land has already been determined by the courts. And an aggrieved landowner can always sue the govt if he feels the acquisition had ulterior motives. An example of this is when patience jonathan tried to acquire the land of former first land turai under the guise of public interest. The court rejected the action of FCDA in re-allocating the land.

Secondly I think u are only looking at this onslaught by herdsmen from a business perspective. You have failed to take into consideration the security and social angle. There is no amount of money that is too great for security. The problem of invasion by fulani herdsmen cannot be compared to farming that is under the ministry of agriculture. When conflict erupts and people are slaughtered, there is little or nothing ministry of agriculture can do.

Again, despite the conflict, Nigeria still needs to keep its meat. It will not be wise or prudent to ban cattle rearers from nigeria, only to start importing meat from niger or chad. This is economically detrimental to our current predicament as a nation.

Cattle rearing is not a govt run business, but govt has the sole mandate to ensure peace and security around the country. There is also the matter of the constitution that gives rights to both the herdsmen and the landowners. The grazing bill remain the only way to navigate around these difficulties at the moment

SeverusSnape:
[s]RUBBISH, Tell your dullardic Presidiot to start work immediately instead of him (and you) to keep blaming the past administration.

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Be quiet!
If you dont know what to type, kindly shut up.

Just look at all the hopeless desperate wailers. After the corrupt incompetent buffoon you call hero landed us in a pile of poo, some morons are still making noise!

Smh

freeze001:
If you understood the difference between grazing routes and ranches as u have mischievously stated, u would see the absolute dumb that resonates with every word you just typed.

First, cattle rearing is a purely private business. It is not government owned or regulated and rightly so. The rearers of cattle are businessmen going about their businesses in criminal ways. The role the government ought to play is to crate laws mandating a complete stop to the roaming of cattle within a time frame, say one year. Next, the cattle rearers will be required to acquire properties through legal means as ranches for settlement of their cattle. The government should facilitate the process by making low interest loans available for procurement of necessary machinery for setting up standard ranches. It should also provide adequate training for herders in modern cattle rearing methods.

The implication is that this is a role that will be played by the Ministry of Agriculture. The FG is not expected to expend resources creating a commission for grazing reserves/routes to be managed and funded by the FG when it is not as if proceeds from cattle rearing are funnelled into the Federation account and disbursed to the stated like proceeds from crude, taxes et al are.

Grazing routes imply that the FG will by law, cut through swathes of land in every state and declare it property of cattle rearers to pass through in the course of moving livestock and feeding them. The bill makes it a crime for anyone to encroach on such areas but is curiously silent on criminalising encroachment by d herdsmen on farmlands which is d major cause of the crises in the first instance.

It is an obnoxious law. A businessman should fund his business like every other and abide by the laws of the states he is able to secure and set up his business. He must pay his taxes and ensure he doesn't breach the rights of others. Herdsmen are businessmen and not government babies or charity cases.

The emboldened is not correct. Govt is not declaring the areas carved out for grazing as property of herdsmen. On the contrary, FG will pay compensation to the landowners before the land can be acquired. The land remains property of FG.

Recall that the Governor of a state already has power to do this by reason of the Land Use Act. So this is nothing new to our system. The only difference now is that the bill is extending this power to FG. Note that govt can not take any land without payment of due compensation

freeze001:
If you understood the difference between grazing routes and ranches as u have mischievously stated, u would see the absolute dumb that resonates with every word you just typed.

First, cattle rearing is pure private business. It is not government owned or regulated and rightly so. The rearers of cattle are businessmen going about their businesses in criminal ways. The role the government ought to play is to crate laws mandating a complete stop to the roaming of cattle within a time frame, say one year.

You cant stop them without creating an alternative. That will be an impractical law. And govt can not be pursuing herdsmen round the clock forever, especially when people still have the right to invite them into their community. So no, this is not a solution

First of all, OP you are wrong. The grazing bill does not say the land will be free. Govt must pay before any land can be acquired and converted to ranch.

Secondly, under the land use act, all lands in urban areas are already vested in the Governor of a state. This means that the Governor already enjoyed the right to acquire your land in public interest, after payment of compensation. The grazing bill only seekes to extend this power to the federal govt so that it can make nationwide solution to the problem.

Thirdly, establishment of ranches is the only way to deal with the tresspassing herdsmen. This is the only bill that will make it illegal for the herdsman to trample over your land and keep moving about unrestrained. Once it is passed, all such movement will become illegal and it will be easier for govt to go after violators, then transfer their cattle to the ranch.

Govt must be careful not to turn the herdmen into another boko haram. because these guys are all over the country. This is a delicate situation that must be approached with wisdom

SeverusSnape:
https://www.thecable.ng/insider-decomposing-bodies-nigerian-soldiers-stuck-boko-harams-territory

Government of propaganda, And they were denying this.

The only thing this APC government is excelling at is lies/propaganda. What are they going to tell the families of the slain soldiers??... Lets wait for a "robust response" from the chief liar him self - Lai Mohammed.

May the gods punish Buhari and his lying cohorts.

Wailers are soooo predictable! Smh

Once there is any rumor of a bad news in the country, you can count on the satanic wailers to be FTC. What a shame! Even if one local govt is actually under bh, compared to the 22 of jonathan's regime, why shld that excite you?? Wailers are the real problem of nigeria. They enjoy backwardness and anything evil!

SamuelAnyawu:
If PDP Doesn't choose Jonathan as it's candidate in 2019 aswear I will vote against PDP.

Great Man..
Humble Man...

His ambition is not worth the life of any Nigerian

Pdp has already zoned presidency to the north east! Sorry ehn

ElCapone:
tank God 4 ppl like u who are always handy to counter some pplz stupidy. U go recieve promotion dis year my padi and stay blessed.

Amen o...I wish u same!

Saraki is not smart. He shld have gone into plea bargaining since. Now all his poo will be washed in public for all to see and he will still end up in jail.

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erunz:
yesterday i was at Zone C police command at abeokuta, the police there were insulting Buhari because their salaries have not been paid and we speak today, till date some civil servants are yet to get salaries and some praise singers are here hailing BUHARi. we already know people that will destroy this government.

buhari Media Team
His praise singers
his ministers
apc zombies
Fulani herdsmen
buhari himself .

continue hailing Nigerians are watching

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Forget about the super story u heard from police by the road side. I am a civil servant and i can confirm that the salary was paid on 25th as the President had ordered.
On this score, Buhari has don well!



And pls nobody shld ask me to attach pic of my salary alert. I dont wanna be kidnapped just cos of 40k biko

feldido:
APC and china.
You wonder why?


China=FAKE

China = fastest growing economy, permanent sit in security council, one of the most powerful countries in the world!

PDP are the originators of boko haram. It is a satanic party that has one singular objective to destroy this country!

Sadly dumb wailers keep following them like goats to a slaughter

Miserable IPOD wailer!