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Nonsense.

The Sokoto Islamic Caliphate prides itself over the conquest and enslavement of fellow black Africans.

The mainstay of the Caliphate was a slave based economic model.

Kano was a major slave market that supplied Slaves for the trans-saharan slave trade.

Slavery was officially abolished in Northern Nigeria as late as 1936!

WORLDPEACE:
I have read where white slave traders called blacks the cursed descendants of Ham. That blacks are condemned by God to be slaves. They did abandon that belief eventually but some of them used it as justification once.

But is there any Christian text or act by Christ Himself that justified the enslavement of Africans?

Because some Europeans who identified themselves as Christians justified slavery of Black Africans does not translate to Christ approval

Any anti-Trump thread created on this section is never pushed to Foreign section and will most likely hit FP.

But any thread which is Pro-Trump is quickly rushed to foreign section by the islamofascist mods on duty.

While Trump's Twitter activity from yesterday continues to drive media and political outrage, especially in the UK, and with the focus of the frenzied coverage being that the president retweeted a far-right U.K. leader's "anti-Muslim videos", there is actually something much more interesting concerning the context to the “Muslim Destroys A Statue Of Virgin Mary” video.

That particular video shared by the president is from 2013 and shows a Free Syrian Army (FSA) commander named Omar Gharba destroying a Virgin Mary statue as the group invaded a Syrian Christian town. In a geopolitical and deeply ironic twist demonstrating the absurdity and contradictions of US foreign policy, the radical Islamist commander was actually supported by the United States at the time as part of the FSA, which the media and US government deemed "moderate". 

So a sitting US president shared a video which reveals a Syrian "rebel" fighter committing war crimes who was part of one of the very groups backed by the CIA as official US policy under the Obama administration. Of course it is likely that Trump himself is not fully aware of this, yet the astounding geopolitical irony in this should not be missed, even as public outrage is reduced to merely discussing "anti-Muslim bigotry" and whether or not Trump is being "presidential".
And while multiple media outlets, for example NPR, continue to claim the videos are "unverified" and "have no context" or are of "murky origins" (as the Washington Post wrongly claims), this particular video especially was widely shared and discussed among the world's top Syria analysts and Middle East scholars at the time.

The video was taken in 2013 and shows the Wahhabi cleric and FSA commander smashing the Christian statue in connection with the US-backed group's prior attack on Yakubiya in Idlib province. The book, The Islamic State: Combating The Caliphate Without Borders, authored by counter-terrorism experts Yonah and Dean Alexander, gives his full name as Omar Gharba al-Khojji and like vast numbers of FSA fighters he eventually jointed ISIS (some online sources alternately list his name as Omar Raghba).

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/11/30/vmary_0.jpg
US-backed FSA commander Omar Gharba al-Khojji committed atrocities against Syrian Christians.

Yakubiyah was a mostly Christian village principally comprised of Armenian Orthodox and Catholic churches which after being taken over by the FSA was subsequently held by ISIS. The local Christians saw no distinction between the invading FSA and ISIS fighters as it was primarily the US-backed FSA which began massacring Christians and looting churches.

Even the US government funded Voice of America news had this to say based on an interview with a Christian survivor:

Christian refugees described to VOA the execution of a half dozen of their co-religionists in the northwestern village of al-Yakubiye, in Idlib province, by Sunni Muslims aligned with the Western-backed Free Syrian Army. Rahel, a 45-year-old former teacher, said, “Al Nusra didn’t come to our village; the people who came were from villages close by, and they were Free Syrian Army.”
 
...Nearly a third of Syria’s Christians, an estimated 600,000, have fled the country. Before the war, Christians accounted for about 10 percent of Syria’s population of 22 million.
And The Daily Beast also confirmed at the time that "nearly all Christians have fled [Yakubiyah] after half a dozen were executed with their heads chopped off and about 20 more were kidnapped" by the US sponsored FSA.

Furthermore, an October 2013 report in Arabic media confirmed that,

Terrorists belonging to al-Nusra front broke into homes in Yakubiyah in Syria's Idlib province, killed a Chrisitan man and destroyed a Virgin Mary statue. Upon arrival at a house that had the statue of virgin Mary, Wahhabi cleric, Omar Gharba' carried the statue of the Virgin Mary after it was taken over by militants from the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) and broke it by throwing it on the ground. He stated that he and his fellow Wahhabis won't tolerate any form of worship except strict Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia.
 
"God willing, Only God will be worshipped in the land of the Levant," the terrorist who destroyed the statue said, noting that "no other idol will be worshiped after these days . We won't accept but the religion of Allah and the Sunnah of our Prophet Mohammed bin Abdullah."
In 2012 and 2013 Omar Gharba's name appeared somewhat frequently in Western news reports as he was interviewed on a few occasions and presented as a "moderate" rebel, for example by BBC Arabic in 2012.

The below video is one such example of Omar Gharba insisting that he and his fellow FSA militants would be tolerant and respectful of Christians and other religious minorities should they inherit power by toppling the Assad government  - though he was subsequently outed as the destroyer of the Virgin Mary statue, as the edit of the video interview makes clear.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvhAd33-u8

And we know the rest of the story well: the media swallowed and presented such lies of FSA rebel commanders wholesale. But in terms of exposing this false history of a "moderate" uprising and revolution in Syria, Trump's tweet could actually serve to educate the public, just not in a way the media would have us believe.

To Trump's credit, he announced last summer that he shut down the CIA program of covert support to rebel factions in Syria. This came after he viewed a gruesome video which showed "moderate" fighters beheading a child which reportedly helped him make the decision.

These yeye Edo people will not bat an eyelid when a Fulani Amir will soon be appointed above their Oba.

TheCabal:
I avoid using either of the holy books in arguments for or against vices/issues our society is experiencing today; because every verse can be logically countered using external references. These books were written by Man, after all.

As providence would bestow, @wirinet has cited "counter" biblical verses here: ^{https://www.nairaland.com/4206996/islam-approves-libyan-slave-markets/2#62860063}.

In my first response, I concluded this thread has nothing to do with the "morality of slavery in either religion".

Your response has corroborated my position. You seem to have veered into politics (the Islamic State) and women's rights in Islam (recommendation on the nos of wives one can marry.)

Islam dictates to the Muslim how to live their lives. The Sharia is not a religious code alone but doubles as the infallible constitution of a Islamic State and from this same Sharia legislature Chattel Slavery is recognised.

If Muslims today believe that both Mohammed, his Koran and the Sharia law are perfect and should be implemented, then you should understand why it is only in majority Muslim states that we are still witnessing Chattel slavery.

kingxsamz:
[color=gray]lol... as long as this is a faceless forum and as long as you don't know me or anything about me,I won't argue with you. [/color]

I will not want to know or associate with you in the real world as I know for sure that you are a Muslim.

TheCabal:
Blowback, Slave trading (trading people for money/goods/services); predates the Catholicism or Islam, even Judaism.

Hence, justifications for and against slave trading, predates either religion and cannot be found in those books alone.

It would be ridiculous to assume, Christianity (whatever form), was the sole advocate on the morality of slavery ; when slavery existed far long before Christianity or Islam.

Like I said, read Graham's book. It is a hundred pages, or thereabout.

Nobody said Mohammed invented Slavery

Only Islam provides the religious manual and justification of enslaving and selling people.

This is my point.

What you saw in Libya was revived by the Islamic State and even our own Boko Shekau cited Koranic references as justification for capturing and selling off Christian school girls.

Off course crime is not limited to Muslims as people who identify as Christians and non-muslims commit one form of crime daily but the simple difference is that they can't draw religious justification from the Bible in raping a woman but Islam gives the Muslim man the divine right to abduct and turn a Christian woman or girl into his personal sex slaves.

Islam also permits Muslim men to have sex slaves apart from their 4 wives.

This is the point I am making!

cstr1000:
Nigga can no longer cope with the facts.

He wants to dilute the thread by baiting you into trading insults where he will probably win with experience.

I don't have time to respond to that low-level troll.

If I switch to my Bishop magic mode he will commit suicide for Allah

kingxsamz:
[color=gray]this is a faceless forum, so u don't know me...and I won't argue with u about whether I'm a christian or not, as long as I've passed my message...good day. [/color]

You are never a Christian!

I know your type very well.

aribisala0:
Your mother will die foaming at the mouth.
if you like come with 100 IDs all of you will perish like Ogun's dog

E don reach like this?

Obviously you can not deny the obvious neither can you defend your prophet and his evil religion.

SalamRushdie:
1

You are not a Christian so stop lying

Any poster on this thread who identifies as a Christian when commenting is a Muslim


They hide behind their Christian claims to disparage Christianity while overlooking Islam's total support for enslaving non-Muslins.

This is Muslim shilling 101 and it is known as Taqiyya where Muslims are encouraged to deny their faith when in the midst of non-muslims.

TheCabal:
Catholic liberal here. I disagree with your "opinions" and methodology.

Most of your writings are heavily biased. This is a confrontation on Islam, and not a examination or presentation of your findings in regards to slavery in religion.

In fact, this entire thread is not about the ethics or morality of slavery.

In every post @Blowback makes, he attempts to whitewash christianity .

When in fact Catholics and Muslims have and still are engaged in slavery.

What is slavery? Are their types of slavery? How are slaves acquired? How do they get there?

If you really want to examine slavery, in so doing extricate one religion from culpability, you must place each religion side by side and do so.

@Blowback is drawing evidence from words/recommendations written a thousand years ago, which nobody is obligated to follow.

He ignores the economic aspect. Would "buying and selling" slave thrive, if it were unprofitable?

Blowback seems to have read a history books but he/she is obviously deficient in logic.

I suggest Graham Priest's, Logic - A short introduction.

The simple question to ask is:

Did the Trans-Atlantic slave trade by Europeans draw divine inspiration and justification from the Christian Bible just as the Muslim Arab slavers drew from Islamic teachings and the life of Mohammed their Prophet?

Aribisala0, come and defend your islam in your usual way of attacking Christianity while claiming to be an atheist.

sangresan:
So,where is the 'oil palm' house in Enugu and Calabar?....Illiteracy is when you posted figures for just two years and start beating your chest...These people are mere noise makers..They should let us rest.

This is like asking why there is no NNPC HQ in the Niger Delta.

Oil palm was not a significant revenue earner for the western Region. Stop claiming sh1t

aribisala0:
ATTACK Now I will attack

Your mother is crazy she will die barking

bow out of this thread and stop making a fool of yourself

Total nonsense.

You don't need a trafficker to cross the border into Niger Republic and there are daily commercial vehicles within Niger to take you from Zinder to Agadez.

It is from Agadez that Bedouin and Toureg traffickers are contracted to cross the desert into Libya.

The land route to Europe via Libya is exclusively controlled by Arab criminal gangs both in Northern Niger Republic and libya.

The Nigerian trafficking network is only in Spain, Cyprus and Italy were Edo Pimps arrange for travel documents and airfares for their Edo sisters.

Stop trying to defend your Arab masters.

aribisala0:
Your mother will choke and cough to death

Typical

aribisala0:
I really do not have time to educate imbeciles.Too busy

Only an arrogant fool will resort to insults when he loses an argument.

Admit that your failure to rely on comparative analysis between Christianity and Islam to justify Islam's approval of slavery has failed woefully.

aribisala0:
Shut up
That is a rant
not proof.,
6 million Jews were killed by Christians

And well over 40million Africans died crossing the Sahara destined for the slave auctions of Arabia.

aribisala0:
I am nether a Muslim, a Muslim scholar nor Muslim lawyer.
6 million Jews were killed by Christians in Europe

Some more free online education for you...

Adolf Hitler admired Muslims

You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

Source: Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, pg. 115


Does this sound like a Christian?

Hitler was not a spiritual man although he was known to be highly superstitious but Hitler was a pragmatic man who saw religion as a mass controlling tool.

From his own book, he stated his hatred for Christianity and his adoration of Islam.

Can you now honestly say that Hitler acted out his Christian faith when killing the Jews where we can see how he praised Islam?

Bloody liar!

aribisala0:
I am nether a Muslim, a Muslim scholar nor Muslim lawyer.
6 million Jews were killed by Christians in Europe

Some History…..

Muslims join Hitler in World War II

https://fortressoffaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Haj-Amin-al-Husseini-and-Adolf-Hitler.jpg
Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, on November 28, 1941, at the Reich Chancellery in Berlin.


Bullet points of the Official Record of that meeting —

The Mufti opened stating that Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper.

The Mufti explained how the Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews and the Communists.

They discussed about the freedom of the Arabs from the British and the elimination of the Jewish national home.

Some discussion on the formation of an Arab Legion.

Hitler spoke of Germany being engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia.

Hitler will help in recruiting Muslims to the Reich’s cause (Bosnian and Turkish troops)

Germany appointed the Mufti to lead the SS 13th Waffen Mountain Division in the Balkans.

Also the Mufti with German authority will open the “Islamic central institute” in Berlin.

aribisala0:
I am nether a Muslim, a Muslim scholar nor Muslim lawyer.
6 million Jews were killed by Christians in Europe

Hitler adored Islam and he shared the same level of hatred which the Arab Muslim holds against the Jews.


One can even say that the Arab Muslim hatred and Islam's condemnation of the Jews further radicalised Hitler.

Hitler was also motivated to commit his genocide on the Jews after reviewing the Muslim Genocide of Armenian Christians and Jews by the Turkish Islamic State. Hitler stated "who remembers the Armenian genocide " that occurred just a few years before the start of WW2 as valid ground that he and his Nazi collaborators will get away scot-free from murdering Jews in the millions.

So my naive illiterate Muslim, Islam helped to shape Hitler's radical stance against the Jews of Europe.

aribisala0:
I can see you are losing the argument and want to try diversion.
Won't work.
You are programmed for argument with Muslims.The reality is both of you are slaves of foreign religions
Fact still remains that Muslims started the trade in black people Christians industrialized it to a very brutal and callous level.
That can not be rewritten

You have refused to stick to the topic which is that Islam and it's prophet condoned the act of slavery.

Rather you chose to attack Christianity by claiming that Christianity supported slavery as justification for the barbaric acts committed by your Arab Muslim masters.

And yes you are a blatant liar to deny your Muslim religion where it is clear from your line of reasoning (or total lack of for that matter) that points to the fact that you are a bloody taqiyya lying Muslim.

aribisala0:
They hate Jews all across Europe stop kidding yourself.
The form of your intelligence is anyone who challenges your foolishness must be a Muslim?
Don't Muslims claim Abraham the father of Jews and Moses are prophets of Islam.

The truth is all of you African Christians and Muslims are completely misguided and deluded

Antisemitism in secular Europe is not a Christian obligation as there is no call to hate the Jew in the Bible unlike in Islam where it is explicitly stated to kill the Jews which so happens to be the last words of Mohammed in his death bed.

aribisala0:
It was inspired by Christian Religion in exactly the same way that Islam inspires terrorism Boko Haram and such like.

The hate for Jews was a very "Christian" thing

How can Christians hate the Jew when the Lord of Christians was a Jew?

All the apostles of Christ were Jews and it was the Jews that spread the word of Christ.

You are obviously a blind Muslim

aribisala0:
I am not a Muslim so I cannot speak for Muslims. Christianity is based on the Bible not only Jesus> Did Jesus own private Jets or Universities?
When the tithe argument was raging you tell us Abraham paid tithe.
Did Abraham own slaves? Or you will tell us he was not a Christian so what he did does not count?

Stop denying your Muslim faith.

is the current auctioning of your fellow black Africans by Arab Muslims in Libya related to the profiteering scammers known as Christian prophets of gold?

If I was to choose between donating 10percent of my earnings towards Oyedopo's Private jet fund or get my ass sold off to work in a modern day Arab plantation in Libya which do you think I will prefer?

aribisala0:
There is no evidence it was "SPEARHEADED " by Christians. That is nonsense! Was the slavery itself not spearheaded by Christians?

Those who fought against slavery were atheist,Christians and so on, avery diverse bunch indeed. Did the abolition movement operate in the name of any church?
Is it not "Christians" that killed 6 million Jews?

The fact remains that the abolition of slavery was NOT the work of Muslims.

The holocaust you mentioned was not carried out or inspired by the Christian religion.

You can twist it anyhow you please but the fact remains that Islam, the Quaran, Mohammed and the entire Muslim ummah approve of the enslavement of non-muslims

Sirjamo:
Jesus did not had much authority, his territory was under the control of the Roman empire, remember how they drag him to the cross and nailed him, he couldn't have been able to own a slave even if he'd like to.

This is utter rubbish.


Mohammed became rich and powerful through his criminal and terrorist enterprise other wise known as Islam

Mohammed is even quoted in the Koran as saying :I have become victorous through Terror".

FRESHG:
MY DEAR EWEDU MUSLIM BROTHER TRY TO READ FIRST BEFORE YOU COMMENT

If only he knew how his cowardly great grand father converted to Islam will he still be defending Islam?

proudlyYoruba:
What do you intend to achieve this? Will blaming a religion stop the next harvest of human parts in Libya? In our very own Nigeria, people of different religion own maids. Sir pls lets be civil some churches in England and Europe were built with slaves labour.

The Europeans never used religion to justify the enslavement of Africans rather they justified the enslavement of millions of Africans citing contemporary scientific views mainly drawn from the Darwin evolutionary theory.

It was Christian values that put an end to the European slave trade.

And it is very important that we revist Islam when discussing the latest Libyan slave auctions. Because it is only Muslims that have so far engaged in this dastardly act.

From Shekau boasting of selling abducted Christian school girls in slave markets to the Islamic State auctioning of captured Christian, Yazidi and Shia women to the existing slave markets in Mauritania.

Muslims have no problem against slavery a their quaran justifies capturing and selling off of Kafirs.

aribisala0:
You are rewriting history.
Both Religions have sanctioned slavery at various times.
Millions of Black fol would not be in the Americas if Christianity did not sanction it

Jesus unlike Mohammed never owned slaves or traded slaves.

Jesus never promoted Slavery and never took part in slave raids or dealt in slaves.

Never has Christianity being used to justify slavery as Christianity does NOT approve of nor sanction the practice of slavery.

FACTS!