₦airaland Forum

helinues:
It's not matured yet. Even states within region hardly work together not to talk of some states which can't match up with the other states in the same region .

Let each state put their acts together, let's states within region start partnership development projects, that's when the bill would be feasible.

Lol your argument doesn't make sense. The stated don't work together because there's no reason to as seprete entities. The only time state will choose to work together is if they have contractual agreement 🤝. If they regions then obviously they work together under the same entity.

If you want to be against it argue about historical reason for states splitting up. Akwa Ibom lobbied to break away from Cross River. The regions were fragmenting anyway. If the issues are economic that another argument.

helinues:
That's where the problem lies. Most people are more concerned about Labour's minimum wage proposal without considering other sectors.

What's the population of all the government workers compared to those who worked in private sectors. Even the said government workers are mostly ghost workers

Oh well they will learn their lessons eventually 🤷🏿 when the are not hired sacked. Employers can only justify paying you if you're profitable in the private sector. The public sector will take your tax naira. Until the Federal government wises up to the shake down or gets inflation under control they will have this fight every decade.

helinues:
How much do you think would be reasonable and considerable enough to be the minimum basic wage in Nigeria?

I don't know or care. That conversation is between employee and employer. If I have to guess 80k-100k 🤷🏿.

helinues:
Then let them have different minimum wage instead of using the general one that others won't abide by

The government sets the minimum wage. They should just enforce their laws. Acting like the government is powerless is silly. The don't abide because the FG chooses not to prosecute. This issue is handled easily in the United States how I stated. Nigerians just like making simple issues complicated.

Note the federal miminum wage in the USA is $7.25/hr.

helinues:
Let FG have their own standard minimum wage, NGF also decide on which minimum wage they can pay and also the private sectors coming up with what they can pay.

What's exactly is the purpose of increasing minimum wage which should be standard but states and Private sectors always use different minimum wage. States that are still paying N18K means they don't use minimum wage, some private sectors pay as low as N10k as minimum wage like security work.

The answer is the labor unions lobbying the federal government on the matter. They want an increase across the board for obvious reasons. The federal government doesn't have to adjust the minimum wage to adjust its pay rate. The federal government officials aren't clever enough to kick the issue to the states telling labor to negotiate with their state representatives. States can set wages higher than the federal minimum. (Adjust the laws to state such if they dont)

The reason states get away with pay below minimum wage is because the Federal government won't enforce the law. Nobody is going to fined or put in jail. If they were they would obey the law. The consequences will be increased taxes or sacking. The private sector do whatever their legally obligated to do because labor courts will go after them.

TopBanter:
Okay I am "lying". Ironically, you are first to veer off course to allege forcefully that perpetrators of terror are Nigerian with your post below.

I only responded saying , as all Nigerians know and accept beyond any shadow of doubt, that foreign operatives are involved.

Yet your only focus here, on a thread many considerations join together, is an insistence that all those terrorising Nigeria are exclusively Nigerians.

Who/what are you bro and what is your mission because you are yet to concern yourself with the central issue of accusations that Nigeria itself, through partisan use of political and armed forces power, abets terrorism against itself.

That issue seems to matter nothing to you. Only the much lesser and inconsequential consideration of where terrorist come from, unimportant the grand scheme of thing as pertains to thread topic, is your central wahala.

There's nothing alleged about Nigerians being the source of terrorism. It's confirmed by the surrender and police. These are facts unlike your baseless acquisitions of foreigners. When you where given the chance to present evidence you turned pussy and away from the challenge. You're still yet to post anything 🙄 how pathetic while I posted my evidence to your challenge.

Nigerian government officials recruits Nigerians terrorist. The same government officials ask for amnesty. You want me to make a surprise 😮 face to the obvious admission. There's nothing shocking to anyone about this admission.

He said "Bello Turji, let me warn you. Niger is not like Nigeria, in Nigeria you're enjoying protection from the authorities; because in Nigeria, unlike here in Niger, troops require express permission and/or orders to shoot.

Why else do you think shoot on sight orders are given every few months.

TopBanter:
Okay I am "lying".

No need for the quotes you were lying. At best, you can admit you're running your mouth with no evidence to back up your claims.

TopBanter:
Can you verify the 'Nigerians' origin of those granted amnesty? Bro no need for any toxic back and forth.

Simlly Look closely at the Minister of Interior's focus on ensuring Nigerian citizenship does not continue to end up in the wrong hands to note what is really going on that does not have to be spelled out for Nigerians truly informed beyond the surface rhetoric all sides put in the public domain.

There's nothing toxic about calling out your lies. If you had evidence you would post it. Stop lying 🤥 the police already confirmed these repentant bandits are Nigerians. People like you with short memories are the issue. Don't change the subject if you have proof any of these bandits are foreigners post it. Post the evidence of you're just lying.

Asked whether the window of amnesty is still open for bandits willing to surrender, the minister said, “When you talk of amnesty, it is a relative term and what the Federal Government is trying to say is that: Let us see those who have surrendered their arms, let us listen to them, let us chronicle them, let us receive them, we cannot just throw these people away because they are all Nigerians.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/repentant-bandits-are-nigerians-fg-has-responsibility-to-reintegrate-them-minister/%3famp

TopBanter:
Dont get it twisted bro. Nigerian perpetrators may be the leaders but many foreign foot soldiers have been drafted into the fight to enshrine religious fundamentalism and terrorism as a staple diet for all corners of Nigeria.

Ok post your evidence or you're lying. How many foreigners have been caught and prosecuted? Where are they from? Nigeria were giving repentant bandits and terrorists amnesty how many foreigners were among them? I'm sure these people have names and faces.

Sapasenator:
In as much as I may agree with you if passed into law, patriotism will be the least of the requirements if govt insists. Also, I would recommend some forms of compensation adequate enough to entice people. It would be a very good training for our men.

Just curious have you joined the military yet? I'd the answer is no what's stopping you?

Lol, mumus will tell you these bandits and Boko Haram are foreigners. Everything there's a credible report on the matter all the evidence tells you they're Nigerians.

Sapasenator:
I will flee if I do not want to be drafted or get a medical report of some " bonespur" illness like Donald Trump in the US who escaped the draft. But most people will definitely comply. We need to do something urgently about insecurities as farmers are even afraid to attend their farms. Food prices will hit the roof soonest

This youth are already disgruntled as is. The End SARS riots might be a joke in comparison. Forcing them on to the battle field to in other states is a bad idea. Volunteers military aren't volatile like unmotivated conscripts. There's always the option of liberalization of gun laws for civilians and decentralized police. I already laid out how the latter will essentially kill the farmers herdsmen issue on my most recent thread.

Blue3k:
In the next 5 years state policing will be passed into law. States that have already banned open grazing will enforce their laws. More states will ban open grazing in the south. The federal government in an effort to be neutral on the issue won't accept herdsmen in their jails since it doesn't violate federal law. The states enforcing open grazing laws will be first to establish their own prisons.

The herdsmen will eventually have to establish Ranches up north. They will ship the beef south via rail or trucks. The herdsmen will become settled and their culture will change as a result.

Sapasenator:
You pay if you break the law, There will be specified punishment's. There will be exceptions for individuals that have medical conditions.

Exactly, so the question is are you willing break the law by dodging the draft. Drafts aren't requests they're demands by the state. Lol anyone who doesn't want to fight will either flee the country, go to university or jail. This youth are already disgruntled as is. The End SARS riots might be a joke in comparison.

Does anyone own it?

Sapasenator:
How come pls enlighten me. Do I have to break the law if drafted?

You break the law if you dodge the draft. You're asking for mandatory conscription. How exactly is that enforced without fines and jail time?

Sapasenator:
Everyone should pick up the gun and defend the motherland, we cannot allow few individuals to hold the country hostage.

are you willing to join the army if drafted?

Lol if you're drafted it's not a choice. The better question is are you willing to break the law. If the start drafting people they will have revolts like they never seen.

Kanixt:
Governors used ghostworkers list to steal government money in billions more than those in issued contracts.

The only solution here is; independent functioning of three tiers of government can put to rest all these theft done by the governmorS in the name of salary

I think you're over thinking the solution. The federal government just has to enforce the law regarding miminum wage. Miminum wage laws are on the exclusive list. Anyone who fails to comply with laws should be punished with fines or prison time including state government officials.

Obviously this will lead to new csn of words. The state governments will choose between raise taxes to pay or cuts to workforce. Neither option will make them popular in the next election. If they're stealing enough money to pay the wage bill maybe they will use it cover minimum wage until the next demand comes to raise the bill. Then they're back to raising taxes or cutting staff.

DMerciful:
5yrs just to implement state police? Thats extremely slow!

State government move extremely slow when they have to foot the bill. Just look at state prisons or minimum was. Not one state has implemented state prisons because the Federal government hasn't forced the issue. The states will likely drag their feet or just rely on Federal police because of the wage bill.

I implied but didn't directly state that I believe the Federal open grazing bill will fail. I would like it to succeed, but I don't think it will go anywhere. If it passes into law the federal government will imprison herdsmen. Who knows what the incentive will be for states to build prisons if the federal government doesn't stop accepting state law offenders.

Emodeee:
Cooked up story.

People are ready to believe anything.

gidgiddy:
In every country, the South is always richer than the North


True or false?

It's not true. It depends on the time period, geography and economy of country were discussing. In the 1800s the north was richer that the south in America. I'm not sure if that's the case today.

Whalis:
I don't know others you said but I have met someone who participated in the war that said their war vessels were being manned by British in Bonny. He said it was a Nigerian naval vessel but the British Naval personnel were in charge of shelling Biafra from there. He said it was a secret. This I am sure of.

A nameless veteran said there's British soldiers. I don't believe you or him until he goes on record. Plenty of veterans of the war high ranking are alive who mention no such thing. Most of the documents around that time are declassified and mention no British soldiers actively manning blockage.

Lol ask them why they're rape capital of the 🌎. This was not the case when apartheid regime kept their boots on their necks.

Macdeey:
It's simply going to end in Bloodshed!!! The truth is that our leaders are still not ready to tackle the issue realistically !!!

Do you believe the status quo will remain after the bloodshed? I believe things will different when states have a police force. They will have an incentive to fight crime. I could be wrong they could be equally lazy and inept like federal cops setting up Check points to extort motorists .

gidgiddy:
It's not going to be as easy as that. Setting up a ranch is not cheap. Also, the nomadic life of the herdsman is all he knows. Telling such a person to settle down in one locality is not going to go down well with someone who has practiced such life for centuries

Also, the herdsman are armed with automatic guns. If state Police are not armed to that level, forget it

How do you predict it's going to end? My scenario doesn't assume it's going to be peaches and cream. It doesn't have to be cheap or easy. I don't assume it will be the same poor herdsmen establishing the Ranches. Other entrepreneurs will invest if there's money to be made.

It doesn't have to go down well. The jails are there for them if they cause trouble. Nobody is going to tell them to settle down. If they're nomadic to herd cattle when that option is gone they will have to change eventually. Nothing is stopping states from buying automatic weapons. Lol if they want to battle to the death with the new state police governor might have to start signing death Warrants again. That would be great 👍.

In the next 5 years state policing will be passed into law. States that have already banned open grazing will enforce their laws. More states will ban open grazing in the south. The federal government in an effort to be neutral on the issue won't accept herdsmen in their jails since it doesn't violate federal law. The states enforcing open grazing laws will be first to establish their own prisons.

The herdsmen will eventually have to establish Ranches up north. They will ship the beef south via rail or trucks. The herdsmen will become settled and their culture will change as a result.

Ps: Check in 5 years and let me know I'm wrong.

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The state government did deem it necessary. There's nothing stopping them from building it accept bad press and complaints from certain parties. This situation is similar to the lack of history education. There was no force stopping states from funding history teachers and buying books.

Here's a confederate monuments in Austin Texas.

Lol, why do you need four drivers. Better yet, drive yourself to work. These allowances need to be slashed and jobs cut.

malali:

Feeding a cow for 2 years is not upfront cost ?
Do not trivialize the capital intensity.
I still think designated grazing routes away from farmlands are a more feasible option.

It's a recurring cost that would have to be done. You're not going to buy two years of food upfront 😒. Building the ranch, I'd the major upfront cost. Irrigation for the hayfields will be. If they don't care to do that, they will buy hay from a farmer who supplies them.

Herding is going away just like the cowboy cattle drives. Even if the federal government doesn't do this. States have already banned open grazing. If and when state police happen, their business model is dead.

malali:
Our local breeds are more disease resistant
If you use $100 to produce $150 of beef
Compared to using $20 to produce $120 of beef and selling cheaper beef to Nigerians.
Which is better ?

Nobody asked you to change breeds of cattle. Lol the notion the herders are that profitable is hilarious. If you're making so much profit, then a ranch shouldn't hurt that much. It's one big upfront cost. If they are profitable like you're suggesting they shouldn't be hungry like you stressed to be earlier.

malali:
If USA with all its genetics modification and hybrid produces beef at $7.25
Nigerians will not be able to buy beef if the price doubled to $5.00
All these people online shouting and cursing would complain with more anger.
Ranching is expensive but we all love to eat affordable Suya

GMO cows were approved two years ago. What's wrong with hybrid beef? I dont care if it's a pure bred. Why do you assume the price will double over ranching? It's already assumed the ranchers will be more productive meaning more beef production. Then theirs always the option of allowing more imports to keep prices competitive. When the supply increases the price will drop.

malali:
Beef is a world commodity, you seem like an exposed person
I want you to compare the price of beef in USA, Brazil and China
Compare it with beef in Nigerian market.
Tell me which is cheaper and by how many percentage ?
Then tell me if you still prefer ranching to open grazing.

ABeef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat

$7.25 🇺🇸

$2.41 🇳🇬

I prefer ranching because I get more beef at a cheaper price than you relative to income. Ranchers are more productive 💪 compared to Nigerian herders. There's less conflict. I don't see how Nigerians are better off. The cost of living is cheaper in Nigeria in general but income is much lower.