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Maximus69:
The underlined is your PERSONAL assumption my friend!

Christians are no longer under the old covenant!

But if you still want to continue with the old covenant, it's OK.

Continue with it. What Apostle Paul (the Apostle chosen by Jesus himself to connect Gentiles to Christianity) said is "NOBODY should mandate any particular day for us, neither festival, celebration of the moon or SABBATH DAY" Colossians 2:16

We worship our own God not grudgingly but from a pure heart, and we CHOOSE the day and time convenient for us because we fully understand the person we worship "JEHOVAH" and he himself understands us!

Here is evidence that Noah,Abraham,Jacob and the ancient World all knew Gods law.

Apostle John says it has been existing from the beginning.
commandments has been existing since the beginning of the World.


2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Maximus69:
The underlined is your PERSONAL assumption my friend!

Christians are no longer under the old covenant!

But if you still want to continue with the old covenant, it's OK.

Continue with it. What Apostle Paul (the Apostle chosen by Jesus himself to connect Gentiles to Christianity) said is "NOBODY should mandate any particular day for us, neither festival, celebration of the moon or SABBATH DAY" Colossians 2:16

We worship our own God not grudgingly but from a pure heart, and we CHOOSE the day and time convenient for us because we fully understand the person we worship "JEHOVAH" and he himself understands us!

Tell me how Christains will be righteous without walking in God's commandments?

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.



John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Maximus69:
The underlined is your PERSONAL assumption my friend!

Christians are no longer under the old covenant!

But if you still want to continue with the old covenant, it's OK.

Continue with it. What Apostle Paul (the Apostle chosen by Jesus himself to connect Gentiles to Christianity) said is "NOBODY should mandate any particular day for us, neither festival, celebration of the moon or SABBATH DAY" Colossians 2:16

We worship our own God not grudgingly but from a pure heart, and we CHOOSE the day and time convenient for us because we fully understand the person we worship "JEHOVAH" and he himself understands us!

Which old covenant? You think the new covenant will save you?
Even in the New covenant the law still applies to all Christians.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


Stop misquoting Paul, when you read that Bible verse and its entire context you will understand that Paul is referring to fastings and Sabbaths days which were ceremonial feasts and not the weekly sabbath day.


The same Paul spoke about a sabbath rest for all Christians.


Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You think you can enter Heaven without keeping the commandments?


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

You claim The law of God the 10commandments were not know to men until mount Sinai.

Then explain to me how Jacob knew that Idol worship was Sin against God

Genesis 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: Genesis 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem. Genesis 35:5 And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

The Sabbath was meant for the worship God.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD


Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


The reason why we should worship God is because he is the o e that made the Heavens,Earth and the waters.

And the sabbath is a sign or evidence of that, been also the longest commandment.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

shadeyinka:
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sanc​ti​fy

verb

sanc·​ti·​fy

 | \ ˈsaŋ(k)-tə-ˌfī  \

sanc​ti​fied; sanc​ti​fy​ing

Collegiate Definition

transitive ​verb

1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE

2: to free from sin : PURIFY

3a: to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to

b: to give moral or social sanction to

4: to make productive of holiness or pietyobserve the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it— Deuteronomy 5:12 (Douay Version)

Synonyms & Antonyms

Synonyms

bless, consecrate, hallow, sacralize

Antonyms

deconsecrate, desacralize, desanctify

Examples

The priest sanctified their marriage.

The constitution sanctified the rights of the people.

First Known Use

14th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1

History and Etymology

Middle English seintefien, sanctifien, from Anglo-French seintefier, sanctifier, from Late Latin sanctificare, from Latin sanctus sacred — more at SAINT


verb

\ ˈbles  \

blessed \ ˈblest  \ also blest \ ˈblest  \ ; bless​ing

Collegiate Definition

transitive ​verb

1religion : to hallow or consecrate by religious rite or wordasked the priest to bless their marriageBless this home.

2religion : to hallow with the sign of the crossHe blessed himself before liftoff.

3: to invoke divine care forbless your heart—used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed

4a: PRAISE, GLORIFYbless his holy name

b: to speak well of : APPROVE

5: to confer prosperity or happiness uponGod has blessed us with four children.

6archaic : PROTECT, PRESERVEBless me from marrying a usurer!— Shakespeare

7: ENDOW, FAVORblessed with athletic ability

Synonyms & Antonyms

Synonyms

carol, celebrate, emblazon, exalt, extol (also extoll), glorify, hymn, laud, magnify, praise, resound

We all know that God blessed and Sanctified the Sabbath day.

Is there any other day that is written that it was blessed and sanctified other than the Sabbath day?

I have added the meaning of blessed and sanctified to make the point clearer.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.


Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Even in Heaven the Sabbath will still remain a day set outside for worship.

If God blesses anything that thing remains blessed forever.

1 Chronicles 17:27 Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

you cannot worship God anyhow you deem fit God only accepts worship done according to his instructions.

Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

MuttleyLaff:
"Then Jesus declared,
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
(i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,
and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)"
- Mark 2:27

Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol

"Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths,
(i.e. Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)"
- Colossians 2:16

"And after the sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."
- Matthew 28:1

Now, my two beloved, lovingly dear loggerhead with each other brothers shadeyinka and blueAgent, locking horns on the matter of when is Sabbath in regards to being Saturday, Sunday or whatever day, let me draw an image to conjure up a picture in your minds to illustrate, whats going on here. I remember, when young and growing up as a child or kid, lights out was 9pm or 21:00 hours. This means, whether, I feel like it or not, whether I want to or not, it meant it was bedtime. It was not open to discussion, no debates, no arguments, it just was not negotiable other than I have to be in bed by 9pm or 21:00 hours, BUT, lol, when I finally came of age, when I transitioned from childhood to adulthood, when I have developed completely and reached maturity, I didnt necessarily have to stick to that 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime seemingly unarbitrary order, lol.

The 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order, lol, was made for me and my siblings, not my siblings and I for the 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order. It was a laid down rule, set there for our needs, not us for its needs. Our needs, like for example, to refreshen our tired bodies, you of course, know when we were kids, how full of beans and/or energy we are, growing u, jumping up here and there, rolling and runnning up all over the place, tumbling down the hill etcetera.

The long and short of the nolstagic story, is that, now that we are grown, now that we've matured in sense, wisdom and become disciplined. sometimes we go to bed before 9pm or 21:00 hours, after 9pm or 21:00 hours, at 9pm or 21:00 hours and surprisingly, maybe with lights on, lol. The reality now, is that the hard and fast rule is no more there. At my age, it is now flexible, is what Colossians 2:16 above is saying, and no man can judge me for when and how I choose to have my rest (i.e. sabbath)

By the way, the plural sabbath in Colossians 2:16 and Matthew 28:1 above, this particularly serving as a fao of another brother, going by the moniker name Donnie, is not talking about the seventh day rest but all days of rest which includes the seventh day (i.e. Saturday). There are sabbaths that dont fall on the Saturday, but actually do fall during the week and/or in mid week, lol.

What are we saying here, what is the point made here, lol brethren blueAgent, shadeyinka and my dear pleasing and warm-hearted Donnie, lol, it is that the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship Him that way, lol (i.e. John 4:23) For God has qualified us and made us competent as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, lol (i.e. 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Another quick one, before I close on this. I confidently am sure, each one of you knows about the implication of double solid white lines on our roads, lol. You know about obeying the letter of the double solid white lines law behind it, lol. What of, when to obey the spirit of the double solid white lines law, lol?

As a rule of thumb, I simply don't tell people what to think, I let and/or leave them to think and/or see things out for themselves, lol. I beam a high powered torchlight out for them to see things, the subject, its shape, the intricate body outlines etcetera, what's under the bonnet, whats in the boot, what in the engine, lol by themselves. The time is now, if ever there is a time, to rightly divided the Word of truth. There is no better time than right now for the truth to prevail. It's just heart breaking to watch and see that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark. Smh, brings mist to my eyes, all this. There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates, sheds light upon something for people to clearly see and the glare that obscures because people squint and shut their eyes, as the truth is too harsh for their eyes to see with, lol.

Stop dragging us back with your long story.

The purpose of the sabbath has not changed , which is the creation of the Universe so therefore its function cannot also change.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

You see your hypocrisy?

If Abel and Cain can learn by instincts to give sacrifices, why can they learn to observe the Sabbath through that same instincts?

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

Will God have multiple days of worship?

How will the body of Christ be united if all the Denomination decides to pick their own day?

The Sabbath was made for all men, it should be observed now and will be observed for eternity.


Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

56:8 The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Jesus also confirmed this.

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

Do you know that God's purpose was for all nations to learn from the Israelites and became like them?
That includes worshipping God and obeying his commandments.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

Stop confusing yourself.

Your argument has been exposed.

Mary and the disciples of Jesus still kept the sabbath after the death of Jesus.

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.


The Gentiles(other nations) with the Jews also kept the sabbath.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Larryndelaw:
The only people that will apply is Africans. American wants to steal their brains even when all the countries over the world is battling with these epidemics.

Brains?

I laugh joker.

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

The 1000yrs will be for judgment not teaching.


Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Maximus69:
(1) Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden, their children can see the two angels standing right there at the entrance of the garden with the flaming sword turning itself speedily, their parents no doubt would have told them why they were thrown out of the Paradisiac garden.
Of course the children would always think of what they can do to reconcile with the owner of the garden! The Bible never recorded any further discussion between God and the first human couple after the event in Eden, therefore Cain and Abel used their instinct to think of how they can regain what their parents lost! That's why they both presented gifts before the owner of the garden. The Bible never mentioned anything about a Sabbath or whether the gifts were offered on a Sabbath!

Since it wasn't WRITTEN, and people from all the nations do worship one way or another, it's evident that God created us with the desire to worship. So it's doesn't necessarily mean it must be on a Sabbath, but one thing is certain:- God is pleased when his worshipers are ORGANIZED!

See story telling!!!!!.

beeblack:
Guy you killed the whole family

Lol.....May this be the portion of all my enemies.

shadeyinka:
I didn't say the bolded. Please check my posts.

I have only said that no one is saved by the observance of the law. I also make no distinction between the 10 commandments and the ones you call the law of Moses.

The laws can be divided into
1. Ceremonial laws
2. Cleanliness laws
3. Laws against transgressions

The laws against transgressions/iniquities hold everyone until Jesus comes AND these are not relative.

The law of Christ compels me to live a holy life without the law on my neck.

Are you aware that in Saudi Arabia, Christians exist but no churches so that observance of Saturday is not possible?

Are you aware that in UAE, churches meet on Friday?

By your theology, they are guilty of not observing the Sabbath and so candidates of hell fire.

Sin is sin: it is not excusable!

Another point I want to get across to you is that, while God wants us to observe the sabbath day, that is to cease from our own works and to worship him.

He knows it cannot be perfectly done in this our fallen state.

E.g on a sabbath day it would be impossible for everyone to attend service because there are certain professions that cannot stop working 24hrs 365days example the police force, oil refinery, Oil rigs offshore, emergency personnel's e.t.c even the taxi one will board in order to get to his or her Church will not be available if we all observed the sabbath at the same time, that does not mean that Sunday is acceptable, No.

Rather am trying to show you the reality of the situation

Jesus knew about this that was why he rebuked the Pharisees who questioned him for doing good(healing)on the sabbath day.

What God expects is that we try as much as possible to avoid work or any activity that would cause us to miss the sabbath day.
Secondly work activities on the sabbath for unavoidable services can be reduced to the smallest possible size.

Workers in such establishment can still pray together worship and praise God.

shadeyinka:
I didn't say the bolded. Please check my posts.

I have only said that no one is saved by the observance of the law. I also make no distinction between the 10 commandments and the ones you call the law of Moses.

The laws can be divided into
1. Ceremonial laws
2. Cleanliness laws
3. Laws against transgressions

The laws against transgressions/iniquities hold everyone until Jesus comes AND these are not relative.

The law of Christ compels me to live a holy life without the law on my neck.

Are you aware that in Saudi Arabia, Christians exist but no churches so that observance of Saturday is not possible?

Are you aware that in UAE, churches meet on Friday?

By your theology, they are guilty of not observing the Sabbath and so candidates of hell fire.

Sin is sin: it is not excusable!

God knew that things like this will come up, I mean Muslims and other factors that limit worship on the sabbath day, he knows and that did not stop him from setting aside the Sabbath day as the day of worship.

No one who truly repents of his sin will go to Hell because he unknownly broke the sabbath day commandments. but God is calling people to observe it especially in this last days, it becomes an obligation.

If the Sabbath day have been observed by generations from Adam time this issue of different religions and their different gods and day of worship would not have existed and that is the purpose of the sabbath.

To remind us of creator of Heaven and Earth which is God and to be a day we meet and worship him.


Exodus 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


As you can see worship of God is directly related to the sabbath commandments.


Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The sabbath is a seal or identity of the creator God.

remember that God says the sabbath is a sign between him and the Israelites forever.


Can something that last for ever be abolished?

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

shadeyinka:
Lk10:25 was about loving the Lord your God

Deu 6:5: "And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Deu 11:1: "Therefore you shall love the LORD your God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always."

Deu 11:22: "For if you shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to join to him;"

Deu 19:9: "If you shall keep all these commandments to do them, which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shall you add three cities more for you, beside these three:"

Deu 30:16: "In that I command you this day to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply: and the LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it."

Lk18:18 is about the 10 commandments Exo20.


The 10 commandments has nothing about love.

Different things!

Its obvious you are a liar or just playing pranks.

I gave you 2 bible verses were a man came to meet Jesus and asked him what is required to gain eternal life and Jesus told him to Love God with all his heart and to love his neighbors Luke10:25.

In Luke 18:18 We see another man asking Jesus of what is required to inherit eternal life and Jesus answered him.
Luke 8:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Its obvious that Jesus was quoting the 10commandments.

Moral lesson from this, is that the 10commandments is the same as the 2commandments to love God and ones neighbor.

That's while Jesus said that both hang on the laws and prophets.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



They were not new commandments entirely but summary of the 10.
As you can see all the commandments of love are all tied to the fulfillment or obeying of the law.

Here.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Maximus69:
Please spare me any story now and don't fabricate anything here my friend.

Jehovah (Yahweh) never waited for a week before he punished Israelites who began worshiping the golden calf!

And he did not wait for a month before killing 24,000 of them when they committed fornication with midianite women!

You claim that the law was not known to Abraham,Noah and the ancient people before Sinai.

You were insinuating that Abraham did not keep the sabbath because it was not written literally.

But the fact is that, how did Abel and Cain know that they were suppose to sacrifice to God if they were not told by God?

If we agree that God gave them the instruction even though it was not clearly written, then while is it impossible and illogical for you to believe that Adam,Eve, Abraham , Noah and all others kept the sabbath day and obeyed all of God's commandments?

shadeyinka:
Jesus said the law given by Moses is the greatest of the commandments. Do you not subscribe to this?

If Jesus is true and you believe Him, then you have agreed that the law of Moses is superior to that written by the fingers of God!

Long before Sinai, God specially blessed Abraham, the "father of the
faithful" ( Romans 4:11 ), because "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My
charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws" ( Genesis 26:5 ).
So Abraham certainly understood and obeyed the Ten Commandments.
Since the Ten Commandments were God's holy and spiritual laws, He
proclaimed them with great power and, unlike the rest of the covenant,
wrote them with His own hand. Notice the setting in Exodus 19. God
commanded the people to clean themselves up and be ready against the
third day when He would come down to them (vv. 10–11). "Then it came
to pass on the third day, in the morning, that there were thunderings and
lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain; and the sound of the
trumpet was very loud, so that all the people who were in the camp
trembled" (v. 16). God was here showing His power as the Creator of this
earth as He began to speak with His own voice the Ten Commandments!
As the Creator Himself descended upon Mount Sinai in His glory, "Its
smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain
quaked greatly " (v. 18).
In this setting of great glory and majesty and power, God spoke the Ten
Commandments to the people who were trembling in awe below the
mountain. His voice must have literally shaken these people with its
power as it boomed across the land like the sound of thunder ( Psalm
104:7 ).

shadeyinka:
When did you become like this?
Clown?
A kid?
Have I posted any insult at you?

I hate one to be dishonest.

You see the truth and yet you are arguing blindly.

If the 10commandments were done away with or abolished as you said?

Why is Fornication,lieing, stealing , killing still a sin?

shadeyinka:
Jesus said the law given by Moses is the greatest of the commandments. Do you not subscribe to this?

If Jesus is true and you believe Him, then you have agreed that the law of Moses is superior to that written by the fingers of God!

Compare this 2 bible verses and you will see they are the same commandments.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Its obvious that Jesus was quoting from the 10commandments.

[quote author=shadeyinka post=87731067]Please find me fornication and homosexuality in the 10 commandments. As a kid, I can't find them surely you an adult should be able.

Thanks[/quote

There is no sin in this World that is not covered by the 10 commandments.

Thou shall not commit Adultery covers every sin of sexual immorality which includes gay and lesbian.

Thou shall not Covert thou neighbors property covers every sin of greed,stealing, kidnapping, even sexual immorality to an extent.

Thou shall bear false witness covers every sin of conspiracy


The list is endless.

Everyone of those sins are covered by the 10commandments.


Paul even mentioned it.

I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD’s name in vain
Remember the sabbath day
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
(murder)
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness
Thou shalt not covet
–
Other gods, or idolatry, also refers to ANYTHING that one puts
as more important than God. This includes job, family, friends,
money, fame, hobbies, sports, pop idols, one’s own ego, etc.
Profanity is a sin.
The Sabbath Day is Saturday, although many have switched to
Sunday, and there is some dispute over this.
Honoring parents is required, and talking back to them,
mistreating them is a sin.
Killing is actually murder, or the taking of an innocent life.
This is the Hebrew word actually used. (We are allowed to kill
for food, and defend ourselves.) This also includes slander and
gossip, which is meant to destroy the reputation and life of
another person.
–
Stealing can include anything, no matter how small.. People
steal things from work all the time. People steal credit from
another for a job well done, or steal their reputation. Cheating
on tests, or to get things or money is wrong.
A false witness is a liar.
Adultery also includes all sexual immorality, including
fornication, any sex outside marriage, pornography,
pedophilia, homosexuality, bestiality, etc.
Coveting is wanting that does not belong to you. This includes
jealousy and envy. This includes property and other people’s
boyfriends or girlfriends, or jobs, or spouses.
–
7 DEADLY SINS:

shadeyinka:
Jesus said the law given by Moses is the greatest of the commandments. Do you not subscribe to this?

If Jesus is true and you believe Him, then you have agreed that the law of Moses is superior to that written by the fingers of God!

Show me were it is written inside Moses law. thats simple.

Maximus69:
God did not ask the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites because the people were commiting any sin!

It was because the Canaanites themselves went against the common rules that all the nations of that time believe "conscience'!

By then nations fear and respect nations stronger than them. The strength of any nation depends on their population, their army and the commander in chief of such an army!

So any nation supposed not to lay ambush or think of challenging the nation of Israel whose God singlehandedy defeated the strongest nation of that time "EGYPT".

God can easily stop Pharaoh from breathing but he wanted to send a signal to all the nations that the Almighty God is with the Israelites, so all the nations will be forewarned not to attempt dragging any issue with his special people! Exodus 19:5

Note what Rahab told the spies "we have heard how powerful your God is, and the fear of your God has gripped everyone here" {Joshua 2:9-11} so if Rahab could say that, it means those nations thinking of challenging the Israelites are at fault!

And God surely rewarded Rahab (the prostitute) because she later became the grate grandmother of Jesus! Matthew 1:5

So it's not about the rules they never knew or practiced but their stubbornness in undermining the indomitable God of Israel, which means THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.

That's the issue!

Yahweh’s Patience and Desire for Repentance
Yahweh did not just in a blind rage punish people when they first did
something wicked. Yahweh was extremely patient, waiting for hundreds of
years for them to reach a certain point of immorality before He judged
them, for Yahweh is “slow to anger” ( Ex. 34:6 , 7; Ps. 103:8 ). At the time
of the flood, Yahweh told the world that they would be judged, and Noah
preached to them for 120 years to bring them to repentance before
Yahweh judged them ( Gen. 6:3 , 5-8; 1 Pet. 3:19-20 ). In Gen. 15:16 ,
Yahweh stated that Abraham’s descendants could not take the land of
Canaan because the Canaanites were not yet evil enough to be
destroyed. This implies that Yahweh waits until nations or people have
become wicked enough before He judges them. This was 400 years
before the extermination of the Canaanites, meaning He gave them a
long time to repent from their idolatry and sins.
Yahweh destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they had become so
evil that even the other Canaanites were complaining about how evil they
were ( Gen. 18:20 ). Thus, that destruction served as a warning to the rest
of the Canaanites that if they did not change, they would be judged as
well. They knew, therefore, what would happen if they continued in the
path of Sodom and Gomorrah. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
(around 2100 BC) came 600 years before Israel destroyed the Canaanite
nation. Yahweh has made it clear that He is willing to relent in His
judgment if a nation repents of its sins and changes its ways ( Jer.
18:7-8 ).
Yahweh also placed Abraham and his family in the land of Canaan in
order to witness to the Canaanites, as Noah had previously. The
righteousness of Yahweh and His covenant with the family of Abraham
( Gen. 12:1-3 ; 15 ) is what led to Tamar leaving her Canaanite culture and
joining the family and covenant of Abraham ( Gen. 38 ). Yahweh not only
received her, but He declared her more righteous than even many of the
grandsons of Abraham because of her desire to know Yahweh ( Gen.
38:26 ).

Maximus69:
How?


In what way?

Jesus was standing in the midst of his own race "Jews" and he said this to people listening to him saying the understanding doesn't belong to all of them but part of those standing there with him!

So how do you distinguish between those he meant to equipped with the understanding and those he wish to deny?

So when Jesus talks about the resurrection it was only for the Jews?

Maximus69:
God did not ask the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites because the people were commiting any sin!

It was because the Canaanites themselves went against the common rules that all the nations of that time believe "conscience'!

By then nations fear and respect nations stronger than them. The strength of any nation depends on their population, their army and the commander in chief of such an army!

So any nation supposed not to lay ambush or think of challenging the nation of Israel whose God singlehandedy defeated the strongest nation of that time "EGYPT".

God can easily stop Pharaoh from breathing but he wanted to send a signal to all the nations that the Almighty God is with the Israelites, so all the nations will be forewarned not to attempt dragging any issue with his special people! Exodus 19:5

Note what Rahab told the spies "we have heard how powerful your God is, and the fear of your God has gripped everyone here" {Joshua 2:9-11} so if Rahab could say that, it means those nations thinking of challenging the Israelites are at fault!

And God surely rewarded Rahab (the prostitute) because she later became the grate grandmother of Jesus! Matthew 1:5

So it's not about the rules they never knew or practiced but their stubbornness in undermining the indomitable God of Israel, which means THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.

That's the issue!

Thats a lie.

The Canaanites were sinners, When God promised Abraham
that his offspring would inherit the land of Canaan, he said it would not
happen until the fourth generation after Abraham because the iniquity of
the Amorites is not yet complete. They practiced such things as child
sacrifice, incest, adultery, temple prostitution, and various other horrible
acts.
When we read about God’s justice going forth against the Canaanites, it
was because they had rejected God and his law. It was a willful rejection,
a purposeful rejection. There were witnesses in the land to the
Canaanites: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their families. They were people
who followed the Lord. The Canaanites were not innocent; they were
morally bankrupt and incorrigible in their wickedness.



“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is
not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four
hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth
generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans]
is not yet complete” (Gen. 15. 13, 16).



It was their Sin that made God to destroy them.
Deuteronomy 9:3-5
Therefore understand today that the LORD your God is He who goes
over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring
them down before you; so you shall drive them out and destroy them
quickly, as the LORD has said to you. “Do not think in your heart, after
the LORD your God has cast them out before you, saying, ‘Because of
my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land’; but
it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is
driving them out from before you. It is not because of your
righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess
their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the
LORD your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill
the word which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.

Maximus69:
Jesus is here talking to people FROM THE SAME RACE!

My friend it also applies to you and all generation.

Bacteriologist:
Google search : "Peer reviewed evidence for evolution."

All na Scam.

shadeyinka:
Is fornication part of the 10 commandments?
Is homosexuality part of the 10 commandments?
Is kidnapping part of the 10 commandments?

If they are not, are they then okay for everyone?
If I fulfil the ten commandments ONLY and not these ones mentioned above, am I righteous?

I write these to show you that the 10 commandments are in no way conclusive of the laws of God. You can't just take one law of the 10 commandments and elevate them over others.

The 10 commandments is meant to be a summary of the laws of God by which the Israelites should live by.

The 10 commandments written by the finger of God was broken remember!? ..and replaced with that written by the hands of Moses!

Its obvious you are a kid.
If you cannot see this crimes in the 10 commandments.

Then you need to go back to School.