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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 12:08pm On Mar 19, 2020

Maximus69:
When did God gave the TEN commandments?

When did the British adopted it?

When did the British arrived for colonization?

What is the time frame between the time TEN commandments was given to Moses and when Europeans adopted it?

Before the Europeans came to Africa were Africans living without laws?

I'm OK now, so continue teaching your misinformed churchgoer friends!

First you need to Understand that the 10 commandments were existing even before God gave it the the Israelites.

God punished Sodom and Gomarrah , God punished the People during the time of Noah, Joseph did not commit adultery because he knew it was sin against God all this occurred thousands of yrs before God gave the law to Israel.

All throughout history the 10commandments were adopted by each generation and nations as the guide or code of conduct.

Go and read about Europe in the dark ages.

Also read about the persecution of Christians by the papal power.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 12:03pm On Mar 19, 2020

shadeyinka:
I asked for a bible commentary preferably from your denomination. You are just repeating yourself

You are desperately looking for Bible commentaries that support your false teaching.

When the Bible God's word is clear on this the saints are not in Heaven but in their graves waiting for the resurrection.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 12:00pm On Mar 19, 2020

shadeyinka:
Check the highlights in RED. Do you now agree that the cloud of witness are the saints of old and not God, Jesus and the Angels?

How can they been the saints since the saints are still even there graves waiting for the resurrection?

90% of the commentaries acknowledge that it is the faith and deeds of those saints that are witnesses to us. not the saints alive watching us.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 11:51am On Mar 19, 2020

shadeyinka:
So, who are the witnesses?

Go and check my previous response on this.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 10:28pm On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
People simply make rules out of their own discretion on good and evil!
Romans 2:14

Nobody gave them any laws, that's why they're also into the worst from of obscenities!

You don't know what you are saying.
All over the World, people practice one form of legal system or the other, in Nigeria it is British legal system, in Ivory Coast it is French legal system.
An the British and the French adopted there legal codes and system from the 10commandments.

Because of the colonial impact and influence of this countries their legal system and code is been used or modified to suit each country.

You can goggle this facts.

Also the US the World richest and most powerful nation has a portrait of Moses with the 10commandments in their Supreme court as their source of inspiration.

You can also google about this.

As you can see the influence of the 10commandments is Universal, although it is not obvious to many due to their desire to see it abolished.

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Travel › Re: Coronavirus: US Consulate In Nigeria Cancels All Visa Applications by blueAgent(m): 10:18pm On Mar 18, 2020

mbahdi:
Hahahaha what a world.
This virus just dey sweet me like mind.seeing d Drama.atleast d whole world will now know there's a supreme God in heaven.see how d mighty are falling.if we as humans can be this prepared for heaven and rapture the way we are preparing and ad hearing to precautions on dis virus,heaven will never miss anyone.prepare cause Christ is coming soon.no body seems to care.just a virus and everyone is afraid and preparing.were are d so called world powers.this is just corolla virus.think of how tense it will be when the superior mezdes Benz which is d oga of all virus will come by next year.
How d mighty have fallen.if the world will now respect God we will know.

NWO

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:37pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I quoted directly from your link things you'll rather not want to hear. See your summary: "to establish faith" as is the whole scripture. But in this Heb12, the question is how?

Can you please find me a commentary from any source
that teaches that the cloud of witnesses are God, Jesus and the Angels?

If you can't, it shows you greatly err and you have cooked up an interpretation for yourself.

The cloud of witness can not be the saints watching us from Heaven because God told us that saints like David are still in there graves.
waiting for the resurrection day.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Even David knew he was going to wait in the grave till when Christ will come so he wrote in
Psalm 17:15
As for me, I will behold your face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied,
when I awake, with your likeness.

Job also agrees with David as he also wrote his own.

In Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:19pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I quoted directly from your link things you'll rather not want to hear. See your summary: "to establish faith" as is the whole scripture. But in this Heb12, the question is how?

Can you please find me a commentary from any source
that teaches that the cloud of witnesses are God, Jesus and the Angels?

If you can't, it shows you greatly err and you have cooked up an interpretation for yourself.

There over a 100 commentaries that agree with my narrative and I did not consult them before I wrote my.

I was only inspired to write what I wrote and it agrees with almost all true bible commentaries.

Here is one.

Verse 1 says, “ Since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding
us, let us . . . run.” So the first motivation I want us to see is this cloud
of witnesses. Who are they and what does their witnessing mean? They
are the saints that have lived and died so valiantly by faith in chapter 11.
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Moses, and all those who suffered
and died, “of whom the world was not worthy.”
But what does their “witnessing” refer to? Does it refer to their watching
us from heaven? Or does it refer their witnessing to us by their lives? The
word “witness” can have either meaning: the act of seeing something, or
the act of telling something. Which is it here? I think it is the act of
telling. The verb form of this word “witness” ( martureo) is used five times
in Hebrews 11 (in verses 2, 4 [twice], 5, 39) and always refers to the
giving of a (confirming) testimony rather than the mere watching of an
event.
So I take the witnesses of Hebrews 12:1 to be the saints who have run
the race before us, and have gathered, as it were, along the marathon
route to say, through the testimony of their lives, “By faith I finished, you
can too!”
The best way to illustrate this, I think, is with Hebrews 11:4 , where the
writer speaks of Abel and says, “Through faith, though he is dead, he still
speaks.” So Abel is in the cloud of witnesses, and he is witnessing to us
by his life through the Scriptures. This is the way all the witnesses of
Hebrews 11 are helping us. They have gathered along the sidelines of our
race and they hold out their wounds and their joys and give us the best
high-fives we ever got: “Go for it! You can do it. By faith, you can finish.
You can lay the weights down and the sins. By faith, by the assurance of
better things hoped for, you can do it. I did it. And I know it can be done.
Run. Run!”
So be encouraged when you plan your fall run with Jesus. There are
dozens and hundreds and thousands of those who have gone before and
who have finished the race by faith and surround us like a great cloud of
witnesses who say: “It can be done! By faith, it can be done.”
2. History is waiting for you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:13pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I quoted directly from your link things you'll rather not want to hear. See your summary: "to establish faith" as is the whole scripture. But in this Heb12, the question is how?

Can you please find me a commentary from any source
that teaches that the cloud of witnesses are God, Jesus and the Angels?

If you can't, it shows you greatly err and you have cooked up an interpretation for yourself.

You are really confused. Like I said before it is obvious you did not read the commentary.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(1) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about. —Rather, Therefore let
us also —since we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses
—having put away all encumbrance and the sin . . . run with patient
endurance the race that is set before us, looking, &c. (In so difficult a
verse as this we need an exactness of translation which might not
otherwise be desirable.) It is plain that the chief thought is, “Let us run
our race with patient endurance, looking unto Jesus the Author . . . of our
faith;” so that here again we have the thought which the writer is never
weary of enforcing, the need of faith and patience for all who would
inherit the promises. The connection is chiefly with the last verses of
Hebrews 11, which are, indeed, a summary of the whole chapter. The
purpose of God has been that those who throughout the past ages
obtained witness of HIM through their faith should not reach their
consummation apart from us. To that consummation, then, let us press
forward. Present to us in the view of Christ’s accomplished sacrifice, it is
all future in regard of personal attainment. As those who have preceded
us reached the goal, each one for himself, by faith and patient endurance,
so must we. The thought of persevering effort crowned by a recompence
of reward ( Hebrews 6:12 ; Hebrews 6:18 ; Hebrews 10:35-39 ) very naturally
suggested the imagery of the public games (by this time familiar even to
Jews), to which St. Paul in his Epistles so frequently alludes. (See
1Corinthians 4:9 ; 1Corinthians 9:24-27 ; Philippians 3:12-14 ; 1Timothy 6:12 ;
2Timothy 4:7-8 ; comp. Hebrews 10:32-33 .) In these passages are called
up the various associations of the great national festivals of Greece—the
severe discipline of the competitors, the intenseness of the struggle, the
rewards, “the righteous judge,” the crowd of spectators. Most of these
thoughts are present here ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ; Hebrews 12:4 ), and new
joints of comparison are added, so that the scene is brought vividly
before our eyes. It has been often supposed that the word “witnesses” is
used in the sense of spectators of the race. To an English reader this idea
is very natural (as “witnesses” may simply mean beholders) , but there is
no such ambiguity in the Greek word ( martyres ) . The Greek fathers rightly
understood it to signify those who bear witness, and the chief point of
doubt seems to have been whether the sense is general, or whether the
word bears its later meaning—martyrs, who have borne testimony with
their blood. Those who thus encompass us, a countless “host (a “cloud”
of witnesses), have had witness borne to them through their faith, and in
turn stand forth as witnesses to faith, bearing testimony to its power and
works. One and all ‘they offer encouragement to us in our own contest of
faith, and for this reason they are mentioned here. That the idea of the
presence of spectators may be contained in the other words, “compassed
about with so great a cloud,” is very possible; but no interpretation must
be allowed to interfere with the chief thought—that the runner’s steadfast
gaze is fixed on Him who has Himself traversed the course before us,
and is now the Judge and Rewarder.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:08pm On Mar 18, 2020

[quote author=shadeyinka post=87555270]I quoted directly from your link things you'll rather not want to hear. See your summary: "to establish faith" as is the whole scripture. But in this Heb12, the question is how?

Can you please find me a commentary from any source
that teaches that the cloud of witnesses are God, Jesus and the Angels?

If you can't, it shows you greatly err and you have cooked up an interpretation for yourself.[/quote

Did the commentary say it was the dead that bear witness in the cloud?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:07pm On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
Is there any country where one God (YHWH) is worshiped or where SABBATH is passed into law?

Without exception of the sabbath which is at the center of God's controversy with Satan and the World.
Every other law is in one form or the other legal in each country.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 4:00pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I get you. Anything you don't like from the scriptures, you find another that seem to contradict it.

Continue!

Its not my word but God's word.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Creation is the reverse of death.

Creation.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Plasm104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Death

Psalms 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

In all either creation or death no where is soul added neither is there any evidence that a soul was existing before creation or after death.

2nd evidence.
God made man from dust and God also confirmed that when man dies he returns to dust not remains neither is there any soul that lives on.

Genesis 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

During creation only 2 things were brought together to make man also at death those 2 things are separated and man is no longer existing.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Nothing is left after the Seperation.
If there was a soul that continues to live on Solomon would have mentioned it.

When people die you cannot see them any more, any thing that appears as them is a demon.

Job 7:8 The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not.

Its impossible for Samuel to had appeared to Saul because God inspired Job to write that anyone who dies cannot come up any more.

Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.

Neither do they recognize anyone or there house.

Job 7:10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 4:00pm On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
And in which country is the TEN commandments at work presently?

Is there any country were murder,stealing, adultery, lieing ,False witness and so on are permitted by the law?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 3:58pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
See how you have created multiple gods. God and Jesus!

Are Angels gods?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 3:57pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Indeed God and Jesus! SMH!!

Who else if not them?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 3:57pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
You didn't read but copied and pasted after the first paragraph.

Let me give you highlights of the link and then compare if it's different from what I've been saying

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/12-1.htm

The connection is chiefly with the last verses of Hebrews 11 , which are, indeed, a summary of the whole chapter. The purpose of God has been that those who throughout the past ages obtained witness of Him through their faith should not reach their consummation apart from us. To that consummation, then, let us press forward.

As those who have preceded us reached the goal, each one for himself, by faith and patient endurance, so must we.

Who are those who had preceded us? The answer in in Hebrews 11

This shows you did not understand what was written there.

My point is in line with what is written there. Paul's purpose was to establish the faith of the Church.

No where is it written that the dead were the witnesses in the cloud, rather their deeds and faith bear witness.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 3:10pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I asked the question 1. Who are the Cloud of Witnesses? 2. Why are they called witnesses

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/12-1.htm

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:57pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Why would you rewrite the Bible to suit your doctrinal position?
The bible said:
1. Saul saw Samuel
2. Samuel spoke to Saul
3. Samuel judged Saul
There was no indication from the passage it was someone else other than Samuel.

Is that how you study your own Bible?

you use one small unsure verse to build your doctrine on.
What happens to God's instruct on how to understand his word.

The word of the Lord will be to them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line. ( Isaiah 28:13 )

You must look at everyword of God realating to a particular issue before you form your Opinion on that matter.

To whom will he teach knowledge,
and to whom will he explain the message?
Those who are weaned from the milk,
those taken from the breast?
For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little.
For by people of strange lips
and with a foreign tongue
the Lord will speak to this people,
to whom he has said,
“This is rest;
give rest to the weary;
and this is repose”;
yet they would not hear.
And the word of the Lord will be to them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little,
that they may go, and fall backward,

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:50pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
I asked the question 1. Who are the Cloud of Witnesses? 2. Why are they called witnesses

God,Jesus, Angels.
You forget that even the Earth and land can bear witness.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:49pm On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
You said "the TEN commandments is for everyone but itself along with the remaining is what Israelites must obey"

So i asked you "if the ten commandments is for everyone, why did God give only the nation of Israel?"

Moses was asked to pass it over to "the sons of Israel" no one was asked to pass it round to other nations?

Really?

The Israelites were picked by God as custodians of the law and people through which he will spread his message of Salvation.

First they were given the law and through them the knowledge of the law has been spread all over the World.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isaiah 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

Isaiah 54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isaiah 61:9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Acts 22:21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Acts 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

The only law that was only for the Israelites is the mosaic law and Musical law.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:42pm On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
You've only attempted to answer my question 3. There were four questions.

Anyways;
Heb 12:1:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Hebrews 12 is a follow-up of Hebrews 11 where the Hero's of Faith were all mentioned. By the way, the word witnesses (PLURAL) was used instead not SINGULAR. If it was singular, Jesus would have been the Cloud of Witness.

So God and Jesus is not plural in your dictionary?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:54am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Corpse know nothing!

1. Please account for the statement of Jesus. Was that also a parable or a figurative expression. If it is, please explain
Jesus said TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!

Luk 23:43: "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

2. If Paradise is Heaven and the dead are not yet in paradise because they are unconscious. How come Paul was "caught up into Paradise"?

2Cor 12:4: "that he was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not allowed for a man to utter."

3. Since you claim to understand the scriptures, can you please explain who are the cloud of witnesses described in Heb12:1-2

Heb 12:1-2:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured [the] cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God."

4. Please can you explain the kind of "unconscious state" Enoch is: since he did not die but was translated/raptured to Paradise!
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated [so as] not to see death, and he was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Oblige me please by truthfully answering these four questions.

Jesus is our witness and not the dead saints.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

The Bible is clear the dead cannot bear witness of anything.

From this example we can see that it is,God and Jesus his son that bear witness for his chosen.

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Although Cain was dead his scrafice became a witness for him. it it was God himself that was testifying for Abel.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:48am On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
See mumu o!

So at last Jesus the TEACHER actually came to TEACH as part of his assignments?

Then Abimelech has qualified for God's Kingdom even without learning the rules Jesus introduced to the first century Jews!

When Moses clearly taught his people that all the laws God gave them through him will only guide them until the coming of another prophet who will teach them how to gain everlasting life! Deuteronomy 18:15-19 compare to Genesis 49:10

My friend keep teaching your misinformed churchgoer friends what you feel on Nairaland, Jesus came to fulfill the law and nobody is required to continue with what Jesus has come to teach us it's practical applications in form of principles, WE TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE MOSAIC LAWS! Galatians 3:19-25

Moreover if Abimelech lived by conscience and it was counted as righteousness for him (according to you though not found in the scriptures) then why do people need the laws instead of their conscience?

After all Abimelech never lived by Mosaic laws but BY CONSCIENCE!

Òpònú Olódo (Confused Dullard)

This is Jesus own words.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This implies that there is no other Chance for people to be taught anything other than in this lifetime.
Everyone is given the opportunity here in this life not another.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:40am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Yes, mediums bring up impassonating demons and the woman was ready to do exactly that except that the REAL Samuel showed up. Hence, she screamed and connected the strange man with Saul the king.

For the rest, you have to rely on exactly what the bible says.
1. And Saul saw that it was Samuel (not a demon in disguisi)

1Sam 28:14: "And he said to her, What [is] his form? And she said, An old man comes up, and he is covered with a cloak. And Saul saw that it was Samuel, and [he] bowed [his] face to the ground, and prostrated himself."

2. And Samuel said to Saul:
1Sam 28:15: "And Samuel said to Saul , Why have you disturbed me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am grievously distressed, for the Philistines are warring against me. And God has left me and does not answer me any more, neither by prophets nor by dreams. And I have called you so that you may make known to me what I should do."

3. And Samuel said ... why then do you ask me

1Sam 28:16-17: "And Samuel said, [b]Why then do you ask me, [/b]since the LORD has left you and has become your enemy? And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and [is] giving it to your neighbor, to David."

Except you want to rewrite the Bible, what is written is very clear.
It is what the bible says or your conjecture....you can choose. Even if you assume that Saul saw an aperation, the bible said "And SAMUEL spoke to Saul". This makes it double clear

No were it is written that Saul ever saw Samuel.
The word saw there can be translated perceived more over even if he saw Samuel it was not the true Samuel but a demon impersonating Samuel.

Secondly God refused to speak with Saul through any medium.

So why will God now pass through a witch doctor inorder to speak to Samuel?

Remember that God dispise anything dead so much that he instructed the Israelites that anyone who touched a corpse must cleanse himself for seven days or he will be killed.

Same God forbid the Israelites from contacting spirits through any means or witch doctors.

The Bible uses the word Samuel in order to convey the message but when considered with other bible verses we can see that it was never Samuel.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:31am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Corpse know nothing!

1. Please account for the statement of Jesus. Was that also a parable or a figurative expression. If it is, please explain
Jesus said TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!

Luk 23:43: "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

2. If Paradise is Heaven and the dead are not yet in paradise because they are unconscious. How come Paul was "caught up into Paradise"?

2Cor 12:4: "that he was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not allowed for a man to utter."

3. Since you claim to understand the scriptures, can you please explain who are the cloud of witnesses described in Heb12:1-2

Heb 12:1-2:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured [the] cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God."

4. Please can you explain the kind of "unconscious state" Enoch is: since he did not die but was translated/raptured to Paradise!
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated [so as] not to see death, and he was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Oblige me please by truthfully answering these four questions.

No were did heb12:1-2 say that the dead are our witnessses, rather Paul was encouraging the Church to live a holy life and to have faith, just as Enoch, Abraham,Isaac, Jacob, Joseph all this were mentioned in Heb11.
all had faith in God.
Paul was saying that this great men through there victory are witnesses to God's faithfulness.

Although they are dead but their works speaks for them.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:24am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Corpse know nothing!

1. Please account for the statement of Jesus. Was that also a parable or a figurative expression. If it is, please explain
Jesus said TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!

Luk 23:43: "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

2. If Paradise is Heaven and the dead are not yet in paradise because they are unconscious. How come Paul was "caught up into Paradise"?

2Cor 12:4: "that he was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not allowed for a man to utter."

3. Since you claim to understand the scriptures, can you please explain who are the cloud of witnesses described in Heb12:1-2

Heb 12:1-2:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured [the] cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God."

4. Please can you explain the kind of "unconscious state" Enoch is: since he did not die but was translated/raptured to Paradise!
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated [so as] not to see death, and he was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Oblige me please by truthfully answering these four questions.

To depart and be with Christ. "For to me, to live is Christ, and to
die is gain," Paul said. "For I am hard pressed between the two,
having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far
better" (Phil. 1:21, 23). Did Paul expect to enter heaven
immediately at death?
Paul wrote much on the subject of being with Christ. In another
letter he wrote about those "who sleep in Jesus." At the Second
Advent, he said, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and
together with the living righteous they will be "caught up together. .
. to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the
Lord" (1 Thess. 4:14, 17).
Against this background we see that in his letter to the Philippians,
Paul is not giving a detailed exposition on what happens at death.
He is simply expressing his desire to leave his present troubled
existence and to be with Christ, without giving any reference or
explanation to the period of time between death and the
resurrection. His hope is centered on the promised personal
companionship with Jesus throughout eternity. For those who die
there is no long interval between the time when they close their
eyes in death and when they open them at the resurrection. Since
the dead are not conscious and so have no awareness of the
passing of time, the resurrection morning will seem to come the
moment after death. For the Christian, death is gain: no more
temptations, trials, and sorrows, and at the resurrection the gift of
a glorious immortality.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:23am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Corpse know nothing!

1. Please account for the statement of Jesus. Was that also a parable or a figurative expression. If it is, please explain
Jesus said TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!

Luk 23:43: "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

2. If Paradise is Heaven and the dead are not yet in paradise because they are unconscious. How come Paul was "caught up into Paradise"?

2Cor 12:4: "that he was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not allowed for a man to utter."

3. Since you claim to understand the scriptures, can you please explain who are the cloud of witnesses described in Heb12:1-2

Heb 12:1-2:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured [the] cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God."

4. Please can you explain the kind of "unconscious state" Enoch is: since he did not die but was translated/raptured to Paradise!
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated [so as] not to see death, and he was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Oblige me please by truthfully answering these four questions.

Christ's promise to the thief. Christ promised the thief at the
cross "'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in
Paradise'" (Luke 23:43). Paradise obviously is synonymous with
heaven (2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7). As the translated text reads, Christ
would go to heaven that Friday to be in the very presence of God,
and so would the thief. Yet on Resurrection morning Christ Himself
said to Mary as she fell at His feet to worship Him, "Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and
say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my
God, and your God" (John 20:17, KJV). That Christ remained in the
grave over the weekend is indicated by the words of the angel:
"'Come, see the place where the Lord lay'" (Matt. 28:6).
Did Christ contradict Himself? Not at all. The solution to the
understanding of the text involves its punctuation. The early
manuscripts of the Bible did not have any commas or spaces
between the words. Insertion of punctuation and word divisions can
make considerable difference in the meaning of the text. Bible
translators use their best judgment in placing punctuation marks,
but their work is certainly not inspired.
If the translators, who did such excellent work in general, had
placed the comma in Luke 23:43 after "today" instead of before it,
this passage would not contradict the teaching of the rest of the
Bible on death. Christ's words would then be properly understood to
mean: "Assuredly, I say to you today [this day, when I am dying as a
criminal], you will be with Me in Paradise." In harmony with the
Biblical teaching, Jesus assured the thief that he would be with Him
in Paradise—a promise that will be fulfilled following the
resurrection of the just at His second coming.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:22am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
Corpse know nothing!

1. Please account for the statement of Jesus. Was that also a parable or a figurative expression. If it is, please explain
Jesus said TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE!

Luk 23:43: "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

2. If Paradise is Heaven and the dead are not yet in paradise because they are unconscious. How come Paul was "caught up into Paradise"?

2Cor 12:4: "that he was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not allowed for a man to utter."

3. Since you claim to understand the scriptures, can you please explain who are the cloud of witnesses described in Heb12:1-2

Heb 12:1-2:
"Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses , let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured [the] cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God."

4. Please can you explain the kind of "unconscious state" Enoch is: since he did not die but was translated/raptured to Paradise!
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated [so as] not to see death, and he was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Oblige me please by truthfully answering these four questions.

If the 10commandments was meant for only Israel why did God destroy Sodom and Gomarrah for sin of sexual immorality?

Why did God count Abel as a murderer more 2000yrs before Israel ever existed?

Why did God destroy or ask the Israelites to destroy other nations that worshiped false gods.

Why did God ask Jonah to warn the people of Ninevah?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:18am On Mar 18, 2020

Maximus69:
TEN commandments for all the nations but only Israelites were given!
The remaining belongs only to the Israelites alone but whoever comes to the temple for worshp must pay his tithe no matter what nation they come from, whereas TITHE is no part of the Ten commandments!

My friend continue teaching your misinformed churchgoer friends!

I can stop laughing at your explanation.
If the 10commandments were for only Israel, why is commiting Auldtery sin? or stealing,killing, lieing, dis honouring ones parents, using God's name in vain, bowing to other gods and Idol, why are all this still counted as sin by God and are recognized in almost all countries as unlawful?

Since it was meant for only Israel.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:13am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
The Spirit of Samuel was what was made manifest NOT the Corpse of Samuel

1Sam 28:7-9:
"And Saul said to his servants, Seek me a woman who is] a medium, so that I may go to her and inquire of her. And his servant said to him, Behold, [there is] a woman who is] a medium, at Endor. And Saul disguised himself and put on other clothing. And he went. And two men went with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, Please divine for me [calling up the dead], and bring me up the man whom I shall name to you. And the woman said to him, Behold, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off mediums , and the spirit-knowers , out of the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

A medium or a spiritist does not resurrect anyone. They interact and summon up spirits (usually impassonating demons) to represent the dead person

Since the spirit returns to God, it means the witch was powerful enough to take Samuel's spirit from God's hand?

Your last quote is contradicting, since you know that they are Demons impersonating the dead why are you claiming that it was Samuel's spirit that appeared to Saul?.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:09am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
The bible speaks of three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
Mat 9:18:
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a certain ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, My daughter has just now died. But come and lay Your hand on her and she will live."

Luk 7:12:
"And drawing near the gate of the city, even behold, one having died was being carried out, an only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a considerable crowd of the city was with her."

Luk 8:52:
"And all were weeping and bewailing her. But He said, Do not weep; she has not died, but sleeps."

John 6:49:
"Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and died."

2. Spiritual Death:
Rom 8:6:
"For to be carnally minded [is] death, but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace"
Genesis 2:17
But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins in which you once lived, following the course of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work among those who are disobedient. All of us once lived among them in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of flesh and senses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like everyone else.

3. Second Death:
Rev 2:11: "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death."

Death isn't just a cessation of life but a disconnection or separation!

1. Physical Death:
Disconnection/separation of the Physical Body from the Soul and Spirit
2. Spiritual Death:
Disconnection/separation of God's Holy Spirit from Man's Spirit. We were all born spiritually dead. The Holy Spirit in us make us spiritually alive.
Don't forget that a spiritually dead person may still have an active conscience.

Gen 5:3:
"And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years and fathered [a son] in his own likeness, after his own image. And he called his name Seth."
3. Second Death:
Eternal and irrevocable disconnection/separation of God from the body, soul and spirit of a person.

Rev 20:14-15:
"And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death. And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire."

I have explained what "Sleep" connote: I guess "Second Sleep" makes sense to you in view of the second death!?

All death are the same.

Physical death is the one we are all know, the Bible aslo calls it sleep because it is temporary and there is a resurrection that fellows.

Spiritual death is not death of any soul or spirit, but it means a person not been in line with God's will and purpose.

Second death is the same thing as the physical death, both results in man losing his life, been in an unconscious state and body returning to dust.

The only little difference is that it is the total destruction of the body and life of that person which means there will be no other resurrection.

it occurs after the resurrection and will be experienced by only sinners.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 7:43am On Mar 18, 2020

shadeyinka:
So paradise is a state of unconsciousness?

Paradise is Heaven.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

And we are told that People go to Heaven, only when Jesus comes and the dead in Christ resurrects with new bodies

The dead know nothing.

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