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0ubenji:
U liken a debate to a torturous experience of leprosy and almost loss of life?
U're saying now that God and devil had a contest of loyalty of servants and Job was the representative?
Ur analogies are weak plz.
I,however, recall u saying God can speak for himself..
If I'm to take ur analogy literally, So why is job involved as a Debate representative between Himself and Satan.

It is obvious you don't read my article. secondly try for once not to be biased against God and look at issues from bigger point of view.

0ubenji:
U asked for where u ascribed afflictions to God's love..
In d same vein God used plagues to attack the Egyptians, flood the earth etc to express God's love and what it means to serve him.
I hope u don't dribble urself out of this with a weak point.

P.S: u're getting something wrong in ur idea of freewill..but I'll leave that for another day..
I'm stil enjoying my time here with u on dis interesting topic of God's love

Stop mixing it up. the Egyptians were punished for sins.

randomperson:
Red herring... It's obvious u can't contest the issues raised in my comment, hence, the diversionary tactic. But lemme just educate u a bit... The most developed countries and the highest standards of living generally have high atheist population compared with the poorest countries...

You mean like less than 10% of the population.That what i discovered last time i checked.

Only a fool trust polls conduct by Elites.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are a Christian then put on your Christian spectacles and use it in interpreting the endtimes as we see it.

How is this relevant to my argument?

DoctorAlien:
In other words you say that life is meaningless.

GOD gave man freewill. As such, man can do whatever he wants. But he is not free from the consequences of his actions. Any action has a consequence.

Are you confused? How can you say we have no purpose and then say that evolution programmed purpose into us? What is the purpose of man from the evolution POV?

Na waha for you,can't you see it is obvious, she is confused like all Athiests are.Lol.....

randomperson:
If Christians held god to his promises, the same way they hold Buhari, they would discover he doesn't exist...
For years Christians all over Nigeria prayed every Sunday for god to curb the menace of boko haram but the terrorists kept killing people, usually Christians on a regular basis..
What kind of god allows his children to die needlessly like that??
Answer: One who doesn't exist.

And what has Athiesm offered Humanity?

Lady39:
Lol...no sir..absolutely not. This is a character flaw that I can't get into heaven with...I need victory over this thing.
U know...that when all is said and done..it's our "character " that will allow us "in" or keep us "out" of the kingdom.

I understand. God will grant you your Heart desire.

ValentineMary:
We have come a long way in civilization and it is undeniably that survival of the fittest got us here to select the best suited to survive. But in this case, our morality are guided by secular laws which has to a great extent helped in ensuring our survival. So u wondering why atheist should bother just keeps me thinking.

You just murdered Science.

Pidgin2:
If I pray for you, you will be free from confusion.

Lol.....He needs it.

Pidgin2:
If I pray for you, you will be free from confusion.

Lol.....He needs it.

ValentineMary:
Humans have no predefined purpose, we choose our purpose. As conscious beings, we can choose what we want. If we have a predefined purpose by a good God, then he/she/it is responsible for all the people who became serial killers, rapist and terrorist. Since he gave them an already defined purpose.
Then that would be incompatible with an all loving being. Purpose are attributes of conscious organisms built in by evolution to ensure survival no matter how complex or primitive it might be.

This Evolution sounds like a being. Last time i checked Evolution is a process that lacks thought,reason,life, mind e.t.c I wonder how Evolution will impart attributes itself does not have.

yomi007k:


They will avoid this thread like a plague because its true.

I laugh at this Dude,God has done far more complex miracles for me.

yomi007k:


They will avoid this thread like a plague because its true.

I laugh at this Dude,God has done far more complex miracles for me.

Pidgin2:
Your situation is critical, I can't understand your lack of spiritual awareness. Let me ask you a question, why do some dreams come true?

Perfect Questions.

DoctorAlien:
Because an atheist does believe in God, but does not believe that he believes in God, he is simply a walking bundle of inconsistencies. One type to watch for is abehavioral inconsistency; this is where a person’s behavior does not comport with what he claims to believe. For example, consider the atheist university professor who teaches that human beings are simply chemical accidents —the end result of a long and purposeless chain of biological evolution. But then he goes home and kisses his wife and hugs his children, as if they were not simply chemical accidents, but valuable, irreplaceable persons deserving of respect and worthy of love.

Lol......You just committed Genocide. you mass killed them.

Lady39:
Lol...I wish that were the case..but that comment was deliberately made by someone. I come on different times of the day...I read lots of posts & comment on some. Sometimes I stay a short time..sometimes a little longer.
Sir, sometime in the day could u send up a
prayer for me? The Lord knows what it's about. Thanks so much.

I would. I guess it is another car? Lol......

felixomor:
Even u sef is recognized....LoL
See how ordinary kjv is causing tremors for u If u just see the original manuscripts nko.? Na death be that

Lol.... The Original would be too hard on him.

0ubenji:
young man, I'm not debating with God but you. I dint question God but ur sermon of ascribing plagues and massacres to God's love.
Pls don't miss Sunday school henceforth and more importantly, learn to observe James 1:26.
Shalom

You are contractdicting yourself. I never ascribed plagues to God's love.
God tested Job.not becos he doubted Job's faithfullness. no but to prove to all Job's faithfulness to God.

Let me ask you, if your School was going for a debate, who would you pick to represent you. is it a child you know and trust that he/she would not fail you or the one who is unrealiable?

Lady39:
No..I'm far, far away. I guess I'm too far to be a real person! Even now getting accused of being a "robot" & putting up false pics of myself...lol.

Lol.....Maybe it is becos they rarely see U online.

As years go by more Bible prophecies have been proven true by Science ,recent DNA analysis discovered that about 80% of Europeans are descendants of people whose ancestors migrated from the Middle East(Mesopotamia) about 5000yrs ago.this finding is consistent with Bible facts and prophecy concerning Abraham & his seed becoming multitudes of Nations.We will look at the prophecies and how most European countries fit in.God called Abram from Ur of Chaldees(Mesopotamia)present day Iraq and Syria.

Abraham was told by God that his seed and
descendants will be Great Genesis22:17-18,Genesis17:5-7,Genesis26:3-5,God to Jacob,Genesis28:13-14,that Kings and Nations will come from Him.
Our focus will be on the 2Sons of Joseph (great
grandchildren of Abraham) who recieved the birthright blessings of(Dominance,greatness,global influence)

1Chronicles 5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but,forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

1 Chronicles5:2 For Judah prevailed above his
brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's


www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetecharticle-1244654/Study-finds-Britons-descended-farmers-left-Iraq-Syria-10-000-years-ago.html

www.bbc.com/news/scienceenvironment-31695214

1. God told Jacob that his descendants will
spread abroad.Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad(beyond Middle East) to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Europeans(Britain) were one of the Greatest pioneers of navigation,they spread to the North, South (SouthAfrica and Africa) East(India,Malayasia,Singarpore) West(US&Canada)with middleEast as reference point or starting point.

2.God inspired Jacob to tell the Sons of Joseph in the last days they will became a Great Nation and company of Nations
Genesis48:-20,Genesis35:10
The United States is believed to be Manasseh the Elder son of Joseph,while Ephraim is UK, the company of nations are. Canada,Australia,Newzeland, They all share one language,Culture,Ancenstry.

3.Wealth and Dominace
God through Jacob confered material blessings
and greatness on the 2 Sons of Joseph ,Genesis48:16. it is obvious that the Anglo-Saxon nations are the most Dominant in Global politics and Economics. US alone has about 17% of world GDP(Economy) UK controls about 25% of the World trade and finance.Australia is the world leader in exports of Minerals(Iron ore,copper,Bauxite,LNG)Canada has the world 2nd largest oil reserve,all the anglo saxon nations have well developed infastructure and high standard of living. The US State of Carlifornia alone has an Economy almost equivilant to that of the entire African continent.They are all world power in terms of military strength.
Their language and culture is accepted as the
Standard culture and world global language.
Today, the United States is home to 30% of the
world's millionaires,40% of the world's billionaires, as well as 139 of the world's 500 largest companies.
Joshua 17:17 And Joshua spake unto the house of Joseph, even to Ephraim and to Manasseh, saying, Thou art a great people, and hast great power: thou shalt not have one lot only.

4.Colonizing power:God inspired Moses to
prophecise that the 2 Sons of Joseph will be colonial powers.deutronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. to push people to the end of the Earth means( to Colonize or control other Nations)Britian was the greatest Colonist in world history. ("the sun never sets on the British Empire".
In 1860 the territorial extent of the British Empire had some 9.5 million square miles; by 1909 the total had risen to 12.7million. The
British Empire now covered around 25 per cent of the world's land surface - making it three times the size of the French Empire and ten times that of the Germans - and controlled roughly the same proportion of the world's population: some 444 million people lived under some form of British rule.

5.Largest and the Best Lands were given to the
seed of Jacob. Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their
inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
US has a landmass of 9,525,067sqkm
Canada : 9,984,670sqkm
Australia : 7,741,220Sqkm
Newzealand : 267,710sqkm
UK : 243,610sqkm
All of this countries have very good weather and abundant mineral resources . They together have about(25%)
28,74,158 Sqkm of the world
entire landmass.

6.Posses the gates of their Enemies. God told
Abraham and Jacob
,Genesis 22:17,24:60 that their seeds will posses the gates of those who hate them.
US and Britian these 2 descendants of Joseph,
Ephraim and Manasseh have
possessed “gates” in “Hong
Kong, Singapore, Gibraltar,
Falklands, the Panama Canal,
Philippines, The Suez Canal,the Horn of
Africa,Malta, etc.” Again!
most of the Strategic trade rotues where
controlled by them.

7.Jacob prophecised that
Ephriam the younger one will be greater than
Manasseh,the elder one,remember jacob placed the younger one before the Elder one.Britain the younger one (Ephriam became great and a world power before the
elder one Manasseh (US)Moses also said the younger one Ephriam will colonize 10times more nations than the Elder one Manasseh(US)
Deutronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. to push people to the end of the Earth means( to Colonize or control other Nations) Uk had far more colonies than US ever did. bullock and unicorn.”Both have been prominent British symbols. England was referred to historically as “John Bull” and the unicorn is on the British coat-of-arms.

8. The No 13.
Jacob adopted the two sons of Joseph as his.
Making them 13tribes.
Since he placed the younger before the elder. The younger one became the 12th tribe why the elder(US) became the 13th, in the US the no 13 is highly honoured their were13colonies that
declared independence.
"The eagle on US official seal
holds 13 arrows in its right claw
and wears a shield of 13 bars.
Above the eagle appears a cloud
in which there are 13 stars. Its
national motto, "E Pluribus
Unum," which means "one out
of many," has 13 letters. On the
reverse side of the national seal
is another motto containing 13
letters. It says, "Annuit Coeptis,"
meaning "He (the Lord) hath
prospered our undertakings."

9.Spread of christainity:God used the Israelities to spread christainity.UK was instrumental in translation of the Bible(KJV)and helped in the spread of christainity.Isaiah66:19,
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that
thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

10.Blessing to the Nations and the
World.Gensis22:18,Genesis
28:14Britian through colonization spread
Civilization,western
Education across the World and they also fought against Slavery. They also lead the world in Inventions and contribution to Science,Civilization and Democracy.

11.They Bear the name of Isaac.
Jacob prophesied to the 2 Sons of Joseph that
their seed will bear his name and that of his father's .Genesis 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Today this countries are known as Anglo-Saxon
nations, with the saxon english spelling for Isaac.Hebrew Term for Britain
Those of Britain call themselves “British.” This
name comes from the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word b’rith means “covenant” and the
Hebrew word ish means “man.” Combine the two words (“British”) and the meaning would appear to be obvious—“Covenant man.”
It is through the British people—colonizing
around the world—that God fulfilled His covenant promise to Abraham. The ancient British language has many similarities to the Hebrew—so many that it is difficult to conclude it did not originate from it! Welsh writer Charles Edwards “was so much struck with its similarity, when he first commenced the study of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, that he felt he must make known his
discovery.” It has been stated that Hebrew roots are common in the ancient British language.

Lady39:
Now I (Lady39) have a glimpse of what it feels like....true story.
"I'm sorry Lord."
Now I know how it feels to only be wanted for what one can "do" rather than who one "is".
"I'm sorry Lord."
Now I know that people know how to "fake it until they make it" (having ulterior motives) rather than being "authentic" & taking time to know someone & truly develop a relationship with him/her.
What an awful thing to do to someone...

"I'm sorry Lord." "Is this how I've been treating you?" "Please forgive me."
It took an object lesson for me (Lady39) to see..& I'm still learning..

True.

0ubenji:
U juz shot urself on the foot...quoted a wonderful bible verse which totally voids the impression u intended for this thread.

If you now, alas, agree on the emboldened, why did u assert in your epistle that God did really hideous things in the bible out of love.
Ain't you tryna blackmail him already?
U dnt understand his ways yet u speak so boldly of his reasons for some things recorded in the old testament?
Are u sure u're being led by the spirit bro?

God wouldn't waste his time with this type of
argument because he is not a respecter of
"persons". He is the creator and not the
follower. God is truth and is never on the
defensive to anybody or anything.

If you look at the Book of Job verse38. when God responded to Jobs cry and Lamentation. God did not answer Job's questions concerning his condition rather God admonished Job. that shows you that God is unquestionable.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

0ubenji:
U juz shot urself on the foot...quoted a wonderful bible verse which totally voids the impression u intended for this thread.

If you now, alas, agree on the emboldened, why did u assert in your epistle that God did really hideous things in the bible out of love.
Ain't you tryna blackmail him already?
U dnt understand his ways yet u speak so boldly of his reasons for some things recorded in the old testament?
Are u sure u're being led by the spirit bro?

You are just baised in your argument.
Like I said before God alone can answer for himself. i cannot go back on anything i have said.
We all know the character of God and that is God is righteous,Holy,loving and cannot lie.
My article is based on God's revealed word.



You mistake God's love for weakness. God is a God of love and Justice. And Justice require that Sinners should be punished and that is what God did to the Amorites and Sodomites e.t.c

Lady39:
Lol...no sir. I live in the U.S... (which has been my home my entire life). I have Igbo genes from my dad...and black American genes from my mom. Just became very interested in exploring my Igbo side (a few years ago). Will get to Nigeria someday soon.

Cool.I thought you reside here in Nigeria.
Is nice to know that you are intrested exploring your Father's roots.

Rossikki:
George Friedmann in his book, The End of the Jewish People, pointedly states that the Europeans claiming to be Jews, are nothing more then "Hebrew speaking Gentiles." The late president of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, stated on television, "you (the Jews) will never be able to live here in peace, because you left here black but came back white. We cannot accept you!''

To identify the true Israelites. We need to go back to Bible prophecies concerning the Destiny of the Israelites in the last days.
The Jews(True Jews) are descendants  of Judah one of the tribes (Sons)of Israel.people mistake Jews as the only Israelities. They were  intailly 12tribes .
AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE
STARS OF HEAVEN, THE DUST OF
THE EARTH!
God promised Abraham that
his descendants would
literally fill the earth...they
would be as innumerable as
the dust of the earth, as
immeasurable as the stars of
heaven, as inestimable as
the sand of the sea. That
indeed is a lot of
descendants of Abraham! So
many assume that the Jews
are the only living
"descendants" of Abraham
on this earth, but they
couldn't be more wrong!
The Jews make up one of 2
tribes (Judah and Benjamin)
from the Southern Kingdom!
The Northern Kingdom of
Israel, had a separate capital
and a separate King! The
Northern Kingdom was
made up of the other 10
rebellious tribes who were
eventually taken captive by
the Assyrians in 722 BC and
they disappeared from the
scene! But in reality, it was all
in God's plan! They were
simply spreading north,
south, east and west as God
had promised Jacob that
they would!.
For Blacks to be the true Israelites they must have accomplished or fulfuilled this Bible prophecies .

1.Spread North,East,West&South. Genesis 28:14   And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. no black nation has done this.

2.Birthright blessings
Genesis  48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.  48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.  48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.  48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
Their is No black great Nation and black company of Nations(Nations that have same ancestry,language ,Culture)

3.Jacob Blesses his Sons.Genesis
49:1-end, you can read it.
Genesis  49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:  49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:  49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel  49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:  49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
No black Nation has acheived world Dominance in Global Economy(blessings of Heaven and of the deep) No black nation has political or military Dominance(Abode in strength,made strong by the hands of God).No black Nation has expanded beyond Africa(Fruitful bough whose branches ran over the wall.)simply means a nation that will expand beyond its boundary and geographical location.

4.A colonizing power:Moses said this about Joseph's Sons.
Deuteronomy  33:1-end, And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,  33:14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,  33:15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,  33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.  33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. to push people to the end of the Earth means( to Colonize or control other Nations)No Black nation has done this.

5.Land Mass and Size.
Deuteronomy  32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
The present Israelites most be found among Nations that have the largest land mass, No black Nation is among the top 10.

6. Possesion of the Gates of their Enemies.
Genesis 22:17   That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
No Black nation has ever done this.

7. Spread of Christainity
Isaiah  49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Blacks where not responsible for the spread of christainity.

0ubenji:
U juz shot urself on the foot...quoted a wonderful bible verse which totally voids the impression u intended for this thread.

If you now, alas, agree on the emboldened, why did u assert in your epistle that God did really hideous things in the bible out of love.
Ain't you tryna blackmail him already?
U dnt understand his ways yet u speak so boldly of his reasons for some things recorded in the old testament?
Are u sure u're being led by the spirit bro?

You are just baised in your argument.
Like I said before God alone can answer for himself. i cannot go back on anything i have said.
We all know the character of God and that is God is righteous,Holy,loving and cannot lie.
My article is based on God's revealed word.



You mistake God's love for weakness. God is a God of love and Justice. And Justice require that Sinners should be punished and that is what God did to the Amorites and Sodomites e.t.c

0ubenji:
according to u..the mass murder God did(not allowed) during Noah's time, sodom nd gomorrah, plague on the Egyptians, massacre of the amalekites(to mention a few) is not enuf for God to show love, as u put it...?
That an obedient servant is now the next best tool...?
Study ur analogies well..
U said the effect of sin.. But job's case had nothing to do with sin. Yet he was afflicted, out of love.
So the next best person to use to show an example of the effects of sin is the one obedient servant without it.. Out of love stil?
Are u following closely how uncorroborating and disconnected the points in ur debate/sermon are turning out to be?

Ur first argument was LOVE being expressed by acts extreme animosity
Now u're circumventing towards LESSONS ON EFFECTS OF SIN..

I am too small to understand God's plan and idea. infact he says in his word.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my
thoughts than your thoughts.
I can only Evangelize i cannot Speak or defend God no being or Mortal Man can defend God
Only God can speak for himself.simple

Lady39:
Oh...it was a vehicle that I had wanted...

Thats Nice.You are based in Lagos right?

0ubenji:
the initiator of a conversation is not a determinant to who whines who.
U seem to av one strange thought that God tries to impress ppl or angels or Satan at the detriment of the well-being of obedient servants in d name of love.
This is exactly the picture your ridiculous story of God's love paints.

God is not trying to impress anybody. The fact is God had to allow the whole Drama to playout on its own, inorder for Everybody to observe and learn the effects of sin.

Lady39:
Well I wasn't vert spiritual growing up. I just did the normal church routine..& prayer before dinner type thing. I knew "of God" but I had no relationship with Him. Was attending a church during my college days--just to thank God for a very, very special gift...& thus began my journey. I did feel after 1 month, that the church wasn't the one I was supposed to be attending..so I began praying...& a few days later my prayer was answered!

Thats Nice. and whats that special gift?

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85q6BOnwIAQ

I finally found a befitting reply to your likes. Enjoy.

You seek for the truth but you stumble on it when you find it.
Who will you believe God's word or Man.

If you have an electronic Bible on your phone that has search function.
Search for the word 'gathered' you will find out several Bible verses that talk about Israel been gathered at the return of Jesus not before.