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Lennycool:
I'm sure it is.
Because we are the ones with an infallible book that claims the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it.

Lennycool:
I was once like Meister5 slowly drifting into the realm of irreligion and Agnostism. You've already seen the truth I doubt you can go back to your former christian ways, but for more about the flaws of religion read
http://godisimaginary.com
Its goes into more detail than hopefullandlord does

felixomor:
Nice to know you are this sincere and open.
Sincerely, many Christians like you and i have been in such a position in the past.

Even Elijah in the bible at a time, almost lost his faith.
Until God showed him 400 other prophets who had not bowed down to Idols.

I feel u brother.
But with this your sincerity, I know God will help you.

Now, what you are going through presently is what many (young males especially) go through before doubting their faith.
It happens when the devil starts a subconscious battle within you.
Take note its a "subconscious" battle.

The devil is trying to help you "normalize" sin and disobedience of God's word.
So he wants to make you feel God doesnt exist

Once he does that, he knows you will start committing sin without feeling reproach.
Nothing else.


We all offend God and sin, but it should never be seen as normal,
We should always ask God for forgiveness when we do.
This is simply what the devil wants you to stop doing.
He wants you to see yourself "bigger than forgiveness"

PLEASE DONT FALL FOR IT.


So right now, he will try to make all evidence of non-existence look real.
But if u look down deep, those evidence dont hold water.
The devil will not even want u to look down deep.


My brother,
The Simple solution is
Keep being accoubtable to God

Anytime u fall into temptation, ask God for forgiveness and repent.
Simple.
Before you know it, the devil will flee.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Shalom Brother,
The Lord is your Strength.

I will remember you in my prayers.

hopefulLandlord:
Okay, you asked for "only Christians" but I can't help gatecrashing



Studies also show that praying for other people either has no effect (if the recipient isn't aware of it) or has a small negative effect (if the recipient is aware of it). This rather suggests that the benefits of prayer are all internal, and that no "Almighty" is listening to them.

Here are my thoughts on prayer. I'll compare how the Christian god acts regarding prayer with how a potential friend might ask.
Let's say I contact a friend and tell her that I need some help doing something; I send an email, make a call, and she never gets back to me, not "Yes" not "No" not "maybe." I'd consider that pretty inconsiderate, though if she was particularly busy I might let it pass. If I ran into her and she said "well, I was going to help you, but I wanted you to stress out, send a few more emails and be more obsequious" I think I'd find a new friend.

None of my friends treat me like this. But this is basically how the Christian god operates.
Some people say that this is the wrong way to look at prayer, and it's like a *conversation.* But conversations require actual communication. Sitting around silently *feeling the presence* or someone or something isn't adequate communication by my standards. Even distant acquaintances do better than the Christian god seems to do here.

So, maybe it's all wrong, and the *only right prayer* is to just tell god "Your way, not my way, I SUBMIT I SUBMIT!" Wow, what a *deep, profound relationship.* It's about the same relationship you would have with a nutcase holding a gun to your head.

All said, remote acquaintances seem to provide a lot more meaningful contact than gods do through prayers.

https://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2011/03/2011-03-24-The-Power-of-Prayer.png


There are stories of people praying to the Christian God and being healed.

There are stories of people praying to non-Christian gods and being healed.

There are stories of people praying to no gods and being healed.

There are stories of members of all three categories who are not healed.

How do we figure out if anything is going on except confirmation bias? We find people who are sick, we have some prayed for and some not, and we see if there is a different recovery rate. The Templeton Foundation - a group inclined to believe that prayer is effective - ran exactly that experiment and found no difference.

I can go on a limb and say You don't have millions of answered prayers; you have millions of people who're determined to believe that their prayers were answered. Big difference.

Explanations for how prayers work are actually justifications for why they don't.

Facebook is interesting . I don't know how many times I've seen " pray for a miracle for x" and then x dies and it's " pray for x's family" or whatever. You would think at some point they'd figure out prayer is useless at best. And I guess some do.

in another example; A few years ago, Texas was having a severe drought. They had state prayer days for rain and filled a stadium with the faithful who prayed for rain. Still there was no rain until the summer was over and then they got so much rain, they had floods.

The latest apology I've heard from theists on why prayer seems so embarrassingly ineffective is that people are praying for the wrong things. Instead of asking for a glass of water or a candy bar, they should be asking for god's will to be done.

Which turns intercessory prayer into a perfectly meaningless exercise. Because whatever happens ... grandma dying from cancer, getting the promotion, little Jimmy Billy Bob getting that 12-year-old girl pregnant ... that was all god's will in the first place. Good, bad or otherwise.

Praying that "Gods will be done" is one of people's last gasps as a theist, when they realise the things they are praying for aren't happening anyway.



exactly!!!

let me state an undisputable fact here, there's NOTHING that can happen to an atheist - be it good or bad in varying degrees - that can't happen to a theist

when I face certain problems which solution to it is beyond my effort, what I do is to simply look at a theist going through similar or worse problem and that's all it takes for me to see that theism isn't the solution to it!

we all fall sick and die regardless our religious standing

we all face issues in life regardless of it too

A child is born, "God is Good all the time"

A Christian brother survives an ailment, "God is good all the time"

A child dies at birth, a Christian brother dies of just malaria despite prayers upon prayers, your loved one had a terrible accident while crossing a road which resulted in amputation....
Typical Christian's consoling words: Ooh don't worry dear, god works in mysterious ways you know. His ways are not our ways. He knows his reasons for everything.

Does god ever protect his followers? Is he even capable??

God doesn't work in mysterious ways. God fails in perfectly obvious ways.

It's high time you guys wake up from slumber and face reality, not defending the stories made by some ancient men from a certain culture with every strength in your body. God was created by man and still defended by the same man & I begin to wonder, can't he at least defend himself?

But no he choose to gossip and play bets with man. I seriously pity JOB

I never realized how much religious people came across as self-important until I broke away from my faith.

It's almost as of a god that does whatever he wants in random whimsy is similar to an entity-less universe that's indifferent to us.
If God is so damn mysterious why is it his followers seem to know exactly what the hell he wants? They also seem to think he's forgiven them for everything they've done and being UTTERLY certain bout his forgiveness.



I've gotten a bit tired here so I'll keep the rest short

the fastest way to become atheist is to read the bible with an open mind





I sense its not really heaven you fear missing, you just fear hell due to the huge level of indoctrination and brainwashing you've been subjected to since you were born and now you're questioning it

I said the below in another thread

Christian heaven doesn't even make sense either

The Bible doesn't say much about what heaven is supposed to be like. Most of the claims about heaven are exaggerations of the Bible. The Bible says the Gates are made of pearl. What are the gates for? Are they made just as an excuse to irritate clams? Are the gates supposed to keep someone out or to keep souls from escaping?

The sales pitch for heaven is that there is only happiness and no sorrow. But it also says that many people's loved ones won't be there. Since they can't feel sorrow about that, are they ecstatic that their loved ones are being tortured forever? Either your memories are removed or your human empathy is removed. Is it really you that is left over once some parts of you have been removed?

If life matters to me now, it will always have mattered to me, even when I am gone. Death cannot change that.

Your best hope is to be locked in a gold cage with your memories of having an actual life being erased just so you can kiss ass for eternity.

Life is pleasant, death is serene. The transition might be troublesome but we all have to go through it. You shouldn't fear death so much. Heaven and hell are imaginary. You should reject the indoctrination. Life is much better that way.





Final word to OP for now

I also faced a lot of the fears you're having right now too on my journey from the delusion of Christianity and theism to atheism; I created a thread on it https://www.nairaland.com/3307224/four-types-fear-faced-journey kindly go through it and read posts by readers of that thread too; I wish you the best in your search for truth

obinna58:
I don't believe in magic, miracle, god, superstition, Satanism OK atheism means the absence of theistic belief. That's it. It doesn't mean anything else. Atheism is not a religion, a philosophy, a worldview, or anything similar. It is not the conviction that there are no gods, ghosts, angels, Rather, it is the absence of a belief that these things are real...Atheism is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or gods.
Anybody who goes beyond is simply not an atheist



Changing my heart so that I can partake in fooling myself and people around me is impossible
I know in your heart you trying to know if u can convert a soul hahah but I wanna let you know that from the bottom of my heart I won't give u any more ffuckk on ur quote cos religious scam has eaten u so deep.

otemanuduno:
No they are not. But I mention them because they study LIFE(the brain) which the religous folks have refused to use.

ScienceWatch:
Good point ! Democratic presidents have limited powers.

otemanuduno:
Simple! many people today would have been sacrificed to Yahweh or Moloch or Allah or any of these low-brained gods who demand blood for removal of mistakes. Here is what the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH said about the use of the brain rather than the use of religion to get things done in life:



What do you thnik the world would have looked like without the scientists? Add yours.

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OLAADEGBU:
If that is the case then Jerusalem does not appear anywhere in the Qur'an it is printed all over the Bible.

ScienceWatch:
I must reply to your brilliant prediction on Hilary Clinton winning and your reason for her win. Yes it is guaranteed that the power that be, will fully support her win. But look now, how America responded to your prediction and the Holy Prophet TB Joshua's prophecy.

American people heard about the prophecy and it shook them enough to rush at the last minute and change America's history.

America have never in it history experienced an election like this one. God used reverse psychology ! God blocked the Atheist Hilary to make way for a long overdue change. Christians world wide can breath easier. Free at last !

obinna58:
U are mistaken
I guess u wanted to say Christianity messed up people's life, Look I'm greaful for who I am, I have no enemy nor very true friend, I'm sure u have plenty of demon which are pursuit to own ur soul as told by ur forgery bible
I will advise u to focus more on ur spiritual tricky mind and beg ur unexisting god for a world of no atheist
Lol
Analice u seems to be intelligent but u failed to use it rightfully.

obinna58:
Demon possessed
Another scam used by pastors in order to religiously enslave their victim and collect the little they have

Sometimes I wonder why people choose to embrace lies
All through their life time.
Though I ll put the blame on Europeans, they kept all their intelligence at home and decided to save us from burning eternity in lake of fire.

analice107:
Obinna85 Come over here. Read and insult me.

analice107:
Well, probably the ones who do not want to feel accountable for their sinful lives. either way, they will acoount.

analice107:
Look beyond them. They are just willing stooges in Satan's hands. The real Man is satan.

analice107:
Are they sleeping atheists? I doubt that.

TheNazarene:
From the onset it was very plain that atheists were satanists/satanic because they claim there is no God not that there is no satan; as far as creation is concerned satan is no god, his goal of becoming a god is just fairy tale and he knows that but he is just using his 'goal' as a bait to take many to hell with him.

satan knows he can/will never be a god talkless of dethroning God!





And to whom says he has never seen a Christian with so much hatred against other beliefs...well I don't think you know what hatred is, for real, you don't know what hatred is, hope it won't be late by the time you know hatred to understand that JESUS LOVES YOU.

onetrack:
Because I do not worship anything, I suppose I could be considered a Satanist since Satan does not exist.

Satisfied?

notjonbellion:
Mr BlueAgent we have heard it all. None of these conspiracy theories are new
Athiests are Satanists
Jews are satanists
Charles Darwin was a mason
The catholic church is satanic
Islam is satanic
The pope is the antichrist
Obama was supposed to be the antichrist now it's trump that's the antichrist
The Jews long awaited messiah will turn out to be the antichrist
JWs are satanic
Seven day Adventists are Satanic
Smh
It's people like you and analice107 that make skeptics assume all christians are idiots

Muafrika2:
Theory: Ancient Egypt was European ...

http://newobserveronline.com/ancient-white-egypt-march-of-the-titans-proven-right/

Now some Jews fled or were held in bondage all over the world, including Europe. But all Europeans are not Jews ...



Ancient Babylonians ...

Mordern European languages are related to Akkadian, the ancient language of Babylonians.

analice107:
When i call all the atheists in this forum demon possessed, i know exactly what am saying. And, HopefullandLord knows exactly what am saying that's why he attacks me.

Satan's agenda has always been to oppose and counter the Word of God, just as they are doing here.


All, atheists are satanists.


Just Say anything against satan and see.

Say anything against muslims and see.

Say anything against homosexuals and see.

But when they say anything against Christ whom they believe does not exist, they gladly come out dancing.

BUT, here is what awaits you all.

Direct from the stable of an atheist, whose vocal cord Satan took over and expressed himself.

"...Yet I have power within my youthful arms To clench and crush you (i.e., personified
humanity) with tempestuous force,While for us both the abyss yawns in darkness.
You will sink down and I shall follow laughing,Whispering in your ears 'Descend,come with me, friend'".

This was said by a man the world believed was an atheist. A non believer in hell. hahahahahahaha. No wonder the idea of hellfire hunts every atheist.


I mentioned here that Friedrich Nietzsche the supposed world famous and fiercest atheist, was a Zoroastrian (Satanic) Member. Sonoflucifer came for my heard.

You all are Satanists. All.

SirWere:
I don't even know which one to adress : the incoherent mishmashed cherry picking in the OP or the nonsenical claims about nietszche and Zoroastrianism that sprung up after it.

analice107:
Why should you be confused? You have just two options to pick from. Pick one and address. But, before you do, i hope you have read, "Thus Spoke Zarasthra?$.

Muafrika2:
So who are the real Egyptians?
Babylonians
Romans?

Because if you search you will find equally convincing theories that they were the ancestors of the current Europeans.

Toks2008:
It has been a subject of debate for many years that the weekly religious gathering of christians ought to be on saturday which is considered to be the original sabbath day the last day of the week and not sunday which happens to be the first day of the week.

Before we go on let's quickly read these very important biblical passages.

"Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord” (Romans 14:5–6a )."

“But now that you know God or rather are known by God — how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years” (Galatians 4:9–10 ).

From the passages above we can see clearly that whether you worship on Saturday or Sunday and whether you choose to worship God everyday, it's absolutely your choice and there is no need to be enslaved by the act of keeping a special day.

As for the reason many christians worship on sunday i believe an examination of New Testament passages shows us important points:

1.The Jewish Sabbath was abolished at the cross where Christ “canceled the written code, with its regulations” (Colossians 2:14 ).

2) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1 , 9 , 10 ; Mark 16:9 ;Luke 24:1 , 13 , 15 ; John 20:19 , 26 ).

3).The new testament never mentioned any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2

Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12 , this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly.

4).Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26 ;
Romans 6:14 ). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday.

In conclusion,we are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

iamawara:
Oyibos no believe in this nonsense. Why this evil? So sad. Those responsible should not go free just like that

felixomor:
You will never make sense, Why?

hahn:
Only Christians are stupid enough to believe in witches

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