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LiberaDeus:
Stop lying to prove a point.
If Muslim worship the black stone then Catholics worship the Madonna statue.

I am not a Muslim but I know fully well that Muslims believe that there is no god but god. They also believe that he can't be known fully, his form can't be defined and it is a taboo or banned for any Muslim to make any image or representation of Allah.

Stop defaming other religions. There is no major religion that worships an animal or idol, they just use them as symbols just like Catholics.

Like i said before Catholics brought most of pagan traditions into christainity,so you cannot use them as a yardstick to judge christains.you will understand me better if you have knowledge about Bible propheices

All other religeons believe in polytheism and worship several objects,animals or things. but christains worship the creator and not the creatures.

azimibraun:
What is Temitope's position on MMM? abi he has not recoverd from the US election wrong prediction or he is playing safe?

Lol... the dude is playing defensive.

hopefulLandlord:
kindly do as I told you and you'll see them

I like i have said before i have read about other religeons and nothing factual.
You can give examples.

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rexben:
The words of Jesus are recorded in the synoptic gospels

Stop deceiving yourself the Bible says
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness

LiberaDeus:
Guy you make me laugh. Let me debunk your points one by one.

1. You say gods are referenced through material things. Sorry to burst your bubble, Zeus is not worshipped through any idol, Allah is not and has never been worshipped by any idol. The Catholics have statues of Christ and pray before that statue.
The cattles that the Indians revere do not refer or represent their major supreme being which is Brahman. The cattles represent lesser gods. Brahman is not worshipped through idols but if you claim so then I can say Jehovah is worshipped through idols, the old testament Jews had an ark of the covenant which can be called an idol, Christians also have statues of Mary, Christ etc.

The only religion that has no idols is Islam.

2. What are you even saying about origins. Even the amadioha priest in my village can tell you how amadioha created the world. All religions have stories of how the world began. Zoroastrianism had it before Christianity, the Greek religions had an earlier creation story than Christians or even Jews and their story has been used to create movies like clash of the titans, Ifa religion has a creation story. Hindus have theirs, Chinese have theirs also. So your claim is so false that I can't even imagine why you would make it.


3. Please tell me any specific prophecy in the bible that has been fulfilled. Even the most important messianic prophecies have not been fulfilled that's why the Jews reject your Jesus.

4. Any solution you feel Christianity has given then I can tell you that others have given such solutions.

Guy your claims are not befitting of a forum like this.

The Ark of testament in the old testament was not an Idol. it was never a symbol of worship. muslims worship and bow to the black stone in mecca.
I have said it several times that Catholics. is the Babaylon prophiesed by the Bible long ago. it was the catholic church that brought worship of Mary and pagan customs in christainity.
All other creation accounts still endup as myths and most defy logic.

You can google about fullfilled Bible prophecies.
www.stevenmcollins.com/html/usa_in_prophecy.html

hopefulLandlord:
no offense but your post reeks of too many ignorance!

put your hole-ly buybull down and research on other religions and gods, I'm sure you'll never type such again if you do the research

Chai!!!

What is the ingnorance?
Can you give me creation account and other accounts from other religeons that is consistent?

MrMontella:
jesus!

Of course Jesus, the Son of God.

frank317:
U are so confused... What an ignorant comment!!!

You are the one who is confused. you Athiests suffer from tunnel vision. you live in one dimensional fantasy bubble.
For your information i have read the Koran,the Bible, i have alot of occultic books and most other religeous books.am not someone who is known to be baised. i say things without sentiments.

The same way athiesm was invented is the same way all other religeons have been invented inorder to Supress Christainity and create doubt in the mind of people. am not saying all non christains are going to Hell, No. God is merciful. the Bible says in the time of ingnorance God forebears. he alone knows how he will judge the world. but be rest assured it will be fair and Just becos God is a God of Justice.

God allowed all this other religeon and problems in this world to manifest in order that his adversary Satan's real character will be seen by all and understood .

MrMontella:
asin ehn..
I started having mixed having mixed reactions about the guy when he asked me why there is no gravity on the moon...
Ignorance!

And yet you could not explain to me why astronuts experience weightlessness in Space MR Science?

felixomor:
Its yours that says ur ancestors came out of an accidental explosion that makes sense abi?

Only their Expolsion leads to creation.may be Boko Haram has to explain. to us their own type of Expolsion.

LiberaDeus:
Please what makes god of the bible the true god. I want to know .
I don't want to argue, please I want to believe
Can you kindly give me 3 facts to support that claim Thanks in advance

The God of the Bible which is the christain God is the only true God. gods of other religeon are worshipped and referenced through objects,material things like India's religeon were they believe cattle is scared. but God can only be worshiped in spirit becos he is a spirit. Only the God of the Bible. has given us clear narrative or view about the origin of man and the Universe.gods of other religeon don't claim to have made man or the Universe. Bible prophecies given over 3000yrs ago have been furfilled and more will still happen. All the other religeons have several stories and myths about man and his origin. only Christainity affirms that man was created,no other religeon has given reasons or solution to world problems only christainity has given us The reason for this problems with a promise to end it.

Sibe007:
Interesting claim here.

Any proofs or reasons why?? Educate a brother on how we made other gods and not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible which is the christain God is the only true God. gods of other religeon are worshipped and referenced through objects,material things like India's religeon were they believe cattle is scared.
but God can only be worshiped in spirit becos he is a spirit.
Only the God of the Bible. has given us clear narrative or view about the origin of man and the Universe.gods of other religeon don't claim to have made man or the Universe.

Bible prophecies given over 3000yrs ago have been furfilled and more will still happen.
All the other religeons have several stories and myths about man and his origin. only Christainity affirms that man was created,no other religeon has given reasons or solution to world problems only christainity has given us The reason for this problems with a promise to end it.

hahn:
The moment you realize that every single religion can come up with such quotes to defend and prove why their god is real is the day your mind will be open

There is no other religeon that give answers to questions realating to the origin and end of Man and the Universe like Christainity.

LiberaDeus:
All your claims are claims from authority that you don't have. Let me address them one by one

1. Concerning pleasures, who is more selfish. You Christians maintain belief for the sake of a mansion in the sky with all the goodies4 of life to be enjoyed forever and ever and ever. You guys are basically drawn with a carrot for something that doesn't exist. You are like the medieval Spanish that were after an Eldorado in the new world. Many Spaniards sold all their property to achieve that Eldorado. Nothing but pure greed.
What's even worse is that the Christians that are meant to sacrifice selfish pleasures never do that. They hang on to it till death, its like eating your cake and having it. Most Christians fornicate, steal, embezzlement, hate and do all sorts of horrible things and they still hope for the eternal blessing of heaven.
Now who has more selfish desires, the atheists that have accepted the 80 year life as the only they have and are not drawn by any fantastic claims or the Christians who want an eternity of enjoyment and still want to hang on to their earthly desires.

2. You don't know what's in anyone's heart. Can you tell me my real name or my state of origin? Can you tell me whre I am typing from? How can you now know what's in my heart. You have never been a freethinker while ironically most of us have been religious. You know only what's in your mind . If you have a spouse, you can't even know exactly the extent of love the person has for you so how can you estimate what we are thinking when we lie down when you don't even know the part of the world or country that we lie down in.

3. If you say nothing is hidden before God. I have just one question. Which God ? Allah, Vishnu, Brahman, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda. Please I need to know which god.

4. All your other statements still lead to the question. Which God.

The reason we are having this argument is becos of the conflict among the gods posing to be the true God. only God of the Bible is the true God all other gods of other religeons are man made gods.

LiberaDeus:
Don't mind these Christians.

They think that by collectively repeating to themselves that atheists are dumb that they will convince them selves of it.

Any honest Christian can tell you that agnostics and atheists are generally better read and more exposed on average than Christians. We might be few but most Christians know that agnostics and atheists generally have more knowledge than them. Many even claim that we reject god because we think we know too much.

Now these wankers on this thread are trying so hard to rewrite facts and claim that
the opposite is the case.

You claim you have More knowledge than Christains.
I laugh at U. i have never seen any Athiests that can match my knoweledge in any area even if i am in a Coma.

jonbellion:
you do know your comments are not making any sense. You're not refuting what he's saying you're using other christian scientists comments to support the fact that since they believed in God then God must exist

I just proved that Christanity does not limit ones ability to pratice and excel in Science.

jonbellion:
what you said had nothing to do with his comment
He said he is agnostic
Don't you know the meaning of agnostic

Of course i know what is agnostism. but why do you athiests claim that he is an Athiests?

LiberaDeus:
Guy I just read this post and I almost fainted.

C'mon even your other apologists won't use this argument.

Is there any body that doesn't know that Richard Dawkins is an avowed atheist who totally despises the Christian concept of god.
So if I am to show you a link that says that Hitler was in love with the Jews won't you know that the statement was taken out of context?

I don't need to open that link cause I know Dawkins more than you do and I am 100 percent sure that the only fine tuning Dawkins is talking of is the fine tuning as a result of natural selection and evolution.

You even have the guts to present this as evidence

Are you show you read the article and Dawkins statement about the low probability of the world originating by chance?

LiberaDeus:
And am sure you and Werner von Braun know more than Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein who are atheist and pantheist respectively.

If you can't summarize his views and give your opinion of his views then what's the use? I can also be calling great scientists that don't believe but I won't because i am not running under the canopy of another persons intellect.

Like i said Hawkins and most scientists do not believe in a random or chaos beginging of the World.
Secondly Aberlt Enisten was not an Athiests.

Everyone who is seriously involved in the
pursuit of science becomes convinced
that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the
Universe–a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which
we with our modest powers must feel humble.”
“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people
who say there is no God. But what really or makes
me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”
–Albert Einstein
Clark, Ronald W. (1971). Einstein: The Life and
Times . New York: World Publishing company

LiberaDeus:
In case you don't know, the electron can be seen with the human eye with the aid of electron microscope. That analogy is useless.

And even if we can't see an electron, can we also see love? Can we see hate? Can we see the wind or electricity? The answer is No
But we can surely feel their effects

Am not against the belief in a god. I am an agnostic so I accept the possibility of intelligent beings existing before mankind or even planet earth.
The only thing I am against is the religious personal creator that you religious people have created.


I will ask you the same things that I asked one other christian. Please what is the proof that all the wonderful things we talk about was created by Yahweh the Jewish god whom Christians claim to serve alongside his son Jesus Christ?

II guess you know better than

—Werner von Braun, the father of space
science and the most important rocket
scientist involved in the development of the
U.S. space program.

MrMontella:
sorry to say tho... Your write up is really stupid

Are sure? he just painted a true picture of an Athiests

LiberaDeus:
Think for yourself and stop posting others comments.

I can as well be posting Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking. Why use will that be? I have my own points and thoughts and I will be bring them out.

Even your Dawkins believes that the world did not originate by chance.

www.nairaland.com/3300679/science-view-fine-turning-universe

solite3:
Atheists are very slow and dull.
One of them said that until God wear jersey and take a stroll to a basketball court he will not believe. African atheists are particularly stupid and irrationally close minded. some white atheist are open minded and are very open to rational discussion.
There is nothing like African atheist only blacks who take white as their god become atheists. Ask them question you see them quoting theories and philosophy of their white masters, this is why africa is at the background in everything. Some Black people's mentality is too poor!

I concur 100%

Teempakguy:
I have only myself to be blamed for engaging these guys in the first place. That's why I get mentioned in stupid threads like this.

So in other words, our guy left atheism due to a appeal to authority fallacy, right? "A prof said it can't be done. So, it can't be done"

I suppose if max Planck, Leonhard Euler, Nikola Tesla, the wright brothers, and Steve Jobs were like our boy here, the world would have been as advanced as this.

Please refrain from wasting my time like this in the future.

He just got over the fantasy and delusion of Bigbang and Evolution.

All the scientist and people you called where not Athiests.

www.nairaland.com/3452546/scientists-quotes-god

LiberaDeus:
With all your points about some things not being discovered by science, doesn't it debunk your case.

Science with all its experiments and technology doesn't know what happened before the big bang but you think its religion with its dogma and archaic holy books that can discover.

In case you don't understand what god of the gaps is,

Let me explain it
Wonderful things in nature happen and you call them supernatural, historical things that can't be rediscovered have occured and we know science can't decipher them with its tools. We now have a void of knowledge that science hasn't filled because its logical and it's beyond its grasp,

Now the same people who claim science can't know now claim that they know.
Not just that they know buy that they know the name of the person that did it.
They know his son, they know his chosen tribe, they know the miracles he has performed, they know his will for their lives and all that. Now how do these people know?

They know by a logical, ancient book written in human language and logical constructs, the same logic that science can't use to decipher anything the only difference is that their logic is actually weaker.
They also claim they know by spiritual revelation, how do they know that the revelation is spiritual? They have a conviction.

They use the strength of their so called spiritual conviction to claim that they know and it's beyond science.

They don't know that they are unknowingly using science and logic, if you feel you have an experience that is so wonderful and supernatural and because of that experience you are sure that the spiritual is real, you are actually using logic because you are claiming that the conviction and experience with a greater effect on you is the real one which is basically logical comparison.

Christians and other religious people, if you claim that science can't know every thing, that's fine with us cause personally I don't believe science can know every thing, the only thing we ask is , how do you Christian know everything? Science doesn't know but you know. Is that not arrogance?

“If we need an atheist for a debate, we go to
the philosophy department. The physics
department isn’t much use.”
—Robert Griffiths, winner of the Heinemann
Prize in mathematical physics.

hahn:
Nothing is perfect. Atheists might be wrong for not believing in any supreme being. That is if any actually exist.

The lack of evidence that this "God" exists is what keeps atheists ambivalent of the concept.

Till "God" shows itself in a suit or a basketball jersey it will continue to be treated as non existent by those who require evidence and don't subscribe to blind belief

“They (evolutionists) challenge science to
prove the existence of God. But must we really
light a candle to see the sun? They say they
cannot visualize a Designer. Well, can a
physicist visualize an electron? What strange
rationale makes some physicists accept the
inconceivable electron as real while refusing
to accept the reality of a Designer on the
grounds that they cannot conceive Him?”
Although I know of no reference to Christ
ever commenting on scientific work, I do know
that He said, “Ye shall know the truth, and the
truth shall make you free.” Thus I am certain
that, were He among us today, Christ would
encourage scientific research as modern man’s
most noble striving to comprehend and admire His Father’s handiwork. The universe as
revealed through scientific inquiry is the living
witness that God has indeed been at work.”
—Werner von Braun, the father of space science and the most important rocket scientist involved in the development of the U.S. space program.

promisechuks:
I just marvel when people say that atheists are intelligent folks. it is an abuse on "Intelligence".

Lol.....Irony they are DUMB like Rock.

promisechuks:
Another foolish deception is this nonsense logic of God of gap, this and that.

what I saying here is not for you, the quoted, because it is a waste on you.

There are things that are OBVIOUSLY not explainable by sciences. in this case, saying that science will discover one day is a just a wishful thinking borne out of a weird delusion, ignorance, dishonesty, stupidity and denial.

for the unknown to have a tendency of being discovered by science, it must have a scientific basis. it just like saying that science will discover what happened before big bang. that's simply dumb, because the natural laws(science) that we have now is not the same with what we have before big bang. it is opposite.

There is no way you can discover something with an opposing view, other wise you are just creating A NEW LIE that will be debunked one day.

so, when something is obvious that it doesn't work under the natural laws we have now in the world, it means for that to have happened, there must have been an outside force. and that force must not be a natural force, but Supernatural.

I Concur 100%

“A Creator must exist. The Big Bang ripples
and subsequent scientific findings are clearly
pointing to an ex nihilo creation consistent with the first few verses of the book of Genesis.”
–Quantum chemist Henry F. Schaefer III ,five time nominee for the Nobel Prize, as above.

bennyann:
I see it's more about pleasure, selfish pleasure. Most of the atheists know the truth but they allow their selfish desires dictate for them, especially the Christians turned atheists.

Anyway, they're witnesses to themselves of how fulfilled they are with acting out their desires and how empty or unhappy they are on their beds afterwards.

They are witnesses to themselves. they may defend themselves right here with every weapon they can find, but deep down their hearts they know.

The amazing thing is that nothing is hidden before God.

What's the essence of selfish desires at the expense of true happiness. Indeed, wisdom is not really common.

We've all forgotten everything God does is for our sake.

As long as you're not connected to God, all the form of pleasures of this world you partake in will never, never lead to happiness, not to talk of joy.

I wish all of us grace.

I concur 100%

hopefulLandlord:
all these questions are called "God of the gaps"

it simply goes like this

Atheist: I don't believe there's a god

Theist: do you know how life came about and how the earth and the universe came about?

Atheist: I don't know but I won't fill replace that ignorance of mine with an imaginary being

basically "Because current science hasn't figured out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start"

you can always use this logic for almost any question we are yet to get answers to but it doesn't do god any favours

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been discouraged by many theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge increases, the dominion of God decreases.

as for morality, the fact that we got rid of slavery and slave trade shows that our morals didn't come from any imaginary being, almost all religions in the world sees nothing wrong in slavery or straight up endorses it but we as humans realised it has no place in modern life

also consider the fact that morality actually varies from society to society and two different societies can have differing morals despite claiming to worship the same god!

Stop decieving yourself Science is not a yardstick to searchout God's existences

“Science is incompetent to reason upon the
creation of matter itself out of
nothing. We have reached the utmost limit of our thinking faculties when we have admitted that because matter cannot be eternal and self-existent it must have been created.”— Physicist and mathematician James
Clerk Maxwell, who is credited with formulating classical electromagnetic theory and whose contributions to science are considered to be of the same magnitude to those of Einstein and
Newton.

LambanoPeace:
Trust me, these folks are believing folks who don't want to be held responsible for their immorality.

I once asked one on what does he base his morality.. Come see grammar na.

Asked him how did life come and how come there's much order in the earth.... come see More grammar.. Ok, what do you believe brought the earth.. More grammar..


How come people grow old and die even though their cells regenerate every time.. . More grammar.


Wait now, the fella would do two things, throw invectives around or more grammar.

Lol...they sound like dictionary that can only define a word using another word.
eg. who is Ape. Ape is son of B.who is B? B is father of Ape. and so on nothing reasonable.