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Syncan:
May God help us speak the truth when we see it. One thing with truth is that it's always simple, not hidden in much words, when we find ourselves using many words in place of a simple answer,then we need to re-examine, there exists a problem there, probably at the beginning. So my friend do find a simple answer for him... and for us too.

Wats the Simple answer?
Do you know what it.means for one to use his Discretion?

PastorAIO:
Shaaaarrrappp there! Liar!!! I said nothing of the sort. We are talking of representations of things and beings that exist in heaven or earth. Not representation to god. See you! You're even ready to butcher english language just to get away with your repulsive lies.

What is a representation to god? Is that correct english?

You are confused. you are not making any Coherent statement.

PastorAIO:
Shaaaarrrappp there! Liar!!! I said nothing of the sort. We are talking of representations of things and beings that exist in heaven or earth. Not representation to god. See you! You're even ready to butcher english language just to get away with your repulsive lies.

What is a representation to god? Is that correct english?

You are confused. you are not making any meanfull statement.

ValentineMary:
As I said earlier, for a guy who thinks pillars hold d clouds, u can't obviously understand cell biology. Not that bullshit u did in sec school. As Johnny said engaging u is an obvious waste of time. Have a nice day

You are a big clown.who said pillars are holding the cloud?. That's a metaphor.

You are just looking for a way to escape. Apetheist .

PastorAIO:
How much money are you prepared to pay your legally wedded wife to stay with you for a term of many days? And after the term is over where would you expect her to go?

Hosea goes to a woman who is with a companion.

He pays for her to stay with him.

It is an exclusive contract to last a set term of 'many days'.

Does that sound like husband and wife to you?

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I have not read about this your claim. companion does not translate to meaning ones Husband.

PastorAIO:
actually Matthew was probably written in hebrew but that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Why are you just bent on twisting Jesus' words?

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

I don't know how you want to draw a distinction between 'the mere fact of being angry' and some other kind of anger. Jesus made no such distinctions and in light of the context it is obvious that Jesus is addressing the sentiments that lead to murder. The sentiment in and of itself is what shall be judged, not only the action that it leads too.


The same thinking is also applied to adultery and Jesus makes it clear that it is the lustful thoughts that are judged not just when you act on your lustful thoughts.

27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Read the beatitudes thoroughly and if you still think that I'm wrong I'll agree to give up trying to persuade you.

Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .JESUS himself was tempted . but falling for the temptation is Sin.
That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally.


James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under
trial, for when he has stood the test he will
receive the crown of life, which God has
promised to those who love him. Let no one say
when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by
God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and
he himself tempts no one. But each person is
tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own
desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives
birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings
forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved
brothers.

PastorAIO:
Do you know what an idol is? Please look it up.

You don't make representations of Idols. Idols are themselves representations.

You can make an idol of Shango. Shango is the spirit, the idol is the representation.

The Ark is a representation of the throne of Yahweh. The two cherubim (or are they seraphim) above the throne are representations of heavenly beings.

You said it yourself . they were made to God. and served a temporary purpose. so what's your argument. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son as a test. which Abraham almost did, but was stopped by God. does this imply in anyway that God wants us to kill our Children on his behalf. No it was just a medium to test Abraham's faith with what he loved most , his Son.
Same with the Ark.

Remember the Children of Israel made a molten calf by Aaron to serve as their god.
So God instructed Moses to make the Ark not necessarily. as a Subsistue ,but to help the Children of Israel to Fear and acknowledge his presence.

otemanuduno:
The proof of evolution is in the fossils discovered. Go and read more about evolution and you'll know it's the fact. In fact, you can be about 90% correct about the reality of life if you are science-minded than if you are religious.

Anyway, DOMINO REVERAD, the God of the brain is here to set all religious folks free from worshipping small small gods and their pastors and imam. REVERAD is the God who made the big bang if you may know.

Clown. the same Evolution that contracdicts itself and the very foundation of Science.
Based on your Evolution theory which one came first. egg or the Hen? becos one has to exist before your so called Evolution takes place.

patches689:
Dude the democratic party is the racist party in America

They were behind slavery (Abe Lincoln was a republican)

Democrats passed Jim Crow Laws (American Apartheid)

And they are the ones that are behind abortion that targets poor people - especially blacks. Last year in new york (Democratic) more black babies were aborted then born.

The Democrats welfare system has also destroyed the black community - in 1960 before welfare, only 25% of blacks were born to single mothers and black unemployment was simular to white unemployment. Go look at the figures for today.

Reminder: The first black Senator was a republican and the first black man to sit on the American cabinet was also a Republican

You did not get my point. I said Hiliary Clinton will win not becos I want her to or becos the electorate will vote her. No she will win becos the elites have selected her to win.
Look both Democrats and Republican are both sides of the same coin. they are both controlled by the Elites. Trumps is justing acting out his scripts.

On blacks .Welfare has not contributed to blacks having chidren aside wedlock. it just black culture not welfare.
Norway,Qatar, Sweden,Denmark and many more .are places were people get so much welfare .even to the extent people are paid for getting married or having Children. but you don't see them having lots of children aside wedlock.

patches689:
Stop reading the huffington post

Its liberal gutter-press fit for balding white guys in their 40s who are ashamed of their whiteness

On point bro.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, you go look for one line answer tire.

Lol.... I tire for this kind person. God help us.

ValentineMary:
Humans contain over 200 bones. Can u say humans are bones humans contain over 10 ¹² cells. Are humans cell ?

And who told u scientist don't understand d complexity of d cell? Oga if u are ignorant about something just shut up and say I don't know. From a guy who thinks protein is a cell, I don't expect much though.

Clown, show us the prove .that they understand competely the complexity of those cells.

Dottore:
Attention seeker. Ok you got my attention. What next

Say what ever you like. just take note.

Immorttal:
Nnaa, the fact remains that does stuffs are nonentities,satan and god was invented by humanity as a control resource tool on civility and immorality. I did not bother to check the link though ,forgive me for that
atheism might have occultic roots or origins but understand that religion is a cult made public.

I laugh at U. You are scared of finding out the truth. you rather live in ingnorance. as they say ingnorance is Bliss.

A lie will remain a Lie, even if the whole world believe it. and the truth will always remain the truth even if the whole world deny it.

Let me ask you .do you believe their is magic?
Do you know their are Satanist? do you know that NWO is real?
Have you asked yourself the reason for mass immigration in Europe. the reason why US dollars has a pyramid and the all seeing eyes of Horus. do you know the reason behind the west promoting gay rights, transgender, interracial miarrage,ponography. have U asked yourself why all the hiphop artist flash one eye or the satan Salute , including world leaders. and many more strange things that are happening.

If Christainity was invented by elites to control Humanity. why are they now fighting it.passing gay right laws, outlawing teaching of the bible creation in Schools, supporting transgender and same sex miarrage, persecuting and killing Christains. I mean since Christainity is their control tool. are they fighting against their own weapon?

I want to give you one prediction. Hiliary Clinton will win US presidential election not becos she will be elected by the people. No but becos the elites want her as the next Potus.

Brigance:
You seem to confuse nature with normalcy/morality(that which is generally endorsed).

This is not only wrong, it is equally pernicious, especially if inspired by a jaundice of religion.

Let me shock you: Anything that happens within nature is natural. Nevertheless, as a result of the evolution of the human society, not every natural item/act/occurence should be accepted or allowed.

This is the primal function of law/legality. To sanction morality and social opprobrium while disapproving that which is harmful and and injurious to the human society.

Well, this is the dicey part. And legislators(well, in this part of the world do not know any better. Law is expected to enforce morality in relation to fellow citizens and society in general and not what a subjective individual or group of people(religion is a major culprit here) think is right.


This is sufficient background for what is to come.





I find this almost certainly hypocritical and ignorant( I included ignorant because i was once in the same thought train as you, so I consider it necessary to point at).

To marshal this, Let us distinctly consider the definition of homosexuality and pedophilism.

Homosexuality is a consensual sexual activity between two adults of same gender.

Conversely, paedophilism necessarily suggests that a party to the sexual activity is underage, thus unable to confer proper consent.

There's a wealth of reality to buttress this. More than 117 countries of the world population legalised gay marriage.

Has any legalised paedophilism? Totally No.

Does homosexuality corrupt public morals? Yes it does. But not more than heterosexuality does.

Are you disgusted by the act of homosexuality? Well, you're allowed to.

But if you're disgusted at the slght of a curb of corn, would you say anyone who eats a corn be punished? Your guess is as good as mine.

Check, if your religion makes you prejudicial and anti- human, drop them.

Every time people are allowed to choose their own moral values or any society where moral values are degraded. it leads to chaos and instability. just like we have Court of law that are setup to settle disputes between two or more parties.why becos it is believed the court will be unbiased. left with the parties every one of them, will want a favourable verdict. same with moral values. if each and every one of us is left to pick our moral values it will only lead to Chaos. so like the Court, God is unbaised and Neutral. his wisdom infinite and been our maker. he is the only one who knows and understands what is best for his products(Human beings)

I guess you will agree with me that , Samsung,Apple and any manufacturer has the right to design their products the way they like it. and also that , they have the moral capacity or right to instruct people on how to use their products. same with God. we are just vessels in the hand of God. we have no right to question God's descisions .

Eg of the effect of bad moral values.

Eleven states sue US government over
transgender bathroom policy. it only leads to confusion and chaos.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/25/eleven-states-sue-us-government-transgender-bathroom-laws

Paye88:
[/color]The basis of any religion is Faith...Simply put, the atheist has no faith in anything. Ab initio Man has attributed what is greater than his understanding to a Higher power. E.g if you cannot understand the Machinations of Day and Night or the Moon and stars, any naturally and right thinking human being disposed to critical reasoning will know that there's a power greater which he consciously recognizes as "Higher". Like the writer said initially, Atheists are just being Irrational.

[color=#990000]The basis of any religion is Faith...Simply put, the atheist has no faith in anything. Ab initio Man has attributed what is greater than his understanding to a Higher power. E.g if you cannot understand the Machinations of Day and Night or the Moon and stars, any naturally and right thinking human being disposed to critical reasoning will know that there's a power greater which he consciously recognizes as "Higher". Like the writer said initially, Atheists are just being Irrational.

The basis of any religion is Faith...Simply put, the atheist has no faith in anything. Ab initio Man has attributed what is greater than his understanding to a Higher power. E.g if you cannot understand the Machinations of Day and Night or the Moon and stars, any naturally and right thinking human being disposed to critical reasoning will know that there's a power greater which he consciously recognizes as "Higher". Like the writer said initially, Atheists are just being Irrational.

Nice writeup. the funny thing is that this clowns keep advocating that Religeon cannot explain human existence more accuratly than Science. but they fail to understand that every other explaination for the origin of Man and the Universe other than that of creation. contracdicts the very foundation of Science.

The second law of thermodynamics
proves that organization cannot flow from
chaos. Complex live organisms cannot
rearrange themselves into an organism of
a higher form as claimed by evolutionists.
This is scientifically backwards according
to the second law of thermodynamics,
which has never been proven wrong.
The universe is slowing down to a lower
state, not higher. The genes of plants,
insects, animals, and humans are
continually becoming defective, not
improving. Species are becoming extinct,
not evolving. Order will always move
naturally towards disorder or chaos.

PastorAIO:
Hosea 3:1 calls it adultery. Unless you want to now say that you know pass the bible.

Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes.”

You are contracdicting yourself. the woman was an Adulteress. not her union with Hosea.
She was not married to anybody.
God used Hosea's miarrage to the adultress woman to make a point to the children of Iseral. who were like the adultress woman unfaithful to God(Hosea) inspite if God's faithfullness and plead to them to return back to him. it would have contradicted God's moral law. if God had told Hosea to sleep with different women other than the Adultress woman who Hosea married legally.

ValentineMary:
Did u actually read that link u shared I doubt. Protein can be classified based on their 3D conformation either in a sub family. Proteins are either primary, secondary, tetiary, or quatenary structure. O boy! read that link u shared it says nothing of protein being cells. Unless u want to call pirons cell but they are not though they are proteins that cause diseases. As a biochemist I would like to give u a good lecture on proteins but I doubt u would understand, for a guy who believes d cloud is held by a pillar. Anyways u know nothing of natural science u are just an engineer. And a disgrace to d engineering community.

Clown. Internet Biochemist. your type excel only in cram and pour.

From my little knowledge of Biology i know that The minimal cell contains more than
60,000 proteins of 100 different configuration

Your emphais should be on how sceintists are unable to understand the complexity of this Cells .that are more complex than a Boeing 727

PastorAIO:
Bwahahahahahahahah!!!! God has catched you.

You are just making things up bobs. Where did you learn that the word used means only to be violently angry in hebrew? What book taught you that, or which school or pastor taught you that?

Let us even accept that Matthew was written in Hebrew, the version we use today came down to us from a GREEK translation. Further more Jesus made the point that to even diss someone and call them a 'fool' is a sin. So the point is that even the slightest tendency to anger is considered a sin.

True; the New testament was written in Greek. My earlier assertation is still right. becos JESUS gave an example by saying. anyone who calls his brother a fool is at risk of going to Hellfire .which means it is not just the mere fact of been angry, but allowing ones anger to lead to violence or use of vain words.

You are just bent on looking for loopholes in the Bible were there are not. you don't understand verse of the Bible . does not make the Bible less Authentic.

PastorAIO:
Actually it is in the old covenant, the ten commandments, that God says don't make any graven image. and hardly a few chapters pass afterwards and when Moses is told to make the Ark of the covenant with graven images on top. And he is told to make the bronze serpent. So there is a contradiction to your claim that the moral code does not change.

Was the Ark done to represent an Idol? was it done to with any Idol in mind?

ValentineMary:
Did u actually read that link u shared I doubt. Protein can be classified based on their 3D conformation either in a sub family. Proteins are either primary, secondary, tetiary, or quatenary structure. O boy! read that link u shared it says nothing of protein being cells. Unless u want to call pirons cell but they are not though they are proteins that cause diseases. As a biochemist I would like to give u a good lecture on proteins but I doubt u would understand, for a guy who believes d cloud is held by a pillar. Anyways u know nothing of natural science u are just an engineer. And a disgrace to d engineering community.

Clown. Internet Biochemist. your type excel only in cram and pour.

From my little knowledge of Biology i know that The minimal cell contains more than
60,000 proteins of 100 different configuration

Your emphais should be on how sceintists are unable to understand the complexity of this Cells .that are more complex than a Boeing 727 Jet.

Immorttal:
i was once like you,ignorant,naive,delusional beign.It take self realisation to understand you,ve been brainwashed. Ride on your man-made naivety.

I laugh at your confidence in Ignorance.
You are the one who is brainwashed. the devil is happy knowing that U doubt God's existence

Try and do a little research on the history and occultic orign of atheism.

www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/atheist-hub/atheism-occult-satanism-chaos-magick

Ubenedictus:
blueagent, please stop the commentary and give me a one line answer, what is the ministry of death carved in stone?

cc btok, syncan.

Continue fooling yourself and end in Hellfire.
Since you know you have no arguement you just keeping overlooking the facts.

Bible translation have Shown that it was not what was written on the stone that was done away with. but the glory on the face of Moses. I was not the one who translated those Bible verses. You can google them or get any bible which is not KJV . for you to understand the verse properly. what is their U don't understand?

Going to Heaven is not about religeon but what the Word of God Says. its not about what the whole world believes.

The entire Christedom have been corrupted with Bible verses misinterpreted.

I urge you to do research on your Church their believes and how it contradicts Bible verses.

ValentineMary:
Did u actually read that link u shared I doubt. Protein can be classified based on their 3D conformation either in a sub family. Proteins are either primary, secondary, tetiary, or quatenary structure. O boy! read that link u shared it says nothing of protein being cells. Unless u want to call pirons cell but they are not though they are proteins that cause diseases. As a biochemist I would like to give u a good lecture on proteins but I doubt u would understand, for a guy who believes d cloud is held by a pillar. Anyways u know nothing of natural science u are just an engineer. And a disgrace to d engineering community.

Clown ,I know you are a biochemist only on Nairaland.
cram and pour Biochimp.

finofaya:
Are you responding to me? I don't think you are. I haven't said anything along the lines of what you've written.

I said I can explain why I claim that killing is wrong. I didn't say that everybody must believe that killing is wrong. In any event, most people who kill know that killing is wrong, or else they would kill themselves and their loved ones too. However all of that is irrelevant to our discussion at this stage.

I haven't said anything about what is or isn't natural. I only asked you whether naturalness has a moral value.

Once again, explain why you claim that it is wrong to be transgender or to do an abortion or etc. And then explain why anything which your God commands must be morally right.

Nature is God's evidence of Orderliness.there is nothing right about transgender.

You will agree with me that their are natural laws that govern this Universe. like laws of gravity,Motion, Cause and effect, Rising and setting of the Sun. same way we have natural laws insistuted for our well being .same way we have moral laws that guide human conduct. the question is who established those natural laws that benefit you and me? its obvious it is God.

Research have proven , that those who transgender . that's those who undergo the Surgery still end up unhappy , and end up committing Sucide.
According to American Association of psychiatrist doctors. homosexuality and transgender are mental disorders and should be treated as one.they are habits one consciously or unconsciously forms

Let me ask you. what is the boundary or limit for you to regard something as immoral?

http://newobserveronline.com/transgender-is-a-mental-illness-and-should-be-treated-as-such-former-johns-hopkins-chief-psychiatrist/

My personal predictions for the remaining part of the year 2016.

1.Election of the first female president of US(Hiliary Clinton).

2.Out break of Riots and racial tension in the US and in different parts of the World.

3. Controversy over US presidential Election Results.

4. Outbreak of new dieseases and breakthrough in the search for cure of Aids,Cancer and Ebola.

5.mass killings by different groups globally.

6. World Economic crises and stock market plunge.

7. lots of plane crash.

PastorAIO:
matt 5:22

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

That's your interpretation. the Hebrew word used there means to be violently angry not just mere anger.

Virginsince1997:
Most inventions were created mistakenly
Some mentions
http://www.storypick.com/inventions-made-by-mistake/

All this are Minor inventions.
Do you know that Scientist globally agree that the world has a beginning. and that it is mathamatically impossible for the world to be created by chance? its probability is like 0.00000000000000000025% still to the infinity. i mean people who you rate so high, acknowledge that it is impossible. so who are you and what is your area of expertise? to disprove them, show us your calculations and facts. so we can verify.

Psylas:
Dumb-ass the so called stupid non entity you called God want you to help spreads His senseless words, he created this mighty Universe out of nothing but he needs 1/10 of your hard earned to survive, I'm better than that your fucking God so get that and Bleep off

I laugh at U. very soon you regret this comment.

Ubenedictus:
BLUEAGENT, my question still remains, what is the ministry of death carved in stone?

i an calling everybody as a witness that u have refused to answer both urself and dralien. i didnt ask u 4 commentary, i ask 1 question, pls answer it.

cc syncan Btok

I posted other translations of that Bible verse to show you that . you miss understand the verse using King James Version. wat else do you want me to explain. Here is the verse. and their translation.

This is the full explanation of your Bible verse.
The ministration of death [the Ten
Commandments points out sin; Romans 7:7, and
sin points to death; Romans 6:23] on stone was.Glorious and was NOT to be done away. It was the glory on the face of Moses that was done away.



The King James Version is a little unclear in its
translation on this point. Observe just a few of
many translations below which are clearer.

AMP) “Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law],was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away.”


(ASV) “But if the ministration of death, written,
and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly
upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away.”


(NASB) “But if the ministry of death, in letters
engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.”

(NIV) “Now if the ministry that brought death,
which was engraved in letters on stone, came
with glory, so that the Israelites could not look
steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was.”



(RSV) “Now if the dispensation of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such splendor that the Israelites could not look at Moses' face because of its brightness, fading as this was.”




Moses was the minister of the Old Covenant.
He gave the people God's instructions on how to keep the Ten Commandments law [detailed
requirements on what to do] and what to do when it was broken [Priests and Sacrifices]. This glorious system of ministration was done away with, not the Ten Commandments. Christ
ministers the New Covenant.

finofaya:
Perhaps you're laughing because you're simple?

It's insane and unnatural to be gay or transgender, that's your case. My questions still stand.

Let me give you an example. If I have to explain why killing is bad, I can say that it is bad because every person has a right to life and killing them violates that right. I can go further to explain why everybody has a right to life. I can even say that killing is bad because the God I worship says it is bad. These are what explanations look like.

If I say killing morally wrong because it is insane or it is unnatural, that does not help anyone understand my position. Is insanity morally wrong or right? Does naturalness have any moral value?

Try to answer my questions directly so we can proceed. Thanks.

What makes you think ,that people generally see killing as immoral? the Nazi saw it as something moral .something to be done.
Tell me wat is natural about Transgender and gay. if they were natural why do they have to undergo surgery inorder to transform themselves.do animals even pratice Sodomy?
why do gays decide to adopt kids since they cannot Concieve its that natural?

If we are to allow and accept gays as been natural, we should also accept. pedophile and
Nymphons. since they are all natural desires

Is like saying ,that one has right to drink ,as well as to drive.if the society accepts that. it means that my life and yours will be in danger becos of a drunk driver.

Total freedom is bondage.

podosci:
Before now, Man was powerless over simple illnes like cholera or malaria... A cholera outbreak could wipe out a whole community and man had to rely on ill-fated prayers to invicible Gods to avert the canage but fastforward to 2016, even a child knows how to cure his malaria illnes, only poverty and extreme circumstance can cause you to die from malaria.
Solar eclipse was atributed to a God like event but fastward to 2016 and even a child knows what causes an Eclipses.
A girls head was severed in the Uk, The doctors spent above 24hrs trying to reattach the head and succeded, A man in SA lost his penis when he was young, doctors in SA succesfully transplanted the penis of dead donor and attached it to his own. He just fathered a child with the penis.
Man created spacecraft that traveled into space, man sent robots to mars, man landed on the moon...Remember in the bible when some dullards built a tower with brick to reach the heavens and God striked it down ... Where was the same God when armstrong surpaced the earth and landed on moon?
Mans ability is limited by his immagination, The more we know, the less we atrributed to man made Gods
Dont forget, God forgot to abolish slavery of our forefathers in the bible but it took the effort of man to free ourselfs.

Armstrong was a Deist he believed their was a God.
You cannot blame God for Slavery. Man accepted the devil's offer to rebel against God.
Man sort his own freedom . to exploit his own ablities.and his ability is evidence in all the problems we see in this world today.

Mind you their is still slavary today, racism, poverty, Genocide, inequality, Pollution.
Man has increased the world's problem why solving another. invented car to easy transportation. lead to increase in pollution. Man has invented most of the diesease and weapons you see.

So why do you atheist only believe their is God when you want to blame him for something.?