₦airaland Forum

podosci:
Before now, Man was powerless over simple illnes like cholera or malaria... A cholera outbreak could wipe out a whole community and man had to rely on ill-fated prayers to invicible Gods to avert the canage but fastforward to 2016, even a child knows how to cure his malaria illnes, only poverty and extreme circumstance can cause you to die from malaria.
Solar eclipse was atributed to a God like event but fastward to 2016 and even a child knows what causes an Eclipses.
A girls head was severed in the Uk, The doctors spent above 24hrs trying to reattach the head and succeded, A man in SA lost his penis when he was young, doctors in SA succesfully transplanted the penis of dead donor and attached it to his own. He just fathered a child with the penis.
Man created spacecraft that traveled into space, man sent robots to mars, man landed on the moon...Remember in the bible when some dullards built a tower with brick to reach the heavens and God striked it down ... Where was the same God when armstrong surpaced the earth and landed on moon?
Mans ability is limited by his immagination, The more we know, the less we atrributed to man made Gods
Dont forget, God forgot to abolish slavery of our forefathers in the bible but it took the effort of man to free ourselfs.

You just keep contradicting yourself.
All the things man acheived was based on something he could not produce or make or control.
Eg the motion of the space rocket was dependent on the force of gravity to guide and control its motion.who established such a force?
Man has produced rockets,jets,engines all from different natural metals ores, that man has never been able to form .
A typical Rocket uses Fuel and Oxygen. both were not made by Man.
Did man produce the first Chicken or egg that lead to other Chickens?
How did man control that. did man design the composition of water(H2O) or the composition of the Air.both of which are essential to Man.


Whatever man has acheived is becos of the knowledge God gave Man . if not why have Apes,Monkeys,goats and other animals not gone to space, build cars,jets?
Why do you think man could stand upright .grab objects firmly. think rationaly,imagine things and produce? and yet animals cannot.
answer is it is God.
Did man design himself? does he have control over that. why can't man produce something out of nothing. is it possible?

All those events and problems were allowed by God.so man can see the Limit of his ability .
Now ask yourself years back . there were countless wars ,No defined nation states or Boundaries,no human rights, people were punished for the offence of their parents. like the children of those that wanted to kill Daniel in the Bible.
Wat if God allowed man to have the Knowledge of Atomic bomb and mordern warfare. Man could have destroyed himself into Obivilon. but God intervened and allowed it (increase in Knowledge) to occur during a time of relative political and National Stability.
No wonder the Bible predicted it years ago. that at the end there, will be increase in knowledge.

Daniel 12:4
King James Bible
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased

sylvalord:
Typical christian! They go about spewing hateful comments and showcasing their stupidity. I have just one question for you; Why are you so bitter?

Am not bitter.why will i be? I just hate to see stupid dumb people who claim to be smart.

Oluwaseytiano:
fine, God created heaven and earth. BT who created God?

We both agree that for every begining there most be a beginning that itself has no beginning.
God is the beginning that had no beginning.
it makes more logical sense than telling me Bigbang and Evolution and other crap .made the Universe.

finofaya:
No. You're claiming that every one of God's moral views is correct. Why is that? And why do you think it is wrong to be transgendered or to be gay or to abort a fetus and all of that? If you can't give the basis for your position why should I engage you?

I laugh at you. I guess you appreciate orderliness. transgender is insanity,same with gayism. their is nothing natural about them.
most gays and Lesbians need pyscological help not transforming themseleves.

Virginsince1997:
Our existence here is by chance, like the probability of picking a particular grain of sand on the beach, if we weren't here, life would still bloom and continue

This is the most insane comment i have ever seen
How many things in your life do you leave to chance?

And how many things Man has produced or invented was by Chance?

PastorAIO:
I don't think you went through it. I'm pressed for time so I expect you to look up the passages for yourself and see how they contradict the commandment next to them.

God said don't make graven image and then he order moses to make a graven image.

God said don't commit adultery and then commanded Hosea to do so.

I laugh . wat is adultery in Hosea marrying a prositute?

The term adultery refers to sexual acts between a married person and someone who is not that person's spouse.

God told Moses to make an image to represent his presence. of cos those things happened in the old covanent presently we do not need any image to remind us of God.

The Hebrew word translated
“graven image” means literally “an idol.” A graven image is an image carved out of stone, wood, or metal. It could be a statue of a person or animal,or a relief carving in a wall or pole. of cos God is not an Idol.

Eg if i ask my children to watch only one TV channel. contrary to watching all TV channel. did i contradict myself.

PastorAIO:
So there are wrongs that are not sins.

Yes. like to get angry is not a sin. but allowing anger to control one is.

PastorAIO:
So there are wrongs that are not sins.

Yes. like get angry is not a sin. but allowing anger to control one is.

Psylas:
LOL, my little creature, I'm not in Africa, here I'm every flat owns TM, so I'm using WiFi, 24 electricity for the past 25 yrs they have not taking light for 1 seconds so nothing can stop me from browsing, not even God, here is the TM

Clown . so a god like u.depend on whatever network u claim to browse .inorder to quote me. u are pathetic.

Ooni:
my brother, so after Ibos disgraced us with real pictures of Ibadan in the other thread you rushed create this. Of course we will be disgraced here again because Enugu and PH are good places. The truth is that we are not doing well here in the west. I told u guys ibadan is terrible and not presentable. If we dont do something about it, only witch doctors and Night flyers will inhabit our regional capital in next ten years.

Lol.....night flyers abi airlines.

mejai:
chai! dis life can be unfair. port-harcourt should be challenging Dubai and other oil cities. here we are comparing it with Enugu.
a beg, Enugu....ebe ona okputu!

Dubai na dere mate? you cannot even compare them to Durban or Johannesburg you dey call Dubai.

Noneroone:
in terms of economy port harcourt is more advanced no doubt, but development transcends that.
Nigeria is a bigger economy than south Africa but is Nigeria more developed? Is china more developed than US yet its economy has overtaken that of US

Enugu has a better and cheaper transport system, road network, security etc Than PH

also things are quite cheaper there as against PH which is too expensive.

The problem PH had was the state creation. It was planned to be a port city to serve the eastern region. It was never planned to be an administrative capital like Enugu, calabar and owerri. It should be a big commercial center like Onitsha and Aba.
But it was made River state capital. How can one place serve as an oil city, industrial center and a state capital. It surely wont be as organised a Enugu

No.

US GDP is still far greater than that of China .

United States
17,947,000 billion dollars.

China
10,982,829billion dollars.

Rossikk:
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing 'planned' about Lagos. The whites only 'planned' Ikoyi for themselves and left the rest of Lagos to rot. Similar occurred in PH and every other city.

Lie.

PastorAIO:
He knew his choice was wrong, so therefore he was aware of Good and evil already. Plus he was making a choice so you were wrong when you said:

Not wrong in the sense of knowing what sin is. like having the knowledge, of lust , murder, greed,decit,envy.
If Eve and Adam knew the conquences of their Choice . they would not have made that choice. that's why the Bible said they were Decieved.

Adam and eve knew they did wrong by disobeying God. and that's while they hid themselves after the ate the forbidden fruit.
To show you that they did not know knoweldge of good and bad.before they ate the fruit they were naked but were not ashamed of each other. but after they ate the fruit. their eyes were open(lustful eyes) they became ashmed of each other.

Eg 8yrs old baby has no knowledge of lust ,greed,murder,envy. but does it stop them from making Small choices. at that age. if they been exposed or someone influencing them to make that choice for them could lead to life of struggle in Future.

PastorAIO:
A. I don't accept your claim that the ten commandments are God's moral laws.

But, B. I'll proceed as though I accept just for the sake of the argument.

The ten commandments

1)

2) Numbers 21:8-9

3)

4) Acts 20:7

5)Luke 14:26

6)1Sam 15:3

7)Hosea 3:1

Proverbs 6:30

9)

10) This one na joke in light of the entire story of the entry into canaan.

How does this disprove God's moral laws.
One of the biggest lie in christanity is the lie that the death of Jesus did away with the ten commandments.
You can go through my profile to see my posts on the same arguement. i don't have much time to do that now.

www.the-ten-commandments.org/were-the-ten-commandments-abolished.html

www. the-ten-commandments.org/galatians_ceremoniallaw.html


www. http://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/law-and-grace/jesus-vs-paul/

PastorAIO:
Instruction is instruction. Freewill is Freewill. Please don't confuse me, you know I don't have the superior holy spirit intellect that you guys have. My question was very simple:

When the man was disobeying, did he know it was wrong or not? Yes or no. Was he making a choice or not? Yes or no.

Everything else na irrelevant sermon.

He knew he was making a wrong Choice. definetaly he was making a Choice. U are trying to confuse yourself.
Freewill does not prevent the act of been instructed or been advised.

podosci:
Who made jupiter, who made the milky way galaxy, who made, who made the billions of galaxies that exist in the universe.
There are lots of questions with few answer but man made Earthy religions are incapable of providing answers. Remeber The catholic church jailed Galileo blasphemy for stating the sun is the center of the solar system.
The more we know, the less powers we attribute to our earthly Gods and hopefully we would put our destinty in our own hands and not some earthly Gods

They (Jupiter,Sun,moon,E.t.c)were all made by God. i laugh at your remark about our destiny in your own hands.
What has man ever made in this world. did man place gravity. did man create oil and gas. did man make limestone for making cement. or ironore for steel. or create the process of sowing crops and growing them.did man create the sun. did man create bauxite to produce Aluminum from it. did man arrange the composition or present ratio of the air that allows for human existence without rapid oxidation occuring. did man create womb or sperms . did man create water, did man create Copper,Uranium,Zinc, did man create all the things in this world that have uses .which show that they were deliberately placed here for our use. show me what man have done aside using what he has been given . which its origin he cannot explian.

Can man have his destiny in his hands when he does not have power over death. he can only prolong life through good medicine but can never avert it.

What is the probability of A dog with hammer tied to its tail and with all the material required to make a house placed on the ground. wat is the probability of that dog designing and building a 3bedroom flat even if given 10million years?

ValentineMary:
This is laughable. For ur info, protein is not a cell. O boy! go wash plate ur mama dey call u. Leave science for adults.

I laugh ......see the person trying to disprove God. does not know basic science. next time address me as Engineer. i know and pratice science everyday clown.

www. protein-cell.org/

PastorAIO:
So the man is to be absolved for his disobedience because at that time he couldn't have know that disobedience was a sin.

How did he face the choice whether to eat the fruit or not when before he ate the fruit 'he could not have found himself in a position to struggle between two choices.'?

God gave him instruction not to eat the forbidden fruit. that is freewill. Man had over a thousand other trees to eat from. except one.

The event in the gardern of Eden was not just about man's loyalty to God. but about God's right to rule the Universe as the creator. which was been questioned and contested by the devil. millions of years even before God made man . the event at the gardern of Eden was watched by all the created beings .(Angels and demons) also by God and the devil. it was a major defining moment in the history of the Universe.

Let me ask you .if you are told by an electrician not to touch only one live electric wire out of thousands other wires, for your own sake. would you not Obliege?

tboibamz:
Because that when they knew GOD,they glorified HIMnot as GOD,neither were thankful;BUT BECAME VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS,AND THEIR FOOLISH HEART WAS DARKENED,

PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE,THEY BECAME FOOLS

ROMANS 1:21,22

please don't quote me again

Nice point. am yet to see anything happening now that was not anticipated by the Bible .with a bible verse speaking of it. today here is the fullifillment . monkeys claiming their is no God. 98% of those NASA staffs believe their is God. they have seen too much orderliness and complexity. and been science proffessionals they know only an intelligent being can create the Universe. but they will come out in public due to influence from Elites to say trash about science and how it made the universe.just to decieve Clowns like those on Nairaland that their is no God.
The same Elites have sanctioned the teaching of evolution in schools instead of the creation in US schools. and guess what instead of good results . the US is falling behind in Science scores and results. among the developed countries.

ValentineMary:
And I believe ur father paid ur school fees to learn. U just go waste ur papa money for school.

And wat have U learnt? with all the Sciences why have they not discocered the power over death. or the cure to cancer,Aids,ageing,
why have Science not discovered the pillars holding the Clouds, or understand the complexity of protein cells, why have science not stopped earthquake and Famines. i thought science is allknowning.

PastorAIO:
No, I don't even know what you mean when you say that man's knowledge of good and bad is the problem we have in this world today. I presume that you are referring to the story in the bible. In that case I'm sure that I have a different understanding of the story from what you have.

Is it really the knowledge of good and evil that is the problem? Or is the the expulsion from the garden? Or maybe just the act of disobedience?

Man's disobedience lead to the Knowledge.which is the problem. without Man's disobedience. man could not have known wat Lust,greed,or Murder is.he could not have found himself in a position to struggle between two choices. good and bad.which in most cases the bad one wins.

PastorAIO:
Bring the moral values that you claim are God's.

You know the ten Commandments.

podosci:
Which point? That white men are lying about mars or that day and night is a creation but rather an effect of the earths rotation.

That the world was not created.even if day and night are a result of the earth rotating on its axis around the Sun.
The question would be who made the earth and the Sun, and placed them in orbit? is it by chance?

PastorAIO:
Where did you hear that? I put to you that you are wrong!!

Disprove it.

tobimillar:
Johnydon22, thanks for these, may the Almighty God reward you. This is coming at a time when my faith and believe in the Bible and my creator is wavering. But now, reading thru all this I am convinced beyond measures that indeed, there MUST have been a creator. If the source of the Universe are nebulars and the source of nebulars are hydrogen.... who created the first hydrogen source? The universe and it's habitants on earth and other planets in the great universe (possibly) is too complex to have just happened by itself..

Lol...... Nice point bro. their foolish article to discredit God. ends up uplifting people's faith and establishing the fact that only an intelligent being could have made the universe not chance or Evolution.

Crixina:
but one can't also discredit science like that guy tried to do.

Science have helped to prove that their is God.

Crixina:
Sometimes I just want to doubt the existence of God, but all these is a just a reminder that he does exist and he is supreme.

I mean how can Man explain this, let me paraphrase a quote from Lucien(TO)

" There are huge, great and inexplicable things in this world and in the face of them, man is nothing".

Nice point. girl

Psylas:
can you prove it or you just read it from your bible
I don't know why it's hard for you to believe the Universe created itself
but you be someone came from nowhere and started creating things,

Have you been to NASA? in your life have you ever seen a Live Telescope? but you believe by faith what Nasa told you.

Psylas:
I'm the GOD

Idiot .I am the god. am sure you are using MTN 10MB free weekly offer to post this trash and yet you are claiming your head. clown.

kindworld:
The question is did all this come by chance? sure an intelligent being must have put them in place. There must be a ctreator, for there to be a cause there must be an effect!

This idiots believe that the entire universe came into existence by chance. but they themselves will never leave their lives to chance to create same orderliness.
They still plan.co- ordinate and excute plans for the betterment of their pathetic lives. while claiming that this Universe that is several times more complex came by chance. is that not Insanity?

tboibamz:
Truly interesting. Kudos to you op.

All these facts that science has proved is summed up in these Words:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth(Genesis 1:1)

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them (Genesis 2:1)

...He also made the stars (Genesis 1:16)

To GOD be the Glory folks. HE'S indeed a Faithful Creator.

Nice one. even before Nasa existed over 6000yrs ago the Bible has mentioned about the stars. the Bible also recorded abouts Seas and how they are connected. years before Man discovered them.