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Segedinho:
I never high baba....but this thing here dey fear me
Seems to me it has already be done...I saw it on Sahara but skipped...seeing it here belike something..

Na this same thing pulse ng report. Just like pulse ng report , this particular news still says they have not approved it, just the guy behind the commission urging states and FG to sign-on on it.

If that will be done, we don’t know yet .

livelongprospa:
Having the same curriculum doesn't mean you have the same content.
The difference is what covenant builds upon and offers in their courses compared to government universities.
The curriculum is the foundation, each uni is meant to build on that hence where the difference lies.

This is outside better libraries, better learning conditions which include less tired lecturers who are subjected to checks and balances alot more than government uni lecturers.
No strikes to derail you.
Better security which leads to safer learning environment.


Wooh I've tried and it's okay to have your view point.

So how do u explain graduates of OAU, LASU, UNILAG, UNIZIK , etc coming out tops at the bar exams while Afe Babalola University , Igbinedion university , Baze University law graduates with a well built upon curriculum are far behind ?

U must show workings o; u no fit run away with “ I’ve tried and it’s okay to have ur view point “ ? 🤣

Segedinho:
https://dailytrust.com/fg-approves-114-salary-increase-for-tinubu-shettima-govs-others/

Baba try dey read these things when u never drink black bullet, no let all these sensational headlines dey play with u.

The body of the article clearly repeated what pulse ng reported earlier . RMFAC boss still dey “urge “ states to implement the recommendation he made which buhari did not approve since January 1st 2023

livelongprospa:
Lool
This is a basic human flaw.
Are there not people in government universities like this? 😁

U are missing the point . My post clearly says exposure is relative . Like I mean u can go to a private school and be exposed , yet u can go to the same private school and not be exposed .

See as I dey break things down for u like enzymes dey break down fatty acids 😁

livelongprospa:
Do you believe the IT offered in covenant is the same with what is offered in uniben?

Yes I do.

I believe the IT being offered in Covenant and UNIVEN are the same because they use the same curriculum as approved by NUC .

I also believe the Covenant student has access to well equipped Library where he can carry out personal research after class. The UNIBEN student can also carry out his own personal research albeit under a different condition entirely.

In the long run I believe if both students pass their exams and graduate in good grades they can offer the same knowledge to their would-be employers .

I believe I’ve answered ur question.

livelongprospa:
In what way was she more exposed than the guy?
Knowledge base or you talking about life (sense)

He doesn’t process information like most graduates would; basic processes need to be explained to him over and over again . Sometimes he will make u wonder if he indeed attended a university where he was expected to be independent and learn to apply well thought-out solution to problems .

It’s difficult to explain , but he left much to be desired about him as a graduate

livelongprospa:
I have a question for you.
There's a course called energy and Petroleum studies offered by a private university in Delta state. But it's not in any other university.

It is NUC approved.


Universities are allowed to build on the existing structure. You just need to apply and have the NUC approve after carrying out their investigations.
That is what differentiates the private universities from the government universities in that situation.

The question is; is the accountancy being offered at OAU different from Accountancy being offered at Babcock ?

Do u believe the curriculum approved by NUC for OAU is different from that of Babcock ?

Please answer on a postcard

larride:
No dey whine yourself oo.


Our exams from 300l was Ican standard, nobody will even beg you to attend class or read. We also have a well packed library with books on whatever you subject you want to read on. Our lecturers are also very knowledgeable.

In my set, we had 15 first class graduates. They all aced their ICAN exam in one sitting. 3 of them entered KPMG immediately after service, 1 entered Deloitte, 2 went into academics n so on. Our best graduating student Dapo currently works at KPMG US.

The edge private uni have over public schools is better infrastructure, equipment and exposure.

Even the exposure sef is relative .

During NYSC where I served , the less exposed guy in our midst was a graduate of Novena University , a private in Delta state . A lady who studied Yoruba education for TASUED in our midst was more exposed and knowledgeable than him.

livelongprospa:
Nawa ooo.
You've been making claims and nobody has asked you for data because the data nor dey for naija.
But you wan take advantage of am to further your own point.

Oya I am asking you to also prove your point with reasonable data.
Or do you not have data to prove your point?

Na u use ur hand type in most cases the private uni student will be ahead just from what they learnt in uni.

I simply asked u to give any data that supports that . Maybe u read any HR research report/journal article that supports this assertion .

I didn’t sit in the comfort of my parlor and claim public university graduates are will be ahead of their private universities despite knowing how OAU and UI students perform really well amongst their African peers in the zain university challenge back then, I didn’t claim public university accounting and law graduates are better despite knowing about their performance in ICAN and Nigerian Law school bar exams respectively .

So u see , na u dey chat megedefege here my dear brother .

livelongprospa:
You have not answered the question.
A private uni student in IT and a government uni student in IT,
Who do you think is better equipped on the strength of what they were taught in university?

They both learnt based on the same curriculum as approved by NUC . Excerpt u are saying Lecturers in private universities go out of the approved curriculum and teach something extra .

Is that what u are alluding ?

livelongprospa:
You actually have always believed that there's no difference between both in terms of knowledge.
I believe there is. Asking me to prove that with data is fine for you but me asking you to support your argument with data is an issue?
Your personal thoughts and experiences have been what you've used to make your case.

Abi na lie?

🤣🤣🤣

Funny guy . U made a bold claim and u were asked to show workings u no fit .

End of discussion .

livelongprospa:
Oga I was specific when I said beginner role.
What you are saying is the IT student in government school will have to undergo alot more personal training to bridge the gap in knowledge as against the government student.

Again.
On the strength of what both students learnt from their curriculum in universities, which do you think is better equipped to get employed?
That was the question coz we are focusing on what both learnt in their respective institutions.

Do U think the curriculum of private universities is different from public universities ?

U know it’s the same NUC that approves the curriculum of all universities in Nigeria right ?

livelongprospa:
Nigeria doesn't do data abi na lie?
It's the same way you can't give me reasonable data to support your argument.

My argument ? I was faulting ur false claim . U made a claim with no leg to stand on.

More like ur personal thoughts U are presenting as facts

livelongprospa:
What data do you have to show both graduates are the same?

Coz you need to take into consideration the numbers of graduates coming out from government universities against those coming out from private.

Meaning you'll have higher count of dullards from government unis that private.
Same way you'll have a higher number of intelligent students from government unis vs private.

Now the question is what is available to both?
If today you want to hire for a beginner role in IT, which do you think will have a broader and more updated knowledge from the amenities and curriculum they are taught with?
Private or government student?

I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “

raumdeuter:
Take even Law school bar exams, Are the top tier private Universities performing better than top tier Public Universities.
E.g UNILAG, UNN, UI, OAU ABU vs Covenant, Babcock, Redeemers Madonna Igbinedion

Are they performing better? And are they performing better at the ratio of the school fees? E.g If fees paid is 10:1, Will there be a ratio 10:1 of successful candidates private to public Uni?

Exactly ! When u check performance review of students in ICAN u see the public university students taking the front row; same with Law school . These easily verifiable data disagrees with the notion that knowledge acquired in private university Supersedes that received in public Uni .

I know quite a handful of professors that were poached by their friends who are now VC’s in private universities to come and start oarticular departments and faculties in private unis.

One major thing that has always helped private university students is the conducive learning environment and state of the art infrastructure .

livelongprospa:
Please no offence to government graduates but private university students are mostly better finished products on average.
That you have outliers doesn't change that reality.

Thing is recruitment companies also take that into account when shortlisting but when it comes to base knowledge in most cases the private uni student will be ahead just from what they learnt in uni.

My friend, u will need to back this assertion up with verifiable data.

akwesenana:
So, can we now say your efficiency in this organisation is due to you going the extra mile and not because your quality of education was on par with or close to that of a private uni graduate?

No!

The private university graduate and myself wouldn’t get into the organization if we didn’t pass aptitude tests , pass all stages of interview and pass our medicals.

What I’m saying is the knowledge I acquired was the same the person acquired in private university . Most of the lecturers in private university were poached from public universities . There’s nothing special about the knowledge they impart in private universities .

So far ur head carry book, whether na private or public university u go ; the knowledge u acquired in either of the institutions can get u placement in any decent organization . How do u think Nigerians who attended OOU, UNIBEN, Ekpoma , ABU, BUK, UNILAG , UI , etc relocate abroad and get jobs with their Nigerian degree in places like Canada if the subsidized education in public universities is substandard ?

Wetin be this ?🤣

akwesenana:
My deepest apologies if this sounds offensive, but can you say that all your course mates who graduated with the same grades are capable of working in this organization efficiently?

Not all of them can; just like not all private university graduates can work efficiently in an organization as well.

raumdeuter:
The Aba made gucci is it close in quality of output to Real Milan made Gucci?

A private Uni without subsidy pays like 10times more than Govt uni. If total amount to grad in a Public Uni is 500K, a Private uni grad might be spending 5m for same course

The product after graduation which is the candidate, do you think Private Uni grads are 10 times better than public uni grad?

This is the point most of them arguing there’s no subsidy on tertiary education are missing .

I graduated from a public university and work in the same organization with graduates of private university . The knowledge I acquired from a public university at next to nothing cost qualifies me to do the same thing a person who acquired same knowledge from an expensive private school .

Anybody still arguing further just wan dey help seun increase the number of earnings he makes per click on nairaland .

Segedinho:
Nobody is requesting u outputs baba....i asked a simple question wch ws "what will you do if implemented" you said "nothing"...n I personally will do nothing......

That has been d formulae

No wam !

Segedinho:
assuming they implement it...what will you...I and every other common man do..


Abi no be here we dey wen dem dey share bonuses amounting to billions

Baba these things should not be subject to assumptions . I cannot wake up in the morning and I say I want to start protesting against what I assumed in my mind; people will think I’m crazy .

The RMFAC has recommended an increment that should’ve taken effect Jan 1 2023 but Buhari The Godfather of “I don’t care sytem of government “ couldn’t improvement it cos he knows the economic realities . He knows the uproar that will come from it can consume his government .

So now the head of RMFAC mentions it once again and there’s not been any statement from the president or his team suggesting they will implement it , why will I start protesting against an imagination that they will implement it ? At least let’s wait till there’s an indication the government want takes to take that fooolish path before we start hyperventilating

mostob:
Arsenal willing to listen to offers for Eddie Nketiah.


3 Saudi Arabia clubs interested in Partey. Omo...make we collect like 70m from them. Money dey that side.

If we can get as much as 70m guaranteed for Partey , I will support we sell o. Tho I like him as a player and would love us to keep him, but if the money is right we should sell o before football age catch up with him.

Emaprince:
They can NEVER step it down. These people really don't care bro.

And some people who are suffering as well...will attack anybody that criticises them.

APC supporters are really cursed.

Baba, I’m not a fan of Tinubu or his political ideologies , but I don’t think he will proceed with approving the 114% increment at this time .

How many state governments will adopt the new pay structure being proposed and they will be bold enough to face the people and ask them for sacrifice. Lagos state for example has money but how will Lagos state government increase the pay of people like Mudashiru Obasa by 114% and expect the residents of the state to bear with them when they say they don’t have funds to fix roads in the state ? How will they increase the pay of Desmond Elliot and come out with bold face to tell us it’s paucity of funds that has made work slow on Lagos-Badagry expressway ?

I don’t think any reasonable government will implement whatever nonsense RMAFC is proposing at this time !

When we talk about Nigerian government not having adequate funds to execute projects/run government , why is nobody looking at AMCON ? Maybe because most of the people owing banks which AMCON bought over are big men , political elites and untouchables .

I mean as at 2022 Nigeria has about 3.6 trillion trapped in AMCON .How did that happen ?

Top Nigerian banks were plagued with bad debts which came from loans they gave without due diligence , some due to high interest rates , etc . The debts were so much that the banks would’ve gone under without government’s intervention. The FG set up AMCON to buy those debts off the commercial banks so they can continue operations. Over the past 13 years AMCON has only been successful in recovering 1.4 trillion out of total of 5 trillion. The debtors have used technicalities to stall court cases , some of them have even abandoned their business venture and set up more successful ones without paying their old bad debts

So we have 3.6 trillion in the hands of less than 400 individuals and businesses . Imagine if 3.6 trillion is injected into the economy instead of these monies being stashed in tax havens, running other proxy businesses etc ?

My question is why is there a conspiracy of silence on this ?

Segedinho:
Abeg...anybody fit verify this

Based on what I read on it , the Revenue Mobilisation, Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) claimed salaries of public officials , judicial officers and elected officials have not been reviewed since 2007 and that it was due for upward review this year . Somehow they are proposing a 114% pay rise .

I guess this particular matter will determine if Tinubu is any different from other presidents in the past. If they are telling us they need to remove petrol subsidy , let go education subsidy and make other tough sacrifices because Nigeria don’t have the money to continue with them, it will be totally wicked and selfish to go ahead with the new pay rise they are proposing for now . It will only mean they want the rich to keep getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Someone like Senator Abiru of Lagos East senatorial district was the MD of a commercial bank where he resigned and contested for vacant senate seat. People like that are already made . It will be sheer wickedness for people of his caliber to get 114% pay rise while the common man in the streets( some of whom campaigned and voted for him) sink deeper down the poverty line .

I want to believe they will step it down, if not for anything but for the bad PR it will give their government

a4turitoroman:
Wahala for students uniben . School fees increased

Funny enough, this is not yet the increment being proposed by the FG. There’s no tuition fee in the breakdown of the fees which means what FG is proposing has not been implemented yet, na UNIBEN still dey do this increment

DontBullshitMe:
While I commend Tinubu for atleast taking those harsh decisions in the reversal of these fruitless schemes, the truth is these schemes shouldn't have started at all and the damage they have done to the country at this point looks irreversible from my pov.

Look at the (free) tertiary education subsidy nonsense (which that ignorant Awolowo started) for instance : That useless scheme was eating up the huge chunk of the education budget of the country. Public primary and secondary schools were neglected while the country subsidises tertiary education for entitled students studying stupid courses like Mass Comm, Botany, Theatre Arts, History, Philosophy etc. Those who study Professional courses like Medicine, Engineering etc quickly pack their bags and flee the country (which I support anyway) so the country is basically losing its huge investment. Kids aged 2-16 who were short-changed and denied quality primary and secondary education will grow up to be semi-literate, unintuitive and uncompetitive thus turning to crimes and all sort.

I don't even know what to say about Petrol subsidy than to shake my head for the billions of naira spent on subsidising a consumer product for years that didn't necessarily encourage productivity. Nigerians were gulping heavily subsidised petrol for over 35 years, literally eating the future of their unborn kids and you begin to wonder, why will the country not be in such deteriorating state? It didn't even stop at that, some custom officers were also feeding fat on illegal fuel export. Hehe.

On the Forex part, FG incentivised round-tripping with such a huge margin between official and parallel rates. People were making a killing buying from CBN and selling in the parallel market and further straining country's dollar reserve and weakening the currency further. Those people are made for life chilling in one resort in Abuja. Just sad ordinary Nigerians had no access hehe.


So, these policies by Tinubu are already too late. Even if they will reflect any direct benefit on ordinary citizens, it will take about 40 years that's if his successor does not even reverse them (to gain popularity) so waste of suffering again.

So much ignorant assumptions in a single post !

1.Without free education most professors, retired judges, foremost economists , SAN’s etc u know today would’ve never been educated . Without Awolowo’s free education most of these grandparents today would never have had access to education , neither will they have sent their children to school .

2. If u claim government neglected primary and secondary school fundings, I think u should speak for ur state/region. I’ve been to unity schools owned by federal government and I’ve seen federal government investments/intervention projects there that rival what u will get in some expensive private school. I served in a unity school in the north and that was the first time I saw an ICT center in a Nigerian school fully powered by solar energy which lasts as much as 48 days without normal source of electricity . Lagos state government has free education at the primary and secondary school level , and still yet its state owned university is one of the best (if not the best state university in Nigeria )

3. Calling Awolowo ignorant does not only make one sound ignorant himself , but ungrateful . Some of the teachers who taught u in school would never have smelt the 4 walls of any educational institution .

4. Referring to courses in the arts and scoial sciences like History , philosophy and mass comm as stupid is not a bright thing to say at all. U sef reason am , if everybody studied “professional courses “ like medicine, engineering , etc where
Will they all apply their skills ? Wont they still travel out for better opportunities when the labour market is saturated with everybody carrying the same degree ? Abi na person wey study medicine go dey read news for arise TV, na person wey study engineering go dey anchor Sports programme on radio?

5.Perhaps u don’t know Nigeria was once operating regional government ; Awolowo introduced the free education which was so successful that other regions had to start copying part of it. Look at what the free education u are running down did for the old western region and look at the old northern region where few children of the elite could go to school while the indigents were left in the dark. Look at the gulf between those two today ; tell me what u see.

6. U didn’t even scratch the surface of what Nigeria’s problem is. U left tackling corruption , uncontrolled population growth, government’s excessive spendings on frivolous things, etc only to wish all form of subsidies/incentives which the common man benefits be taken away . 🤦‍♂️

Itsrm:
You know if the tenant refuses to leave nothing will happen

Smart buyers don't buy houses with tenants. They tell the landlord to get rid of the tenants before they pay.

Dey play 🤣

If them sell house to Army colonel wey come write “ military zone keep off “, no commot o….. wait till unknown soldiers go come eject u forcefully .

U go just try for court , nothing go happen

Itsrm:
Nah, can't happen here. At least not where I live. I'm the chairman of the compound so I'll get first hand information from the landlord if he even thinks of selling it.

PH is obviously saner than Lagos in that regard . The thing actually happened to my colleague for real, their landlord sold the house and then informed them the new owner gave him 3 months so they should find their way .

Shebi na landlord wey dey follow u dialogue u go dey reason say u wan deal with.🤷🏼‍♂️

iamoyindamola:
Another angle

Wahala just too much for this country

Itsrm:
Since I'll be staying at my current apartment at least another one year and I'll buy electricity regardless, it makes sense to just buy it once and for all.

Any direction they decide to take is okay as long as they don't reduce the tariff

In Lagos this is a very risky move; Landlord for Lagos fit wake one morning tell u say he don sell house and new owner dey come takeover the building in 3 months time