₦airaland Forum

izzou:
[color=royalblue]We, down south, don't really know how bad the situation is.

Cases of insecurity are underreported in this country. If not, people would have been asking for Buhari's head[/color]

I’ve had interactions with kids whose parents were killed by Boko Haram, their villages sacked and they were only lucky to find their way to IDP camps . You could see the horrors of war through them. Kids that are just teenagers but already had to deal with losing almost all the families they know . It’s so sad politicians still play politics with their situation

Oasis007:
Fulani and Hausa are no longer see themselves as one big family again. Arewa Twitter is set on fire by that BBC Africa Documentary.

Buhari has failed this Country, you can't watch the Documentary and keep supporting Buhari again to be honest, except you're getting paid for it.

Na wetin we dey talk be that . Buhari has left us more divided as a people than he met us.

When OBJ mentioned this about 2 years ago, a lot of Buharists defended Buhari and tackled OBJ. Can u imagine if Fulani and Hausas are so divided now, imagine how other tribes now feel about each other .

Garba Shehu, said Mr Obasanjo “attempts to divide the nation while President Muhammadu Buhari continues to promote nation building and the unity of Nigeria.”

The above was the presidency’s reaction to Obasanjo. My major problem with Buhari presidency is instead of taking in criticism and acting on it , they will just come all out gun blazing to attack the messenger and the message. As much as I detest the nonsense Dapo Abiodun is doing in Ogun state ( which he actually calls governance ) , the fact that one of the schools in the state went viral for lack of furniture and he responded by providing the furniture the following week instead of trying to do damage control or dishout propaganda makes him look a person who takes criticisms and acts on them .

My eyes see shege for LASUTH last year

Man had to activate his inner Nigerian culture with connection before his patient was attended to in a “make-shift ward” which happens to be the car that brought the patient .

If u follow some of these propaganda posted online by party men and political sycophants, u will think Lagos is rivaling Dubai in all the good sides of life

wman:
The irony of increased taxation is that you can't trust the Nigerian government.

They will most likely embezzle the money, maintain the status quo and claim that there is nothing on ground.

Anybody clamoring for more taxation in the face of the current economic realities is just being obtuse . Lagos State government collects tax via multiple fronts…. Market women pay to Local government agents, transporters pay to NURTW (which the state government seem to be comfortable with prior to MC Oluomo having issues with the national body ) , Companies are pursued to remit to LIRS whatever is due to them , land use charge is being collected steady ……. Yet u can see a whole lot of projects left undone by the state and local government . You see people parroting about increase in IGR and all, yet the development on ground to show for it is minimal . Lagos state water corporation does not even provide 1/10th of the clean water people use in Lagos .

The people currently paying tax enjoying next to nothing from the tax they pay; yet u will burden them With more tax on the promise that they will enjoy the benefits when they pay more ? Is that playing ? What sort of playing is that ?

We spend the little money we have on frivolities and unnecessary vanity . Most ministries every year when they submit their budget will make budget for new Toyota Landcruiser Prado for the top guys on a yearly basis and it gets approved . Why buy new Landcruiser prado every year ?

If we don’t curb such excesses first, any further attempt to raise more money will end up in more corruption still eating the funds . At least we’ve seen how Abacha loot being distributed has been “judiciously used” thus far .

mostob:
Of course...I know what he is capable of but he has been playing nonchalantly for sometime now due to lack of competition. I remember arguing with a guy that Dembele is a better footballer than Mbappe during his time at Dortmund.

I hope u lost the argument sha ? Cos I can’t really remember at any point in his career Dembele was better than Mbappe.

Mbappe has been consistent since the season he broke out in that Monaco team of that year.

kofimoses:
Wike has a prayer for APC people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evzUWYyENMk

This is what izzou has been saying ! Continue which good work of the president exactly ?

It’s baffling people who defended Buhari since 2015 till APC presidential primaries this year are the same people pushing for “continuity “

Our squad according to assigned numbers this coming season . Personally looking forward to Jesus doing justice to the number 9 Jersey wey Lacazette add +1 to and begin play number 10 wey nobody send am.

nihilistjnr:
Omo i never go o. I will still touch down soon, but I've jettisoned the idea of coming with the family.

Wisdom

amorprincesa:
I will take the Amala and fish then look for ewedu. I can't eat Amala with Egusi, never tried it and won't.

Sometimes u just get tired of amala & ewedu …. That was what happened and honestly the egusi goes well with the amala

3 weeks after the Kuje prison break by tertorists , people of Abuja and neighboring communities now live in palpable fear as predicted . afrodoc said the escaped criminals will certainly not lodge in hotels cooling off; rather they will be happy to actively return to crime immediately .

https://www.nairaland.com/7248840/heavy-shootings-ministers-hill-dantata

nihilistjnr how far? Shey u later make that Abuja trip ?

Illimitable:
You can continue to bask in your fantasy. I deal with facts, not emotions or sentiments. We can both continue to say a pig is pretty when it’s obvious even to the blind that the pig is dirty.

The tax gap for VAT(the difference between the potential and actual VAT revenues) is 71.2% in Nigeria. It means Nigeria is only able to collect about 30% VAT taxes from her citizens.

For corporate income tax, less than 6% of registered taxpayers are active. Nigeria raises less than 1% of GDP in VAT revenue, compared to almost 4% of GDP in the other ECOWAS countries.

If Nigerians cannot outperform people from Togo, Benin and Mali in contributing VAT to the GDP then your assertion concerning politician’s salary makes no sense. The citizens are contribution next to zero in the development of the country. This is why the country is fücked.

Look at South Africa, look at Nigeria(Giant of Africa).

I will rather leave u to the fantasy of believing once government doubles down on more taxation for the taxable population all financial problems of the country will be solved and Nigeria will prosper economically , the welfare of current and future security operatives will be taken care of and we will have workable system that will be oiled by the sweat of the tax paying citizens that are “useless” according to u.

Illimitable:
You are showing me ThisDayLive as your source to debate me in an intellectual discourse. Please do not disgrace yourself further with this piece of fückery.

What Nigerian politicians spend is drops in an ocean of the revenue that the Nigerian state is capable of. It’s an excuse to be lazy.

Ahmed Lawan’s salary does not stop you from making N2m a month salary in chevron. If you don’t avoid taxes and everyone pays his dues to the GDP, the country would run efficiently.

But you hide under Shina Peller’s salary to be completely useless to the country. The reasons why you aren’t productive is because your personal income has been fused into Shina Peller’s salary.

How does that make sense?

Is the fact stated by Thisday in the report true or false ? I believe a smart person would check it out before saying stuff like “ u are showing me ThisDayLive as ur source in an intellectual discourse “ just to save face when cornered .

Your theory on more fiscal policies has fallen flat on its face right before ur eyes cos it’s obvious that is not the problem but rather what government spends on recurrent expenditures to pay salaries of unproductive public office holders .

And yes it’s appalling that u keep referring to those already paying their taxes as useless even as u call for more tax burden to be placed on their shoulders . I honestly do hope people like u do not get close to where economic decisions are being made ; at least for the sake of honest and reasonable Nigerians whose sweat and blood has been running the government of this country that’s yet to bring them joy .

Illimitable:
I don’t particularly give a flying fück about how much Nigerian politicians make. How many people make up Nigerian politicians. Are they up to 10,000 people nationwide?

I don’t think you have a grasp of what is being discussed here. How can Togo, Niger, Rwanda, etc have more tax contributions to their GDP than Nigeria(the “phantom” giant of Africa)?? Giants of uselessness!!!

Even if Nigerian politicians are making N50 billion a month, double their taxes and put the proceeds into infrastructure, job creation, good roads and sort the epileptic power supply.

There’s what we call progressive tax in the UK/USA. Put the top 1% earners in Nigeria on 50% tax. Premier League footballers in the UK are taxed that much and it’s one of the reasons their government can effectively run a country.

This idea of blaming the entire uselessness of a nation on the salaries of the politician is why the country is stuck in excreta. The average useless youth in Nigeria who wouldn’t even flourish in a developed country quickly blames a Senator’s salary as the reasons why he’s unproductive.

It’s such a pedestrian excuse.

lolz….

Here is a link to the full article

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/11/10/paying-political-office-holders-to-promote-poverty

The attached screenshot is practically saying we spend so much on paying useless bogus salaries and allowances of public office holders than we actually do on infrastructures , but here u are saying u don’t give a flying 4ck about that….. All u care about is more taxation. Lmao

Ndi Economics professor . I greet u

Illimitable:
Data reveals your countrymen’s tax contributions to their GDP is only 6% - the lowest in Africa.

You can twist it, turn it, twirl that information anyhow you like, the fact reveals your countrymen are largely irresponsible.

OECD(EU) countries make 34% tax contributions to their GDP, LAC(South America/Caribbean) countries make 23.1% tax contributions to their GDP.

Your country is a pathetic 6% and you are blaming the government for taxing people too much already. What that tells me is that - about 85% of the Nigerian population are useless and unproductive.

How then do you expect the government to execute big projects, build good roads, invest in infrastructure, et cetera? Where should they get the money from? Should the CBN print money to bridge the gap of the useless people in Nigeria or what do you suggest?

It’s funny to me how Nigerian citizens can admire and love how things run in developed countries but they avoid the responsibility that the citizens of developed countries undertake. The world bank’s threshold is 15% and yet Nigeria(a 200m) are way short of the minimum to eradicate poverty.

Nigeria is fücked!

I find this post quite distasteful and unnecessary, but for the sake of other people reading this I will choose not not to be be offended by this .

Back to the discussion , I clearly stated the so called “more taxation” u are calling for will never work, why ? Because those paying taxes have a feeling they are practically paying to experience failure in governance over and over again.

Attached to this post is an exposé by Thisday Newspapers on how Nigerians practically pay political office holders to promote poverty.

Like , does it make sense to you that 90 million Nigerians live on less than 1.9 USD daily while 469 legislooters pocket 1,357 USD per day ? Yet u say more taxation is the way to go . Like I said , this is not an academic discourse we are talking real life situations here . U can talk about % of tax contributions to GDP from the pages of ur textbook all day, but how u want to rationalize further taxing an already impoverished population is what I would like to see u explain .

I pay tax in Lagos state and I know for certain I’ve not enjoyed the benefits of the tax I pay that would encourage me to ever support increment in my tax rate . I don’t drive on good roads like one would expect , I don’t use government water ( the staff of water corporation practically collect free salary if u ask me ) , I even face politicians and their aides with escorts trying to bully me off the road even when they are driving against traffic in vehicles bought with my tax.

You have to make this make sense Abeg.

Illimitable:
Double the tax on the rich folks
Tax the artisans.
Raise enforcers in the villages - Tax everyone.

Nigeria has the lowest tax-to-GDP rate in Africa. The people from Togo, Ghana, Rwanda, Niger, Congo pay more tax contributions to their GDP than Nigerians.

The world bank actually said the minimum tax-to-GDP rate to eradicate poverty should be 15%. In Nigeria, it is like 6%. Meanwhile, the developed countries you people love to admire from a distance contribute a whooping 34% in taxes alone to their total GDP.

Yet, you want to eradicate poverty cos the money would fall from heaven like manna. Una never ready. Keep building castles in the air thinking the government would manufacture money like magic to sort the myriad of problems in Nigeria.

The problem of Nigeria is basically Nigerians.

I don’t think u have a full grasp of what is the issue here . This is not Eco 102( Intro to Macroeconomics) , we are talking real live scenarios here.

U talk about double tax on the rich but it’s already happening maybe u don’t know . If u want to buy a a rolls Royce of 100m now , be rest assured u will pay imports duty of N70m which puts the cost price of the vehicle at N170m cos luxury vehicles are cleared at the customs for 70% of the value of such item. (That’s why u see people like Davido lamenting when they have their luxury vehicles shipped down here ) .

Places like Lagos, homeowners are already used to paying land use charge which the government collects directly . Even rich folks who own large companies pay corporate income tax like they ought to with FIRS always shinning touch for every corner. I don’t know about this more taxation u are talking about.

What I think u should be clamoring for is reduction in government spendings on political office holders . Mudashiru Obasa the speaker of Lagos state house of assembly practically collected money to go for a programme in Turkey along with six members of the house ; only for him to go to the country with a lawmaker to buy furniture with that money

Our politicians have tens of SUV’s in their convoy bought with tax payers money carrying practically nobody ….. Our lawmakers get paid ridiculous amounts as allowances yet they’ve not been able to delibrate on issues and come up with legislations that will move the country forward.

If any Nigerian government follows this ur advice of more taxation in light of this current economic realities , the government will not only have increase in crime rate to deal with, but a possible revolution that will take the survival of the country with it .

Illimitable:
There are various ways the government can raise money to feed them. Energize the FIRS to double the current number of tax payers, raise the tax rates as well or increase VAT.

Nigeria’s VAT rate is currently 7.5%. It was recently increased from 5% to 7.5%. For a country trying to eradicate poverty, it’s way too small. For instance, UK’s VAT rate is 20% - and that’s a developed country who has forgotten about poverty for donkey years.

lolz ….I put it to u my friend that u don’t know what u are talking about .

So in order for u to feed millions of youth to be conscripted into the army u will have FIRS increase VAT, double the number of tax payers.

How ? Like how do u double number of tax payers when more and more people are getting out of jobs due to companies folding up , high operational and overhead costs which reduces the income of businesses and thereby affects the amount payable as tax ?

We are not talking theories written in textbooks here, we are talking practical realities we see almost everyday . Like some people practically rely on friends and relatives to feed now; people who used to earn decent living before now . How does FIRS want to increase the number of tax payers when such people increase in number almost everyday ?

homesteady:
One thing I’ve learnt from Buhari’s government and a presidential position of a national body I held in 2019 is that the President is the major engine. The level of determination someone vying for presidency is far different from anybody he will pick to be part of his cabinet.
That “On your Mandate we stand” chant has deep meaning.

So when the person with the mandate is weak, everybody standing on that mandate is automatically weakened. In Nigeria where we have very weak institutions, it becomes a free for all, which we are experiencing today.

This is the reason why I am totally against a Tinubu’s presidency.

If Nigerians don’t learn from this Buhari unfortunate situation , I doubt they will ever learn.

Like his government is a free for all ; no coordination/ collaboration amongst units that should function together for the good of the country . An example is During the whole COVID-19 pandemic , while the ministry of health was specific about people avoiding crowded areas to prevent the spread of the virus ; the ministry of communications under Pantami was given ultimatum to mobile phone network subscribers to register their mobile lines which obviously leads to hundreds of people thronging to sim registration centres to link their NIN . Like why work at cross purposes when u are serving the same administration that must have promised to work in the best interest of the citizens ?

Illimitable:
So what are you going to do to the jobless 50 million youths in Nigeria? The job market cannot absorb them because there’s no vacancy anywhere. Nigerian universities produce more graduates than available jobs.

Russia has a compulsory military service for every male between ages 18-27. I think such programs should be introduced in Nigeria between ages 18-33 for 3 years.

We cannot just have an unproductive number of youths in the millions doing nothing. I would rather have them in the army fighting bandits than walking around aimlessly in Lagos.

Can the government feed them ? The government could not even feed poor and vulnerable Nigerians for a month during COVID-19, yet u talk of the government feeding millions of youth forcefully conscripted into the army for 3 years max…..

Those currently in the army don’t even get paid well, they have to wear their uniforms to save transport fare in places like Lagos just to survive the current economic realities . Go to places like Mile 2, iyana iba, orile , festac side etc …. Most of the commercial bike men there are military and security officers using their bikes as side hustle just to survive with their families .

Where Government wan take see money take care of the soldiers welfare ?

Amala + egusi & fish : Let’s just assume the croaker fish is the star of the dish while the amala is the side

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The system is bloated with many workers. 4 people doing one job.

One day, I drove my cousin to pay his school fees at King's college.

They gave us a Remita code. I went to the bank, paid the fees and the system automatically generated the receipt and sent it to my mail......So easy right?

I printed it, but they didn't accept it. They said I need to go to the accounts so they will write the same receipt again with Biro. This written one is
what would be accepted. So those women there na just to dey write the same thing wey automated system print for me

Civil service na just another white elephant ministry [/color]

This is the reason I never go collect my Masters degree certificate from one of the so-called prestigious Yunifasiti

After paying all the necessary fees online , Remita has sent receipt and my page on the school portal has been updated to show I’ve paid all fees; I still need to first go to the cash office in the school for them to stamp and sign the receipt I printed on the school portal….. It is only then I can proceed to the school of postgraduate to collect my certificate ….

Remita has obviously taken away the job of those men and women sitting at the cash office , but the powers that be will have them stay there and be doing nonsense while making me lose productive hours .

Theflint1:
Lol...the Nigerian civil service is essentially a welfare program. The only serious civil servants I know of na those wey dey Lagos and that's probably cause it means they're always on ground to collect bribes. Once you see civil servant serious with work, just know say e don dey see opportunity to loot massively.

And that is why nothing will change in this country . A guy I mentored who later got into Lagos State civil service anytime we see fills my ears with a lot of things civil servants across different ministries do just to milk the system and get bribes while at their job.

They have showed him fire in his ministry cos he’s a devout Muslim who would not partake in any of their shady deals . He gets queried for the minutest of things by some of his corrupt superiors , even his contemporaries have called him mugu to his face for always wanting to act sanctimonious. I just shake my head anytime he relays such stories cos I know nothing will change . His contemporaries who are Level 9, level 10 now will also rise to level 17 sooner or later and such persons as directors or perm sec will definitely entrench corruption if they are already this corrupt in their formative years in the service .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]That was why I said it would be more profitable for him to vote someone that will uphold corruption.

Na that one go fit favour am[/color]

Then Atiku should be his man , not Peter Obi.

Segedinho:
onyeama earns my respect dor being truthful..that was why i wasnt happy about izzu's bringing up his struggle on board.


i understand he is trying to twist and be comfortable in it just like Amoto story of halving his agbado for his fellow...

Honestly speaking , Onyema brought this upon himself . Anybody who is not a civil servant that works at least 8-5 daily , pays his taxes and rates as well as pay for utility bills will be angered by what he wrote that day .

Like he’s gaming the system which other people paid for it to run effectively, he can’t turn back and say he’s trying to reform the society while at it . The thing no just go well.

Personally I detest civil servants(government workers )for their role in the root cause of what is wrong with this country . They get paid for doing absolutely nothing , their efficiency cannot be measured and they even make u pay for things that are part of their job description when u visit the various ministries . They make corruption so appealing ( which is why I’m not surprised Onyema doesn’t really feel bad about what he wrote that day )

I don’t even think Peter Obi would be proud of Onyema campaigning for him if he sees what he typed on nairaland concerning his work routine and the meter bypass thingy . I mean that’s the kind of stuff we read Peter Obi is coming to make right .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Anytime I tackle Buhari, the next thing I read is "Hope you know it happened when GEJ was there"?

Very useless and stupid talk.

When whoever enters there now, we go begin hear history[/color]

It’s so annoying when we talk about current insecurity challenged this administration has been unable to proffer workable solutions to; only for u to see their apologists come up with stuff like - there’s always been farmers-herders crises since the 80’s, there’s always been separatists agitations, even under Jonathan Boko Haram was hoisting flag in LGA’s in the north east ….. blah blah …. Black sheep .

I mean for 4ck sake! We are here talking about serious security challenges that has been so bad that terrorists are shooting at the air force with anti-aircraft guns, terrorists are attacking presidential guards , terrorists are taking over runway of an airport , terrorists are posting videos and pictures of their victims on open internet and they have not been challenged successfully or made to pay for these audacities.

As I dey like this, I don dey Siddon look mode. Make dem vote anybody dem want; democracy has always been a case of less conscious majority imposing their choice on the more conscious minority . Las las na the majority go still suffer the brunt.

Observation

iamoyindamola:
So why did you say we are bitchinggg around when arteta surely have hand in it
There's no way edu will make such decision without arteta approval
He's a manager not head coach

I thought I already said maybe the choice of words were not right , but agreeing Edu has a hand in their departure is sure not the same as blaming Arteta totally for what we had little or no insight on as at that time.

iamoyindamola:
Yes I did but you trying to clear arteta no hold water at all, there's no way edu will make the decision alone
Auba was sent away not because of performance edu lied

I feel.we can both agree it was a join decision by Arteta and Edu

iamoyindamola:
You are still changing narrative
Edu said not performing how does that relate to discipline
I am asking you again apart from early last season do we have any other season auba didn't perform
We saw countless seasons xhaka caused us alot both on field and off field where was edu then

I'm not changing any narrative ; You were partr of those calling for Auba's head initially when he fell out with the coach especially at the beginning of this past season when it was reported himself and Lacazette were available but had disciplinary issues as against the illness excuse Arteta gave. Auba was a good player until his disciplinary issues started ( which I guess later affected his onfield performance)

The article is talking about how we've gotten rid of big salary players which Auba and Ozil are hence my reference to their case and most fans just feel Arteta didn't handle it all well. Now there's a new perspective that Edu might actually be responsible for their departure and not Arteta like some fans would want to believe due the weak man manager they see him to be.

iamoyindamola:
Brazilians are also Latin na

Brazilians own football ; it's their life.....Brazilians play to survive

iamoyindamola:
I want him and the likes of amn,Nelson, torreira out asap

Players like Neslson and Mitland-Niles are players who.wouod retire and not be known for doing anything exceptional in their career. They may play for a team that wins cups and leagues, but as individuals their recognition will.not really be an issue. I hope we get rid of them soonest.

As for Torriera, I Don accept say we lose money on the guy signing. I don't even see him as an Arsenal player again. I guess we learnt our lesssons on these Latin Americans

iamoyindamola:
I hope you know everyone have the right to their own opinion and you using auba as example is grasping on a straw
According to edu context if you are earning high and not performing it's killing the team, when last did auba not perform apart from early last season even at that he still scored more than lacazette that replaced him
Do you also know edu and arteta wanted to extend lacazette contract.
The truth is they wanted him out and the opportunity presented itself so cool down on your comparison with ozil
Moreover ozil have been like that from wengay days

Well, Edu said it himself; it's not what I formed in my head or something. I've always had the feeling most of the things people pin down on Arteta may not actually be his fault, but I've never had any fact to back my hunch up.

But here is Edu saying it with his full chest that he's had the plan of pruning yje team down to a manageable size which consists of players with little or no ego issues...... Auba had 3 disciplinary issues before he got the ax. Anybody here whose been following my post knows how much of Auba's cheerleader I was. I practically love the guy's goal instinct ; but the ment I knew he was flu king disciplinary rules, I just can't continue stanning a professional who would not act like one.

Maybe my choice of words were offensive to fellow fans who want the good of the club too; I apologize for that. However, I'm glad Edu has cleared the air to make is know he's been responsible for the tough stand on commitment and discipline ( which we've often thought was Arteta's brain child)

iamoyindamola:
Pepe is trusting the process
Too late nigga

Weyrey no trust any process, he dey fear Edu hammer. This one that Edu is talking tough, he knows he might be out of London and won't enjoy all the goodies that comes with living in London.

Omo I saw the tour around Arsenal facility they gave Viera and I see say those guys are really privileged to be playing for a top club. Na why club sef supposed dey shenk them when dem no do well at all