₦airaland Forum

GloriousGbola:
Lagos IGR is from PAYE

PAYE is from workers in your state

what are states doing to attract companies to set up in their state, or to stay in their state?

a state like ekiti where fayose once threatened to burn a bank branch, then in his second coming later tried to strong arm other bank y digging a trench across their entrances ?

which business person sees this and says wow - this is where i want to set up my business?

logistically, should dangote not have set up his refinery in the SS? does it not make more sense? if i recall when he was setting up some community jokers who were hyped up on themselves killed one of the project managers. Fashola intervened immediately in a full public show of consequences. there will be no omo onile on this project

ogun state has been attracting manufacturing

There are a whole lot of reasons why Lagos is doing far better than a whole lot of other states . For example almost 80% if not more of sea Cargo imported into the country gets imported through Apapa port and Tin can Island both in Lagos. Only Onne Port amongst the other port can boast of being functional like the other two ( though receives significantly small cargo imports ) . The rest ports are as good as dead.

It is only reasonable for manufacturing firms who unable to get suitable site for factory in any of the industrial estates scattered all over Lagos (industrial estate that have been existing when Tinubu still dey University for Chicago ) to pitch their tent in neighboring Ogun state .

While it’s not debatable that security is a major deciding factor in deciding where companies/firms set up their operational base, it is important to note that over the years Commercial activities have been run through Lagos not because of the super powers of those in government running Lagos but the historical commercial positioning of the state . I grow up to meet textile companies in the aswani areas of Isolo, Ilupeju industrial estate and the pharmaceutical companies and factories in dem Ikeja industrial estates .

larride:
I do not run away from FACT because it gives context to an argument.

For the PAYE to go up, the means more people are getting job opportunities and the government has put machinery in place to make sure that their PAYE taxes are collected appropriately.

So it’s 2 things, the government made the state economic viable whereby people start getting jobs, opened up the states to more investment which brings in job opportunities for the people of the states and they also made sure the people are paying their taxes appropriately. (Tax avoidance is high in the country)

So I ask again, how is this not an achievement? If it’s not an achievement, why didn’t the other states do it? Is it because they don’t have the range?

lol… offside

PAYE is a low hanging fruit for government in a country like Nigeria where people do not have a culture of paying tax . Lagos state government simply intensified efforts to pluck those low hanging fruit by dragging as many company as possible into the tax net relying on the PIT act that empowers it to do so.

That was why I said they didn’t do anything special other than collecting what they had not been collecting . That is where alpha beta comes in. We all know the abracdabra this highly revered tax consultant has been doing for Lagos

GloriousGbola:
When we consider what has happened in the last few years in other states I would disagree.

In the 2000s to 2010s mend was attacking oil company staff quarters. Today oil companies have exited warri and most of shells pH operations are run from Lagos.

All this mess in the SE means no one is going to look to set any business there for the next 5 to 10 years. And people already set may be looking for exit.

LASG pulled out all the stops after end sars to ensure looters were identified and punished. It is a deliberate strategy.

I honestly do not get ur point .

larride:
A party that took the IGR of the state from 14bn to 400bn didn’t do anything special.

They are just collecting taxes.

Why won’t you people support a man that couldn’t increase the IGR of his state for 8yrs.

But without provocation u admitted over 38% of IGR generated in the state is from personal income tax na. I just told u that PAYE is statutory and Personal Income Tax act gives the state government to collect it. Nothing special about it.

Why u dey vex for fact ?

larride:
I agree with you. Lagos just turn into commercial capital of Nigeria from creation.

It’s not as if people laid plans that opened up the state to investors. It’s not as if some people reclaim land from bar beach, open up Lekki, developed it, created a free trade zone there.

In few years when Epe and Ikorodu is fully developed, that’s how we will hear it just happen and they did nothing.

I agree its nothing special, maybe the other states and FG should at least do half of it and make their states economic viable.

Lagos has always been the commercial nerve centre of Nigeria for years. I’m not even an accountant but I can tell U for free that tax reforms over the years along with tax payers education has been responsible for increase in tax generated through personal
Income Tax .

All these things no be achievement wey person dey pop champagne on top. It’s just government doing what it needs to do to survive ( and any corrupt politician can help himself to the generated funds as well )

You even admitted how the NURTW guys extort as much as they want from the hardworking transporters and don’t even account for the funds to any official government agency. That is to show there’s enough money in Lagos begging to be collected due to the large volume of economic activities going on a daily basis .

larride:
When you tell some people that Tinubu met Lagos IGR at less than 15bn naira in 1999, they will think I’m capping. Before leaving in 2007, Tinubu had increased the IGR to 83bn. Today Lagos IGR is over 400bn. (The state should even be making money than this if the unaccounted taxes from NURTW and those council guys are going to the right coffers) over 38% of Lagos IGR comes from PAYE.

It was the LIRS method that the FIRS now copied at the federal level to implement.

Or should we talk about the Lekki free trade zone?

Tinubu and Lagos APC are far from perfect (I believe they are even too relaxed currently as the political machinery is well oiled) but they are light years ahead of other states in the country.

There’s actually nothing special about all these IGR talks APC Lagos people always throw about.

U just confirmed 38% of Lagos IGR comes from PAYE which means statutory tax deductions from salary earners like me and u account for 38% of what Lagos APC likes to celebrate as achievement . What’s the achievement in a government enforcing the remittance of tax salary earners are statutorily mandated to pay ?

It’s not like Lagos did anything special to even make those multinationals do business in Lagos , rather it’s cos Lagos is the commercial nerve centre and it’s status as the commercial capital of Nigeria and most top companies have their base majorly here in Lagos.

Ibime:
Baba go done dey drop that N3m a week you mentioned for constituents. The vexation him go take loot to recover himself ehn

That is if he wins o. He’s contesting against Obanikoro’s son who is of the APC . That one play am better rigging film last time , except Banky sef don master the game e go hard for am to unseat the guy o. Considering Obanikoro the father is also going for Senate , the matter go hard o

Ibime:
Wetin the Peter Obi do for Anambra sef. Na so Donald Duke and Osinbajo make noise. Thieves in technocrat clothing.

Nobody can change Naija, it's even beyond military Govt power now.

As far as I'm concerned, anything PDP or APC is trash, even Banky W.

Banky W is just another Desmond Eliot waiting to happen

raumdeuter:
All of you asking about 3rd force

I just heard that Jandor is Lagos PDP candidate

So all the candidates for PDP since 2003 have been aggrieved APC members. In 20yrs PDP Lagos cannot raise any genuine candidate but just go to the trashcan of APC to see who is left

PDP Lagos is the most fooolish political movement I’ve ever seen.

I recently read an interview of Bode George where he complained of how APC had always rigged Lagos governorship election in favor of its candidate and even called Jimi Agbaje a mole for APC in the PDP. At this point I feel the injection baba took in the army is beginning to
affect his reasoning ability .

I lived in Alimosho LGA (The largest LGA in Lagos that has been a deciding factor in Lagos governorship elections ) for a number of years. I see how AC later ACN and now APC hold ward meetings weekly with septuagenarian retirees and youths who are majorly artisans meet weekly and discuss about the party’s progress in my neighborhood. I see how these old men draft in their younger children who are either ad-hoc staff in the local government or sole proprietors in their own little way. The market women too join them in their meetings and the meetings do not stop in non-election years.

For years I don’t see PDP Lagos do any of these things . In fact ward meetings like The one described above are practically non existent in PDP Lagos till it becomes an election year and u start seeing posters .

Personally I’m tired of APC Lagos because I feel the lack of a viable opposition has made them
do only things that favor their party and not things that favor the general good of the entire populace . They’ve been so relaxed that they only provide solutions to some identified societal problem only if it serves their own political interest as a party ( Like they are doing with NURTW issue in Lagos presently ) .

However PDP has proven to be an unserious party filled with jesters like Bode George that will only talk and humor the crowd without taking any reasonable action in the right direction. Instead of taking 4 years to plan a political coup in Lagos , they will withdraw to their shells after losing an election only to come back a year to another election and start capping shiiit.

larride:
It is even delusion to think the “Youths” that are going to get their PVC are doing so to vote for a particular party.

The youth in Lagos that will play ball on every available open space that Election Day and retire to “shots of Jedi “ after the match .

raumdeuter:
Its not about shame. What does he have to offer the APC that will make them hand presidential ticket to him

Atiku can change party tonight and get the presidential ticket because he has money to give, Same with Tinubu

What does Obi have to give beside English? even donjazet go help am pieces that grammar

The funny thing be say if he decides to join APC , in an instant he will lose the votes of people like DonJ who see him as the next best thing after jollof rice. The Twitter community will be disappointed and love will turn to hate sharperly.

Shey no be double wahala for dead body like this ?

Unlimited22:
Check the average age of a typical Nigerian. The number of Nigerians with access to smartphones and the internet. The number with access to television and radio.

Then you'll understand that all this 'grassroots' and 'social media doesn't win' talks are simply euphemisms for moneybag politics, for the fact that a lot of people simply do not care about progress as long as they're well fed

Every other talking point about voters is a fugazi. Those underrating the power of SM should please take a look at the Arab Spring and, closer to home, the Endsars protests.

lol

This is written like who assumes majority of people in States like Jigawa, Kebbi, Gombe etc actually have access to Twitter, nairaland etc and form their political opinions from those platforms .

I can bet u that if a state like Zamfara has 3 million eligible voters , less than 30% of them are on any of the aforementioned platforms reading political debates and arguments to shape their electoral decisions . Some local governments do not even have electricity even here in the southwest . You need to go to places like Ijebu waterside in Ogun state , go to some innermost part of Oyo state ( I’m sure almost all states have places like this) …/ You will understand that not having a political structure built and nurtured over time will continue to cost people like obi and other third force advocates.

You may not agree for the purpose of this discussion but it is what it is .

donjazet:
Must we pitch our tent with either of those guys?? Why don't we seek for better candidates?

I feel ur spirited efforts but I must tell u, that which u hope for is not feasible in the foreseeable future If the youth and those clamoring for third force keep doing the same
old mistake .


1. The APC we speak of today as the ruling party was formed February 6 2013 following the merger of 3 well established parties ; CPC, ACN and ANPP. The conveners didn’t even stopp at the merger alone; they wooed defectors from PDP, some Factions of APGA and other minor parties. This means the party despite boasting of already established politicians from different major parties still took 2 good years of planning , scheming , propaganda , organizing , consulting and politicking before it did the unimaginable by seizing power from the ruling party.

2. People like Peter Obi and his followers will come up less than a year to a general election with no grassroots mobilization, no serious party structure in place and then boom! They talk about plans of transforming the country , plans of ridding the country of the endemic corruption , plans of ending poverty etc all to a tiny proportion of the entire voting population that uses the social media / news to form their political opinion. They forget about the market man and woman that forms his political opinion and decisions vide hearsay that their friends who are members of either APC or PDP pander and argue about it. They forget about the fisherman in Rijau, Niger state whose only source of news is BBC Hausa he listens to on his transistor radio that talks about APC and PDD all day.

3. This is the same mistake PDP and other parties make in Lagos that it seems like AD, AC, ACN , APC or any tinubu party will continue to win in Lagos. I loathe Tinubu for a lot of reasons but u can never fault that grassroots mobilization he’s been able to build for years. PDP with a party secretariat that the landlord always call them out for owing rents will just start pasting posters 1 year to election yet no functional party structure in all the 20
LGA’s and 57 LCDA’s in the state ; they do not even hold ward meetings weekly like APC does across all LGA’s and LCDA’s , yet they expect people to just vote for them because they are the Moses to deliver Lagosians from Emperor Bola Tinubu Pharaoh. Smh

4. Any serious third force either in Lagos or Nigeria that wants to be taken serious needs to get its homework done. It’s not about guilt tripping the people or blackmailing them emotionally and claiming they have Stockholm syndrome by continually voting their oppressors . You need to make the people know you first , let them understand your ideology over time, make them believe you can be that change they desire and then beat that incumbent party at the their own game of propaganda . It is only then u can at least stand a chance .

This is my personal opinion , I may be wrong on some of them sha

donjazet:
I don't think this is true. But most importantly note that, IPOB was preceded by MASSOB. The groups were never violent in those early years. Things started going this way when they saw the success of Niger delta militants in using violent means to achieve success.

MASSOB was not violent because the leader didn’t preach hate nor violence . Uwazurike was imprisoned by Obasanjo but u don’t see igbos who believe in Biafra unleashing violence on people of other ethnic groups or from other regions.

Go and listen to Nnamdi Kanu speak , u don’t need to start looking all over the globe for the reason why IPOB is now proscribed as a terror group. It’s this kind of excuses educated elites make for them that makes people erroneously assume all Igbos are IPOB.

donjazet:
Ipob is a political secessionist group that has its core ideology the belief that Nigeria is fundamentally not one country. You yourself share this same ideology and just repeated the same thing this night.

I think it's unfortunate that the group has been hijacked by extremist forces but if you follow the history of the group, you will see it's not like that.
I guess, along the way, they decided to copy the method used by nigerdelta militants which bore fruit.
The Niger delta militancy was a struggle for better resource allocation for the people of the region. Ken Saro wiwa was one of the intellectuals who birthed the movement but when he was killed by the military government, the group increasingly became militant in nature and after more than 30 years, the struggle bore meaningful fruit. The share percentage in the allocation budget for their regions were increased and a whole ministry was formed. All the violent members were pardoned on the condition of laying down their arms through various amnesty programs.

I will never support violent tactics but I'm trying to point out the evolution of the group and the possible logic of it's transmogrification from an agitation group to a violent one.
But let's not in all these, forget the core ideology behind the group, the division of this country into separate regions just like it was originally. I'm sure that's something we all agree on.

Most important point U deliberately decided not to point out in this post is the fact that the leader of the group Nnamdi Kanu has always preached hate of other ethnic groups. What u are seeing today and stylishly calling hijack by criminal elements is just the “fanatics” amongst the hordes of followers put to practice those hateful words. No more no less

Ibime:
If FG should hang Nnamdi Kanu, will there be an outcry in Igboland today after the activities of ESN?

Or will the only people to flip out be ESN themselves.

I always avoid people that use hateful and genocidal language and I couldn't believe so many sane Igbo brothers were supporting him after all the hateful and genocidal language he used about other peoples. [Oh well, violence starts with the tongue, and here we are.

This was why I had issues with Greatihex showing open support for those guys then. He claimed we don’t listen to Nnamdi Kanu with open mind hence why we don’t get the key messages he’s been passing . The same Kanu whose messages has always been full of hateful words.

Griffin was suggesting the killings may have been done by federal agents who are trying to frame IPOB up but I find such reasoning as far fetched. To what end exactly ? It’s even more believable that the IPOB guys are putting to action all those hateful words Kanu has put out there .

What most people refuse to acknowledge is the fact that the north and the south are not one and do not intend to be one at anytime soon.

Most southerners do not bloody care if a northerner gets killed in the most gruesome manner , vice versa .

The only time the dominantly Christian southerners raise their voice to condemn the gruesome murder of northerners is when such northerner is of the Christian faith. CAN at the national level picks the fight up based on information provided by the CAN in the northern region.

The northerners on the other hand do not really care whether a southerner that gets killed is a Muslim or Christian. Those ones just assume whatever makes u get killed as a southerner ; u earned it

It’s sadly funny but true. Nigeria cannot be described as a nation. A nation is supposed to be a group of people united by common history , culture language and interest. The north and the southern parts of Nigeria are exact opposite of this .

I used to be very passionate about these things in the past but I just lost the energy . Like I always tell people , Nigeria is a jungle; anywhere u find urself in Nigeria always try to do what will save your life .

Amoto94:
Mo Salah in the Premier League this season...

• Most shots: 139
• Most shots on target: 60
• Most big chances: 37
• Joint most goals: 23
• Most assists: 13

He's now won the Golden Boot in 3 of his 5 seasons at Liverpool, only Thierry Henry (4) has won more. The Coaches Voice

Dem say na system player and na Mane dey carry am

Griffon:
Nah. All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t swallow hook, line and sinker what the FG controlled media sells to you.

IPOB isn’t even on UK’s list of terrorist groups, but look how they were proscribed and made to look so evil here in Nigeria just because they’re a separatist group.

That should tell you something.

Are you aware that your FG can commit atrocities under the guise of IPOB and still use their media channels to accuse IPOB of such atrocities?

Anything to keep the group at bay bro and give credence to their claims that these guys pushing for self-determination are terrorists.

The politics of IPOB’s proscription as terror group in Nigeria and refusal of UK government to do same is not really my concern .

I’m worried about the continued loss of lives of both igbos and other citizens that do not support the activities of IPOB as a group. It’s worrisome that once u are perceived to be a northerner, government official, law enforcement agent or any individual not observing the non ending sit at home order; u are perceived an enemy of the IPOB struggles . It should be a source of concern to anybody that values human lives .

I honestly do not see sense in the reasoning that FG might be committing the atrocities and turning back to accuse IPOB. I mean it’s very illogical. What does the Buhari government stand to gain from doing that ? For all we know the east was of least concern to the government since coming to power , in fact one of the reasons some of these agitations gained steam was the fact that Buhari ignored the east in some of his major appointments to political offices . Why does he need to start killing people he doesn’t even reckon with on the first place? Come to think of it, all these insecurities is even a bad PR for his own government…… So are u saying he hates Igbo so much that he’s willing to sacrifice good image of his government just to criminalize the whole ethnic group ?

I think Igbo elders need to rein in on the criminal elements disguising as freedom fighters to stop these senseless killings .

Griffon:
How do you guys arrive at these conclusions?

Every killing now gets attributed to ESN or IPOB? Like there were never killings, kidnaps and other atrocities committed in the East before the emergence of these groups?

It’s an election period and it’s normal to have these gory news making the rounds. Which one be IPOB? Did they come out to claim responsibility for the killing?

Do you have any proof that members of IPOB handle ammunitions? Or do you just swallow what the FG controlled media sells to you?

lol. Issokay .

Soludo warned IPOB members Stop enforcing sit-at-home order , they threatened to deal with him . His local government secretariat has since been burnt and now the member of house representing his constituency is beheaded .

Well maybe not all crimes in the east being tagged with the name IPOB/ESN were actually committed by the group, but this particular one is surely not a coincidence . But if u say they are incapable of carrying out such dastardly act, let’s hope u are right and the victims are apprehended before they do even worse.

A very very short story

A Loserpool fan had to tell Salah that man city had already gone 3-2 up at ghe Etihad before he go off cloth dey celebrate his own goal like Aguero

U can tell Salah got the message from his reaction

Jodera:
The grateful part about this interview is that Arteta made it clear that he's in pain he didn't make top 4. He didn't even sound happy getting the Europa slot.

That's the consolation I'm holding on to. Till next season, hopefully we'll move one step further

I think he’s a very straightforward person. I’m delighted he can assess himself and the team and be truthful enough to some of the problems and he and the management should
be trying to proffer solutions to the identified problems.

The part he spoke about the fans’s support was also true. I’m surprised the fans stood by the team all through the season. It’s a pity the boys didn’t turn up in those matches we lost , nonetheless the fans support was massive . I hope the team repay the fans back by doing better next season

donstan18:
If I start stating how deep I’ve hated these people eh, some Igbos here go switch, saying I’m Igbo but don’t like Biafra and Nnamdi Kanu just like they said I’m Christian, but don’t fully believe the Bible.

You see Igbos? You see those guys? Lol.

Every reasonable person should condemn what those guys are doing irrespective of their tribes. That was how a relative’s neighbor was killed by those guys all in the name of enforcing sit at home order . The man was a driver in one of the oil companies, he was driving through one of the eastern state on official assignment. They dragged him out of the bus, killed him and the other staff he carried…. To think the man is even Igbo; he wasn’t spared.

They just killed the breadwinner of a family who has children still in school and a full housewife that will be at the mercy of people going forward .

Amoto94:
It was the same thing when BH started in Maiduguri some from the locals supported citing government neglect it was when they became monsters that their eyes opened.

What these people don’t know is that whatever struggle u are fighting for , the moment a life is lost by ur direct action that struggle is as good as dead. Imagine taking the life of ur own kinsmen just to prove a point to outsiders . Smh.

I hope their people help law enforcement agents to clamp down on as many of them as possible so as to prevent further loss of lives.

Few weeks ago I was speaking with a banker who resides in the east on phone , he needed to send a document to me , he said it won’t be possible that Monday cos they don’t work on Mondays in the east . It was then I knew how serious that their sit at home stuff is.

novia22:
This your yam is beautiful...

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Amoto94:
I learnt that a House of Assembly member was beheaded by unknown gunmen in Anambra, is this true?

I saw the news and wanted to mention Great.ihex that was supporting ESN when IPOB went military initially. I remember how he called us ignorant when we warned about the monster that is being fed by supporting those guys; he claimed ESN was pursuing Killer Fulani herdsmen from their forests.

Every word Mikel Arteta said on Nketiah's future, expiring contracts, Europa League and Everton

[b]General thoughts?

“We did what we had to do, we knew that it wasn’t in our hands, we knew we needed a miracle and it didn’t occur, that’s it. The league table at the end of the season doesn’t lie. It’s true that last year with 67 points Chelsea got into the Champions League and we have 69 and we are out of it but that’s the level and the demands has this league has now.

“Well, we tried to give the fans everything they deserve for everything they’ve done for us and how much they have helped to come much further as a club and as a team. I cannot assess the season today, I’m sorry, I’m still in a lot of pain after what happened on Monday. I cannot give a fair assessment on what we’ve done. What I can guarantee is that we’ve tried to squeeze the lemon as much as we can for every single drop and we reached the point we reached.

“I know, I think we all know - and you can see the reaction of the fans towards the team - that you can see what we have on the pitch and what this club had on the pitch ten years ago or twenty years ago. We know where we have to go. I’m extremely disappointed today because we degenerated expectations that I wanted for this football club because it’s what it deserves and we came up short. The feeling of guilt and not reaching that level is painful.

�Feel like fans are on board and believe in project?

“Absolutely, they have given me many reasons throughout the season, and they have shown with the way they turn up, the atmosphere they’ve built home and away for these players. They can see what we’re doing, what the players want to do, how they represent the club, the values on and off the pitch, who we are as a group. And then we have the level that we have and it’s not been enough. We have to make a clear assessment on that and how we take the club to the next level. If we want to do that, we know what we have to do.

�Eddie performance make you want to keep him?

“When you see Eddie training the way he trains, he doesn’t even need to play. You know you have a player there who is going to help you and he’s done that - look at his numbers with the amount of games he’s played. It’s terrific.

“I will speak to the three players now or tomorrow and after that we need to start to move but we have clear ideas of what we want to do.

�No decision made?

“It’s been decided but it’s very difficult to communicate it. What they deserve is to have a bit of what they had today. To do it earlier, one way or the other, with three situations like that is very, very awkward and it could effect the team so as a club we have to do the right thing in the right moment and sometimes combining those two is not easy at all.

�Young players progress…

“I’m extremely proud and even surprised about how far they’ve come. This is part of the decision we made last summer, that if we want to get to a certain level those players normally get to that level in the peak of their careers and obviously they’re not there but they are moving fast. They’re giving us hope that with them we can raise the level to the level we want.

�Club found it hard to get top four since Wenger…

“The standard of this club has to be to win. The moment we don’t look at that with a time-frame of when we are going to do that, we are not going to get there. So my aim is to win trophies and my plan is to win here and [I know] what we have to to before that to get to that level.

�On players out of contract - have to be ruthless?

“From my side and as a club we will do what we have to do and do what we think is the best thing for the club to move forward - and do it with the integrity and honesty that we’ve always done it. Those players know individually their situations, when it is going to be communicated, and that situation will happen face-to-face, the way they deserve.

�Satisfaction of Europa League?

“Today, I don’t get much, if I’m honest. I’m still in pain. I need the dust to settle, I need to go and get a few days on holiday because I don’t think today I’m going to reflect the season the way it is. But at the same time, I’m very grateful for everybody supporting our club, the way they’re giving us confidence, respect and motivation to drive forward because I think they believe in what we’re doing.

“But when you have it there - I’m a winner and I hate losing and we lost something we could win. That’s why I’m in pain[/b]

Emaprince:
Aston villa suppose relegate

People wey go collect their cool 15 million on Graelish head

Guardiola terrified us with his nonsense line up but finally city wins !

Debruyne na player !

What exactly is wrong with all these small teams this season ? Na when dem
No get anything to lose dem dey get power .

Newcastle treat arsenal 4ck up , Aston Villa is doing same to City. Now See wolves dey deal with Loserpool and even their players dey form
Injury join

Itsrm:
That our bet still dey?

U no follow me bet na . If to say u bet I for don go do juju wey go reset Apari brain