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Ibime:
Otem Atum on the beat

It's an interesting but futile argument as the characteristics of Gods are figment of people's imagination and each culture will give God their own colouration.

Capaldi approach is factual, which is that Mohammed claims the same God as the Jews. It is all over the Quran.

Whether the Jews or Christians accept it up to them. Of course they won't. But then the Jews won't accept the Trinity God of the Christians either.

You just brought in the Otem Atum angle to confuse the matter further

The way teejay take dey propagate the gospel of Otem Atum ehn …..

Amoto94:
Ibime, Popizaino, Donjazet, Roland17, Raumdeuter, Afrodoc, Blueraydick, Airmark, Unlimited22 read this.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1164036820998720&id=100021772396215&m_entstream_source=timeline

Sincerely I do not want to be part of this Late Deborah/blasphemy discussion . Too many emotions flying left and right; I will pass.

popizaino:
My opinion about him is unfolding before our own very eyes and this culprits below could not quote me .

Swiz123
Raumdeuter
Blueraydick
Godx
Android22


How come you all didn't mention me when he missed a decider that if not very careful might cost them the league? I need a quick answer fast

Anybody who watches premier league games often knows Fabianski is a good PK stopper. He once helped arsenal to FA cup final saving penalties in the semi final . As a matter of fact, he has saved 3 PK’s this season.

Mharez on the other hand has scored the last 9 PK’s he’s played .

It’s just a case of a good PK stopper denying a very good PK specialist. So this ur agenda is dead on arrival.

If u want to be dropping agenda u need to first try and watch more matches , cos it’s obvious u don’t even watch enough chelsea matches talk more of other clubs’

Amoto94:
The question should be why do people choose to blaspheme in this age and time? What happened to civic debates ?

First off, blasphemy is a crime is punishable by 2 years imprisonment under naija constituation ( That is if the prosecutor can prove the case successfully in court) . It’s just like any other crime that has stipulated punishment within the ambit of the law.

My question is why do u think blasphemy should be punishable by death when there are laws in place that takes care of such things ? Don’t u think it’s primitive and barbaric to kill someone because of a crime he/she “allegedly “ committed that is well taken of by the laws of the land ?

Amoto94:
Your conclusion based on your observation is wrong. I support the punishment of blasphemy but I don't support the actions of the irate mobs.

Why do u support death as punishment for blasphemy in this age and time ?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So why has no president made his son a billionaire in 4 years?

Abi dem dey fear to use the power?

Like I said, Una just dey assume and presume

Some people are untouchable because of the money they bring[/color]

Nobody is untouchable , na make those in power( Government) never reason ur matter u supposed dey avoid offending them

GloriousGbola:
No be power Obj take shut down savannah bank?
Na. Because of power dangote respects himself and is apolitical

Atiku is a part owner of intels. And this admin has used power to harass the hell out of intels.

This is what I’m saying. Any body with government backed power can crash ur business in no time, no matter how rich u are.

Like egbon pointed out above , Abiola was extremely rich , but Abacha most people will call “ordinary aboki? him inside prison and the mind there . Imagine if he was still free even if he falls I’ll he can be flown abroad without any Yawa.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Na wa for you oh

So you don't know the end of this story?[/color]

I said: Let’s just hope the police and other law enforcement agents to the right thing of prosecuting the culprit]
This is because my family has had an encounter with the police and they saw the case to the tailed before we sttled out of court cos the culprit was very close neighbor.

The stupid neighbor's son attacked my parents and nearly cut off my mum's leg with a blunt metal he used in hitting her at the joint beween the back of the feet.

How I was angry alone when I was informed could not be described; I could've killed him if the case had not been reported at the station and he was picked up. He was charged to court and his case was being adjourned for months.

We later settled out of our the day he was going to be sentenced. Reason why we settled was because we are neighbors and nobody wants people to pointing fingers that their soon was sent to prison. The parents even brought pastor, some elderly people other people to beg all the while he was in remand.

We agreed to settlement and they only paid the cost of treatment we had spent on my mum's leg.

You see if Nigeria police wants to prosecute a case or have top officials in government mounting pressure on them. If the way I was angry the day they called me immediately the incident happend, I would've arranged for "eruku"to beat him to a pulp by just buying N5,000 worth of indian hemp nd Chelsea dry gin wey no go pass 2k make dem help me correct his sense.

donjazet:
Again with the whataboutism, the jungle justice in Deborah's case is a side issue, an important issue nonetheless but a side issue. The main issue is the motivation for the killing.

Listen blueray, sometimes violence is LOGICAL, I didn't say justified, I said, LOGICAL. When we hear that a cultist was burnt to death by a rival cult group, we simply shrug our shoulders and move away because the death was logical, play stupid games, win dangerous prices.

Or we hear where an armed robber who has just killed his victims but engages in open fire combat with the police and catches a bullet, it's a violent death but logical.

Where's the logic in killing someone for telling her classmates to stop posting religious stuff on a class WhatsApp group?? Where's the goddamn logic??

Mind you she didn't actually insult Mohammed, she just made an off the cuff remark, "no be only prophet" how then do Sane people start making this an issue of just the jungle justice??

It's just like American republicans focusing on only the supreme court leak while abandoning the main premise of the issue.

Whataboutism is just a deflection tactic.

I guess we both have different views to this case . It won’t do any of us going back and forth on this.

Let’s just hope the police and other law enforcement agents to the right thing of prosecuting the culprits

donjazet:
This has to be the most foolish thing Reno has ever said..

How did we really get to this point where everyone has now defaulted to whataboutism

How are we missing the main point??
This was one of the most senseless killing I've ever seen in my life. It's not as if the girl actually insulted the prophet. Since when does one simple sentence qualify one to be burnt to crisps??

Why are we now bringing in ipob, UGM or even jungle justice for theft into this??
These have no bearing right now because I'm sure that if anyone posted a video of jungle justice for theft on this page, it will be unanimously condemned by all, no one believes citizens should have the right to kill another person, everyone here will say it's best left to the law to handle and will wish for a much better judicial system than we have now.

But just look at the reaction of the moslems to the killing, they are actually largely in support of it, to the extent that a presidential candidate has to actually withdraw his condemnation of the barbarism.

So please tell me why we're deviating from this issue to engage in senseless whataboutism?

The issue here is that we have fellow citizens who believe that it's okay to kill someone because she told off her fellow students from using the WhatsApp group as a religious ground.

Please lets stop falling for these diversions. When we see jungle justice for theft happening, we'll focus on that one and condemn it too but that's not what were talking about right now.
Whataboutism serves to deflect from the conversation on ground.

U can’t be in ur house and decide what is blasphemy or not. It is the law court that can do that after listening to the argument of lawyers of all the parties in the case. I do not understand Hausa to have known exactly what the girl said or not; neither do I know the young ladies’ beef with those other guys before the unfortunate incident.

Like I said earlier , they should’ve handed her to law enforcement agents if they feel she has committed the crime of blasphemy.

But one thing is sure, the jungle justice they carried out by taking laws into their hands is what people have been doing down south setting ablaze suspected kidnappers, ritualists etc without having a recourse to the law enforcement agents.

We need to agree jungle justice as a nation as a whole , not telling northerners to refrain from such dastardly act and neglecting the ones being down by our brothers here

Now this is what I was saying .

Unlimited22:
The punishment for blasphemy under Nigerian law is imprisonment.
Whats the punishment for blasphemy under sharia law?

You think that's jungle justice ?

I won't even get into the paradox of having laws against blasphemy in a state that promises freedom of religion. Who decides what is blasphemy?

Now u are going totally out of point and talking about other issues I never raised in my initial post.

Blasphemy is a crime both under both customary(secular law) and the sharia law.

If she had been reported and the police taken their time to prosecute her , we won’t be having this kinda conversation. I’m not even interested in discussing the constitution vs Sharia law. The moment they allowed Sharia law in the north was the moment they set in motion a chain of events that led to this place

izzou:
[color=royalblue]And they are right about the bolded..

Remember the story in Rivers where a guy and his girlfriend killed a Jumia delivery guy because of an iPhone and dumped his body in a pit?

Where that guy dey today?[/color]

Nigerian police may not be at their best when it comes to prosecuting people , but they still do at times. Then there’s the judiciary that will foot drag and keep postponing cases because they have so many cases dating back to years and not yet resolved .

There’s no excuse for jungle justice at all

Unlimited22:
And what if I tell you that the major proviso for allowing sharia law is that the law cannot be used to judge non Muslims unless they so request?

Did u miss the part I circled ?

Unlimited22:
We condemn jungle justice in every form, but let's not conflate stealing whicj is a crime anywhere with this. They are not the same.

What if I tell u stealing and Blasphemy are both crimes under Nigerian law and the sharia law they have in place in the north? See screenshot below.

Just like I said earlier, I detest jungle justice and would’ve preferred the lady was taken to court where the she has the privilege to defend her self against the accusation

The Deborah case is a sad one , a case of jungle justice without recourse to the laws of the country.

In Nigeria so Many people believe in jungle justice because they feel the law enforcement agents usually don’t pursue a case till justice is served legally.

In the south here when they suspect one is a thief or a ritualistic even without evidence they resort to beating such person to a pulp and later burn such person too. Remember that Aluu 4 ? Remember ye number of persons that have been killed here in Lagos due to being suspected as robbers, ritualits , kidnappers etc without any form of trial done by the authorities ?

PS: I do not support the barbarism displayed by those men who cut the life of a young promising lady, but I believe something needs to be done by government to curb jungle justice in this country as a whole.

My two cents on the power vs money :

Money and power both have their use ; but if government wants to drown any businessman , it’s quite easy.

Just one government policy can ruin a company /all Investments of business. Don’t get carried away with the thoughts that Businessmen like Dangote are that powerful and more influential than some politicians in power.

Remember how FG closed down the boarder and some businessmen who bring in goods through Benin republic has their perishable items dmsestoyed after the border closure lasted too long. I remember a man calling on Nigeria info radio station he narrated how his goods has been stuck at the port and his creditors have been waiting for him to sell those items and pay back the bank both principal and loan.

As regards Dangote, most people don’t know that a lot of banks are responsible for advancing him facility to him for that purpose. By privilege I saw one document showing a consortium banks listed and the amount of facility they offered our guy who has been using it to build the refinery .

Do u know that Government thru CBN can 4ck Dangote up with those banks ? They have ways of doing these shiiits. Naija is a jungle ; there’s a reason Dangote money to both Buhari and Jonathan in the run off to 2015 elections. Baba placed a gamble on both candidates and it was a win win for him

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Blueraydick

Come and explain what's happening

Jodera, stand behind him. You'll collect the mic after he finishes

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I shayo yesterday evening, I don even sleep before the match start. Na middle of the night I wake up see say we don collect from our noisy neighbors.

Good thing we still have a point advantage over them, hopefully we can win our two outstanding matches and make them cry on the last day.

Taguchi:
we are both saying the same thing Chief, that's why i said "this good"

These are exceptional player that Pep got to make his system work; and the working system accentuated the players qualities .even bakayoko and thomas lemar all shone with bernado silva in monaco

i'm not saying that pep turns all he touches into gold,far from that..but there is a higher chance of pep buying "better players" compared to others

because he has a definite pattern of play,it's easier to monitor and get players that he feels can implement his concepts other than just going for every good player on the market.There is very little room for guess work with pep in player acquisition compared to others

Majority of his buys will work then una go turn around talk say him dey buy all the good players for market

I guess we agree on the fact that he signs players that can implement his system and he makes them a better version of themselves

Taguchi:
Tru bro

Unlike in a league structure which gives you room for adjustment and experiment, the UCL is a knockout tournament that gives very little room to tweak your tactics or right your wrongs a knockout tourney has a lot of variables that can be beyond a coaches control

Pep more than most coaches is very consistent due to him being a System coach .
He always know what he wants to do and goes for the players that he believes can do it and that sometimes gives a false impression that he always gets the best players..

I dont think bernado, rodri or even gundogan would have been this brilliant had they been playing for a Club like united or even chelsea and i will like to believe that players like jorginho, fred , sancho would have all been highly rated than they are currently had they been playing for Pep

Pep will dominate the league for years because
1. he has a very effective, and working football philosophy that is both easy to understand and implemeted by players
2. he has assembled a very good YOUNG and fluid squad that that will develop with him and his tactics
3. Him get the Benjamins too

Obasanjo farm dey learn work; winter is coming

Bernardo played for Monaco and he was brilliant, same as Gundogan for Doetmund . Guardiola didn’t just pick them from the distbin , they showed promising signs to become world beaters and Guardiola made them something close to that.

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Joezinho:
How did the south betray Jonathan? By southerners you mean "Southwest"? Jonathan was the one that betrayed the south. Ever been to Otuoke?

Jonathan received millions of votes in the S/West both in 2011 and 2015.

The real reason Jonathan was defeated was the emergence of the APC, formed by the unity of all major opposition parties. Similar scenario played out in Ghana few years earlier.

I already answered this in my subsequent post

izzou:


[color=royalblue]Poppy...

Abeg [/color]

Instead make popi dey tag Ibime, he dey waste birthday shoutout

WhoDeyHause:
We are not surprised. If they cannot keep their best player messi because of poverty then they will sell all their good players and leave average boys like fati and pedri. They might even open spare parts shop or start Pos business to get more money to pay their flop players salary. Their fans are dreaming of lewadoski and rafinha that will come to chelsea. .
That club is finished.

Ma Niggga

PDPGuy:
Haha
Wike may even be secretly funding Peter Obi’s campaign; because $ for $ Obi is no match to Atiku in wooing the delegates. A man who has been controlling TRILLIONS of Naira of Rivers state money surely has an advantage over Atiku

Bros e be like say u no really know who the man Atiku is

I don’t care whatever amount Wike has controlled for 7 years ; Atiku has been collecting bribes since Wike was still writing JAMB.

The man 4cking retired Deputy director in customs, frolicked with them Babangida , Made serious money as the Vice President of Nigeria and even had oil wells sold under him as Vice President supervising the oil sector . ( U know what that means under Nigeria parlance )

50d33q:
What about those obas he disgraced

Wike na madman . He say small small boys that will wear big cloth

izzou:
[color=royalblue]PDP has shunned zoning and has thrown the position open

I thought I read here that Wike controls the party, has the chairman in his pocket, funds it and blah blah blah

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lol.

Wike kor, woke ni .

That man just does not want Atiku to have the ticket; that’s his end game. He detests Atiku that much but he knows in his hearts of hearts he won’t smell any ticket himself.

Wike has said a whole lot of things that would make northerners not even care to give him votes. Wike is a sectarian leader and does not possess any quality that portrays him as a man with national outlook.

I mean Wike has taken some bold steps in speaking truth to power in the recent past, but mehn he’s stamped on a lot of toes in the north while doing so.

CAPdan21:
Pay them in their coin how exactly...GEJ won majority of the votes in the south except the S/West where it was a bit split though he still had the advantage despite the fact that most of the structures he built was in the North perhaps to curry their political favor, and they still rejected him En masse to vote for their 'brother'...

The south is the headquarters of propaganda . All newspapers that carried inflammatory headlines about GEJ’s tenure are all resident and controlled in the South. We practically set the tone for his total rejection in the north.

Compare and contrast GEJ’s results in 2011 and 2015 , therein lies ur answer. The irreparable damage done to his chances in 2015 was enormous. The media censorship being led by people like Lai Mohammed now was not in place in 2104; Dem Sowore , Lai Mohammed and a whole lot of people in the southern controlled media made sure the northerners heard the worst news about Jonathan’s government on their transistor radio.

I was in the north in the run off to the election and I experienced some of these things first hand. I remember one Yoruba bros that used to try verify some of the news they listen to on their radio thru me.

CAPdan21:
If the news concerning Jonathan is true then he's a big FOOL....Allowing himself to be used as a pawn in the political games of the North is not something I would think any intelligent person would stoop.down to..

I don’t think he’s a fooool, I think he wants to pay the south back in their own coin. We all conspired against him and handed power to the northerners on a platter of gold.

Those southerners have seen their folly and trying to remedy it but the north is dangling some serious banana in front of Jonathan; I believe if he accepts it’s just to spite the southerners for their decision against him in 2015.

So APC extends submission deadline for presidential forms, Jonathan makes u-turn; joins APC in Otuoke and accepts the presidential form bought on his behalf.

Hmmm, una sure say primary election go happen for this APC especially with the “withdrawal form “ that was said to be included in the forms?

It’s all looking like a consensus candidate will be adopted by the CPC boys and Tinubu might not even get a chance to flex his political muscle o.

Abi na we wey dey outside the party dey see wrong picture ni ?

cc: larride

Kilishihunter:
Abeg no dey call that Alonso, Na una property
It depends on the board bro, them fit go mumu sef but tbh turning down a large fee for fdj for hit Barca bad as we're currently broke, Dude doesn't really fit in Barca though I believe he'll cook under ten hag

WhoDeyHouse will come for this post when he wakes

Na so Debruyne dey carry man city go win league