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Roland17:
If that is his only failure today, I will gladly take it. He has been composed and attacked intelligently, knowing when to sit back and when to press. He has also inverted perfectly to support the CBs. Not saying Tierney is suddenly poor but he has lost form and his presence made our attack too predictable in the midst of other offensive options. Hopefully, this benching will reset his brain.

Tierney surely needs to rest considering the number of games he’s played of recent . I also believe he will benefit more if this new formation/set-up is given more consideration

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Roland17:
He has done enough to keep that LB position for me.

His crosses into the box hasn’t been anywhere near Tierney’s on a good day.

This Tavarez never ready..... He’s just too raw for now

kokanepyramid:
Ozil senior am for skills and creativity

Obviously , not debatable

80sjamshophip:
Odegaard Is too lazy

Ozil senior am for Laziness

This Gabriel just dey gimme joy.... G for ginger

I hope Auba critics are watching o.

Smith-Rowe omo ologo

iamoyindamola:
Why are these fans booing Martinez
He doesn't deserve it, they should channel their frustration on the board
Stupid fans

The same Martinez that said he never wanted to join Arsenal?..... Same Martinez that says Arsenal never deserved him ?

If a player leaves the club and doesn’t engage in his former club’s slander he will always get the fans’ respect when next he’s in the stadium. Alas! Martinez is not that player

AubaMaiGoal

These villa players should get red card if we capitalise on these their needless fouls here and there

This trial and error method of coaching Arteta dey use is already his undoing. I wish he won't repeat same in his new club when he eventually gets sacked.

Today Saka plays right, Tomorrow he's back to the left. Today Auba plays as 9, the next day he plays on the left wing.

Updated

raumdeuter:
Half of Hazard CL goals from open play in 33mins

And we will not hear excuses of playing for a defensive side. Is any coach more defensive than Simeone

This man!

Roland17:
I respectfully disagree with this your take. No one on this thread has remotely wished for this team to lose despite the heavy dose of disappointment we are being fed week in week out. I am a harsh critic of Scamteta but I have said it severally that the Scam met me here and I will be here when he leaves. TH14 has expressed his displeasure at the situation with Arsenal, he was in the press box with D. Ek against Spuds, does that mean he wants us to lose? Or he doesn’t care about the club?

Baba, I can not celebrate mediocrity at any level, including in my personal life, people know me for that, I don’t know about others here. Arteta has been given to full backing, including financial support to get this team to play a semblance of football. No one expects this team to make the top 4 but are you now telling me that after spending over 200M, this side is not even playing better than Brighton, Villa, Palace, Westham, Burnley? If we switched coaches of these teams, will Arsenal play better? And who decided to go all young? Was Scamteta forced or was he the one that decided to trash everyone because he wants young players he can control?

We are not in any European competition, yet, we can not muster consecutive performances. Our players go to their respective national teams and dominate games but once they arrive Arsenal they become trash.. What does that tell you? If a coach continuously fails to plan tactically then what is God’s name are you paying him for?

I don’t care how you lace it, a bad coach is a bad coach.. there are no in-betweens. Arteta should have never been hired to coach a club like Arsenal. Until coaching is resolved you can’t go anywhere on the field, this thing is not magic.

I don't recall calling Arteta a god coach since yesterday. All I said was our players also fumbled, most especially Partey and Lokonga. Even Odegaard didn't have a good game but it was Arteta's fault playing him out of position.

No matter a bad a coach is , it shouldn’t stop us from pointing out players who performed woeful too. Las las No be coach go come field play the ball himself Na .

daveP:
Historical data has shown that Auba is better striker than Osimhen. But osimhen is currently the best african 9 in europe.


Let's not go over this who's better talk. I just, like other fans, want more minutes for Laca. That's all.


And overall, lets agree to disagree.

We look forward to Aston Villa.

Òsihmen kor, osibodu ni.........

We are talking of someone who won EPL golden boot u are talking of Osimehn that started yesterday. The way una go just denigrate Ur own players just prove a point ehn, it just amazes me.

We are talking of who has proven to be a better striker between Auba and Laca.....here u are bringing in another players that's not even an Arsenal player. Lacazette even got to arsenal before Auba o, he's always had his chance.....in fact to accommodate him the coach played Auba on the wing yet he still outscored Laca with his 1000 and 1 touches. Abeg rest Jàre

Spy360:
It's not like we parked the bus but that we were pressured into defending when we should be dominating the game.

Now this is something I can relate with, not the so-called "we parked the bus" narrative being propagated here since yesternight. This is a more broadening view about the match.

Crystal palace ensured they put us in a position to defend more Than to attack, not that we surrendered attack to defend and chose defence instead.

We already know Arteta is more pro-defence than pro-attack. He wants to build the ball from the back but some of his personnel obviously just seem to know how to do it well thereby losing the ball in dangerous areas. I blame Arteta for not being able to use the personnel at his disposal as best as he ought to use them tho.

Spy360:
There's a reason both Partey and Lokonga made similar errors leading to goals. Ask why. Ask the manager. Even if you play Xhaka there, the same mistakes will happen.

Arteta's formation and tactics killed the vibes. I hope we get another manager because I am done with what Arteta is dishing to us.

My personal feelings about Arteta is well documented on this thread. I never really believed he had it in him to take us far when he was appointed as our head coach, however following his FA cup triumph I thought maybe this is Arsenal's Zidane coming to lift his former club out of turmoil we've found ourselves. I mater found him to be the opposite of that and wished he leaves ASAP but with the club's CEO statement earlier this season I gats to choice but to just siddon look as e dey go, celebrate the wins when they come and call for the stick when things don't go as planned.

That being said, I don't think I agree with the line of reasoning to blame the coach for individual errors leading to goal in a March. I mean these guys are professional who are duty-bound to showcase their professionalism on the pitch. There's no way I can give Arteta the stick for Partey or Lokonga's error. The rest of the team was upfront trying to push for a goal and they both lose the ball in critical areas and u want to pin it down on the coach? Nah!

If u watch that match well, Partey had it coming....he wasn't really at his best all through that match. That's not on Arteta abeg

What they won't tell u is that Lagos state government didn't pay premium to adequately cover the BRT buses against strike, riot and civil commotion.
Here's a link of the MD of Primero ( Operators of BRT buses on behalf of Govt) claiming the buses were fully insured in 2019


https://independent.ng/brt-accident-our-buses-staff-passengers-are-fully-insured-says-director

And here is a link of Lagos state governor claiming the buses were not fully covered

https://punchng.com/insurance-didnt-cover-lagos-buses-burnt-during-endsars-sanwo-olu/

Na who dey lie?

daveP:
our resignation to fate isn't the palava here as youre trying to make it be. Don't deflect pls.


I myself have faced my front about how long he's going to be here.


Of course everyone here can have diverse views. But I can't agree one bit that this team had improvements as you opined. Never!!


Did you see the crap of a post-match interview he did?


The team got gingered up because the sub caused that aka Lacazette. Else the flow would be the same. The anger in Tierney's powershot is proof that everyone is tired of things not going their way. Arteta got it wrong once again and it translates to the tactics. The fans weren't even cheering again.


If 60,000+ peeps in the stadium were almost silent, then that's definitely not an improvement of Performance. Even the commentator said we switched off at the middle and slow to break their Defence.


Their words vs yours?

I'll take theirs.


That's just my point.

This is just a case of calling a dog a bad name just to hang it. In the match while we were dominating possession, Ben white switching play and Ramsdale doing a fine pass into an open space the fans were cheering really well. It's normal for fans to go silent the moment things aren't going Ur ways, so I don't see an issue here. Fans will surely get disappointed trailing behind at home. Those same fans in the AFTV jubilated when the last minute equalizer was scored.

I really don't know where u get this story of 60,000 fans in the stadium being silent but u need to watch the video of the highlights I posted earlier. The moment Laca scored the whole stadium erupted in joy and the fans couldn't even let Laca go when he jumped into their midst to celebrate.

Make Una dey take things easy when una dey come up with these criticism that can't stand thorough analysis na. For someone who didn't watch the match if he reads some of these comments he will think we just pass the ball to Palace and wait for them to attack and batter us as much as they liked.

daveP:
Bottomline: Give Laca more minutes!!!

That's all.


We can't be wasting such inbox resources for uncertainties. The Brighton game remains one of the poorest Auba performance this season.

I hope its the last, for our sakes.

Historical data has shown Auba is a better striker. Any other thing na sentiment and personal bias.

daveP:
I think its time Auba either starts, then subbed off to give Lacazette at most 25mins to play, or vice versa.


Once again, Auba had ONLY 2 touches in the box all through 95mins. Laca entered late and had 7 touches in box 18 despite playing 1/5 of Auba's time. Nuff said.

Arteta should swallow his pride with better ogbono soup with obstacles and play Lacazette and Martinelli more. I won't mind two rugged acquisition in the mould of Guen or Torriera to make that Midfield a really juicy contest like years back. Its a timid Midfield right now. They'll be marking zonally and one pass will be their undoing. Why zone then?

Touch or no touch, Auba will always score more than Lacazette any day any time....all things being equal. Auba has earned that top 9 position over time.

daveP:



This improvement talk ya saying is mistimes and should never be on the table of positives or excuses right now. Especially as its not even true. Abi na another tv you watch?


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I bet if that Laca last gap winner didn't happen, you won't be saying this atall.


I don't care if its better than the past. Other teams that are far worse off are stepping up. I keeo using the Brentford example cos they're just coming from Championship. If we keep Applauding this crappy thing as improvement while other teams are doing twice as that, then whatever progress made, if it doesn't outdo their own improvement, it is simple FAILURE! Let's not mince words abeg.

What you called pushing was actually a display of indecision.

See the last few mins before injury time. They just packed the bus and we kept spinning round from legt to right and right to left, unable to do nothing.


Like i said, if video analysts of other clubs notice an irredeemable pattern, all they need is counter it, especially when they know Arteta has ever used it to get anything tangible except time wasting.


Its only when you're in a comfy lead you can keep passing around. Lets call this broken spade what it is



A BROKEN SPADE!!!

What most of y'all looking for is a miracle and it sure isn't going to happen soon. The moment the CEO Venkatesham made that comment that they were not going to sack Arteta but give him a chance to build a youthful team I already zeroed my mind on us getting even with the traditional top 4. The fact that most of u still think we will automatically get to dem Chelsea, city, man utd and Loserpool level is what I really don't get.

Arteta is here for now and I will not wish my team lose because I think he's incompetent. The team that played yesterday despite making costly errors still didn't give up and fight for a fair share of the spoils.

You can blame Arteta for tactical decisions he didn't get right, but u must acknowledge the team not keeping their heads down and taking the defeat like they used to in the past.

It's just like Leicester vs Man utd in which Leicester gave away their lead vs man utd only for vardy to give them the lead less than a minute later. That's similar to what I saw on display yesterday. The guys pushed on and still didn't give up. I've watched several arsenal matches with arsenal giving up against extremely physical sides after conceding erroneously not to appreciate what I saw yesterday.

Anyways everybody is allowed to see things the way they want to sha.

iamoyindamola:
You claimed we were pushing for another goal show me na
Out of 3 shots, 2 were highlighted and the rest were palace's.
But according to you we played well
Issokay

If we didn't want to score we won't have two more shots on target after the goal in the 8th minute. Now explain this to me. How did that translate to parking the bus?

One thing about me is I try to be as objective as much as I can and I try to look for facts to back things up. You have not provided any evidence to show we parked the bus in that Match, it's just talks and perception here and there.

iamoyindamola:
Bro according to the highlight you posted apart from the goal the only attempt we had was the ESR lame shot, the build up was even a mispass from palace player.
Apart from that where's the push you are talking about, this is what really happened
We parked the bus after scoring

What do u mean by mispass? An opposition player was dispossessed of the ball and we built an attack from it.

The way u've been going about this Ur "park the bus" narrative since yesterday one would've thought we had only one shot on target in the first half and that was what resulted in the goal Auba scored. On the contrary we had 3 shots on target in the first half ; Palace had 4 which was as a resukt of the last minute volley in the first half. In summary we had a goal in the first half they didn't.... We had them contained and couldn't risk pushing too much lest our defenders get caught up in an awkward position.

I bet u don't know what parking the bus mean. A team that parked the bus will definitely not have much of the posession, more shots and more passes stringed together like arsenal did yesternight.

It's not like I'm the biggest fan of Arteta but make Una no dey exerggerate wetin we watch with our two eyes and stats sef back am up. Haba! Perception is definitely not reality.

Some names go just confuse for this world; Mathew Alhaji.

I guess this is the case of "Paul" pogba who is a devout Muslim that has even fulfilled the Holy pilgrimage. In fact his brothers are named Florentin and Mathias Pogba and they are equally Muslims. Matthias is one of the disciples in the Bible and Paul is an apostle.

Shey wàhálà no too much like this?

Mynd44:
I need home made moi moi. I can't make it cos, it is a huge waste of time and I don't want to buy.

Who lives around me and is making this, biko save my soul

My mum is a pro when it comes to making better home made moin moin; I mean the leafy one ó. Anytime I am in the mood to eat some good ones I just send her money to make some for me, I go pick it up and store in the freezer to be microwaved anytime I want to eat.

I just can't imagine sitting down all day de-chaffing the beans, blending it, mixing and perfectly rapping in leaves only for the unique taste I'm looking for not to come out.

Nobody is talking about the useless Mike Dean that allowed McAthur to stay on the pitch having taking Saka out in that crazy manner.

McAthur practically kicked Saka who was on the ground while the ball was in the air. I believe players are expected to owe their fellow players a duty of care and not put them in serious arms way like McAthur did. Or is it until the affected player breaks a leg that the red card will be shown?

Jodera:
Lol... I'm not even saying we should get 95%-5% or sort. What I'm saying is that, if we want to become top 6, we need to dominate teams(esp average) the way we did after conceding that 2nd goal. To me, the stats ystdy favored arsenal cos we were now dominating after the 2nd goal. I believe we have different opinion to how we perceive ystdy game sha, cos all wetin I see na so so dross game till we conceded the 2nd goal. And it came after the 70min. Meaning we just played a serious game in 20min or less

No urgency, no drive, no determination.
Nothing!.
Not for lack of player's desire, cos i can see they wanted the win, but lack of coach tactics

Here is an extended highlight of yesterday's match. Contrary to Ur opinion that we switched off after the first goal, watch and see that we still pushed the ball upfield in an attempt to get a goal. In fact it was in the final stages of the first half Palace started to really push for an equalizer after we had contained them really well.

Also arsenal didn't wait till 70th minute before we started attacking, in fact we pushed the first attack in the early part of the second half. Like I rightly said, the errors put us at a disadvantaged position and it was fighting spirit of the rest players that helped us salvage one point.How u say u don't see this still baffles me. I understand we have high expectations for this team o, but then we should not just exaggerate situation of things in that match


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UwJZuWARE

Jodera:
If we can't make palace to do the bolded, then make we kukuma just dey expect 10th-12th position come end of season na.

The way you're saying it, it's as if we played well but were undone by 2 chief mistakes. While I agree the mistakes caused their goal, but any neutral fan will see that they're deserving of it. They balled us, pressed us and forced us into making mistakes and above all possessed us. What we're just doing is pass to me I pass to you ball. No urgency, no creativity, no fight till after we conceded twice. It was only wen at 80min Vieira wanted to see out the game by putting in defenders that's when arsenal know they'll he serious..

To be honest, I didn't see any fight in the team, I wasn't impressed with their fighting spirit (medicine after death), Auba lost esp the 2nd half, Pepe underwhelmed, midfield collapse.

If we can't dominate crystal palace without Zaha or Eze, is it Leicester, Aston Villa, west Ham or sort we'll dominate?? E no make sense na

I do tell people, perception is not reality.

What most of u are doing is just thinking and hoping any team we face will allow us run over them like push overs and we enjoy 95% - 5% possession like this is some Arsene Wenger invincibles 2.0.

As regards Ur second paragraph, what if I tell u we actually played and we're undone by those two mistakes? Attached are screenshots of arsenal vs Tottenham and Arsenal vs Palace. If u look closely well, u will see we had more possession against Palace, had more possession against Palace and we even had better passing accuracy. I watched both matches and I can tell u beyond the stats Arsenal's win was made possible by that Tottemham's midfield that has attributes of a perfect market ; free entry and free exit. Nuno played himself and our attackers were able to get balls to score. Vieira on the other hand put up a good fight more than Nuno did in the middle and that saw him sharing the spoils.

How can u not see Auba that was busy sliding tackles to win the ball, running back to join the defence line and then he's back upfront running at their keeper trying to press him for the ball?

I'm impressed with their showing yesterday because it was not just the normal dross football they played against dem Brighton, Brentford, Norwich etc. Pepe has improved a bit and can still get better.

Roland17:
Are these embolden not enough to lose games?

Even when u do all the bold part of my post right, u could still lose a match.

My point is the team I watched yesterday is an improvement from what I've been seeing in the past. They kept on pushing and pushing and pushing till the last minute. They had intent and they backed it up with purposeful football.

Maybe Arteta is not the best man for the job, but I can't just keep lamenting about him every match day when I know the board is not going to sack him anytime soon. I will enjoy the good games and critique the bad ones......and I will also call out the bad players too, not just the coach alone when things go south. Today it was Partey and Lokonga that nearly thwarted the efforts of the rest of the team, bar their "mustafi-que" showings we should've had a decent outing.

Jodera:
Lol... If that's the only fault in the game, we'll blame the players, trust me!.

Everything was just wrong from arteta. Playing poorly and winning 1-0 is just papering over the crack. Infact, this draw and Brighton even paper over the crack self. We've been playing poorly aside Tottenham game and if not that our defence is good, na consistent lose we for dey lose.

Tho, partey and Sambi get fault, but mehn we were playing as if we should close shop immediately that first goal. It's so bad!

What most people fail to acknowledge in football is that for every action their is a reaction ( sometimes equal, sometimes non proportional). Arsenal started the match dominating Palace ; while they were trying to get their mojo Arsenal scored before the 10th minute. It's only normal for Palace to push us back and try to get a goal themselves. This they did really well and we had to soak that pressure as much as we can. Committing most of Ur players to attack whip leaving Ur defenders at the mercy of their physical front men is foolhardy if u ask me.

Palace will not just allow u to keep playing them around while u keep banging in goals, they will surely try to catch u on a counter . The fact that Partey was always caught out of position didn't help matters either. I remember someone saying it seems Partey needs Xhaka more than Xhaka needs him seeing how poor he was in the match.

Now at the resumption of the second half we went all out gun blazing as most fans wanted, but two costly mistakes we were trailing before we grabbed a late equalizer.

The things I will fault Arteta for was pairing Odegaard and Partey to play in the middle, bringing on Lokonga for Saka instead of replacing him with Martinelli and maybe not reading the game well enough to counter Vieira's game plan like Brighton did to us.

Anything apart from that my hand no dey there