MDGsVISIBLE:
When you go to church and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe. … Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your cloths, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.… If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different. … When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them. So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship dance very well because it is your tithe. " Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars? Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with naked women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom, you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church? Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows. Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.
I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.
We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.
I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.
It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.
I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.
If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.
I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.
I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me. The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house. It's still the same today, different scenarios.
If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.
I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.
I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.
I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.
If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.
If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.
If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.
I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.
So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.
The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.
It's just common sense guys, just common sense.

kpolli:


Oh please can you quote it or explain it better? Please let's not throw insults just fair discussions....

kpolli:


If Jesus came to free us from tithing why did He say He tithes on all His possession in Luke 18:12? My advise is that you do your research yourself and stop relying on people to teach you the word of God..... Tithing has never been compulsory, God has given us humans the choice to make our decisions so make yours wisely.

tolexy007:
By the Grace of God, Nothing will stop me from paying Tithe....I will do as my God command, and if any pastor is now using the tithe for is own personal interest, that is btw him and the God...

ganjaman:
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Please how does a full time Pastor feed and cloth his Family

9japrof:
Tithing is corruption in the church, tithing has ceased to exist, from the inception of Christianity, it has ceased


Tithing in the past was given to the levites tribe who never recieved landed inheritance among the twelve tribes of isreal. So Jehovah made provisions that they feed from every one tenth that was presented by the other tribes of Israel. They were priests by calling,(hereditary) and they never had any other job excepting helping in offering sacrifices on behalf of other Israelites in the temple.

What do we have now? Rouges in church robes, from the advent of Christianity, tithing ceased because the Hebrew nation(Judaism) lost God's favour and their worship no longer accepted, that is why today Christians no longer need to do animal sacrifices to appease God, so since no animal sacrifices, do you need the priest for the sacrifices?

Check out the Christian Greek Scriptures(New Testerment) there were no indications that tithing arrangement continued after the prior, during or after the death of Jesus Christ. Contributions were only made to take care of needs of the congregation or during a disaster. There were no indications that the apostles of those times profited from the gospel, Peter continued in his fishing business, Paul after dumping his law profession learnt tent making to support himself materially and so were many disciples. They never collected tithes or contributions from their congregation for their personal use or consumption

Let's assum Paul who was a missionary back then was like the stupid greedy money conscious rouge pastors of today, he would have lorded it over the congregation back then to contribute and buy him a luxury ship, he can always use to sail for his missionary journeys, but no he boarded merchant ships even under the harshest of weather and boarding conditions and there were no indications whatsoever that the congratulations paid for those trips.

All pastors who collect tithes and convert to personal gains are rogues, criminals any name you deserve to give them. What they practice is corrupt form of Christianity
During Bible times, people whom God used for miracles never collected "kickbacks" for doing such miracles, neither did they profit from their spiritual work. Gehazi one of of Elishas servants who collected a gift gifted by Naaman that was rejected by Elisha previously was struck with leprosy. If Jesus Christ, his disciples and apostles of Bible times rejected gifts and self enrichment from the gospel, who the hell are these rogues to do otherwise.

Church contributions should be for maintenance of facilities and for disaster relieve and not into some useless pastors pockets for consumption. This confirms that their powers for operation are not even from God because when God gifts You a gift, maybe healing, prophesy etc and you misuse it, he takes back that power from you, but we see pastors all over the world eating fat while deceiving the congregation with false teachings of tithing. Pastorism now is a profession, where one goes for a course like it's tertiary education, qualifies opens a church while being lazy and the congregation keeps feeding him fat from their poor donations.

SIf Jesus were to visit physically churches of today, what will be his reaction today? When he sees the commercialism that goes in the church today, where all sorts of financial and economic messages are passed in the church while diluting the message about the kingdom of God and salvation( MMM was actively preached in the church by many pastors, Google the pictures are there in the internet). If Jesus was to be physically present in the church, what would be his reaction when he sees that different sections of church are being called out to carry their monetary donations in their hands and come out to recieve prayers according to the amounts one contributes( different prayer for 10 million, 5 million, 1 million, 10,000 and 100 naira donors).
What would be Jesus reaction to find out that PoS machines are now being pass round the church to ensure that you must drop money, even if you claim that you don't have physical cash, no wonder quite a number of people save themselves the embarrassment of going to church if they are broke.
Lemme tell you what Jesus would have done if he were physically present in any church and see the commercialism in the church, he would still do the same thing he did in the temple back then when he overturned the table of money exchangers, and claimed that the house of his father was for worship, while they have converted it as a den of robbers. What is now been done in churches are even worse now.

Now is time to take a step, a commercial church can never be from God, if it were, God would have taken back his power and support from them. Miracles that commercial churches do can never be from God, else when they recieve "kickbacks" for the healings they do, God would have withdrawn that ability to heal from them, meaning these churches that collect kickbacks and still continue healing collect their powers from a different source.

Now is the time to sit at home, do an honest research of the scriptures, do an honest and fervent prayer to God that you want to know the truth and serve him in a way and manner HE wants. He will surely answer your prayers

openmine:
I may not agree with freeze in some certain things but trust me he knows the bible better than most of our celebrated ministers or pastors....

As for this singer,I was trying to read where he mentioned or quoted any scripture to back his claim unfortunately, he ended up saying the same thing most pastors tell the congregation every day about tithe....

Many pastors or ministers know the truth about tithing....many ministers know that the tithing in d bible is totally different from what they teach....

Many pastors know that freeze is saying the truth....They are just surprised how such "revelation" can come from a so called talkative OAP instead of such coming from a preacher or minister or pastor!!

lonelydora:


I have been looking for a way to reply this freeze with an open letter but I'm still observing him. He knows nothing about the teachings of the bible. His days are numbered with the way he is attacking Pastor Oyedepo and Adeboye. These two men of God are on a different realm

wickyyolo:


The love I have for this man is unquenchable.

creamyzone:
My brother you dont need to proove any thing to the bunch of myopic people on social media. They are too blinded by a poverty mindset and this backward environment we all live in called Nigeria. They pity poor pastors yet they still envy rich pastors...

many kind hearted pastors are doing great charity works without making any noise about it. David ibiyiome was a former winners pastor, moulded and ordained by bishop david oyedepo so this is the beginning of better things to come for this great MOG

A private jet will boost his evangelism ministry around the world. Tell me whats wrong in church members donating to acquire a product that will hasten their pastor's global tours. a renowned pastor keneth copeland has given out over 26 jets as far back as year 2009 as gifts to different pastors.


This man is a very humble pastor and still attends the annual shiloh program at canaanland to get more wisdom and as a sign of respect for his spiritual father. So my dear OP, haters will always talk and its better to just ignore them.

PS:
If you pity poor pastors then dont hate rich pastors. its better to be envied that to be pitied in life. Poverty is not holiness. Infact poverty is the root of most evil in our society. May God give you the wisdom to renew your mind...

creamyzone:
My brother you dont need to proove any thing to the bunch of myopic people on social media. They are too blinded by a poverty mindset and this backward environment we all live in called Nigeria. They pity poor pastors yet they still envy rich pastors...

many kind hearted pastors are doing great charity works without making any noise about it. David ibiyiome was a former winners pastor, moulded and ordained by bishop david oyedepo so this is the beginning of better things to come for this great MOG

A private jet will boost his evangelism ministry around the world. Tell me whats wrong in church members donating to acquire a product that will hasten their pastor's global tours. a renowned pastor keneth copeland has given out over 26 jets as far back as year 2009 as gifts to different pastors.


This man is a very humble pastor and still attends the annual shiloh program at canaanland to get more wisdom and as a sign of respect for his spiritual father. So my dear OP, haters will always talk and its better to just ignore them.

PS:
If you pity poor pastors then dont hate rich pastors. its better to be envied that to be pitied in life. Poverty is not holiness. Infact poverty is the root of most evil in our society. May God give you the wisdom to renew your mind...

tamethem:
A lot of us are good in criticising others while the evil in our own bosom are concealed jealously.

If giving my pastor who rides in a Limo half of my salary is a source of Joy and happiness to me though I dont have a bicycle whose headache is it. Call it madness call it foolishness as long as it gives me joy and happiness what concerns anyone.

Its like when an extremely handsome guy who is rich is dating a girl who is not only poor but also ugly and his friends and family are going mad over it.
Whose headache? If that is the person he derives joy being with then let it be.

If anyone thinks thousands of thousands of his church members are fools and are being used then that person must be mentally unstable. If you dont know by now that there is something positive all these multitude are deriving that makes them wanna give and give then you are high on something.

I and my young pastor brother were discussing this issue one day and this is the way he put it.
He told me a story of when he was an assistance pastor to a now big pastor in the late 80s. They had a crusade to attend in Ilorin and they set off from Ibadan. The car of the senior pastor was a reckety volkswagen beatle on their way the car broke down in the middle of the bush. Time was fast aproachin for the start of the crusade and the pastor was one of the officiating ministers. The man had to leave my brother to stay with the vehicle and he joined a motorbiker to Ilorin. My brother slept alone in the bush with the car. He now asked if he sacrificed all that in those days and now he has a wealthy member who buys him a Limo. Those who didnt see his surfering that time would come around to criticise him. What about the senior pastor who rode on bike to Ilorin.

It realy concerns nobody what the congregations buy for their pastors or what the church uses the churchs money to do.

I know of a pastor serving under Oyedepo who had an assignment to do at Abuja from Ibadan. He boarded a plane from Ibadan. A young man he knew from no where stood up from his seat behind came to his seat and asked "Sir are you a pastor" the man answered jokingly "do I look like one" the guy said "something tells me you are one" and the pastor said "Yes Im a pastor I serve under Bishop Oyedepo" the guy said " Sir can I have your card" and the pastor said Im not a business man I dont carry a card . In short the guy ended up getting his number and the following day called and asked for his bank details the next thing the man of God would hear was alert.

How much?

20million cool cash.

There are ppl with legit business that are stinkingly rich and dont k.now what to do with money and God sends one to you will you say No?

Lets just becareful how we judge ppl. Thats my take.

clemmonce:
I have quietly read through your comments all I can see is a man blinded by his foolishness.s .... A man of God prays for me to win a contract I won the contract will it be bad if I buy him a range rover ? this men of God have touched lives..... All you people talk about is tithe..how many people pay their tithe..... God bless this churches in numerous ways... I know you will he happy to hear that pastor ibiyiome is homeless and hungry that will show he is a real pastor.... how dumb you are...... get a life

TPAND:
Ties Savage that girls music has long been forgotten to obscurity and left in Oblivion. Yemi Alade is a better option

Papiikush:
The only True and worthy housemates of big brother Nigeria.

Tony (Master planner and most intellectual)
Bassey (the best HOH on this show)

Bally (Though he never won the HOH challenge but this guy is just too amazing)

Bisola (what will the house be without her?)

Ese (if she was a not fake housemate, you all know what would have happened )

Gifty (even though she was dumb she gives you all something to talk about)

Uriel (the love of my life The only reason why I look forward to the diary sessions)


The rest of the housemates can jump into 3rd mainland bridge.

Entom:

Is BBN now a charity show where we vote for the poorest or least fortunate in the house



Bisola is unique, but she is already an established actress in Nollywood and the entertainment world. Marvis is great, but as a Princess in Onne Kingdom and also a Protocol Officer at Intels Onne, I feel 25 Million and SUV no be her problem. Debbie Rise is a great Guitarist, she has hope of been signed up by Mavin records. Our half-caste, T-Boss is not bad at all, but a lady that flies private jets doesn't need the 25 Million because she is already connected.
EFE is real, EFE is humble, EFE is truthful about his life and upbringing. EFE needs this 25 million to package his life and that of his family. Based on logistics, pls vote EFE... sms VOTE EFE to 32052. Also vote via Wechat by downloading the Wechat app on IOS, Android and Blackberry phones.
#ISTANDWITHEFE
#EFENATION........✌✌✌

selfmadeboss:
does she know that too much of everything is bad?
yes we all supported you when you came out.
yes i know that pastor Bleep you,
yes i know you are paid by some politicians to blackmail him since they know he actually bleeped you,
yes i know you benefited before and you are even benefiting more now.
but for now, we support the apostle.
we no care weather he Bleep you, lick you or rape you.
na wetin sef, if care is not taken, ur olosho toto sef dey smell.
what is so special about u sef.
infact Bleep you and Bleep the people paying you t do this shit