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damogul:
This is what you do not understand. Free will is not immeasurable. Free will is given to man within certain guided limits otherwise man would be lost forever same way a computer is able to arrive at answers to a question by using different approaches but all within its realm of programming.

God giving man free will isnt imperfection. If it was then there would be no morality in existence as all would do solely as they deem fit but throught free will choices we are able to learn and understand and grow.

How would I know cold steam and hot steam are not the same if I do not choose to touch it or I refuse to take instruction when told one is hot and one is cold.

If you live in a house with your kids to yu the walls and doors can serve as boundaries and your kids are free to roam within the house but not outside those boundaries.

The freewill brouhaha huh?

I'd like to take the approach that the very fact that you think we have freewill means that we do not.

For it must seem to me as a luxury thrust upon us without our permission, so to speak.

And no, I do not share your opinion that Yahweh/Religion handed over morality to us.

damogul:
I guess that means u wouldn't create a self learning human by giving him free will. If u call free will malfunctioning then it shows u do not even know who u are.

If by self-learning, you mean imperfect, then no.

Heck, Yahweh did had perfect beings in mind.

And if you'd put words in Yaweh's mouth and say He planned on a self-effacing being who will continue on an unwinding voyage of malfunctioning, then he has no business getting angry each time they slip.

This defeats the idea of an eternal retribution, Hell fire as the case may be.

Mrlemuel:
Not If The Robot Is Attacked By A Malware.

The very essence of the robot being susceptible to malware undermines the omni potency of its creator, unless ofcourse you have a different definition of omni potency.

Besides, the existentiality of a realm of 'malware' that chars the handiwork of a supreme being creates quite a number of difficult positions.

One, it could presuppose that this realm is such that the supreme being actually created, or allows.

Or, it could be that this supreme being isn't privy to sich realm.

Either ways, the possibility of any of the aforementioned postions necessarily defeats the idea of a deity that is both omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenovolent at the same time.

Mrlemuel:
Bro, The Church Of Today Isn't Like That Of Those Days, Ananias And His Wife Weren't The Only One Who Contributed To The Church, Ananias Sinned Against The Holy Spirit From His Heart.
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Angels Lusted After The Daughters Of Men, And Took The Form Of Men Just To Have Carnal Knowledge Of Them, Why? Because They Were Beautiful.
When Adam Was Created, God Never Intended For Him To Fall Into Sin, All In All, When God Created Adam, He was created perfectly, until satan came to destroy that perfection through eve.
If You Create A Robot, And It Malfunctions, What Would You Do If Not Destroy It?

If I were omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent, I won't create a Robot that malfunctions.

Even Zucks uses an Apple.

I always like to maintain that there's this class-notch Steve has left on legacy that other manufacturer's R/D will keep struggling to imitate.

He knows tribalism is wrong. on what basis?

Segregation I guess?

Yet, Christianity as a religion is more culpable of segregation than tribalism. Yet, he could keep his tongue in the cheek as regards the former.

Beats me how people takes the word of this old man seriously.

Op has said the truth.

I wonder why any Christian who has the most basic understanding of what qualities a God is meant to possess would sojourn one weary week in some camp calling upon a God that's meant to be accessible to you from any spot -- up unto your crudest closet.

Sadly, this shows any length one can go to appease after a coping mechanism...


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I do honestly hope some people will grab a last minute brainer and reconsider the thought of camping somewhere in a mosquito-fested environment, wasting hard earned money on an already-made pastopreneur...

EBLABOR:
But lets not forget the point here, Abraham Lincoln assasination dream is the glorious handwork of almighty God.

Is this a joke or something?

Yahweh could somehow gloriously appear to Abe Lincoln in his dream to pre-warn his assassination, yet he could equally rescind into oblivion and impotency when the actual assassination occurred?

Do you know how belittling this speaks of Yahweh?

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Hey Op,
Wikipedia may have something for you.
Check up 'sleep paralysis'.

Bridgetania:
Lolzz..religion u say!!!..nope, the fact that I believe in God has made me believe in Tinx dat exist in this world, even if I haven't seen them E.g Buhari...besises, the illustration above was used to clearly state the mentality of Atheist!..

Do you believe in dinosaurs? Even when you haven't seen one?

I don't even know where to start with you. Enjoy your life my sister.

Bridgetania:
As for me,, I don't believe there is a political govt ooo..I don't belive there is a president in Nigeria, afterall I have not seen him, besides if truly there is a president, then why are people complaining abt bad govt!
I don't believe there is a petroleum minister oooo,, if not why is Petrol and kerosene so expensive??
I don't believe there is a central bank or any bank! If there is? Why are people broke?? Why don't they print out money and share equally to the poor!..
I don't believe there are medical doctors! For where?? If they exist why do people still die?
I don't believe there are markets ooooo, if not why do people complain abt hunger??
I don't believe there is anytin Called the Police! Its a lie oooo,, if trully Police exist Why did the robbers who robbed Crunches eatery in Calabar go scot free without being caught!!
I don't believe that there is a PHCN, if not why are somepeople complaining about Blackout??..if truly there is sometin like electricity, dey should be power everywhere na!!
I don't believe there are women sef, if not why are there still unmarried men?? They should all be married na!
I don't believe that BlackberryZ30,tecno phantom,InfinixGold and iphone1-6 exist..if they truly exist then why are some people still using nokia torch!!
I don't believe there are armed forces in Nigeria, if they exist then why do we have terrorist attacks!!
I don't believe there is nairaland ooooo..If truly nairaland exist den why is my mum not on nairaland!
I don't believe air exist! I mean why should I believe its oxygen? Do I see oxygen?? Abegi joor!!
I don't believe there are good fathers,, plsssss..if truly good fathers exist, den why do I have the worst father in the universe?? Ehh??
I don't even believe the people on nairaland are humans! Afterall I haven't met any before, u all could simply be robots!!
I don't even believe death is real, I haven't seen death, besides why I'm I still alive :p.
I don't believe in anytin in Dis country ooooo,,not even in the existence of Schools!! Mbok if schools truly exist den why do I have ineducated fellows around!!!..#TeamNotinIsReal .

I don't want to believe religion has done this to you.

This kind of open show of ignorance is beyond Religion.

I just hope you're pretty.

quivah:
well I won't say I'm shocked, cause I have seen deeper believers turned..

This is true.. I've figured that it's difficult to be an intellectually honest person and remain a theist... it just wont mix..

however I'm glad it happened.

More like you're glad I'm going to hell... Lol.

I just can't imagine how you feel to be having this discussion but I feel great.

Having this conversation just left me reminiscing...

Days when i loved the Lord.. lol.

There's nothing as blissful as ignorance.. keeps one in sweet bondage.

The freedom that comes with knowledge is staggering.

It is great catching up with you.

I'll check my mail.



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quivah:
oh good old days!!
yeah I remember..

I'm very anxious to know why you dig a post from 2013, mehn all that energy..
are you Samtolly4jesus, my preacher who's now drawing away from religion?

oh sh.it!! oh no no no..
oh no!!!#hugs bro... samtolly4jesus?? oh
wow!! this is wonderful
bro, let's talk on mail..

I can imagine your excitement. I shocked myself too.

I've been following this thread closely for a while, so when I saw your moniker came up here, i remembered you and nostalgia drove me to few years back when I had that conversation with you.

Luckily, i didn't have to dig much before I excavated the post.. i felt its worth it . . .

Mr preacher is now a free thinker.. I'm not even contented with atheism.. it could seduce one into close-mindedness. . .

I couldn't reach you on mail.. it seems to be acting up..

How are you doing?

quivah:
Lol he's a satanist..
I'm referring to atheists. and you Dont have to be 'funny' to be fun, when you are intelligent, able to discern and roll with sarcasm among others.. that's cool.
Those guys are intelligent and makes you wanna come back in here..Not most of you newly converts.
And Lol I'm not talking about otem's convert abeg!! Lol
And you find his sermons unique because of the vouchers,no? that's just what keep bringing people back to his threads..
I only find the threads were he was given ultimatums interesting..

Hello

I guess you were a U.I aspirant then...

If you did remember, let me know.

As it has turned out, i guess I'd be needing my own advice.

Muafrika2:
Is that you in my mail Otem? Strange person just emailed requesting for bread, and Suya

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Muafrika2:
Is that you in my mail Otem? Strange person just emailed requesting for bread, and Suya

Must be Yahweh bro. He's best associated with Mystery.