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In most cases the machine'y underground are packed in grease and packed in containers.
You better pray your end time faery is a thousand years from now.
I don't like your chances, because around the world bigger and better guns are about to rise up.

And if your not hearing then you ain't seeing, government's are clearing out these underground bunkers, did you read that last page, some of these bunkers are like cities.

And it has room to store more of the newer artefacts, underneath you.
Government's have been building supermarkets, housing under ground, for quite a few years now-and as I said they are like cities underneath you.
These can easily hold more than a thousand people in each bunker.
Why?
So lets pray you are right.

KoloOyinbo:
Very interesting and more of a specialised market than you initially indicated (Vintage Harleys). It reminds me of a TV series on one of the satellite channels where a guy in the UK buys old military 'junk' and then his guys clean it up and repair it and all of a sudden you have an extremely valuable commodity! The last episode I watched saw him get an actual German HETZER self propelled gun and restore it to full working order! But if restoration is an issue then where do you do that?

I believe in end times too as I have repeatedly said. This issue is the time scale! And the fact that the prophesy's are so vague that they can be said to be as fulfilled or unfulfilled today as they were a thousand years ago or as they will be in thousands of years from now!

We search the net daily, we buy and sell most vintage-buying and selling-say in the lessor countries-say Naija, Asia, just maybe we find scrap metal, that belongs to a vintage, but its a rare find either way, unless someone has a old classic from the wars.

Our main targets we search for is world war underground bunkers, back in the day the Americans, UK's even in Ireland would bury underground artefacts weapons, 1917 1942 vintage planes, tanks, trucks, parts, even ships are buried, vehicles and Motor cycles and other in remote area's, and when the Governments decide to have their private sales, our sellers are informed.
It's time to buy.
Some of these placers are built like underground cities-but in the other hand, someone somewhere, stumble across these bunkers, that could be worth, millions in stock.
You may wonder if the products underground is worth the risk, you have no Idea what is buried underneath you.

But we don't deal in Imports on your advantage everyday transports, or in the everyday local business, its the everyday man and his dog deals with, Bank loans-each year fighting to keep up with the Joneses, or the smiths who are selling that same old product down the road.
Selling the local transports, or buying imports, is a everyday market-the mega businesses stay alive- while the smaller businesses end up dying- another meaning to this is the rich get richer- and the poor get poorer.
Their cash flow is on the low each year-everyone compete against each other-a dog eat dog game. No money, unless you have the larger imports going your way, even then its a cut throat game.

Everyman and his dog is into the heath and safety game, every business comes under the heath and safety rules, a lot of it is just rubbish another money making game.
Even security pays the lowest wages, desperate people take on these desperate jobs everywhere around the planet.
I worked with security, and really for the dangers we deal with is not worth the small wages.

But if people are listening to you, and it pays-good on you.

I always say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover-Not bad for an uneducated human being.

KoloOyinbo:
Its ISO standards I work with. Usually (but not exclusively) Health & Safety, Environment, Quality, Business Continuity and Information Security.

However you seem to be (from the limited information above) classic NICHE market. I don't know the Market for Vintage and Classic Bikes in Naija (my own last time on a motorbike was over 30 years ago). I presume you are importing for the local market as the transport costs of importing only to export again would be prohibitive.

It would seem to be an issue of sourcing the appropriate machines. Target your market well - it is as I said a NICHE market.

Cant really help much otherwise.

I do know that MANY Nigerians I meet in Ireland have the same business idea! Get EITHER second hand cars or parts for cars and import them to local contacts in Naija. There seems therefore to be a consensus (rightly or wrongly) that there are large profit margins here! Given the cost of transport and duties etc it tells me that either the purchase costs are low or the selling prices high. I am not certain of this though because I am not a specialist in Automotive.

If you are importing then you have my sympathy as the current state of the Naira will make imports proportionally more expensive. (Exporters are benefiting though).

From a general business point of view (and your are probably doing all of these already)

Ensure you have more than one supplier if possible to avoid 'single point of failure issues' and give at least some minimum options on costs. Even if you are very happy with your present supplier it does no harm to keep at least a small relationship with alternative ones. In the event of some Agency deal at least have alternatives researched and some form of contingency plan in place in case of a problem with your supplier.

Target your market in Naija very well. Get a presence on the WEB. NOT the usual shoddy websites but a professionally produced one. Get it into the search engines. These are high value niche market items. There will be buyers who want these - make it easy for them to find and contact you.

Now you say selling around the globe so unless there is a source of these Vintage Bikes in Naija itself you are sourcing from foreign countries and selling also in foreign countries. If this is the case then you must be very well connected in the market. It depends on knowing where to get the products and who need them on an international basis. In that case you need people knowledgeable in the field and ready to work with you around the world. They will tell you what they have or can source and what they need. Your role will be primarily a middle man.

Really I have so little information on your business that all the above could be exactly correct OR totally off base!

Just my initial thoughts on matters and probably much too general to be of help but in the unlikely event of anything being of use then great.

And what of a consultant?
Besides travelling. Audit, it's funny you should say you are a business Audit- because just recently my family business needs to have that change in selling better products around the globe-but because you feel I have such a narrow mind-then I suppose its no good asking you for any advise how you could help my families business, in dealing with Vintage Harley Davidson's.

KoloOyinbo:
I clearly stated I am NON denominational! You refuse to state your denomination (I can understand why).

I don't debate scripture with YOU as a fundamentalist you could add no insight or anything of value beyond your narrow view point.

Because I am Irish you assume (Wrongly again) that I am Catholic thus exposing (yet again) your lack of clear thinking.

Not just sales people travel (sigh - you need to learn more of the world). I am a consultant (my second career) and travel to Consult, Audit and Train.

So your assumptions are all as flawed as your thought processes, conclusions and viewpoint!

You have AGAIN failed to mention the TOPIC so guess you have nothing to say on it as I suspected from the beginning.

You enjoy my company you say? So you enjoy insulting fellow Christians by denying their Christianity. What a Hypocrite!

Thanks for that?
Quote I do discuss the scriptures? Frequently and in depth,{what ever gave you the idea I did not?
Why are you asking me that question? You have answered that question on your own, you don't discuss any scriptures with me?
So how does that prove you are a Christian.

And I can't be a fundamentalist and I can't interpret something that's not there?

Did you say you are not from any denomination?
I have asked you that same question and you refuse to share that same information.

By your manuscripts and coming from Ireland, that small statement shows you follow after religion.

I haven't failed anything, Christians have their freewill to believe what ever timeline they choose? But listen to your own words, why then are you so against me when I have that same freewill to write about end times.

I don't live in your country, matter of fact I live in one of the riches countries there is on this retched planet.

You don't educate my business, you don't educate me either, you talk about lacking education; big noting yourself where you are from does not make you above in education, but more below uneducated.

So you travel "big deal" I have travelled, so your a travelling sales person, get with the program, come into the real world, where most educated sales persons work from home, and still make more monies.

I write back to you, with the same motive you write to me, we both enjoy each company but if you are not happy.

That's ok I will find some other lonely soul on this forum, who's educated? One who wouldn't winch about nothing, like you do.

Amen

KoloOyinbo:
Wow. Wrong on SOOOO many issues.

I do discuss the scriptures! Frequently and in depth whatever gave you the idea I did not?

Just no point in discussing them with you. You are a fundamentalist and thus never listen to any other interpretation beyond your limited view.

It is by faith alone we are saved and you will know where to find this yourself!

I am sure your denomination is one of the more fundamentalist ones or at least you are in the fundamentalist minority of that denomination (sadly most denominations have such). If you are too ashamed of them to state what you are then fine, I am sure they are not overly enamoured of having someone with your narrow minded views as one of them.

I would never be so unchristian as to disbelieve anyone who was also. And Despite your ill mannered provocation and unchristian attitude displayed to me and apparently others here I don't accuse you of that.

You constantly AVOID the issue. WHEN end times are coming IS IRRELEVANT and Christians are free to believe whatever timeline they choose on this. The Bible is deliberately vague on this and so people have been predicting the fulfilment of signs for a long time now and will be doing so for even longer.

Why does believing different from you on this issue make one a woman or a gay?

That is just more of your illogical thinking indicating a lack of education - both secular and spiritual.

I speak in this manner because I am an educated European. I have travelled over much of the world and worked in up to 22 different countries. I live in Ireland but spend a LOT of time in Nigeria training your businesses to improve and compete in the world market. This is my second career.

Now I suspect that you are only here to argue and justify to yourself in your hypocrisy that you think you are a better Christian than anyone who does no swallow all your fundamentalist garbage.

So WHY do you keep posting? The vast majority of Christians do not accept end times are near, or that the Bible prophesies predicting when have been fulfilled yet. All your insults, out of context quotes (which we are all familiar with anyway) and ill mannered attempts at insults will not convince us otherwise.

Non Christians will not be reading this thread anyway so what you are trying to achieve is very unclear - certainly none of the things you mentioned in an earlier post.

For my part I don't need to convince anyone of anything regarding end days. I merely reply to what is clearly some uneducated fundamentalist with insecurity issues trying to prove (probably to himself) what a good Christian he is by pathetic attempts to put down others!

Am I embarrassing myself, to whom? You.

Someone's got to have the glory, "Man" just finding out the truth, about the evilness that comes out from your Church, is a bonus in its self.
I question all religions, and if they don't line up with the word of God, then shame on you, an embarrassment to true Christian faith.

And your telling me I am embarrassing myself, listen to yourself, listen you are mocking yourself and the Church you believe in.
Matthew 7:20 By their fruits you will know them.
Is everyone in your Church always so condemning and abusive? No-wonder, they say your Church have the deepest roots.

Does this sound like the God of heaven?
Is this the Religion you have stood by, "Man" people are already turning away from Churches like these-and "everyone" is accountable, for the lost, "everyone".
Deuteronomy 6:13 you shall worship the Lord your God and him only-Exodus 20:3-4, "You shall have no other God's before Me. "You shall not make yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them. "For I, the Lord your God.

Amen...

SalC:
Stop trying to cover your lies, I have nothing to prove to you, it is you who made a claim you can't substantiate, simply because you type before you think.

Yeah unrepentant liars like you piss me off, but In your case, I like seeing you publicly embarrassing yourself

You got so frustrated on the other thread, that you admitted you are a novice who only do copy and paste. You know nothing about the things you say yet you glory in your ignorance.

Am still waiting for you to provide where I said "no Catholic Church collects tithe" or remain a liar.

Why don't I like Catholic's?
My closes friends and family are Catholic's!

Why don't I like other Christians?

Can't you tell what denomination I'm from?Anybody who speaks well into the bible is a true believer, and in most cases true believers seek the Lord everyday, it don't matter what denomination you are from, what matters is do you obey the word of God, do you believe enough to believe?
Anybody can say they are Christian.

I have no issue with you, and I have no issue with anybody else, and I have nothing in common with you, anybody can call themselves a Christian.
You don't like sharing the word of God, and you don't like hearing it, so how can you say I don't like Christians.
Christians love sharing the word of God, and you don't, so what makes you feel you are a Christian?

Do you believe doing good works around your neighbourhood, makes you a Christian?
Do you believe pushing old ladies over ripping them off makes you a good Christian?
Was Robin hood a good Christian?

What makes you a Christian?
I have asked this Question before You are a female ain't you?
Why I ask is your wording don't match to any male I know, unless you are gay?

KoloOyinbo:
The SAME tired old arguments.

You dont like Catholics!

You don't like other Christians who do not believe EVERY LITTLE irrelevancy that you do!

You are ashamed or afraid to state your own denomination!

Do you think that those who believe in end days but that they are not near yet are not Christian? Apparently you do for that is the ONLY issue you have with me!

You dare to call me not a Christian YOU EVIL PERSON!

You prove me wrong, you go back and Prove your innocents?
Listen I just like quoting you because I know it pisses you off, comparing your unbiblical beliefs with the word of God, this has opened up a door for our viewers to see, how far you Catholic's are willing to push your unbiblical rubbish, against God's people.
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SalC:
When you finish beating about the bush, come back and produce where I told you no Catholic church collect tithe or admit you lied again.

No need for your long meaning posts just to save face.

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And what kind of a Christian do you call yourself?

ANYBODY can say they are Christian?
Without the fear of God-without Christ-the Catholic Church are proud to believe they have the deepest roots, on Ground control.

And tonight's main menu-we have a special called fear is a key to success, Children are taught without the love of Christ-Catholic's teaching their own about the burning purgatory-a frightening moment for God's Children, having sleepless nights, praying to stay awake, so they won't end up in burning purgatory until all their sins have washed away.

Their only escape told by the priest is to pay large amounts of monies-so their sins will be forgiven.

John 10:9, Jesus is the only door into heaven.
Mark 2:1-12 Jesus has the power to forgive sins.

This sounds so much like prosperity pentecostal' the more you pay tithes the more you will to be blessed.

What happens with those who can't afford it, will they burn in purgatory too?

Mark 9:42-'And whoever causes one of these little ones who believes in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hang around his neck, and were thrown into the sea.

Any Catholic's who claim they don't follow after pagan religion, and yet come under the banner of pagan beliefs, are lying not only to themselves but to God.

I have listen to you and your religious beliefs, and it shows clearly anybody who don't follow after your Church, are already condemned.
Jesus is knocking but he can't come in.

Any Church who claim they have the deepest roots, have a twisted sense of humour, in worship kissing the feet of a Mary statue, who the pagan God once called Isis Queen of heaven.

Any Church who claim they have the deepest roots, believe Mary-Mother of God, is their mediator, between God and man.
1 Timothy 2:5, tells us Jesus is the mediator between God and man.

ANYBODY can say they are Christian?

Any Church who claim they have the deepest roots, Call their priest father.
Matthew 23:9 do not call no other man father, only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.

ANYBODY can say they are Christian?

Be a good chappie-is their any lies I have missed, would you correct my mistakes, thank you-we wouldn't want the viewers to know the Church that have the deepest roots follow unbiblical truth.
Amen.
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SalC:
This is what I usually do when you try to bring in unrelated lies to cover your inability to prove what you said.

Again I say to you, bring out the quote where I said to you that "no Catholic Church collects tithe" or admit you lied again.

Honestly with the kind of lies you tell unrepentantly, I wonder what manner of Christian you are, even Christ will have to cry blood for your soul.

If you can't prove yourself in the next post, please just don't post at all, you are embarrassing yourself. I don't want to go back and dig out all the lies you have been telling while claiming to be a better christian.
Smh

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What is wrong with you, who cares about the other guy?

It is no-good me trying to share to you about Christ, as plain as it sounds you aren't interested.

So I do pray you will find time someday and listen to the Lord speaking to you.

I'm sure he has tried time after time sending people in your direction, and time after time you have pushed them all away.
"Why" one may asks? Because hidden away deep down you don't believe.
And I'm not Anti Catholic, if you understood my earlier quotes to the Nairaland Catholic's, then you would understand why I was so strong in words, about the truth.

It doesn't matter when the end is near, but what matters to me, is spreading the word of God out there, sounding the alarm to all my Christian brothers and Sisters, non believing Atheist" have shared with me their own experiences, and now preparing for the worst to come.
Atheist and Christians have witnessed live footage, about the unknown, evidence about the truth behind closed doors.

I have said-what the blind don't see, then the blind don't know, and if they don't know, then the blind can't say.

I'm not hear to convince you about end times, I'm not going to even try to convince you about the bible-you don't listen.
True believing Christians know about these end time events approaching, none mock against the word of God, as the Lord said by their fruits you will know them Matthew 7:20

KoloOyinbo:
Ah. So you are trying to convert someone to Christianity? And insulting my belief helps this somehow?

As for new information, you simply make claims taken out of context that have been made over and over for millennia.

It DOES NOT MATTER WHEN end days come so ones Christianity is not dependent upon this. Be prepared for your own personal END days and stop your vile attacks on your fellow Christians!

I don't know the other guy but it doe appear that you are rabidly anti Catholic (perhaps I'm wrong - just the impression I get from your posts). There are Christian denominations I disagree with (that's why I'm non denominational) but I would never dream of accusing them of being not Christian.

I wonder what denomination YOU are? I do find that those quickest to criticise others here are always the last to 'nail their colours to the mast' and reveal their own denomination!

And yes you have, you made your point pretty clear, about my experience in the Catholic Church, backing up your religious groupies.
Denying the true facts about your so called Catholic Church.

Purgatory teaches that a Christian soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins are forgiven.
And if one pays monies, to a priest they are forgiven.
You know its the truth.
But you denied it.

The Catholic Church Worship statues, Mary, Queen of heaven- Mother of God, who supposedly sits on a throne in heaven making intercession for Christians,you know its the truth.
But you and your groupies denied that too

All Catholic Churches do pass either plates or small baskets to collect monies from the people, "twice" -after reading your Quote it's tithes and offerings, as I had quoted tithes and offerings at the beginning-and you Catholic's denied that too.

You say you hate liars, then get your face out of the mirror, and start speaking the truth, it's a great start to be leaders reaching out to the lost.

Anything you believe the Catholic's can do , Jesus can do it better.

Amen

SalC:
I told you to always be sure of what you are saying before quoting me, I hate blatant liars quoting me. Have I ever discussed the Catholic Church and tithing with you?

Please quote where I said "no Catholic Church collects tithe" or remain a liar like you've always been.

it was even you who said you visited a Catholic Church which doesn't collect tithe but pass plates round for offering.

You need to stop being too forgetful.

What am I trying to achieve-and what do you mean too complicated, do you know every Christian who are either on this forum or else where, are always looking for new information about our Lord, some go for prophesies, others are new Christian starters- it don't matter we learn of each other, that's the best part of being part of the body of Christ. Is Learning...

Writing about the Lord on bible scripture could help save a life from the four corners of the world.

Not everyone understand end time prophesies, and it does frighten a lot of believers.
See I find end times prophesies everywhere I look, it's out there- you don't see it, because your not looking.

And to interpreted prophesy one must compare it with bible scriptures.
And it don't matter if any Christians don't accept my scripts on end time prophesies, they ain't the ones writing against it, only you are.
Well if you want to speak face to face I will see you soon, but if I can't make it soon, I will ask the Lord to send some else, to meet you, face to face.

Amen..

KoloOyinbo:
I don't keep silent I SPEAK face to face with people. The issues are too complicated for writing brief posts.

Now exactly what are you trying to achieve by these repeated posts? You will certainly not convince me that end days are anywhere near. The Christians who read and understand the bible and interpret it in that manner are (fortunately) in a minority. The majority of us realise the interpretations are much to vague to be considered any more fulfilled today than over the last few millennia.

Perhaps you just want to insult other Christians, a sad trait of a tiny group among the fundamentalist fringe?

I feel no need to insult you as you don't represent anything of note. A minority misinterpretation that is irrelevant in any case.

WHEN is not the issue - you seem to think it is. I don't understand why you think it is so important and really don't care.

Perhaps you merely like a scriptural debate? They can be fun and educating - I refer often to my various translations to compare and contrast them. But this is not the place or more importantly the medium. Face to face is better.

So if you continue to post please try and tell us what you are trying to achieve? Are you trying to convince me of a minority misinterpretation OR merely being insulting and unchristian? Which?

For my part I am merely answering you as I have already stated repeated that the majority of Christians do not accept your imminent end days hypothesis and that in any case the timing is clearly not relevant.

Then learn about your fruits on humility.

You and your Catholic groupies tried to correct me numerous of times, so I could believe your lies rather then the truth.
You and your groupies obviously made a deeper error, by denying any truth about the Catholic Churches who do collect tithes?
So you need to test yourself what kind of Christian you believe you are?

It's God's job to Judge the living.

Not yours.

Amen

5minsmadness:
u made an obvious error and u were unwilling to admit it despite being corrected by numerous folk. one of d fruits of being a true christian is HUMILITY.

You are so funny.
That's not to bad spending 3 hours a week with intelligent people? How intelligent? Are they intelligent enough to even know the bible?

It would be good if you could share what your intelligent people have taught you about the bible?
Because I can see you love learning, and to be honest I believe you are learning more on this page, then you do, sitting with these intelligent people for only three hours a week.

So of course the Lord is involved-look already patients have produce, understanding has been a little difficult, when we both claim to be Christians, and It's I who's writing bible scriptures, and its you who keep on asking yourself over and over why would you even waste your time writing bible scriptures to someone like me, have you wondered why you are still listening?

The word of God works miracles. Prise the Lord for ever more.

When two people claim to be Christians its the thing to do write about the Lord.
It's a Christian way to celebrate, we live for Christ.

But if one Christian is writing about the Lord, and the other Christian refuses to write about the Lord, then that person you call an arrogant fool will know by your fruits.
And you accept All denominations who are willing to share the message of Christ?
I have come to you with the word of God, and still you have refused me. I have showing you scriptures and written bible verses, I have made it clear to you, about end times prophesies, I have showing you my words are not my own, but the Lords.

And still you have refused to even mention the word of God.

John 5:43 If someone comes in his own name,you will accept him, I have come in the name of My Father, and you do not receive Me.

So now its up to you if you believe keeping silent is your way claiming you are a Christian, then good luck with your faery.

True Christians share the word of God, and it don't matter who they share it too, as long as the words spread. But for you who keep silent, many won't believe you.


Amen...

KoloOyinbo:
No you are being insulting, stupid, illogical and unchristian!

I am not a Catholic I am non denominational - I think I told you this before but apparently you only hear what suits you.

I would not waste time quoting scripture to one like you. I spend 3 hours per week at Bible study by the way - with intelligent people! At least when at home not in Naija.

Now for your assertion of my not proving I am a Christian! You arrogant fool! I don't need to prove anything to an insulting creature like you! I prove it to God who know well! WHY would I need to prove ANYTHING to someone who reads scripture and misinterprets it as you do?

My fruits are to accept the message of the Bible and welcome ALL denominations as long as they believe in the message of Christ.

YOUR fruits seem to be to misinterpret that message and deny all other Christians who do not accept your twisted and limited minority view of Christianity!

Sigh - You only talk of the irrelevancy of WHEN the end days will come and NEVER address the main issues do you?

I don't actually know the other guy so don't understand your point or what it has to do with the thread.

I had a feeling either you or one of your Catholic groupies may feel a little guilty after denying the truth.
I say honestly, is the best way.
Having such a prefect Church, You claimed that no Catholic Church collects tithes.

After reading this page, you have written Catholic Churches do receive tithes.

So is this showing our viewers Nairaland Catholic's are willing to lie against the truth, not letting our pentecostal prosperity believers know, you tithe as much as they do.

You have said it all.
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Amen.

SalC:
This is no entirely correct. Not all Catholics parishes pay tithe. Till date my parish doesn't pay tithe, but I've also been to parishes where tithe is being paid

And yes the Catholic church officially doesn't preach tithe now, that's why today, you don't hear of tithe being paid in Vatican.



You are very correct. And this is especially happening in Nigerian Catholic churches.


I remember some year back I read an interview the veteran actor Pete Edochie granted to one of these magazines published by seminarian in seminary schools, (either Enugu or Onitsha dioceses) I can't remember precisely.


Prior to then, I've never heard or seen people pay tithe in any Catholic church.

In that interview, Pete Edochie was like encouraging Catholic Churches to start collecting tithe like our pentecostal counterparts instead of depending on "merger collections" to fund the church. I was surprised!

I went to Onitsha the next year (exactly in thesame church were I saw the magazine the previous year) to my surprise, they have started paying tithe!

Though they don't force people or threaten them with the so called devourer whatever, I wasn't happy about the development. Gradually today many priests are towing thesame path.

I still trust my Catholic brethren, they even give five or ten naira for tithe

But seriously this isn't right.

Vatican discontinued tithing and Nigeria is just introducing it. Smh

P'S Quote-I hate it when people assume things because of other peoples say?
No' people can't assume the word of God, and if you are choosing to follow after pagan religion, then you will be rewarded under pagan religion.

Jeromejnr:
So now I can see where your anti-tithing issue comes from.

Abeg, keep your opinions to yourself and stop meddling in things you are are not sure about. I'm sure you don't even attend their services enough to know what goes in around there.

That church has been a blessing to massive amounts of Christians. Carry your own belief and be a blessing to and maybe people will know if your opinions are of God or not.

Oga repent. Cause I've seen things happen to people who talked ill especially about the overseer.

P.S: I hate it when people just assume things because they heard other people say something and they didn't go to experience or find out for themselves if its true or not.

I see your point, your Catholic?
Having a religious person as 5minsmadness turn up on the sense, I now understand to word of God isn't your thing-well good luck with your findings.

I haven't in any case said I will use my own understanding in mind, but the mind of Christ I will put forward 100%.

No one set a time when these end time events will happen, but I'm sure they are coming sooner-you claimed it won't happen for another 100 million years and you claim these prophesies haven't come to past as yet, you also claim today's technology has been around since.

Having different denomination can make a large difference.

When talking to you you don't seem to use bible scriptures, so really it would be impossible for you to even understand what the word of God had said about Matthew Mark and Luke, and Revelation about end time events.

So you don't appreciate me saying your not a Christian?
Matthew 7:20 By their fruits you will know them.

And you haven't proven to say you believe in Christ?

Save yourself and save your own salvation, but don't knock others who don't, but rather reach out>Romans 10:17 "So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Salvation is for all man kind.

Amen..

KoloOyinbo:
I disagreed with your vague misinterpretation of it!

This argument has been going on for over a thousand years! To debate scripture properly would take more space than we have here and more time that I have to spare for you. In any case you already have your mind made up. Fundamentalists never change their point of view and as long as they are doing no harm should be left to their little fantasies. I just don't appreciate you saying I am not a Christian. We disagreed about timing. That does NOT invalidate the Christianity of either party and it is to your shame that you imply so. Different denominations have very different viewpoints on much more crucial issues that this but can still recognise each others Christianity!

That is about the fourth time I have stated this but you keep coming back with - well I dont know what? I am contented about my own personal salvation and this does NOT depend on the fundamentalism of those twisting vague scriptural references.

If that was your point then why didn't you say so?
And still I would have given you a correct answer to it.

The problem is, we as Christians are all watchmen, and in these day's many believers ain't listening to the truth, what religious group you are from does not answer for the rest of the millions in the body of Christ.

Of course save yourself.

Its watchmen who are willing to share the word of God, and to warn the body, about these end time events.
And because the love of Christ who lives in me-my friends and neighbours and strangers, will I always put my hand out, and inform them about the word of God because the love that is me, I will study word and prophesies on the end time event's coming our way at a faster rate.
I will warn them to get ready, repent, and ask the Lord for their forgivenesses.

Maybe because of your religious back ground, we have people like you, who disagree, mocking, trashing, how does anyone get ready without some sort of alarm, don't you know its word that travels to the four corners of the world.
And it's those who are willing to stick their necks out, alarming God's people, to get ready, no-one knows when these things will come to past, but watch.
It's those who are willing to believe and stands up wearing the armour of God against the enemy daily, soldiers willing to be judged by people who claim they know Christ, like you..

KoloOyinbo:
Yes that was my point exactly! And not one I appreciate being called not a Christian for!

Maybe you should listen to your own words more often, weren't you the one judging me with your religious groupies, on the other page.

5minsmadness:
Kolooyinbo & brocab

What say you folks agree to disagree?

When the end time comes is not as important as being ready for it, whether the endtimes means the end of the world or the end of one's life. The important thing is to live your life the way Christ would have wanted it.

Of course God exist, without God people wouldn't exist.

It's down grating when we here this same story about the body of Christ globally' not allowing the word of God, to be spoken out for all the world to hear the voice of the Lord, as it's written in the bible.

It's down grating to see Sin had fulfilled the body, allowing the pastors, preachers and priest, some 30-60-100 fold, twisting, teaching and preaching, not the word of God, but a lie from Satan, given man a new doctrine, wolves in sheep clothing have chosen to rip off God's people in tithes and offerings.

2 Corinthians 11: 13-14, "For such as false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

Sad as it sounds, people prefer to believe this lie on tithing from the pulpit, then to believe the truth from the word of God.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8, "If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of your gates of your land, which the Lord your God is given you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother.
But you shall open your hand wide to him and willingly lend him sufficient for his need, what ever he needs.

God didn't do wrong, God made away, for people like you.

Matthew 25:35-36, "For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, "I was nxxed and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.
One person at a time.

Amen

johnydon22:
We want more hospitals built and not magnificent churches with golden altars

We want good deeds done (lend a helping hand to someone out there) and not clasp them in prayers that solves nothing.
(two hands working achieves more than a thousand clasped in prayers)

We want donations and supplies to the poor, displaced, hunger stricken, famine effected people even in nigeria and east africa and not tithes paid to a pastor on suit with private jets and pot belly.

Satan looks after his own.
Any one who believes in the tithing system don't seem to know the Lord very well.
Jesus warned us about Churches such as yours, and you are practising pagan religion.

sanmibukunmi:
hahahahaha you are th slave here man... you dont see me abusing anyone for of his wealth, i go to church and pay tithes and offering and am happy about it cos am increasing. you dt dont pay any tithe still feel you are cheated... common man who is miserable here me that is giving and happy or you that is not giving but sad and jealous?

And its not un Christian to call someone an unbeliever, by there fruits you will know them.
And your fruit has not proved you are a Christian.

Well you tell me what I had missed in any verses about the end times?

And it don't take pages and pages of study, the Holy Spirit will lead us both if we asked him to debate what Jesus has written in Matthew Mark and Luke.

KoloOyinbo:
Please don't call me NOT a believer.

It is incorrect, rude, insulting and unchristian!

I AM a believer and did not insult you in that manner despite your 'fringe' beliefs!

I don't debate with you because I have found it would take pages and pages and fundamentalists lack the basic understanding to follow any such debate. Also I already explained you cannot debate ISOLATED verses. I guess even that is beyond your limited understanding. Sorry if this seems a bit abusive but you have questioned my Faith and you have no concept of the contempt I fell for any supposed Christian who does that!

It is not about WHAT is coming but WHEN did you miss that throughout ALL the posts! And that will not be for a long time yet!

Thanks for the answer, Its all I needed.

You have been failing the Question since we have started?

You have no clue trying to fill you are intelligent, but not enough intelligence to rebate in bible scripture.

Yes I want you to take verses and debate them, but as always you have found reason to ignore, this Question.
Why because you don't know, your intelligence can only take you so far, but the bible will take you beyond your simple minded means of life.
The bible can frighten people, but if you are a true believer in Christ, which many claim they are, like you who have refused to even mention bible verses to back up any faery you may have, trying to meditate on your own understandings.

And as usual, worldly understanding.
1 John 4:5-6, They are of the world, Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them. V's 6, We are of God. He who knows God hears us: he who is not of God does not hear you. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
And you speak in error.

When I walk through the shadow of death I fear no evil.

I see you have no understanding in Evolution and what terms they use.
Plus you haven't mention what the true religion is.

KoloOyinbo:
Evolution does not say the world is 100 million years old! Physics says it is 4.5 thousand million years old. Please at least get that right.

The so called end time are so VAGUE anything can be said to comply with them and people like you have been claiming that since just after Jesus! As for calling me a time traveller? Is that the best you can come up with when failing to justify your distorted view of Christianity?

You want me to take isolated verses and debate them. If you cant see the message as a whole you wont see it in isolated verses.

Don't worry you are still a Christian just one the fundamentalist fringe.

Well you were a Catholic, and now your an Atheist, one hell to another.
It seems things are changing within the Church.

kevoh:
As a former Catholic now fully grown ATHEIST, those who claim catholics pay tithes are the ones lying. I was born in a staunch catholic home and attended a minor Seminary, never for once did the Rev.Fathers,Bishops,Monsignors,Monks e.t.c I came across teach the false tithe doctrine.
Those Catholics you hear mention tithes are either of these:
1. Those who know nothing about the Catholic Church's doctrine,
2. Those who are Church whores today they are Redeemed,tomorrow they are Living Faith next tomorrow they are back to the Catholic Church with imported doctrines
3. Those who are in the feel among parishes where the Priests who head such parishes have started this false tithe doctrine, seed sowing, first fruits, paying for prayers e.t.c. and will never use their brains to think. They just swallow it all hook, line and sinker.
4. Its 2015, a lot of bullsheet has been going on in Nigerian churches. Nothing new.

The Catholic Church encourages people, mostly Catholic Adults who are capable to do so, to give to its charity based organisations and also help its local church to grow but not under an obligation to be giving a specified percent.

There is nothing in the Catechism, Canon Law or any official Catholic church publication or teaching about 10% a.k.a tithe giving.

You Catholics should go learn more about your doctrines.

No one said its the end of the world. Are you really serious?
Than" this is normal to you, they have always talked about this, for 1000's of years, of course your a time traveller, how stupid can I be?
Did they have this technology, 2000 years ago back in your days?
But it's amazing, all this is written in the bible, some not yet happened, as the Lord had said: when you hear of these things, know that the end is near.
What is proper religion?
You read the bible, miss the message and come up with vague rubbish like this?
In stead of bagging, lets see your answer to Matthew Mark and Luke, end time events.
And why the Lord was warning us, when we hear of these last moments, and why we should watch.
This will be interesting?
Evolution said this world is a hundred million years old.

KoloOyinbo:
Weather patterns and strange rumours of war! Are you actually serious? You read the Bible, miss the message and can only come up with vague rubbish like this? There have ALWAYS been these. No more, no less!

And EVERYTHING you are saying has been said before for nearly two thousand years. Were all those other misguided Christians wrong and the ones today right? Oh! I forgot, that was said too!

I weep for our great religion that it is reduced to this.

As for the "Marshall law, agenda 21, already in the USA and around the globe-they have opened up fema camps, inside are guillotines, gas champers, burners, This is not your advance everyday findings."

Give me a break. Conspiracy theories etc etc. Rejoin the real world and proper religion.

End times indeed! When the Sun goes red giant in several hundred million years from now and the earth is destroyed by fire we can say you are right. Until then I shall simply smile at my fundamentalist brothers who see the words but not the message!

Not me bro, I won't last that 1000 mark-I will be well and truly past.
I suppose if ones not looking, for the end time events, than one won't find.
Its out there, if you know where to look, the prophesies have been coming to past, 2001 9,11, is a good start, you will find that in Revelations 17.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, tells us of the weather patterns, strange weather-rumours of wars, Thess 5, rebuilding the temple, today the Jews are preparing the structure of this same temple-training Levities priest as it was back then-as it was before Jesus died, and rose again.
Its out there bro, if you know where to look.

Marshall law, agenda 21, already in the USA and around the globe-they have opened up fema camps, inside are guillotines, gas champers, burners, This is not your advance everyday findings.

Technology, has come at a faster rate, and you may say when one writes about end time events, you believe one is pushing to draw people towards the Lord, I will do what it takes to be a watchman, even the Atheist are calling the shots and starting to see the changers, this world has to offer. Everyone is being watched.
But hey what the blind don't see, the blind don't know.

KoloOyinbo:
So people who believe the end times are not here yet are nutty! The rest of the world is nutty except for a small group of weird Christians (at least they are still Christians). And the Catholics - the largest Christian group - is even nuttier than me! I seem to be in very good company! lol

I'm afraid I cant except 'the rest of the world is mad except for me' argument. There is a simple reason why the vast majority of Christians don't believe we are anywhere near end times! Simply when we look at the prophesies they just don't seem to be happening yet! They are so vague that almost anything can be twisted to fit them!

Don't worry about argument this one will still be raging just as fiercely thousand of years from now!

"No" but you still pay tithes, and later pay your offerings.
Same as any other Church, who join with those who chose to rip off God's people.

Mrbigman1:
We pay tithes but it's not something they preach in church.

If u wanna pay, u pay at ur own discretion not on persuasion.

Do Catholic's pay tithes, I was told they don't pay tithes, from Nairaland Catholic's, some one is lying.

berepiki:
... Let the truth be told... Thank you my brother...ignorance is killing alot of nairalanders... Principles are principles.. U break them they break u... Biblical principles are good for everybody whether MUSLIMS or CHRISTIANS or Catholics... I believe the Catholics that pay tithe n pray in the name of JESUS are the refined ONES THAT HAVE LIGHT IN THEM... Those Catholics that don't pay tithe n always ask Mary to pray for them are very violent n full of darkness... They will attack me now... They behave like those extremists in Islam...THEY ALMOST BEAT ME UP WEN I WAS PREACHING IN NYSC CAMP... ON THE ISSUE NOW, If u don't pay tithe u are a THIEF... And the devourer will come after u which will also affect the company... If it were me I will employ u but U WILL BE CONVINCED to pay ur tithe... SOULWINNING STRATEGY... EVAGELIST Boma fanx