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The Tithing law was only for the Jews-it was never meant for the Gentiles or the Christians, but hey' if Grandma's giving her Merchandise away in food products, help supporting the homeless and the needy, then Grandma's giving her tithes away as the Old Testament laws said to give.

Tithing is un biblical, not scripture d, giving in a freewill manner, is biblical, and scripture d.

Old Testament tithing went like this>Malachi 3 bring all your tithes into the storehouse That there maybe food in My house, And prove Me now in this." Say's the Lord of hosts.
If I will not open for you the windows of heaven. And pour out for you such blessing.

I'm sure by Grandma's giving she's receiving her blessings, and the Lord sending down that rain.
Isaiah 44:3, "For I will pour water on him who is thirsty, And floods on the dry ground, I will pour My Spirit on your descendants. And My blessing on your offspring:

The more Grandma's giving the more the Lord's supporting Grandma's needs and those around her-Grandma's has plenty to give all year round.

Emusan:
You're the one who think we preach ONLY monetary tithe but when I was with my Grandma in the village back then as a farmer she Tithe with her farm products which is what she does for a living and do other farmers too. Me I'm not a farmer but now that I work as a civil servant the way to tithe is through the reward for my sweat (salary).

Well I really appreciate you people opinion on this.

Regards.

If you are hooked on tithing then do it the way God had told you to tithe-bring your tithes {food} into the storehouse.
Tithing had nothing to do with money, back than, and tithing was a law given to the Jews, not the Gentiles or the Christians

It's only those few who have taken on that role to tithe in a un-biblical manner/ but to be honest, theirs no honour in taken monies from people.

When I am involved in ministry, I have always ask the Lord to supply my needs; I don't ask for monies and I don't receive any either from anybody.

But the Lord supplies me, he opens those doors, and he directs my path where I can go and shop without paying for the merchandise, I end up having more then enough to help support the Homeless, the needy-the Lord supplies my needs and their needs-given them warm blankets and clothing and having food in their bellies-daily.

Ask and it shall be given.

So bring all your tithes into the house of God, bring in your crop, stocks and merchandise, feed the hungry the homeless.

So its up to you?

This is the way God wanted you to tithe.

blunderass01:
Let me at this moment ask you about Malachi you just quoted. You know He said "bring all your tithes into the store house that there may be food for my house, and prove Me now in this". So how do you suggest that tithes be paid. Since God Himself has commanded that bring all your tithes into the store house.

Well thanks for that-but lets look at the two witnesses as two groups of believers-the Olive tree-is Israel-and the wild Olive tree-is the Gentiles-and it was the wild Olive tree grafted into the Olive tree.

oprajo:
no they two persons enoch and elijah. because they will be killed by the antichrist but be resurrected .verse 10 calls them prophets. Zechariah 4: 1-14
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Again do you call yourself a Jew or a Gentile Christian-either of them don't pay tithes.

When you have time to spare, ask the Lord to show you how you can meditate on the word in finding the truth, the truth will set you free.

Have you heard about the story about the two witnesses, in "Revelation" one is the Olive Tree and the other being the Wild Olive Tree, well the story go's like this-The Olive Tree is the Jews in Israel, and the Wild Olive Tree, are the Gentiles, who are now grafted into the Olive Tree as the branches.
The Jews having the old Testament and the Christian having the new Testament both witnesses holds the keys to scripture that leads us to eternal life with Christ.

Even in Israel they don't tithe today-so those Gentiles who are grafted in as branches-don't tithe today.
And you would think we would be working together as one team, ONE BODY-ONE LORD-ONE SALVATION, AND ONE OLIVE TREE.

But It's seems only those branches who are broken off, are working against Jew and Gentile.

jdilight:
Let me ask you. When Jacob vow to give God a tenth of all if he return him back who, was that for food alone?

You did say we read different bibles-I read the KJV, which bible do you read, that don't read the sacrificing tithing and offerings went together in the old testament, so if you are choosing to tithe at least do it right the way God said to do it?
Don't separate tithing or offerings from sacrificing, those 3 came together every year-do it the way God said to do it.
And the JW''s bible don't follow after the truth.
So are you a JW?

shyna01:
who told you I'm a JW?........

Firstly we all know this story about Abram paid a tithe to the Kings as it was a custom to do so back then, "once" and he gave all from the spoils of war that didn't belong to him, So it was more then Just a percentage.
Secondly Abram didn't become rich because he tithed.

Later God made the tithing sacrificing and offerings into a law, so the Levities and the hungry can be fed yearly-that was a lot of crops stocks and mechanise brought into the temple storehouses.

Those days tithing was never paid with money, and if God wanted people to tithe with cash, I am sure he would have written it.
He didn't, because he knew money can buy anything-even back in those old Testament day's people would be using the cash flow for other reasons like they do today, WHILE THE HUNGRY STAY HUNGRY.

But as you see God had seen the bigger picture-Malachi 3 Bring all your tithes into the storehouse that there maybe food in my house.
Bringing in food products into the temple, made a lot of sense back then, like it would make a lot of sense if we were to tithe today, EVEN IN AFRICA, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

Everyone who reads and understands the bible knows-God gave the tithing laws only to the Jews back then.
It was the temple customs to pay tithes in food-and taxes were paid with money, like it is with taxes today.

Matthew 17:24-27, Those who receives the taxes said to Peter "Does not your teacher pay the temple tax? Peter said Yes" After he came into the house Jesus asked Peter SIMON? From whom do the Kings of the earth take Customs or taxes from their own sons or from strangers-Peter answered and said: from strangers, Jesus then said THEN the sons are free.

Are you a JEW or a GENTILE, are you a JEW or a CHRISTIAN, are you the OLIVE TREE which is the Jews in Israel, or are you called the WILD OLIVE TREE which are Gentiles, have you been grafted into the OLIVE TREE-even in ISRAEL they don't pay TITHES today.

After Jesus changing that old covenant God made with His people-into a new covenant-everyone knows God gave all His Authority over to His Son Jesus Christ.
And everyone knows, Jesus is the door way to heaven and to His Father.

Acts 3:6 Peter said silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
We don't hear any of this in our Mega Churches today, all I hear is give me your money, and God will pour out his blessings upon you.
As I had mentioned before even today in Israel they no-longer pay tithes. It is only the westerners who have taking on this un biblical tithing racket.
If you are going to take on the tithing laws at least do it right-do it the way God said to do it.

jdilight:
The tithe Abraham gave to Melchizedek was it of food alone?

You being a JW I suppose we are reading different bibles?

shyna01:
which bible you read?

It can buy food-but tithing was never used for the Church to collect money, and if you are strong in obeying the laws on tithing at least you should obey the laws God gave to the Jews. Malcahi 3 bring all your tithes into the store house-so next time you pay your tithes give to your storehouse a can of soup at least, someone could have a full belly today..

jdilight:
Where do all the tithe translate to food. And can't money be used to buy food? And can't food be converted to money?

What is wrong with you, if I'm a Christian-This is the law on tithing-It's food-not cash..

jdilight:
You just added food to your scripture. If your a Christian, you should know the consequence

How hard is it for you to understand this scripture Malcahi 3 bring all your tithes into the storehouse so my people will be fed.
The bible tithing was used to feed the Levities and the hungry.
In the old Testament it was never changed.
But the new testament Jesus had other idea's from tithing to freewill giving..
IT WASN'T GOD WHO CHANGED TITHING FROM FOOD TO CASH, THIS IS YOUR IDEA?

jdilight:
Please explain the Bible way of tithing

As I say as long as you are obeying God's laws in tithing, we have no argument bring all your food tithes into the storehouse so my people will be fed

Emusan:
What I see as the major point in you people’s post is the emphasis on verse 11, 12 & 18.
@Koolking says I should read from verse 11-18 and @Pastorkun says I should start from verse 5 so that I can understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage but I will like us to start from verse 1 so that we can both understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage. In fact I so much love how @koolking interpreted that verse 11 as quoted “begins to draw a contrast between levitical priesthood being imperfect and the need for another priesthood in the pattern or order of Melchizedek and no longer after the order of Aaron.” BUT I disagree with your concluded part “This means that, TITHING which was one of the LAWS governing levitical priesthood was also change.” The reason why I disagree with it is that, TITHING predated the LAW and the laws was ONLY a regulation on who have right to collect TITHE which was later placed at Levi TRIBE.

Now back to the analysis of Hebrew 7:1-18
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Verse 1-3, was about the attributes of Melchizedek and the blessing he placed upon Abraham before Abraham paid Tithe of all to him: “This Melchizedek was king of the city of Salem and also a priest of God Most High. When Abraham was returning home after winning a great battle against the kings, Melchizedek met him and blessed him. Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means “king of justice,” and king of Salem means “king of peace.” There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God.”

Verse 4, emphasized on how the great Abraham could RECOGNISE the greatness of Melchizedek the unknown priest: “Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle.”

Verse 5, is about how the priesthood was placed in the tribe of Levi who are the descendant of Abraham to collect Tithe NOT that Tithe was established through them: “Now the law of Moses required that the priests, who are descendants of Levi, must collect a tithe from the rest of the people of Israel, who are also descendants of Abraham.”

Verse 6, emphasized on how Melchizedek who had not his ORIGIN in Abraham or his linage could collect TITHE from Abraham himself whom even the linage of PRIESTS who collected tithe was placed: ”But Melchizedek, who was not a descendant of Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham. And Melchizedek placed a blessing upon Abraham, the one who had already received the promises of God.”

Verse 7 -8, point out that, Melchizedek has POWER to bless as he blessed Abraham which means he is far greater than Abraham, and most importantly the Levitical priest are just human as they die and another priest is being raised to continue in collection of TITHE but Melchizedek LIVES forever which means his own collection of tithe continues: “And without question, the person who has the power to give a blessing is greater than the one who is blessed. The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.”

Verse 9-10, these verses made it clear that even the CHOSEN Levite priests who collected tithe ALSO paying tithe indirectly to Melchizedek as a result of what Abraham did: “In addition, we might even say that these Levites—the ones who collect the tithe—paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him. For although Levi wasn’t born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham’s body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him.”

Verse 11, though this verse needs an in-depth attention because without that, verse 12 couldn’t be understood. The main point here is that, the LAWS which is to govern who can collect Tithe, how Tithe should be collected and what to Tithe was based on the PRIESTHOOD of LEVI this is more evident since TITHING predated the govern laws and not that TITHING was established the very day the law was given: “So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?” So here a new priesthood needs to be established in the ORDER of Melchizedek who LIVES forever.

Verse 12, with what we understood from verse 11 above on how the LAW was BASED on the PRIESTHOOD, so since the priesthood must be change; that is, changing from mortal men priests to immortal man priest, the law THAT BASED this PRIESTHOOD on LEVI TRIBE MUST also changes because this new immortal man priest won’t come from the tribe of Levi: [color=brown]“And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.” This is more reinforced in verse 13.

Verse 13-14, since the law had placed PRIESTHOOD on Levi tribe and the new PRIEST who never comes from this tribe MUST replaced the mortal men priests then the law who established the Levitical PRIESTHOOD must also change: “For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests. What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.”

Verse 15, now that a new priest had arrived in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
1) The mortal Levitcal priests always chosen according to the law has been dissolved which means we’re no longer having a priest chosen in the law.

2) And since the new immortal priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek who collected Tithe and lives forever has appeared then TITHING continues: “This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared.”

Verse 16, shows that Jesus as a new priest wasn’t qualified to be the priest if we should follow the requirement of the law as He did not come from Levi tribe: “Jesus became a priest, not by meeting the physical requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed.”

Verse 17, And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”

Verse 18, this is the crucial part. It was the REQUIREMENT of chosen the PRIESTHOOD that was set aside/disannulled not TITHING itself. “Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.” This requirement must set aside since the NEW priest isn’t going to come from Levi TRIBE.

(Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING but according to this verse it is only “the requirement of chosen priest that disannulled” which is the main point the writer wants to bring out by considering the preceding verse 16.)

If you’re not being paying TITHE consider these:
1) The mortal men priests have been change to an immortal man priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
2) One of the rites performed by Melchizedek is that he collected TITHE from Abraham even when the Levitical priesthood has not been set up.
3) So TITHING never cancelled according to this chapter rather there's an immortal priest who had replaced the mortal men priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.

No-ones against you as long as you are obeying God's laws, bring all your food tithes into the storehouse so my people will be fed.
If you are obeying God's laws-then theirs no arguments here.

kpakpandoN:
There are believers who know God, and there are those who claim to know God. Those who are friends of God will go all the way to do as He commands, no matter the sacrifice and pain required. In Genesis 5:22-24, it was repeated twice that Enoch walked with God. He walked with God to the point of no return. The friendship was so tight that God had to tell him, “There is no point remaining on earth again; let us continue our friendship in heaven!” God and Enoch were lovebirds. A young boy in a Sunday School class gave an interesting perspective of this friendship. This boy said, whenever God visited Enoch and He was about to leave, Enoch will escort God, and when it was time for Enoch to return home, God would do the same. Eventually, one day, after several repetitions of this exercise, Enoch escorted God so close to Heaven that God told him to walk with Him into Heaven. As childish as this may sound, there are lots of lessons and revelations in what this boy said. The desire to maintain intimate friendship with man has been there with God from the very beginning of creation. God is looking for people to bless; people who will do His will and enjoy His benefits. To partner with the Almighty God, you must dislodge certain traits in your life. All those things that are capable of limiting the closeness of your relationship with your Maker must be taken care of.
 
Do you want to enjoy the kind of relationship that existed between God and Abraham? Do you want to be a friend of God? Then it is time to sit up. It is time to get serious with your salvation. You can’t be a friend of God when you are still tolerating some nonsense in your life, because God cannot behold iniquity. After 24 years of lack of seriousness, God warned Abraham to sit up. No more Lot. No more hanging around with Hagar. There is no one who partners with God and remains the same. They become role models. If you desire a meaningful relationship with God, you can no longer be fooling around with that strange woman. You can no longer be courting that wrong relationship. You cannot afford to continue going where unbelievers meet to entice one another to sin (Psalm 1:1). No more lukewarmness and spiritual slothfulness (Revelation 3:15-16). No more disloyalty or lack of commitment. You must be ready to go all the way. If your love for Him will count at all, it must put a demand on your heart, might and strength. No more helping yourself with church resources kept in your trust. No more seduction of young girls. No more jealousy or envying your colleagues. No more hatred for others. No more cheating of God in the payment of your tithes and offerings. No more using substandard materials when you have been mobilised to buy the best. No more pulling others down simply because you want to climb up.

In Revelation 11- the lord talks about the two witnesses, coming just before the Lord.
Some say its Moses and Elijah-others say its Enoch and Elijah-and others say it's Elijah and John the baptist, under the same anointing.
I believe the Lords talking about these two witnesses not as two people but two tribes of people the Jews as the Olive tree and the branches grafted in as the gentiles.
Am I right?

Is it because Christian who don't understand the word of God, they are tried of hearing the truth-seeking the kingdom of god.
And prosperity in financial Gain is there only sauce of income to pay the bills.

Amen

Lizabeth25:
WATCH and PRAY should be the key word. Because, the worst thing that can happen to any MAN is to suffer here on earth and go suffer the rest in HELL. Lord, may we never fall into the plans and traps of the devil.


Amen

Ok then. Its done

KoloOyinbo:
AH! I have been promoted!

Well I suppose everyone is entitled to their fantasies!

Ok I reject you Satan

KoloOyinbo:
You speak of love and lie about people with false and sinful accusations??

Reject Satan you fool!

You are on drugs, it's over..

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These words aren't coming from an educated person.
Matter of fact-a child at 5 years could speak better words than these.

The first principles about being a Christian is love your God and love your neighbour as yourself.
By your Quotes, you must find it difficult to share your love, either towards God-or your neighbour.

I live in the village next door to you in Lagos and I am your neighbour.
You don't really any education-but more a dreamer, a lonely fellow-one that everybody picks on, given you a hard time, because you carry so much head weight, and its showing.

I am that fellow who stands up for you, praying to God that you will make it through your day, every day.

Come to the Lord and be saved..

KoloOyinbo:
So you STILL cannot explain MATTHEW 24:36 LOL

You STILL spout your 'dreams' and fantasies.

You still sin against your fellow Christians.

And all this without one unambiguous sign of end days!

All this with mixed of lies of jetting around the world buying up obsolete military equipment in non existent Illuminati bunkers!

Well I suppose you will remain happy as long as your village has YOUTUBE!

Non tither's are not against tithing-we are against you who tithe out of scripture, today's tithing is un-biblical.
If you chose to tithe at least do it the way the bible tells you to tithe, the law on tithing was given to the Jews.

Malcahi 3 bring all your tithes into the storehouse that there maybe food in my house.

jdilight:
There is a religious movement that believe that tithing is an old law that should be made away with the entrance of the new law of Christ. I will like to use this medium to bring to light a few things about tithe.

The law which we know came through Moses according to the word of God. This law many believe was made away with the entrance of Christ. But Jesus himself who understand the unchangeability of God declared, "I did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it", "whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". The spirit of God inspired the writer of Numbers to write, "God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

THE ORIGIN OF TITHE

I want to let us know that before the law came into being, tithe has already being. Genesis 14:18 and 20, "Then Melchizedek King of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High". "And blessed be God Most High who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him a tithe of all.

Before the law came into being Abraham has given tithe. The question is, "how did Abraham came to know about tithe before it came into being?" God had called Abraham out from his land in order to use him as a means of bringing the savior into the world. To keep Abraham on track, God needed to bless Abraham. God made it clear to Abraham that he was going to bless him. This blessing was not going to come the way the people arround Abraham were getting theirs. It was going to come through spiritual principles. The last principle of the wealth God promised Abraham was Tithing.

Abraham without prior knowledge of tithe, gave tithe. Abraham was the first person that gave tithe.

I have said this many times before and what you aren't understanding in Matthew 24:36- it's written in black and white-but the rest of the chapter talks about what we need to look out for, and why we need to get ready.

No-one knows the hour or the time when the Lord comes, the Lords saying don't fall asleep, but stay awake and watch.
This can happen any time.
You may say these events aren't close to the end times scriptures, well I say they are.
I have seen in the flesh and in Spirit about what is coming, and I believed

I have had dreams about end time events, I have witnessed and listened to the voice of the Lord, and I believed.
I have heard the Lord speak to me through bible scriptures-and I believed.

But what I don't believe in, is people who calls themselves Christians, either in bible prophecies, one who blaspheme's by continuing mocking God's people, who are willing to step out and spread the word of God through out the world using technology so millions may see.


And I don't believe in Christians who don't encourage other believers in word, and in truth....

By your fruit, you are this Christian, it's you I don't believe...

KoloOyinbo:
We have seen NOTHING untoward in our time.

The only two verses I have quoted have been because they are the only two relevant!

One tells that there are many opinions acceptable. The other that NO MAN knows WHEN - not even YOU! (Which you still DONT ADDRESS).

I learn nothing from you. I am sorry you send emails around the globe you must have discouraged many from Christianity with your poor example!

I don't care what you do as long as you are obeying the law God gave the Jews, bring all your tithes into the storehouse, that there maybe food in my house.
But of course maybe that's to much for me to ask-you may prefer to follow after your own tithing un biblical scripture-bring all your tithes into the storehouse, that there maybe monies in my house.

chmod777:
pls mind your own calling to fullfill it.tithe and first fruit predate the law. Study your bible and quit being a judge over God's elect. Remebrr miriam .

But it is topical for a person like yourself taking all the credit after someone done all the hard yards in studying, I believe you are actually learning of me.
Really I don't mind-I have been knowing for that sort of teachings with others, either on forums like these, or emails I have sent around the globe.
People ON THIS FORUM already know by your Quoting you have only shared two verse, and still you haven't match them up finishing what those verses mean, but instead I have put up with your lying tongue-you claimed you wouldn't share any scriptures with me, let alone you telling ME to study any Chapters along side with those bible scriptures, you had shared.

What signs are you waiting for that go beyond what we have already seen in our time?
You must know since you have search the scriptures.

KoloOyinbo:
Signs that go beyond what we have been seeing for the last few thousand years OBVIOUSLY! Funny you NOW talk about reading the whole chapter! That was what I was telling you from my early posts when you kept quoting verses IN ISOLATION!

I again see your lack of repentance and sinful arrogance! That is your fruits!

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KoloOyinbo:
Signs that go beyond what we have been seeing for the last few thousand years OBVIOUSLY! Funny you NOW talk about reading the whole chapter! That was what I was telling you from my early posts when you kept quoting verses IN ISOLATION!

I again see your lack of repentance and sinful arrogance! That is your fruits!

I was just reading your script again-Quote despite EVERYTHING I have called you many things {all true} but NEVER said you were never a Christian, In fact NO TRUE CHRISTIAN would deliberately say such a sinful thing?

You have rubbish me calling me ABUSIVE names.
So you think its all right for you to sin using abusive language towards me, and it's not all right for me to call you a non Christian?

Strangely Hypercritical.

Jesus said: cast the first stone those who don't sin.

KoloOyinbo:
You started by the abuse by your vile lie accusing me of not being Christian. You repeated it often, then apologised, the repeated it again proving your insincerity and lack of repentance! Despite EVERYTHING I have called you many things (all true) but NEVER said you were not a Christian. In fact NO TRUE CHRISTIAN would deliberately say such a vile and sinful thing!

What Matthew 24:36 means is that there will be an end one day but NO MAN will ever be sure when it is. There will be signs but if they were clear then we would know and that would contradict 24:36! They are unclear and so it is left to the individual. A minority of Christians believe these end times are close (a tiny minority within that group even believe with the present lifetimes) but the VAST MAJORITY believe they are far off.

You have very little understanding about Matthew 24:36-read the hole chapter? And search the scriptures to back it up.
The Lord has signs already showing-

So tell me what signs are you waiting to see, before you believe?

You don't know the scriptures about we have the rights to judge by ones fruits-don't you know the scriptures where the Lord warns us about men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth-and wolves in sheep clothing-and if any person who says they are a Christian and don't back up their words to prove that faery to me, I have the rights to judge.
And still I have only seen bad fruit from you. And as far I'm concerned if one don't practice what they preach. they aren't Christian.

KoloOyinbo:
You started by the abuse by your vile lie accusing me of not being Christian. You repeated it often, then apologised, the repeated it again proving your insincerity and lack of repentance! Despite EVERYTHING I have called you many things (all true) but NEVER said you were not a Christian. In fact NO TRUE CHRISTIAN would deliberately say such a vile and sinful thing!

What Matthew 24:36 means is that there will be an end one day but NO MAN will ever be sure when it is. There will be signs but if they were clear then we would know and that would contradict 24:36! They are unclear and so it is left to the individual. A minority of Christians believe these end times are close (a tiny minority within that group even believe with the present lifetimes) but the VAST MAJORITY believe they are far off.

To be honest-I had separated myself from the Churches long ago, I don't believe in some of the teachings the Churches preach today.
I fellowship with Christians around the world, they too, don't believe on this new teaching the Churches teach.

When it comes to scriptures, the day I was born to this day I have studied the word of God, with the support of others-we usually ring each other long distant just to share the word of God.

All pentecostal, who became born again Christians-all strong believers-that would stand fern-strong in the word and the love of Christ.

We have studied different religions, and found only one that stands in truth.

I don't know how you understand any of the scriptures of Matthew 24:36? I see way beyond that one verse-I read that hole chapter, to understand what the Lord is saying.
Like in John 14:2 In my Fathers house there are many mansions.
And how do we get to these many mansions- reading by Matthew 6:33, first seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you..
Anybody who wants to enter the kingdom of God and have those mansions must work out his own salvation-walk that narrow road, and believe by faith.
So when I look at scriptures, I see many others that back them up, from them it forms a picture, and that picture forms a life.

You say I don't know the word of God-you need to back up your faery and prove me wrong, I have written scripture after scriptures and it's you who don't understand those scriptures.
And the only words I have receive from you are abusive distance name calling-which shows you are either a fool, without a simple bit of knowledge or you are just a big mouth, who knows little knowledge.

So you believe you know the scriptures better then me, well than prove your faery and explain how you see these verses in detail

Non denominational groups such as Tomorrows world, great teaching-but little knowledge.

Non denominational Churches go by different names and hold to a wide variety of beliefs.
Presbyterian's, independents English parliament-Westminster Assembly, Catholic Church,pentecostal, baptist, Muslims, etc...

When I walk through the shadow of death I fear no evil-and believe ONE God ONE Lord and ONE Salvation.

KoloOyinbo:
Well you certainly don't know them better. Nor do you know much about being non denominational nor indeed about the passages that you quoted!

We do believe in ONE of everything you quoted (body, spirit etc) and so ARE one body - depite efforts of people like you who shamefully accuse others of non being Christian. But on the detail where matters are not specific (total immersion or symbolic sprinkling, pre-millennialism or a-millennialism etc) there are differences.

That is why I quoted to John 14:2 to you but you don't understand it any better than what you quoted about!

So you cant educate anyone unless you understand what you are talking about. To do that you need to UNDERSTAND the scriptures which clearly you do not! You need to join a proper Bible study class. Many know scripture better than me - YOU are NOT one of them!

OR PERHAPS YOU ARE SAVING THAT ONLY THE MEMBERS OF YOUR CHURCH ARE CHRISTIANS AND NO OTHERS ARE?

The born again quote is true but not relevant to our discussion.

So perhaps you need to be more Christian yourself. Accept that not everyone has your limited view of Christianity!

And perhaps ONE day you will even understand MATTHEW 2:36 which you still cannot answer!

Its my turn to educated you about your non denominational church.
Non denominational churches are a mixer of believers, and all carry their own different beliefs, in Christianity.

Paul said:Ephesians 4:4-6, "There is ONE body and ONE Spirit, just as you were called in ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism; ONE God and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL.

Now in John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is Born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

So you can think what you like-Mr educated man, you are above while everyone else is below.
No-one knows scriptures more then you?

KoloOyinbo:
Now you have lost your sanity completely!

You don't even understand non denominational and yet you claim to know about Christianity!

That shows you level of ignorance! Perhaps with some education you might aspire to be the village idiot!

You still seem to think that only people who believe end days are coming now are Christians!! again.

I have quoted two verses to you and you don't even seem to understand them!

You STILL do not answer the main one because you cannot! Not much point in me quoting anything more to you if you cannot even understand two VERY SIMPLE verses. The more complex ones are obviously beyond you.

Rather than appreciate the Scriptures better you would rather insult those who differ from and sin by accusing them of not being Christian!

I don't need to know more about you than you have revealed by your ignorance of the meaning of the scripture, inability to understand what people say to you or to understand other points of view. Nor would any Christian want to know more about you.

Your dreams are demonic inspired OR (more probably in fact almost certainly) you are just lying again you hypocritical nobody!

It is good that you have been exposed for what you so you can no long drive people away from the Lord!

By the way, just to educate you - non denominational people attend many Churches from Presbyterian to Pentecostal as they see fit! So they don't belong to any denomination. Thought you could have worked that out for yourself.

Even Satan believes in the scriptures and he also is a non denominational-and it is quite common-in a cult.
Did you just discovered another scripture in the bible so you felt you had to write it down, gee John 14:2?
Now you can read two verses.
So you think because you know two scriptures in the bible, you can teach education in Naija because you believe African's are dumb like me.

You call yourself a Christian and you rubbish even the poorest Africans some of them miss out and a dumb like me.
These are the one's you need to look out for-but it seems with the kind of abuse and the rubbish you speak-you are just out there looking out for yourself.
You show no love towards others either on this forum or else where, I'm sure if any from Naija reads this, if any do know you in person you deserves everything they give you.

Dumb as you are-and dumb you will stay, I will say this again-you tube and other resources, are use as tools to spread the gospel-of bible prophesy across our nations.

Matthew 24:14, And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end is near.
Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must be preached to all the nations.

So technology is use to spread the word of God at a faster paste around the world.
And of cause you being still trapped in the stone age era-and your denominational live like cavemen-Question have you discovered the wheel yet.
So without you declaring your non denominational Church to the world-then your Church comes under the banner as the secret society cult.

And any dumb dumb can work that out-even in NAIJA as you claim.

Question where do you think I live and what country do I come from?

KoloOyinbo:
Are you CAPABLE of reading or understanding anything or do you just always twist other peoples words the way you twist the scriptures?

I will try and make it simple for you.
I (like MANY Christians) am non denominational, it quite common! To back it up I quote John 14:2. Did you even read it? I never quoted it in support of Matthew 24:36 so where do you get that from?

I do believe in the scriptures and have told you that many times. I just don't believe in YOUR stupid interpretation! Can you see the difference of are you a total retard. I know the education system in Naija is very good in place but some of you guys miss out and are dumb like you.

Scripture comes from the Bible not youtube.

My Christian Fellowship contains many denominations with a common love of Christianity and belief in it. We have different interpretations of many things but all agree that the TIMING of end days is irrelevant as you must be prepared always. You own death will come be sure of that. It end has amillenialists and pre millenialists. It has those who believe in total immersion for Baptism and those that believe in symbolic sprinkling. BOTH are Christian points of view. It even has someone who believes end times are near and others that believe they are far in the future.

Now is that clear for a fool like you who believes he knows something known ONLY to the Father and who STILL has not answered MATTHEW (because you CANNOT)!

You either can't read to well, or you just prefer to twist words around-just to suit yourself.
You are the one who declares you aren't from any denomination-you expect people to believe in you, but you don't have anywhere listed to say you are a Christian.
I have written down the Lords salvation prayer-and you rejected that?
I have written down bible scriptures, and I have shared with you documentaries from You tube, and from other resources, and again you had rejected that.

You don't produce any evidence, where you fellowship or what group you are learning from.
You only seem to know only one scripture-and again you don't have any other scriptures to back it up.

So you are either full of yourself, which is more likely you are.
Or you do belong to some secret society cult, and already your Messiah had already arrived.
Dead man walking, a non-spiritual person.
That's maybe why you don't believe in any of the other scriptures the Lord had given us to know.

The bible isn't about head knowledge-and John 14:2 still don't back up Matthew 24-36..
Try again?

KoloOyinbo:
So only your Church is Christian and all the other denominations are wrong. What a fool you are!

The basic tenets are fully agreed on but there are MANY issues (such as the timing of 'end days' which we are clearly told ONLY the Father knows) on which many Churches differ.

See John 14:2 "In my Fathers house are many mansions"

You clearly know very little about Christianity or scripture. Have you ever actually read the Bible or just accepted what one of your many fake pastors (so prevalent in the developing world) tells you!

As the lord say's many are called but few are chosen.
I can't accept there are many different opinions within Christianity-you are either a true believer, or you are nothing in the Lord-I will spread the good news around, I will share me dreams and I will tell people the Lord is coming.

You can call it what you like-plus its impossible to join your religious group when you yourself don't even know the name of your religious demonstration you are learning from

KoloOyinbo:
Oh back to non existent Illuminati are you? (Madman)

You need to accept that there are many opinions within Christianity and while it is acceptable to believe end days are imminent it is also acceptable to believe they are distant!

BOTH WALK WITH LORD YOU FOOL! You should join them and ignore demonic dreams!

Its up to you to believe it all not, its your walk with the lord.

I suppose you would vote" New world order?

KoloOyinbo:
And it will when the last days come! As none of this has happened yet we can only presume they are nowhere near unless we are dreaming or watching youtube!

You need to accept that there are many opinions within Christianity and while it is acceptable to believe end days are imminent it is also acceptable to believe they are distant!