Aemmyjah:


We are discussing God's view on gambling
You say it has made some rich and should not ignore the rest
What about prostitution?
What about selling drugs?
What about corruption?
Should we neglect that it has made many rich
Your analogy is wrong sir

God did not tell you gambling is a sin. Na una dey postulate am so.
He's just pointed the probable adverse effects of gambling because it's human nature to want more. Not many can survive it.

1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:

So.. when God told you in Proverb 22:7 that; "The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is servant to the lender"

Does that mean you shouldn't borrow? Haba na
You're only being told of the probable adverse effects should you borrow.

Prostitution is a sin
Corruption is stealing; sin
Selling drugs (depending on who's selling)
The bible clearly states these.

Aemmyjah:


Risk management and evaluation is part of business. Trading is part of business too
The one the OP mentioned is different and has nothing to do with all that
It's about sports betting and the others

Sports betting is a business as well.

However, he mentioned Forex. Clearly, he's not well read and obviously myopic in citing examples just to buttress his invalid point.

We all know sports betting does more harm than good.
Would you then neglect the fact that it has made a few individuals?

The chances are slim with sports betting, that's why I'd never advise anyone on it. I've had my fair share of it, so does many and they'd attest to it.

elnegrodeafriqu:


Go on, show your arse more.

Yours is all over the thread. Clean it up

elnegrodeafriqu:


Tell me you don't have any knowledge of what is being discussed without telling me you don't have any knowledge of what is being discussed.

Typical response for ignorance.
Go for knowledge
Worst form of deceit is self deceit.

elnegrodeafriqu:


What has exchange of currency got to do with the stock market? I should presume you can read? Now, go over what I posted and tell me how it remotely relates to whatever you just replied to now.

When you can articulate of country as a company and thier currency as thier stock, then come back to me.

Aemmyjah:


Hahahahahah
See this one
I quote from the Bible and it has nothing to do with the GB
So you want to tell us that apart from Jehovahs witnesses, all other churches now approve of gambling? Omg... Nothing can surprise me

Why not visit Google and type 'God's view of gambling'
There are several sites and articles that talks about it and come back to tell us whether it is a doctrinal thing or not
I have non witness friends that preach against it. Gambling is fuelled by greed. I'm sorry to tell you this cos it is a truth you don't want to hear

How can you not take risks as a businessman?
That's gambling
There are however risk evaluation and management departments in business enterprises.

Unrealistic gambling is what kills.. the likes of sports bookmarkers, casinos... The risk management isn't feasible as the likes of trading stocks, forex, CFDs, etc. The later however can turn to gambling when there's no risk evaluation and management.

elnegrodeafriqu:


Oh! It's a biz. Do you know how the stock market works? For your info, it's basically gambling. Now I admit, to many Christians, "what I don't like, and that I don't do, and that I don't understand must be a sin", then they look for some nebulous scriptures to justify such. Exactly what is being done here.
The op states that gambling is a sin because it is a profit from other's losses. A company's stock is dependent on the company's growth, which is based on its market share, which is usually based on killing or stealing from the market of competing companies, which leads to losses by some other institutions/individuals. Got the picture?

Have you been out of Nigeria? When you switch your naira to USD or any other currency, that'll depend on the exchange rate for that time (mins, hours, days as the case maybe) if the equivalent amount exchanged is higher than the original amount exchanged, would you say you've stolen?

Jokanem:
Is Gambling a Sin?

Although the Bible does not discuss gambling in detail, we can discern from Bible principles that God views gambling as a sin.​—Ephesians 5:​17. a

Gambling is driven by greed, which God hates. (1 Corinthians 6:​9, 10; Ephesians 5:​3, 5)

Gamblers hope to gain money through the losses of others, but the Bible condemns coveting other people’s possessions.​—Exodus 20:17; Romans 7:7; 13:​9, 10.

Gambling, even for small amounts, can arouse a destructive love of money.​—1 Timothy 6:​9, 10.

Gamblers often rely on superstitions or luck. However, God views such beliefs as a form of idolatry, which is incompatible with his worship.​—Isaiah 65:11.

Rather than promote a desire to get something for nothing, the Bible encourages hard work. (Ecclesiastes 2:​24; Ephesians 4:​28) Those who follow the Bible’s advice can “eat food they themselves earn.”​—2 Thessalonians 3:​10, 12.

Gambling can arouse an unhealthy competitive spirit, which is disapproved in the Bible.​—Galatians 5:​26.

Op, the bible does not explicitly say gambling is a sin or that it's immoral.

However, from experience, I'll tell you that gamblers are liable to lose money, time, sanity, morality on the long run

In one of Paul's letters to the people of Corinth. "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient"

Gambling a risky action undertaken with the hope of success.

You mentioned "Forex" ...think of what those mallams do when you exchange your dollar for naira or vice versa. Do you call that gambling? Well, that's Foreign exchange aka Forex.

The digital aspect of it is what you're aware of which people out of greed, inadequate knowledge, etc have made it look like gambling.

If you're a business person, the business you currently is risk bound. That's a gamble. The degree of uncertainty is however what makes it advisable or not.

karkinase:

The impact will be less severe compared to just an individual. Yes emotions always exist when we put Real money on the line.

In my own opinion, the team you propose should be made up of the caller, executioner, risk manager, etc. This will curtail emotional effect which is often detrimental.

If the caller does the work of the executioner, that's when emotions creep in. He may up the lot in a bid to revenge losses.

karkinase:
I’m of the opinion that the emotions of the forex market is difficult for one person to handle. I feel trading as a pair or team is better and gives more stability.
Who agrees with me?

Emotions?

If your assertion is entirely based on emotions, then i do not totally agree because emotions can mess up a team as well.

Observe how if you trade against popular opinion, you'd be 60-70% right.

meshpips:


GBPUSD

Did far less than the average weekly range. Something "explosive" usually happens immediately after we see a period close with a range (spread) that is far below the period's average - THE NEXT PERIOD WILL FAR EXCEED EITHER THE R3 OR THE S3 (I strongly favour the sell side).

Levels to watch for supply are:

1.2258 and then 1.23114

Look out for sell trades around these levels.

Quoting you.. "(I strongly favour the sell side)"


As was the case the previous week.. more than 80% traders had a SELL bias. Including me.

Despite there aren't enough confirmations for a BULL run, I'd stick with the Momentum.

Let's see how the drama unfolds

GBPUSD, Daily

It appears the BULLS maybe setting in but no strong confirmations yet.

In the coming week, we'd maybe focus on BUYS until 1.245XX region as marked by block A and trendline X

GBP/USD, 1D

In my opinion, the bearish engulfing pattern isn't exhausted yet! the higher the timeframe it was spotted, the farther the BEARS go!

Only a high impact may push the price pass block -A by retesting trendline -X

But our best bet is for price to retest block-A and head straight to block -B

Brooktrader:
GOLD 15M

Risking 20pips for 80pips

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There ya go

GOLD 15M

Risking 20pips for 80pips

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GBPUSD, 15m

Short term BUY

Who still dey trade?

Buy GBPUSD o

GBPUSD, DAILY

From the chart above, trendline X and Y marks the channel.
line AC marks the shoulder region for the H&S pattern formation.
we expect a further BEARISH as confirmed by the bearish engulfing candle.

NB: Not all the requirements for a bearish movement were indicated on chart, further confirmations using a lower TF is advised.

could be it

legennd2:


When someone tells me that be bible is cryptic, I am careful of them.
God does not waste words. Through the words of Jesus, we are clear on what God prioritises-The people.
Don't go through such length to justify an untrue point. You should know that if the church organisation fails to do what He wants, God can get it done by other means. So it is not strange for him to permit tithes to be paid outside of the church organisation.

I will outline the points I have made in my previous post again.
1. No human being has the right to judge that she has disobeyed God, when God has not said so. You or anyone here do not know if God Put it in her heart to do as she did.
2. The Church is underperforming, But God will not neglect the needy. It is not strange for Him to allow such an act as she did.
3. No one should make a habit of giving tight to do needy as God storehouse is wherever He declares, and the resources therein should be used however he wants.
My OP sister does not need to carry the burden of guilt when God has not declared her guilty.
And you have failed to show me a commandment ordering to only put our tithes in a church organisation coffers.
This is my advice to you God is Not Rigid! He may give you instructions you are not used to. You are better off obeying them even when they are against popular beliefs. Of course it is a given that He would not contradict Himself.

I will no longer contribute to this thread!

See as you just dey rope yourself.

Don't judge you said but you've just judged the church as underperforming.

Go for knowledge.

desiredhome:

Don't quote what you don't understand, it's a sin.......
some of you will see your neighbor or relation dying for as common as a thousand naira, but will rather give to church than to help the dying soul....... you are just a pastor worshippers and not serving God.

You're so myopic.

We're talking about tithe here. You have 90% to use from. Stop roping yourself. Ask the Holy Spirit for revelation.

Tayorshd2:
Infact God will be more happier with what u have done .....
It's still better than to us it to stake bet and lose

She did that which was right in her eyes.. Not God's eyes.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

BreakingNews21:
Of course. Help those truly in need in the world.
I still don't know or understand why some so-called religious ppl need several private jets.

So it is unbelievers who should use private jets?

CrownFemi:


Where did bible say, specifically, that you must pay tithe to church??

Don't you know the bible is cryptic and you need the Holy Spirit to point to you?

Have you not read ?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, [b]he shall teach you all things, [/b]and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

komekn:



You have a reprobate mind.

How can you make a comparison of process and principal by what is done in a blood thirsty satanic cult , "Ogboni fraternity ". That's the error here with the standards and principles of God . There can never be any COMPARISON light and darkness don't meet.

[s]With regards to the word of God it's clear there is to nothing decode. [/s]

But born of a spirit of disobedience we seek ways to circumvent and or articulate it into modern day Norms and values that are palatable to our flesh .

Look in the mirror. It's you who have a reprobate mind.

I have only pointed why people do not fear God as they should. They tend to negotiate with God when He gives instructions but would never dare in a satanic frat.

You need the Holy Spirit to decipher and decode the word of God.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Matthew 16:17.. Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

komekn:


First of all who gives the instructions man or God.

And please the pits of hell and cauldron of demonic satanic practice can NEVER be in comparison to the things of God.

Again, you're thinking like a babe.

Of course the devil counterfeits God's practices. If people are so scared of the devil, yet because God is perceived as merciful; so they try to negotiate with God.

God has given the instructions. Decoding them is by the Holy Spirit. That's where most of us have failed because we rely on sense-knowledge.

blink:
I just like the christian on Nairaland to help me throw more light to this,
I once had my tithe with me when someone walked up to me for an assistance to discharge her family from hospital. After confirming that it's true, I just dropped my entire tithe to pay the bill and believe I had paid my tithe but somehow I was told that since I didn't drop it in the church am yet to pay my tithe.

If you dey Ogboni, would you use your dues for the same purpose and tell the ground master otherwise?

You were tempted and you fell.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

pointzee:
It is better to help someone actually in need rather than fattening the pastors who are richer than you are and will end up using your tith to buy more private jets for their nuclear family pleasure. You did very well. God bless U.

Who told you you're fattening the pastors? You're talking like a babe.

If you dey Ogboni, u no go pay dues?

If the instruction is 20% ...would you give poor people the money instead? or save your brother as some are saying.. then come tell the grandmaster otherwise?

Una too dey play with God. God wey kill person for supporting an ark from falling to the Ground.

legennd2:


Melchizedek was not a church. Is there an instruction in the bible saying you must take you tithe to church? Did I say she should not take the tithe to church because the church is not what it was?
Did you even read?

Yes I read. And your post justifies the action of the OP.

Melchizedek is a Priest and King of Salem. In Hebrews 7:13-17, Jesus is considered a priest in the order of Melchizedek because, like Melchizedek, Jesus was not a descendant of Aaron, and thus would not qualify for the Jewish priesthood under the Law of Moses.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
**here, Jesus was telling the Jews, before thier father Abraham came to being (on Earth) he was.

Hebrews 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually(forever). This was about Melchizedek

Who remains a priest forever? Jesus Christ.

Is Jesus Christ not the church?


The Bible is cryptic. It doesn't have to plainly say "take your tithe to the church" ..let the Holy Spirit teach you.

HigherEd:


Show me the verse in scripture that says so.

The bible is cryptic. You'll need the Holy Spirit to teach you.

Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. There were many poor people in his time he could've given the money. But why did he pay the tithes to Melchizedek? U no ask yourself that question ni

legennd2:


My sister, Only God knows whether He has accepted that as you tithe or not. If I was in you shoes, I would have done the same.

Unfortunately the church is no longer what it started as. What you did should have been done by those churches who received people's tithes but these days they are more interested in bigger auditoriums and venues and material possessions than the people the church exist for, this is why in my judgement I would have done the same as you.

Let me say this. God's 'Store house' for your tithes is wherever He wants you to pay it. There are no commandments from Him saying we MUST pay our tithes to the Church coffers. So before you 'Give' your tithe next time, make sure God is encouraging you to do it that way. Don't make it a habit by yourself. God bless you

So because the church is no longer as it was, it means you should disobey the instructions of God?

Were there no poor people during the time of Abraham? Why then did he pay his tithes to Melchizedek? What does that tell you?

Onliie:
so if your family member is dying in hospital, you would rather pay tax than pay the bill for treatment? Urgent cases need different approach

The instruction, though simple, difficult to comprehend.

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the LORD of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it. ''Malachi 3:10"


Samuel told Saul:
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams” (1 Sam. 15:22).

But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 1Corithians 1:27.

Tithe is One-tenth. So, you no fit use out of the 90% save your family member, na God money own cut naim go save am?

Let's assume you've spent the 90% before the incident occured, to the carnal man, it's wise to use the tithe in saving the family member. Family member when God fit allow to perish just because of your disobedience. People sometimes spend millions for hospital bills but the person go still perish.

And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” Says the LORD of hosts; Malachi 3:11

That need you want to use the tithe for is a "TEMPTATION"
If you fall, God will not rebuke the devourer for your sake.

Note: the devourer in this case is the illness or predicament of the family member.