₦airaland Forum

OLAADEGBU:
My church is all over the UK. Seek and you will find.

Didn't take you long to admit you lie, did it!

Shior.

shadeyinka:
Seems you don't believe that demons can cause physical/emotional afflictions. But I showed you a few scriptures.

Seems you do not know what evidence is! Quoting a "few scriptures" is only evidence for those who are too lazy to work to understand the Scripture they've been quoted.

The devil quoted a "few scripture" on the Mountain and Jesus Christ clearly showed us how to resist the temptation of not using our God given minds and brains and be attended by angels.

shadeyinka:
You can only know that which you have the privilege of partaking in it or witnessing. I was once a skeptic and I understand if you don't believe.
What is there to gain in lies and falsehood in a faceless forum!!??

You make skepticism sound like some evil affliction lol.

People lie and falsehood here all the time for reasons best known to them. Sometimes its just because they are ignorant, like when they claim Greek mythology as knowledge! Only the ignorant do not require evidence for whatever they choose to believe. And only fools believe ignorant people.

shadeyinka:
The analogy of the HIV infected plasma is not to show whether I was motivated by demons or not. The analogy was to show the difference between the "Cause" and the "Instrument" of harm.

Poison kills but it is the person who poisons a food that is called the murderer.
Just like
Kidney failure kills but it is the demon who deliberately caused the failure (through any means) that we hold responsible as the afflictor!

Kidney failure has a cause. The kidney does not just fail for no reason, and that reason is not a demon, unless you mean a demon made you do whatever it was that caused your kidney to stop working!

Poison may have the potential to kill, but it still needs an agent to use it to kill. If you left the poison alone in the vial, shade, the poison will not jump out and kill or cause an epidemic!

shadeyinka:
Exactly! In this case when the cause (demon) is evicted, healing/restoration takes place.

The cause is you who is using a vial full of virus to spread an Aids epidemic. And the only demon is the one inside you that makes you behave in such an evil way! We can of course expel the demon inside you by educating Jesus Christ into you. But we can not heal those you infected with your demonic evil actions. All the same, no spirits of any sort are involved here!

OLAADEGBU:
Your community is a small one there are many large communities that will welcome him with both hands in the UK.

For where? Lol. They are even kicking homophobia out of the football stands!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1270cn0YxSo

OLAADEGBU:
There are many venues that would accommodate him, even my church.

In UK? What's the name of your church, degbu? Where is it?

shadeyinka:
I think you should look at it like this.
Suppose I have a vial full of HIV infected plasma and I go about a city injecting people with the serum.

The question is, who is causing the AIDs epidemic
a. Me?
OR
b. The Virus

When you take the AIDs patient to the hospital lab, can they detect me and my syringes? No!

But in reality, is it me or the virus causing the AIDS epidemic?

The Virus is Just a TOOL for me to cause havoc. QED!

It is you causing the AIDS epidemic, shade. The virus will not jump out of the vial and cause an epidemic without your input!

And I would be able to determine this if I am not lazy and get off my ass to properly investigate as I ought to. Or else, I would not be able to stop you continuing to infect people with the virus that you are using to cause an epidemic.

shadeyinka:
No sir!
When you conduct a deliverance prayer for someone AND you see
1. A manifestation of the demon followed by an eviction of the demon
AND
2. You see a physical healing resulting as a result of the deliverance

You won't have a choice than to conclude that demons seems to cause some physical ailments. I think I have seen a few to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt. It's beyond bible stories!

Sorry Shade, but I do not tend to have discussions with people who make claims they know are impossible and that they really never saw. God and Jesus does not, in my opinion, require falsehoods and lies, and I just love honesty way too much to allow my intelligence to be insulted.

When I bother to respond to such claims it tends to go something like that posted below. And trust me when say I have far more regard for you than that.

MuttleyLaff:
I know in some cases they do, I know that demons and/or spirits, in some cases cause infertility! As a matter of fact, in Greek mythology, Gello is a female demon,

Muttley! Greek mythology is your, "you know"?

My response to you is:

CAPSLOCKED:
I TYPED THIS REPLY WITH MY KIDNEYS.

shadeyinka:
Demons are spiritual equivalents of pathogens that afflicts humans like HIV, plasmodium, (virus, bacteria, fungus). Each has its speciality and capability. They could be inherited (rubella, hiv) or contacted (rubella, hiv).
Demons are disembodied living beings and Identities with faculties of will, emotion and intellect.

There are natural/biological means to illnesses/infirmities and this are the most common but there are also illnesses/infirmities that are demonically induced either directly or indirectly

Indirectly: a demon can arrange an HIV infected man for a demonized woman who is to be afflicted with HIV.
Directly: When a demon has control of an organ of the body for destruction. Eg. A woman could be caused to have an ovarian cyst, blocked tubes, hormonal imbalance etc

In other words, Most illnesses/infirmities are natural in origin but we find a few cases that aren't.

Demons can afflict
1. The Body (resulting in physical illness): e.g. organ failure, tissue abnormality, deformity, etc

2. The Soul (resulting in psychological/behavioural illnesses) e.g. Anger/Rage, Kleptomania, Pedophilia, Homosexuality etc

3. The Spirit (resulting in complete spiritual blindness, hatred for God, servitude to satan etc)
Atheism, Witchcraft, Spiritism, Spiritual death etc.

4. Items: Usually dedicated to demons eg. Houses, Talisman, Horoscope (even though it's not strictly speaking an object), some kinds of books, some kinds of movies etc

There muttley, with your "Nobody has emphatically". I hope that's emphatic enough.

Thank you Shade. Seems you are just using demons/spirits in religious non-scientific speech that those who deal with it in the field would not use nor treat as spirits nor demons. When the doctor cures this illness, I can see you call it an exorcism.

OLAADEGBU:
He is coming out of love not hate.

Na! No one buys that crap in UK.

OLAADEGBU:
You are welcome to the event.

He has to find a venue first, and in UK, that would be almost impossible unless he keeps it secret. Even a church wouldn't admit him.

MuttleyLaff:
You do realise budaatum, that no one except for you, has yet advanced that demons cause infertility or breast cancer. Nobody has emphatically said that demons cause infertility or breast cancer. This is you just drawing conclusions and reading more than necessary, into what interlocutors are typing.

Please muttley. If this conversation is too difficult for you to follow, butt out! I have repeatedly asked questions about what you claim "nobody has emphatically" said, and it has not yet been denied.

Shadeyinka, please let me know if you think demons and/or spirits cause infertility!

Graham also defended the right to free speech and religious liberty.

He obviously does not know that in UK, hate speech is not protected by his freedom to hate.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum there is/are spirit(s) behind some biological or psychological causes. Some psychological that primarily are mental or emotional are caused by being demonised, as in meaning, a believer subjected to demonic influence or are caused by being demon possessed, as in, in this case from being an unbeliever

You might want to explain how demons cause infertility or breast cancer.

If its causes are biological or psychological, then they are not caused by demons, unless you are substituting the word 'demons' for the phrase "biological or psychological causes".

Just vote PDP and all your problems will be solved!

shadeyinka:
Inheritance simply means that "such is in her family line" either through her father or mother's heritage.

It just simply means that that particular kind of demon run within the family.

A person who is demonized is one who is infected with/influenced by demons.

As in, it runs in the family? Like breast cancer runs in families?

It sounds like you are claiming demons are simply another way of saying biological causes.
Confirm please, or explain if not.

Yep. Its truly there. Marlians don enter Urban Lol!

shadeyinka:
If a person is demonized either through (spiritual) inheritance or through infection/infestation of demons with such specialities, such a person could come down with physical symptoms of infertility.

What is spiritual inheritance, shade, and how does spiritual inheritance make one come down with physical symptoms of infertility?

In fact, what do you mean by "a person is demonized"?

shadeyinka:
I have answered this in your question 2.

There are natural causes of infertility and their are spiritual causes.

What are spiritual causes of infertility, and how do they manifest?

shadeyinka:
That repentant Thief on the cross did no iota of works because his salvation isn't work dependent.

Salvation is the reward of God, as you quoted from Mat 16:27. It is a reward for work that tou do accepting Christ into your life. Eph 2:8-10 is simply so you don't go about boasting that you are righteous. For while one might think one has been doing Christ will, one might have just been going "Lord Lord", an error explained in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican[/url], and that of the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]Levite and the Priest[/url].

Yes the Repentant Thief did do work! You just don't value the work that he did.

First, he recognised God due to work he had done to not be as ignorant as the other thief. Then he took responsibility for his sin, which is work. And he repented and asked for forgiveness, which is all works that the other thief did not do.

If he had done none of these very important works he would not have been rewarded just as the other thief who did no work was not rewarded!

shadeyinka:
Question 1.
By using normal biological infirmities

Are you just calling hormonal imbalance or blockage of fallopian tubes and normal biological reasons for barenness, spiritual, even if it has nothing at all to do with spirits?

ojun50:
Lol
Every soon, secondary school student to start strike

Primary school students will join. Then government will listen to us all when we say, with one voice!

We too want ₦30k

CAPSLOCKED:
I TYPED THIS REPLY WITH MY KIDNEYS.

I read your reply with my toes!

naijaboy756:
you go China?

That's the thing. No! But my symptoms are definitely Chinese! And all I have for medicine is lemon and honey in hot water.

About time too! Since Saturday, my nose don block with cattarh and cough catch me e be like say I go die and na only faith make me no go doctor or call God!

If I don't post anymore, know say I don die!

aadoiza:
if your senses weren't as earlier stated, why then would you dismiss spiritism? And it's not an opinion; it's a fact.

I did not dismiss spiritism! I asked you what spiritism is and you have not even bothered to define it.

Surely, one must first know what a thing is before dismissing or accepting it, no?

I repeat, what is spiritism?

I am not here to prove anything to you, aadozia, and can only apologise at your confussion. It might help if you stop padding what I say with your own misunderstanding, but I can not help you with that.

Do note from the evidence in front of you that not only those who "believe" in a book "reference" said book. Those who understand a book may reference said book, as could those who wish to deceive others by referencing said book, as clearly shown when the book was quoted to Jesus on a mountain. Besides, you will probably not accuse me of believing Plato if I quote from The Republic.

Believe is what one does when one is a child. You will speak as a child, understand as a child and think as a child. But when you become a full grown adult, you will put away childish beliefs. For as a child you see in a mirror, darkly. But as an adult, you see face to face. As a child, you know only in part, but as an adult you shall know just as I also am known.

May we all grow into adults.

aadoiza:
You're using semantics and paddings to disguise knowledge of God.
This issue is simple, isn't it?
Lemme break it down for you: you claim to believe in know God but pooh-pooh at the idea of spiritism, for you claim to use your head, which means your God must have got physical orientation and location. However; when asked to present your god and his location you started referencing a book to which only those who believe in, not know, God reference.
Do you not see how your position belies your so-called knowledge of God.