triplechoice:
Yes ,it will lack it

And will it be tangible and have tangibility if I love my neighbour, and not insult those who insult me, and don't kill and don't covet control over my neighbours mind nor rob them of their point of view, my God, in Spirit and essence and everything anyone can choose to describe it, is tangible, or at least must be tangible to me because I am making my God real and tangible to my very self?

P.s. I intentionally made it gibberish, do note.

Imagine being told my infinitely massed God is not tangible because it does not have dimensions despite having the energy to create the entire universe, and it does change state with time, or at least understanding of it must.

Can you see me joke of talking to an ant?

helinues:


Very good

We now have a proactive government. Fact

What you actually have is a jungle!

A proactive government would properly investigate and gather evidence and seek a court order to shut them down. But since Nigeria does not follow its laws, we just swoop in!

What if this company contests the allegations and is found to not be guilty in court? Would Nigeria not have to compensate them for loss of earnings?

jmoore:
Was the supermarket setup to even make profit?

How many Chinese dey for Abuja compared to Nigerians?

This, alone, is enough to make one suspect they don't ban Nigerians.

Some schools in Wales, and only sometimes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh-medium_education

triplechoice:
Spirit is not intangible as you think. It depends on how it manifest, and there 're different manifestations of spirit. Spirit from a material point of view, simply means energy.

Triple, I am an atheist, yet I can agree with the bold depending on context.

Say, I were to believe and claim to worship God, but can not be bothered to love my neighbour because my neighbour does not believe what I believe or has a different point of view to mine, it could be said that my belief in God lacks spirit and is therefore intangible.

Just throwing it out there that one can worship God in tangible spirit, as by thy fruits suggest.

basilico:


You border on insane when it comes to matters abortion.
Seriously you need redemption.

You need to be sectioned in an asylum.

basilico:


I never lie. Trust me. I have checked your posts where you refer to a foetus as a thing.
What would your mom say if she read your posts on abortion?
Do you have a conscience?

Trusting you is like trusting a scammer, which only fools would do.

What would your daughters say if they read your posts here and see that you don't have a brain?

basilico:

Lordreed can't even point outba conspiracy theory Ive pushed that was effectively refuted..

Almost every post of yours is based on a qanon mules 2000 kraken conspiracy theory. And no, you will not have us waste our time pointing it to you. Because a simple search of your monicker and any combination of those words would point it out to anyone who bothers.

basilico:


Was an earlier quote from you answering me directly. I will never forget how callous, inhumane and unfeeling it sounded
Why you think I quote you every time Im talking abortion? it was precisely how you referred to a foetus as either a mass or clump of cells.

Provide the post where buda "referred to a foetus as either a mass or clump of cells" or you are basililiar!

Though, in all honesty you always have been a liar so that's not new.

LordReed:


Like he can be both things. He still was a conspiracy theorist much like you. Did you see the picture of him holding up a sign that Joe Biden and Donald Trump are working hand in hand? That's where you people's lies are going to land some people, mental illness or harmful actions.

My first thought on reading about him was to hope Basiloco does not go and burn himself.

TenQ:
I think I got tired of you at a point because i assume I was speaking from the position of knowledge.
I do programming on Microcontrollers and in those days, I did a lot of C/Cpp, Python programming.

One thing I never do is post credentials as a reason for knowledge. If I would, the relevant ones to this topic would be B.Eng Electronics and Communications, London. In my days we were 'programming' in COBOL and C and sometimes directly in machine code, so God help you if your one was in the zero's place. I would love my knowledge of philosophy and how to think and reason to hold sway here too.

When you program in C/Cpp, Python, you are "touching" it. If you want to debug your program, you will remove it from the machine and "touch" it to do so. So why would you insist we go looking for the software inside the machine despite some of us telling you what we would do? Would you tell us to go look for electricity inside the machine from the machine's point of view also and without using a multimeter?

TenQ:

I believe I kept saying that you can only look at this from the Point of View of the Computer

And we are saying that you don't impose a point of view on anyone! It's why we keep informing you that we can take the software out of the machine's point of view and place it in our own point of view so we can feel and touch and see it since we don't share senses with a machine and therefore feel and touch things differently.

The imposition of a point of view is how religion captivates it's audience. And you ought to by now know that atheists do not allow themselves to be captivated so.

Read some of my posts on the Garden of Eden. It's all about a point of view that differs to the generally accepted point of view, which you and I should perhaps discuss in its own right.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

TenQ:

Not every tangible things are touchable (even though this is a general definition). A more precise definition would be that Tangible things are anything that has mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time.

TenQ, I agree with you that A more precise definition would be that Tangible things are anything that has mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time.

In fact, Quine, whom I will post at the end, is agreeing with you, and if I tell you a secret, my Lord and I have almost never disagreed and he agrees with you too.

LordReed:

My dear buda software is a non physical effect of physical interactions. They are like thoughts, even though it is the interaction of the brain and body that produces thoughts, thoughts themselves are not physical.

And just so it's not I'm lying, first person to find otherwise my Lord will make me pay 10k. Just quote link.

Unfortunately. There are no precise definition of words, or at least we human beings are not normally intelligent enough or know enough that the definition we give a word is more precise than any other. It's probably why there are so many dictionaries. Everyone writes their own because we do not agree on precision.

Personally? I think it is really rather absurd (gibberish, even), to claim one precisely defines any word with very complex and imprecise words like "mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time". These are words that have had so many meanings over the history of time, and that keep evolving, that precision just eludes them completely, just as that of tangible has and does.

Anyway, below is Quine. The entire article itself is revealing, and moreso the references.

In Quine’s influential Word and Object he speaks about “limning the true and ultimate structure of reality,” (1960, 221) and according to him, for an object to exist is for it to be necessarily quantified over in an idealized and regimented logical language used to truly and comprehensively describe the world. And he claims that the values of the variables of such a theory will only range over sets and physical objects, so “as far as he is concerned … only physical objects and sets really exist,” and, it must be noted, both objects and sets, even if the latter are abstract, are all regarded as ‘things’ or ‘objects’[3]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics-massexpress/

kkins25:


My Buda, good day to you!

I did reply to your Email oh. I assumed you'd forgotten your password or not had time to respond.

I must have missed it somehow. I am so sorry. Please if you would again. I hate being in debt.

kkins25:
@pocohantus, I hope you're doing great. could you help me confirm, do Nigeria Payoneer accounts have the "Request payment" feature activated? It's under the "Get paid" menu..

Cc. Chatinet

Why, by the way, have you not requested what I owe you?

kkins25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urFChdLN6nA?si=gRHAkMD-2uTy-z5X

Great collection of audio-Books with topnotch narrators... I can't stand the Auto-generated text to sppech..

@budaatum.

I do suppose Manly's opus magnus would need a more accessible rewrite. The below is for if you can stand the auto generated.

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-NXrCfPe_e-QETRFj/mode/1up

Guess they wouldn't be spitting on the "idol worshipping Christians" if they ban them.

But do note only the very far right think stupidly this way.

“The custom of spitting near churches or monasteries is an ancient Jewish tradition,” far-right activist Elisha Yered wrote on Monday in response to a video of Orthodox Jews spitting on Christian pilgrims.

The former spokesperson for MK Limor Son Har-Melech, of the far-right Otzma Yehudit party, said that there is an even a blessing that Jews are supposed to say when seeing a church: “Blessed is He who has patience for those who violate His will,” which Yered described as a “blessing that praises God for not immediately punishing idol worshipers for their wicked deeds.” https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-761490

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRguceI4h1Q?si=sKSv7946uo7m4yIY

TenQ:
Atheists of Nairaland have all come to a conclusion that the following are tangible realities
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic

There was even one clown who says that Grief is tangible. His evidence is that Webster definition says
/Her Grief was tangible and he seem not to know that it is a figure of speech.


Who will deliver them from this Ignorance Induced shamelessness?

Cc:
Budaatum LordReed jaephoenix triplechoice

In the context of this thread, which is spirits, those things mentioned are very tangible indeed is what you miss. Even My Lord who argued with me that tangible things must be touchable, and whom I assume might claim life is not touchable, might concede that life is tangible compared.

Go on. Ask all those atheists if spirits are tangible or not. Though now that we've got to the insulting stage, that bridge might have burned. Even as a figure of speech, I'd expect none to agree.

TenQ:

It was directed to the response of a particular fellow who arrogantly displayed his folly: and he was put in his place.

When last did you see me call you any derogatory name?

I hardly, and that is because you hardly call people by derogatory names

Then I take back my comment, and apologise. And know that despite our differences, I do appreciate our conversation, until you began assuming I had no knowledge of that which I speak just because you don't have the code to decode it. It's a call to being an authority, which I know is done by those who don't have any authority at all, and just want to bully and gaslight others into submission.

You should read it again in fact. I kept telling you that despite a computer calling a message in Hindi and sign language gibberish, that does not mean it is gibberish, but you could not see how it applies to us as individuals, that just because we are saying what the other disagrees with doesn't mean either of us are talking gibberish.

I really enjoyed our conversation. It's not the first time neither that we've done this, if you remember, and if I were to lay out my heart I'd say I love you for it. I wouldn't have spent so much time if you didn't have the brain for it, and that's rather rare here especially amongst those who just want to shove some intangible god down one's throat.

TenQ:

The post wasn't directed at you so I don't know how it is your business when a fool is called by his proper name.

The post was directed at atheists, which many would presume I am. And besides, it's not as if you haven't directly insulted me too.

Perhaps don't be so general next time.

Renas recorded a subsequent video call he received from the decision maker, which he passed to police and which has also been seen by the BBC.

The footage appears to show an individual using a laptop which has official Home Office software containing case files.

We Nigerians should be recording our corrupt officials too. Even if our law does nothing, just posting those videos here will force them to be more wary of getting punished, or at least ridiculed Gandollar style.

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. As a parent, what would be your reaction after seeing this?

How could I have been so stupid and irresponsible to put my food where my child can get at it!

If it was hot, nkọ?

That would be my reaction, after being gobsmacked. And it's because a sibling did exactly that and ma's reaction was brutal, so I ought to have learnt and know better.

Awesome.

basilico:


Ive brought the receipts. A foetus is just a thing to you.

You lying dishonest toerag! Where does what you posted equate to "called a baby in the womb as a 'clump of cells' or something like that"?

I so hate that Sainz was crippled today. Makes me want to conspiracisize that it was done to justify replacing him with moany LH

triplechoice:


Then ,Why have you been acting irresponsibly by derailing the thread with something that has nothing do with the topic under discussion, spirit?

Why don't you create your own thread and invite those whom you want to invite?

If you're not using all of these as an extended metaphor for spirits or God,why are you directing your questions specifically to atheists whose position negates spirits and God ?



If your intentions are what you say they're,why are you acknowledging the commendations of fellow believers, including the JW? Why not just tell them it's not about spirit so they focus on the main?

See , you can fool some,not all.

Your ignorance of what an extended metaphor is, is why you think you can fool everyone.

You can continue to play the ostrich. That's your business .

I'm sure your fellow believers are getting very embarrassed seeing how you're now trying to foolishly deny what they have been praising you for.

My friend this thread is set to take us to the land of spirits and goblins. So, please take your discussion about software to where it's much needed. Thank you

Modified. Let me paraphrase your nonsense below

If a God is not tangible, i e, it cannot measured in terms of mass, dimension, energy and time, does it prove it doesn't exist?

It doesn't prove it doesn't exist,but it proves it doesn't exist here in the material world. It's very possible it exist only in your head. That's all

He's being disingenuous and dishonest I think, or perhaps he wants to convince us his God does not exist. He sure has given us enough evidence to presume it doesn't.

The only reason you resort to insults is you lack the intellectual capacity for an intelligent conversation, and that's enough for you to be considered intangible and therefore ignored.

TenQ:

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that!

jaephoenix:

Mathematics is a branch of science. I think tangible. Cos we feel its effects and can directly study it. We see the branches of math.
Same as logic.
Information is tangible too

Now before you start convulsing, here is Merriam Webster definition of tangible

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value


From the above definition, we can deduce mathematics, information etc are all tangible since we can appraise them

I wonder, jaephoenix, what makes you see this way and why many others here can't.

Re Mathematics, I too agree that it can be tangible. We after all can talk about Concrete Mathematics, but I expect someone here to ask me how much cement is in it if I dared.

LordReed:


One last try. Is a patent tangible or intangible?

My Lord, you read the examples that I did not write that I posted. So you tell me if a "conflict of Choice’s street scenes", and "tangible, relevant information", are tangible or not, and if not, let us both go and tell those who have suggested they are to correct themselves.

In response to your question, a patent can be both tangible and intangible, depending on the aspect referred to and the purpose. If I sell you a patent, I likely will be placing in your hands something you can touch.

You and I need to someday discuss the concept of duality, and how it imposes the notion of either or on thought.

TenQ:

I am wasting the time I dont have with you sir!

I guess only LordReed can speak some clarity into you

You have a good evening too, TenQ. And thank you very much for your time.

TenQ:

Softwares in a machine do NOT do anything: it is the Hardware in the Machine that does things.

I don't quite know what sort of machine you are limiting yourself to, but if you go to a factory that uses computer controlled machinery to make, say, Ford cars, you'd find that the machines only do whatever they do because the software specially instructs the machine to do what the machine does. And if you take the software out of that machine the machine would literally be dead and do nothing.

TenQ:
It is the hardware that switches, turns on, varies signal. it doesn't even UNDERSTAND the signal it is receiving. It is a dumb slave.

See the video below. It only does what the software installed in it has been programmed to instruct it to do. If you remove the software that instructs it, or if you program the machine with software that it could not understand, it would do absolutely nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNuJPAtQAIs?si=PliObPrVifHsrkzz

If you build a desktop computer and do not install any software in it, it would not even boot up when you switch it on. So, to say the software that instructs it does nothing is just plain dumb.

TenQ:

Tell me then how you can quantify the instruction of Tiunubui in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time. ANYTHING that is tangible can be characterised with this.

I do not want to "quantify the instruction of Tiunubui in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time", and nor do I have to!

Quantifying instruction in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time, is your thing, so you do it if you want to.

And go read my response when you first posed this please.

TenQ:

If it is true that:
The information it NOT the paper on which it is written,
The information it NOT the ink by which it is written,
The information it NOT the language by which it is written,
The information it NOT the style which it is written,

We have done this already. So, unless you want to claim my response to it is gibberish to you, please go back and read my response please.

And at this point, buda rests, because you are only repeating what I have already addressed and I don't feel the need to repeat myself.

If you however have not understood because you lack the appropriate decoder and therefore think my previous responses are gibberish to you, tell me what you can't decode so I can attempt to program you with the appropriate decoder.

ijebosb:


Agree what the current situation is, but to me it is akin to having states decide if black people should vote. It's ridiculous.

I wasn't sure comparing slavery migration to abortion migration was apt. But the more I thought about it, it is. Just like slavery migration, abortion migration isn't easy if at all possible. A lot of slaves died during slavery and trying to migrate to states that were free, a lot of women will die (and have died) with preventable/treatable pregnancy issues and will die in transit to states that do allow abortion.

But, sometimes I think you talk of race/slavery issues in a very facile way.

I think abortion migration is a lot easier than running away as a slave. The Underground Railroad for abortions is way more established than that for slavery was. If you ran as a slave, you'd have been accused of stealing your master's property, and if you got caught running away from your slave master you'd have been whipped or Kunta Kinted (have you leg cut off). While the worse they can do to a run away abortionist is jail the poor woman, which, to be honest, I would love to see done if just for the uproar it would cause.

basilico:

You have previously called a baby in the womb as a 'clump of cells' or something like that.

Sorry, but I refuse to respond to you when you lie.