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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 3:00pm On Jul 12, 2019

Maximus69:
Buda everyone today is alive because God created us to be, but as for blood transfusion his word says NO for his servants. We're to abstain from blood!

It is your own understanding Max that God says no to blood transfusion, and as you can clearly see, some do not agree with your own interpretation.

I could argue a position of "abstain from blood" means don't even eat meat since in order to get meat one must shed blood. Or would you like to argue that spilling the blood of an animal and eating its meat fulfils your "abstain from blood" position?

Are you vegetarian Max?

Christianity Etc › Re: Stupidity Of Transgenderism by budaatum: 2:43pm On Jul 12, 2019

Below is the Lord admitting human rejection of the source of morality which changed in the third chapter, so nothings new there.

Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”

It's the way of the world, I'm afraid, which you'd detect if you consider how many times Israel is said to have turned from the Lord and likely why salvation became a personal thing with one having the choice of rejecting or making God one's source of morality.

I'm certain you would not like to live in a country where "God's morality" is imposed. Some fool might impose some of these, or ban blood transfusion!

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 2:06pm On Jul 12, 2019

If it's not about the physical blood, you would not mind a physical blood transfusion, and last time I checked, no one advocated a spiritual blood transfusion!

I think God might be requiring a different thing from you to that which God requires of me. And I must say that I'm beginning to understand the anti JW doctrine threads now, though I'm still not happy with you Olaadegbu, except I'm no god so disregard my unhappiness, but I'm still not happy with you at all, except I'm no God, I repeat, so ignore buda!

As I said Max, I and my ma are alive because we received blood we lost when I was being born and we would both have died if we hadn't received it, so you might understand how my own God cannot be against blood transfusion unless that God would rather I be dead, and if that were the case, I don't think such a God can be my God since that God would rather I be dead, and I cannot worship a God that would rather I had not lived the many years that I have already lived, nor can I be worshipping God if I had died at birth.

As to who would be saved or not you perhaps need be aware that it is God who decides, and its not because one worked for it, as some would say, but by God's Grace. And I'm talking from the perspective of a person saved from death at birth with a mother saved too through blood transfusion and who's 80th birthday was recently celebrated and which was attended by numerous people she had positively impacted all through her life and especially after she gave birth to me.

And please do stop twisting scripture to fit your opinion! If I wanted to boast it would not be about giving my blood, but about donating my entire body once I have done with it, out of the love for my fellow human beings who will live because of my donation!

(OLAADEGBU, you asked if you had insulted me or been rude to me earlier in this thread and I did not respond! The answer is no, you have not been rude nor insulted me. I still blame you for every word I write here though!)

Maximus69:
You're mistaken here buda because it's not about what is physical like blood transfusion, it's spiritual.

Jesus came to save but it's only those who EXERCISE faith by their 100% compliance to Jesus' teachings that his blood can work for.

Remember Jesus can't save everyone, that's why he himself said some despite being sinners needing forgiveness are never going to be forgiven { Matthew 12:31-32} because the REAL forgiveness comes as a result of something unique! John 3:16

Sorry buda this has nothing to do with giving out what God said is not to be tampered with 'BLOOD'! Act 15:29
So let them donate all the blood in their veins, it's certainly not what our God requires from his faithful worshiper it's more than that! 1 Corinthians 13:3

Christianity Etc › Re: In A Five-star Rating, How Would You Rate Your god? by budaatum: 1:15pm On Jul 12, 2019

0temSapien:
I am not talking from human perspective. We cannot know the totality of existence but there is a Totality and that's the reality. This totality of existence which we know less than 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of is God Almighty. We all happen to be an insignificant part of this system

Except, whenever we humans talk about such things like "totality of existence", we must, by our nature, be talking from our very narrow tiny insignificant human perspective, the percentage of which you give above and which I agree with.

If only we could be honest with ourselves and admit our ignorance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 11:42pm On Jul 11, 2019

12 Biblical Principles You're Definitely Not Living By

Repent, or burn in hell!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 11:29pm On Jul 11, 2019

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=80175551][/quote]I'm still not happy with you and this thread and blame you for every single word I write in it, but if Jesus can shed his blood for me I'm going to call up and go donate my less worthy blood to help save someone else's life. Anyone who merely talks about it and doesn't go and donate their blood is a resounding gong and a clanging cymbal.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 11:22pm On Jul 11, 2019

Maximus69:
Well that's what makes the difference between JWs and others because we're to 'ascertain all things and cling to what is fine' before our God! 1Thessalonians 5:21

But everyone has the right to choose whatever pleases his/her own conscience! Philippians 4:8
Good morning!

So, you think those who advocate blood transfusion do not "ascertain all things and cling to what is fine"? Or is it that saving lifes by the knowledge that God has given us or allowed us to have is not "fine before God"?

Do you seriously think we are so stupid that we would cling to blood transfusion if we had not ascertained it's goodness Max?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 11:18pm On Jul 11, 2019

By the way, I do not pray. God knows what I require and gives it me when I require it by showing me how to go get it. As I am made to understand, if I do not sow, I shall not reap manna from heaven, and prayer is not, work! Below is how it is written in the bauv.

Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground, and only then will you be blessed by God.

You may check the validity of the above by considering if nations that are fruitful and fill and subdue the earth are not the ones that God has blessed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 11:04pm On Jul 11, 2019

pressplay411:
Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
Daniel 10:12

-Pray
-humble yourself
-seek to understand.

I seriously do not understand this "humble yourself" that people keep saying. Surely it is not you humans that would determine if one humbles oneself to God or not!

But go on, explain to me what you mean by "humble yourself" and lets see how its supposed to work.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by budaatum: 8:19pm On Jul 11, 2019

alBHAGDADI:
You are blind.

Where in my post did I lump all Herdsmen as murderous? I only differentiated the kind of Herdsmen I was referring to by stating that it is the murderous ones we should not love but hate.

Next time wash your eyes well before reading.

If you were being honest, you'd have said "murderous people". Hatred itself, in any guise, is very un-christian, and whenever you might be tempted to hate, you should [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A27-36&version=NIV]love even more[/url] because the power of so doing is immense.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by budaatum: 6:49pm On Jul 11, 2019

alBHAGDADI:
What you've said so far are your own heart and not in tune with the Bible. Sometimes we think we know better but we are wrong most times.

Do you love murderous Herdsmen? No, yet you say you love everybody.

This, unfortunately, is a clear example of the sort of hatred one should not have! See how you lumped "herdsmen" with "murderous" in "your own heart" as if all herdsmen go about murdering. Is it not true that it is the sin of murder that one should dislike instead of hating all herdsmen as murderers, which most of them do not do?

Hatred is a sin against oneself, since it blinds one to love. It is after all out of the abundance of the heart that one loves or hates and if the heart is full of hatred, the entire body is full of it also.

We just need check one's posts to determine that which fills one's heart for by one's fruits are we known.

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Christianity Etc › Re: In A Five-star Rating, How Would You Rate Your god? by budaatum: 6:26pm On Jul 11, 2019

0temSapien:
Atum isn't the totality of existence. Atum is an insignificant fragment of existence, same as Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, you and I.

Nothing is the totality of existence since existence itself is of human perspective and no human knows all that exists. Unfortunately, humans that we are, we would like to claim we know more than others so as to lord over them hence the creation of gods by priests, it would seem.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 6:01pm On Jul 11, 2019

elated177:
If he says "YHVH is love"; he at that moment is speaking the truth. And I will agree with him. The Truth is not partial. The Truth is a respecter of no one.

Idol Worship
Saying love with the mouth but not in doing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 5:25pm On Jul 11, 2019

elated177:
Your understanding of love and my understanding of love may not be the same, since you do not subscribe to the Word that constitutes love.

And obviously, not just of love, but of the entire scripture it would seem, and rather than trying to understand what one might mean, you jump in with no understanding whatsoever!

Do tell, a person goes to church on Sunday, sings aleluya Jesus amen, pays full tithes and appears pious, but then lacks love for their neighbours, has that person not been worshipping idols?

A person believes the word of God but does not do God's will, has that person not been worshipping idols?

Is it not true that Scripture is just words in a book to those who breathes not life, love, doing, into those words?

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 10:40am On Jul 11, 2019

elated177:
In fact, every true follower of YHVH of Hosts must bow down and worship his Word. The Scriptures of the Creator of heaven and earth can never become an idol.

Except some appear to make it an idol and bow down and worship his Word. Are we not told about your sort in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A46-49&version=NIV]Lord Lordism[/url] parable?

Please, go ahead and "worship his Word", but as for me and my own household, we will [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+24%3A15&version=NIV]serve[/url] the Lord" instead.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 10:30am On Jul 11, 2019

elated177:
You see, budaatum, even muttleylaff - a chronic, dyed in the wool, unrepentant twister and manipulator of the Scriptures -has shamed his employer and master, Satan, and stated the truth here.

Though, the saints must not be deceived.

I'd remind you you said so when he tells you Gods word is love same gender sex people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 10:28am On Jul 11, 2019*

elated177:
Twister budaatum, speak for yourself. Some people submit to the Word of YHVH. The Set-apart Spirit of the Father in heaven in his saints gives them understanding of the Word. An understanding you know nothing about.

The Word of God that you bow to obviously lacks the fruits of the spirit and love your neighbour or you don't understand love those neighbours who don't believe what you believe 177.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 4:09am On Jul 11, 2019

omokoladejames:
And if Jesus was a mere man or angel,he won't have accepted worship as peter and the angel in revelations didn't.

This is just a super condensed version of a really complex topic but i Hope this helps

I could give a whole different version but I'd have to admit it's just another version out of the many out there and I can't claim any is superior to how it motivates the individual, which is why my interest would be the implications of believing in a trinity. What fruit does it produce, so to speak..

God created humans in God's image, is the accepted wisdom in Christianity, would you say humans are a trinity too? If so, how?

I checked the link I gave on trinity by the way, just to be certain I posted the right one. Below is from it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 2:35am On Jul 11, 2019

An odd thing happened 411. Someone liked this post of mine in which the something I once wrote links to my position on the deity of Jesus. I find it mystifying that conversations I've had on a topic are dug up just when I need it. It's like God is reminding me of what I'd previously written by making someone like it when I need it, and it happens very often.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 2:26am On Jul 11, 2019

Maximus69:
Please endeavour to ask them tactfully without given them a clue to guess why asking, but don't be offended after hearing from the horses mouth because you'll surely get annoyed discovering they've been hiding the TRUTH all this while!

I don't need to ask anyone about blood transfusion Max. There is more than enough information out there if one bothers to do the research oneself, and the evidence very strongly suggests that blood transfusion has saved way many more lives than it has caused to be lost. I myself, and my mother, would have died through blood loss of both of us at my birth and we were saved by accepting the replenishment of blood we had lost.

Those who don't want any are free to decline it

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 2:17am On Jul 11, 2019

pressplay411:
What if I had asked you to go back to the first chapter of the first book of the bible, Genesis?
Cos that would seem like nursery but it is one of the best explanations of the Trinity of God.
If you truly seek to understand Christ, you don't decide the curriculum, the Holy Spirit does. And he uses whoever He wills.

Please don't misconstrue that I am condescending for I am simply describing God's Way. He who wants to see the Kingdom of God must come as a babe, who is willing to humbly learn.

But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 19:14.

Please, watch the video.

First, you are describing God's way according to your own understanding just as I am, and I'm absolutely certain the way of God you describe is the one that works for you. Surely I'd not be stupid to describe a way that doesn't work for me, and it would be arrogant for me to assume to be God's mouthpiece, which I am clearly not.

If you asked me to go anywhere looking for a trinity I'd just write you off really, because you'd be completely disregarding wherever I've already been and be assuming to educate me without first finding out what I already know which I'd find patronising and condescending as you rightly suspect. It's a common thing with some who assume their role is to educate or save others without first being asked and is not an attitude I appreciate. If I was walking down the street and a doctor approached me with the cure for an illness I haven't told the doctor that I have I'd hardly listen then neither.

I've explored the idea of the trinity from enough angles to not wish to waste my time on it anymore I'm afraid. And to be honest with you, it matters not to me how others wish to understand the trinity or whether they see Jesus as God or not. I just don't and live with it's implications. Jesus, for instance said we would do even more than he did which would be impossible unless one becomes God - if the assumption is that Jesus did what he did because he is God - which isn't impossible, me being God that is, but which I'm sure you'd not be willing to accept. You've already said I don't decide the curriculum so you'd likely not accept me deifying myself.

Regarding going back to Genesis though, that's a good place to go back to. In the beginning there was a Unity and God was responsible for both the good and the bad. Then a duality appeared, expressed as Adam and Eve, but which goes far deeper than that though mainstream Christianity does not explore this fact. Then arrived the serpent, which many consider to be a physical serpent and not the voice in Adam and Eve's head. Then the Christ arrived, and after he left he sent the holy spirit, but not many see the relationship between the serpent and the holy spirit both which are voices in one's head, holy if directed by God and evil if not directed by God. This is 2000 years later, when we are exploring the Quarternity, but I would suppose one has to step out of the confines of Christianity and the Bible to get to that point, which may be difficult for some Christians despite Christ warning that one must not live by bread alone. Unfortunately, if some don't read it in their Bible it's not from God.

Anyway, back to idols. One might want to apply the holy spirit to what one reads. For me, a jealous God who wishes Jesus to be worshipped would clearly say so, but I can't say I've come across anywhere where God said, "Worship my Son Jesus Christ too", and I have found that worshipping Christ or God even, is a barrier to understanding, which is what I understand by love your God with all your heart and soul and being and love you neighbours too. If I love my neighbours, idols one might say, but at least idols created by God and in his own image, of whom it is said in as much as I do unto, I have done to God in heaven whom I see not. So there. I worship an idol, and it is you 411.

P.s. This is disjointed and I have not bothered to disjoin it because it would just end up being twice as long and make not more sense. I am certain we will discourse further as time goes by and acquire an understanding of each others position.

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lonelydora:
If Solomon with all his wealth, 300 wives, 700 concubines, and wisdom says Vanity upon vanity, all is vanity. Then, truly All is vanity

When me too have 300 wisdom and 300 cooked bines I too will come tell you all is vanity and you should not bother!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evolution 101 by budaatum(op): 6:04pm On Jul 10, 2019*

Many tend to completely disregard interbreeding when considering evolution.

Our distant ancestors interbred with the Neanderthals and other hominin species.

The Later Stone Age Calvaria from Iwo Eleru, Nigeria: Morphology and Chronology

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 5:43pm On Jul 10, 2019

pressplay411:
Ok. Perhaps you should consider the understanding of the Trinity of God.

Asking me to listen to a lesson on the Trinity by Munroe is like asking me to go back to primary school, though, I'm glad it helped you.

There is a reason the Trinity is a mystery, 411, one which goes back way further than it's adoption into Christianity, but those who seek an understanding will surely benefit from their seeking. It's much plentier work than watching Munroe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 5:33pm On Jul 10, 2019

Maximus69:
One secret that most people are ignorant of is that 'REAL medical personnels themselves will never opt for a blood transfusion' because they know the menace that will result from it! Most strange illnesses emerging today are results of transfusing blood from one living creature to another...

This is not a position I am willing to entertain myself having been a recipient of blood transfusion which has kept me alive.

The point I'm concerned with is that JWs are free not to accept blood transfusion if they wish not to, and Olaadegbu could have served us better by posting the scientific evidence for blood transfusion instead of making this thread of his an anti-JW thread or making out the Bible is a medical journal.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 5:26pm On Jul 10, 2019

OLAADEGBU:
Let's see the Watchtower's Position

You don't get it, do you? You sound like someone is forcing you to be a JW and refuse blood transfussion if you need it. I am saying, I have faith in your ability to not be so stupid!

Do let me know if my faith in you is misplaced please.

Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 5:18pm On Jul 10, 2019

pressplay411:
I do understand your position. Because truly ,understanding before believing is critical as it gives us conviction.

No 411, I'm not saying the above, that "understanding before believing is critical"! The evidence suggests most believe before they understand, our religion being a thing we adopt at childhood before we are able to understand. I, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending how one sees it, was not fed religion as a child, and only got to it as an adult, like Paul, who also did not believe before gaining understanding.

What I am saying is, however one gets there, when one becomes an adult, one ought to, in my opinion, have sufficient knowledge, experience and understanding to be able to put the believing ways of childhood behind one, and know for absolutely certainty whether and how Jesus is Lord, if Jesus is indeed Lord.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Rosicrucian Order And Its Multiple Lies by budaatum: 5:04pm On Jul 10, 2019

danny56:
Even your name is enough for anyone to know the danger of this. Imagine this guy still trying hard to recruit new members. No one is pledging alligence to your Egyptian god.

No, I'm not recruiting. I'm ensuring those who seek know where to seek for there is a reason it is written, "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son".

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Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of Your Idols by budaatum: 4:54pm On Jul 10, 2019

Your monkey is you muttley, and you make it your circus when you quote me without recognising that I'm not one of those sheep you can convince that you are God's mouthpiece. It's been my point all along which just goes right over your level.

MuttleyLaff:
Not my circus, not my monkeys. To each his own monkeys budaatum. I am just a flipping messenger. Deal with the message budaatum, not humbly, mister nice guy, me

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 4:50pm On Jul 10, 2019

OLAADEGBU:
If they open one that means they intend to commit murder.

In your previous, you said "why would they open an hospital that gives blood transfusion?" The assumption being that they already opened one. So why don't you just go to the one they opened to check if its intent is to commit murder instead of bearing false witness like a person who has never heard of God?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Rosicrucian Order And Its Multiple Lies by budaatum: 4:45pm On Jul 10, 2019

danny56:
Lol... It's so simple to get the truth out. Can you simply give the tenets that makes Roc worshippers?? Let's align to scriptures for the truth... Bible can answer every question for clarification. Let's be guided..!

You and I likely do not have similar understanding of worship so let's start there.

Mine is, being fruitful and increasing in number, and filling the earth and subduing it, and ruling over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground, and loving my fellow human being.

What's your's?

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