Funkybabee:
pain me you said? Why should it? I am not gullible to give my income to one con man who call himself pastor. You know why? I study the Bible and you can hardly deceive me with unfounded stories that you are told by this con men to empty your pocket.

Besides, I have looked at the life of those who claim to give all to this con men and I, who do not, is far better than them in all things of life. Some of them keep begging me for money, even the one that calls themselves Pastors. A brief peep into the world we also tell you that the more religious a nation becomes, the poorer it tends to become, contrary to what these fraudsters tell you. The only people who who probably get rich are the fraudsters behind the pupilt. Have you ever asked yourself why Nigeria is far behind Switzerland in economic growth and stability despite our religiosity? Why would you while your view of the world is limited to your local environment. Walahi, most Nigerians need exposure.






.so its pain you like this,don't know why you want to kill yourselve because of some people life,don't give urself hypertension brother mi God love you and me too.....leave all that for God to judge


Note:last quote

donqx:
naija

middlebelter:


The report is biased. The writer is painting the payment of tithe as if it were payment to Ashimolowo. Look, I am not a member of his Church, but we Christians should not continue to watch this people from other religions attack our Christian Faith. How is it their business if people pay tithes? Is it not Biblical? Is anybody forcing the writer and his pay masters to pay? As for Pastor Ashimolowo's luxury house, is the writer and his supporters aware of the number of books that this man has written and the volume of his investment? Even if he were using the Church's money will God fail to bring him to judgment?

It is not difficult to understand why UK is fast drifting into the hands of ISIS and Muslim Mayor's, but they expect to replicate the same obnoxious laws in Nigeria that will stiff the growth of Pentecostal movements?
My position is not a tacit support for misappropriation of tithe and offerings but I strongly believe that any body cheating by diverting tithes will have most severe punishment. I believe the God of the the Holy Bible, and the he won't fail to punish such people.

Funkybabee:
And weytin be their own,did any worshippers there complain na God go destroy them all even oloriburuku freezes wey start this nonsense..he is going to see wrath of God this year if he didn't change his way Let leave them for God to purnish no be me go help them eat in their on cane...and when they start from mud house no person see them then oooo...



Oloshi gbogbo

lloyds:
Church is a business, and it's God's business. So if the people footing these bulls are not forced nor complaining, no one has any right to harass them or question their financial probity.

Most of the people that patronize these churches are doing so because their hapetite or needs were met there.

Wolexdey:
Proverbs 3:9 Honor the LORD with thy substance, and with the first fruits of thine increase.

post=63866299:
All this na talk.. we are no longer children tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine I'll give my first fruit to God.. daddy freeze go and cry.. first fruit tradition is normal.. people even give their first salary to their parents for blessing why won't I now give it to the Oracle of God.

mikky4764:

I like ur reasoning but I wish they were right. u don't faith without works, both go hand in hand. I can't sit and fold hands expecting manna to fall from heaven, but the truth is that u can't go far without allowing God to lead the way

famouschildren:
I wouldn't blame a lost soul like you. I blame those who called themselves Christian (freeze Ideology follower) who are actually pagan. How much is 10% out of 100 that you find it hard to give to the house of God. Another 10% to the poor (if truly you love them), then 80% for you to drink the Alcohol you have being drinking that has caused you disgrace of falling inside gutter, sleeping with HIV infected prostitute, Diabetes, hypertension etc Save yourself the stress 10% is nothing for me to be debating whom to give to.


Give your life to Christ

spartan117:
Malachi 3:10 is equally an important scripture why shouldn't it be preached?.

What you should ask is that the two scriptures be properly explained to congregations for better understanding

It looks like you forgot to read on to verse 27 and 28 of that same verse
27
And you shall not forsake or neglect the Levite [God’s minister] in your towns, for he has been given no share or inheritance with you.
28
AMP:At the end of every three years you shall bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year and lay it up within your towns

Timiblanko:
All i know is for devourer to be out of your life as the bible as said you must tithe. It is a MUST... God i pray for peaceful atmosphere i don't want to hear more of this issue. Thank you Lord amen.

lloyds:


You are free to interprete/understand the scriptures as it suits you.
I have so many things to attend to. Pele.
It is well.

OBAGADAFFI:


What do you mean by the bold.

I am not here the trade words or arguing unnecessary.


Hebrews 7:12-15, 17 (NKJV)
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
17 For He testifies: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."


According to 14 Jesus cannot receive Tithes since he is not a priest according to Moses Law.

But Jesus Christ has Melchizedek received Tithes of Abraham.

lloyds:


Why are u people so ignorant. If reading the Bible is difficult for u, why don't u use Google.
[b]If u think Jesus didn't approve tithing, please read Matt. 23.23. He spoke of its weight as compared to other spiritual [/b]laws. .
Am not a pastor nor minister, but a child of God that is thirsty for His words and ways.
Freeze that is leaving a loose and unbalanced life is the one that will show u path to morality.
My Pity for youths of this generation.

OBAGADAFFI:
Lol,

Every Christian is a Sheep, if you don't want be a sheep you can be a Christian.

First, the Church don't survive on Tithes only in fact without Tithes they'll still survive.

Second, you need to separate between giving and Pastors life style. Because when your given is to GOD.

On Tithes, the tithing practiced by Christian is based Abraham faith and Obedience, not according to Moses Law.

mickeymimi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxe-SM42mb8







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI

ericsmith:



wow !! paying offering and tithe is now wrong ...
by the way who is you or freeze wateva to tell us or sensitize us on what is right n wrong in the bible. ..
who are you?? ,,what do you know ? academically freeze no get some of these pastors resume.
can a mechanic read medical textbooks nd challenge a doctor to a practical test .. someone like yu Wil definitely stand with d mechanic .

alt3r3g0:


Good point....To each as they are lead.

This is the story of how i started tithing. I just started serving then, allowee was roughly 10k. I was low on cash and pondering how i was going to get to the next pay day if i gave 1k out of the about 2k5 i had left. I had just gotten a job and so i had to pay transport to work, If not would have limited my movement. What i had would definitely not have been enough even if i did not pay the tithe.

And God said i should test Him. And so i did...saying if i get stranded, then i would have every justification never to do so again. Before that week ended, i was paid half month salary (because i had worked 2 weeks). This was a one man company and i was the only staff so its not like they had a structure on ground. Since then (over 10 years) my finances have never looked back.

About a year later when I wanted to leave the one man company, i told God that i wanted my current salary to be my tithe...and He did much more...My basic alone solved it minus other benefis.

In my case, it works for me. I dont believe anyone should be compelled to give or do it grudginly.

ADUNOKIKI:


It shows you are in the same category with the OP keep dreaming. There is nothing understandable and pardon able in cheating. I could understand if he was a saint in the marriage. Do to your partner in marriage what you want them to do unto you. The husband can marry another wife it's accepted both in some religion and traditionally, but fornication No. What is bad is bad. Help him repair his home.

ADUNOKIKI:
This OP must be a clown, you had sex with someone while married, Am not sure she did, you lied and Cover up your mess to her. She admitted her mistake and apologies. Yet you want to die....go ahead.
All I see is you have problem. She is miles apart from this guy. Marriage has its up and down. Accept it she is not perfect so are you.
If you like forgive her. If you don't divorce her. Its your business.
You are talking like a saint here. What is applicable to A is applicable to B.
I know someone too who cheat wi married women and countless prostitutes (within and outside the country) one day he will say his wife is cheating too.
Open up to your wife you have cheated on her before and both of you apologies and get back with your life.
You both should learn from past mistakes

ADUNOKIKI:
This OP must be a clown, you had sex with someone while married, Am not sure she did, you lied and Cover up your mess to her. She admitted her mistake and apologies. Yet you want to die....go ahead.
All I see is you have problem. She is miles apart from this guy. Marriage has its up and down. Accept it she is not perfect so are you.
If you like forgive her. If you don't divorce her. Its your business.
You are talking like a saint here. What is applicable to A is applicable to B.
I know someone too who cheat wi married women and countless prostitutes (within and outside the country) one day he will say his wife is cheating too.
Open up to your wife you have cheated on her before and both of you apologies and get back with your life.
You both should learn from past mistakes

derecho:
The modalities of giving is secondary bro.Do you believe it's biblical? Was Christ against it?Did the Apostles in any of the Epistles speak against it?Serving God is by revelation. If you ain't convinced, please KEEP YOUR MONEY. Tithing is one of the many ways of giving to God.Or you think God was confused when He spoke in Malachi 3?
For your info,ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN by inspiration of God...read the rest in 2 Timothy 3:16-17.Bible is not some literary work that you just understand by using reasoning...Even if you want to use reasoning,what's wrong if a person gives God one-tenth of his income?Does it negate Phil.4:8 in anyway?Do you in anyway believe that God can owe a man?We become Christians at the point of GIVING OUR LIVES TO GOD not when we joined denomination.If you have given your Life to God what is money?The problem is a carnal man CAN NEVER grasp Spiritual things,as you know ROMANS 8:6-8 kindly read.

Finally,Tithe isnt given to Pastors and there's a purpose for it.Believers aim to give their ALL to God and physically express Love ; we don't live for ourselves anymore. This, the early disciples understood and u saw what happened in Acts 2:44-45.

Instead of dissipating our energies kicking against doctrines;Let's like Jesus talk about WEIGHTIER MATTERS which is the Cross of Jesus and Holiness without which no man can see God.Those who started this discus have a sinister motive.

Hozier:
choi, what has happened to the Coco I know? These days, half of your comments are filled with arguements and malignant remarks.

cococandy:

What kind of PhD are you getting with this your grammar?
Are you sure your story is not made up?
Best student in your class in the Uk too.

hardasan:


1peter 2vs 9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Every one of us in the Christiandom are priests. The pastors receive tithes because they represent the lévites of Judaism. Pastoral work is full time. Fake Pastor or genuine Pastor, they work full time. So just as the lévites are given land and tithes, the pastors are given tithes and offerings.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

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Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers