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guy, how far? you don send the prostitute parking? courtesy demands that you update us now |
It's your assumption and not the truth. The most successful men in the world do not even believe in your God, while some of your tithe-paying mugus die like chicken. mikky4764: |
You don't get it. It is not about how much. It is about, is it scriptural? Does the Bible mandate Christians to pay tithe as we have being deceived by the pastorpreneurs? Are we still under the law and attract curse for non-payment of tithe as purported by Adeboye and Orsajefor? If it is not true, then we have been scammed. Do we continue to live in ignorance? famouschildren: |
Who told you that Levites are God's ministers? That is very wrong. Levites are just one of the 12 tribes of Israel. They do not necessarily have to be priests. Every Levite is not a priest and every priest is not a Levite. spartan117: |
Oga, how many devourer do you see in the life of Dangote, Bill gate and the world rich Chinese. Timiblanko: |
Well, this sounds like a rendition from sacramentum of the defeated. lloyds: |
That is the problem. You are quoting the scripture out of context to achieve your objective. The preceding verses spoke about how Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and how , by implication, even the levites, wholater received tithe under the mosaic law have tithed to Melchizedek through Abraham (since they were in his loins). Now, if Jesus could not receive tithe because he has once received once as Melchizedek from Abraham (whom the bible says has paid for his children e.g Levites). How come that the Pastors of today now receive the same tithe? are they higher in rank than Jesus Christ who could not receive it more than once? How come that Pastors now receive it on daily basis (when even Jesus Christ could not receive it twice-premised on the Melchizedek link to Jesus Christ). If truly Abraham has paid for his children, how come that you still say God command us to pay? Please enlighten me with biblical verses. OBAGADAFFI: |
That verse is deliberately misinterpreted. Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and the scribes (are you a Pharisee or scribe)? These were the people who were bound by mosaic law. This happened before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, hence the law was still in operation. The statement was not directed to the apostles (who later became our first pastors), who have met Christ. There is no record of Jesus Christ teaching the apostles to pay or receive tithe, neither is their any record of the apostles collecting tithe from the church after the departure of Jesus Christ. Interpretatively, what the verse means is that the Pharisees have lost focus. They have allowed their primary vision to become secondary and vice-versa; Why He (Jesus) had no problem with their decision to embark on the secondary matter (Tithing) -Because it was under the dispensation of law-, they would have dissipated energy on the primary maters (Mercy, love. justice) etc. As per the personality of Daddy Freeze, there are evidences that God can use anybody. Infact, God does not look for the qualified, he seeks for the available and when he finds the available, he qualifies the available. He has used a prostitute, murderer, fraudster even tricksters in the Bible. He even spoke through evil spirit. That is why He is God. If we are to go by your logic, even the so called MOG are baggage of scandal. The story of Suleiman and Otobo is still fresh in our mind. lloyds: |
Please, can you please back-up this your position with the scripture? Can you authoritatively give us biblical evidences of either Jesus or any of the apostles receiving or paying tithe or where they commanded us to pay? Can you please state with biblical reference where it is stated that 'Christians should pay tithe under the Abrahamic faith"? If you position is true, is it not only once in his lifetime that Abraham was recorded to have paid tithe to Melchizedek, how come it now becomes a daily, weekly, monthly and annual obligation in today's Christianity? Is it not also recorded that Abraham tithed from the spoils of war (and not from his personal belonging), how come that people are now asked to tithe from every income they make? Is it not stated that Abraham voluntarily gave a tithe to Melchizedek (not that God mandated him, like it was commanded under the mosaic law), how come that today's Pastor succinctly tells Christians that tithe is a commandment from God and non-payment attract curse? Is there anywhere in the Abrahamic tithing story that it was stated that tithe was paid in cash? How come that today's pastors automatically preach that tithe is in monetary term? What do you think is the implication of Heb 7:12 on this your Abrahamic principle of tithing. Please back-up your position with fact (biblical references), not what you think or what your pastor just put on your lips. OBAGADAFFI: |
This is not about Freeze. It is about the truth. Please visit this thread to watch the videos of other Nigerian Pastors backing up Freeze https://www.nairaland.com/4207246/still-tithe-matter-last-men The Bible says "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" ericsmith: |
There is no logic in your story. It is just an assumption. You did not get the job because you paid tithe. If you had not paid the tithe, you would have still gotten the job. Many people who do not believe in God, got better jobs after youth service. God is not engaged in the business of receiving bribe in the name of tithe in exchange for blessing. alt3r3g0: |
What are you saying? No matter how you twist it, the misbehaviour of a man does not give a woman any right to do the same. Here in Africa, if you (women) offend us, na you go leave; if we offend you, na you go still leave. That's just the way the story goes and you can't do a thing about it. Your husband is your head, even the Bible recognises that. Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines, yet he remains the wisest man that has ever lived. My position is very clear on the subject-matter. I have advised the OP based on my personal experience and I owe him no duty of care, but based on principle, I have told him the truth based on real-life experience, rather than the theory that most of you dish out here. Peace out ADUNOKIKI: |
Since the past few months, the issue of tithing in the church has remained on the front-burner as it draws controversy from around and within the Christian religion. For a general avoidance of doubt, Tithe is believed by many Christians as a scriptural obligatory payment of 10% of a beleiver's income to the Account of his local church. While many believers are made to believe that payment of this payment of tithe connects them to open heavens to enjoy the abundance of blessings on earth, there is also a general belief that non-payment of tithe by Christians attract curse from God; This is generally backed up by preachers using Malachi 3: 9-11 which read thus: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" The fear of this scripture has made many christians to fearfully dole out a tenth of their daily, weekly, monthly and annual income to their church. There are also evidence that many believe that once they tithe, they are immuned from any misfortune. It is not unusual to hear christians saying "that is not my portion, not when i pay my tithe" In the same vein, some christians are quick to ask their brothers/sisters if they are faithful in the payment of tithe whenever the later seem to be going through a hard time. While many beleivers remain faithful in tithing, evidences abound that many pastors in charge of churches live flamboyant, extravagant and affluent life, while poverty can be perceived with the nooks and cranny of the church. For example, It is not uncommon to see MOG owing as much as three ptivate jets, while majority of the church members who fund this lifestyle live from hand to mouth. Besides, the churches also appear to have contributed little or nothing to the develoment of the society, in relation to the resources available at their disposals; not to mention the dishonourable conducts, scandal and other exploitative issues that trail some MOG. While the above continues and some members struggle to pay their tithes grumbly, an OAP-Daddy Freeze started a crusade called 'freethesheeple' movement with a mandate to enlighten the christians about the exploitative and manipulative tendencies of the church and the MOG in Nigeria. Emphatically, Daddy freeze stated that " If you pay your tithe to any Nigerian Pastor, you are a goat" The OAP draws a number of scriptural verses to argue while its wrong to pay tithe in the first instance. With biblical references, he argued that Tithing has no place in christianity under the dispensation of grace as it is a mere commandment to the jews under the Mosaic law; which has been abrogated by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He asked to know while Jesus Christ (whom the Bible calls the author and the finisher of our faith) nor any of the apostles like Paul, Peter and John never received Tithe. Rather being a one-off posting on social media, Daddy freeze has been tenaciously dedicated to this movement and the whole 'show' seems to be gaining popularity on daily basis on the internet. Initially, his message was originally ignored by christians and pastors. However, in the recent time, Various men of God, including the revered General Overseer of the Redeemed Church, Pastor Adeboye and others like Bishop Oyedepo, Apostle Suleiman, Pastor Paul Enenche, Paul Adefarasin Pastor (Mrs) Adejumo and others have responded swiftly to Daddy Freeze at various events in their churches. From a detailed analysis of all the responses provided so far, it appears that the Pastors deliberately left the message of Pastor Freeze, but attack his personality. Unlike Freeze who backed up his argument with scriptural references, the men of God opposing him appear to be using sentiment and emotional blackmail to approach the issue by putting fear into the minds of their followers. For example, Pastor Adeboye of the redeemed church was quoted as saying non-payment of tithe by his members will attract divine curse. He also said that He knew Freeze can not be taken seriously when he mentioned that tithe should be used to by alcohol (Freeze was reading a verse in the book of Deuteronomy 14:26). Adeboye did not make refrence to any scripture to counter what Freeze said. In the oipinion of Adefarasin, non-payment of tithe does not attract curse, but christians are mandated to pay. He added that someone who is not a Pastor (Freeze) lacks the ability to discuss spiritual matter. His view is reinforced by Apostle Suleiman who said since someone who is not a Doctor can not teach a Doctor how to do his job, a person who is not a Pastor (Freeze) lacks the knowledge to talk about tithing and other church matters. According to Paul Enenche, 'as long as you do not tithe, things cannot work" Similarly, Oyedepo claims that tithing is the key that unlocks the blessing of God. To Adejumo, a man who has failed in his marriage (obviously refreing to Freeze's marriage problems) lacks the spirituality to understand the things of God. While Daddy Freeze has succintly responded to these pastors on his social media accounts with biblical verses, it seems non of them is loaded with adeuquate scriptural refrences to counter the position of Daddy Freeze. In the course of event however, some Pastor have started supporting the position of Freeze on the subject matter with detailed analysis of the scripture. The attached videos are the views of two different Nigerian Pastors dissecting the issue of tithe based on scripture and they both agree with the position of Freeze. Please watch the videos and comment. If these men of God are correct, does it mean that our highly reputable MOG have lied and deceived us for long? Do we call this daylight robbery or outright fraud? Can we mandate them to account and refund the money they have brainwashed us into paying for long? Do we continue to be mugus, mumu and gullible in the name of Jesus? Please watch videos and comment. Thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6vlahoXlA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI |
Gbenusohun. That her hubby cheated gave her no right to do same, either he confessed or not. She had a right to walk away if she could not cope. The husband can even to marry another wife join her in that same house and heavens will not fall, the worst she can do is to park-out. When a lady cheats, she does with her emotion and she becomes detached from her man (Research has confirmed that), but a man can cheat for fun. No emotional attachment. As a matter of fact, many men who cheat, do without emotion. You see them giving the best to their family, taking care of the wife, yet they fck outside. Some of you claiming my hubby loves me die, you will be surprised what they do outside, yet at home, they appear like Angel. But once a woman starts to cheat, a sensitive hubby will know almost immediately and that is one thing I noticed about op. He appears to be a very sensitive person. We are not justifying men cheating on their wives, but when a man cheats, it is understandable and pardonable, but when a woman cheats, my dear, it is an aberration. I cannot stay under the same roof with such a woman. ADUNOKIKI: |
Gbenusohun. That her hubby cheated gave her no right to do same, either he confessed or not. She had a right to walk away if she could not cope. The husband can even to marry another wife join her in that same house and heavens will not fall, the worst she can do is to park-out. When a lady cheats, she does with her being and emotion and she becomes detached from her man (Research has confirmed that), but a man can cheat for fun. No emotional attachment. As a matter of fact, many men who cheat, do without emotion. You see them giving the best to their family, taking care of the wife, yet they fck outside. Some of you claiming my hubby loves me die, you will be surprised what they do outside, yet at home, they appear like Angel. But once a woman starts to cheat, a sensitive hubby will know almost immediately and that is one thing I noticed about op. He appears to be a very sensitive person. We are not justifying men cheating on their wives, but when a man cheats, it is understandable and pardonable, but when a woman cheats, my dear, it is an aberration. I cannot stay under the same roof with such a woman. ADUNOKIKI: |
Your argument is quite incoherent with the issue on ground. Giving to God has nothing to do with tithe or giving in the church. Mathew 25 is very clear on the way to give to God. The issue here is that there is no tithing in Christianity. Christianity started after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Did he pay or receive tithe? NO. Our first pastors-the apostles, did they pay or receive tithe? No. Everything is wrong in giving tithes to the Pastor when millions of people are in genuine need of that money. Those who cannot pay their hospital bills, those who cannot pay their school fees, those who have legal issues, but cannot hire a lawyer. These are the people God directed us to give money. You do not give to God by paying tithe. That is crass ignorance and misconception. You give to God when you give to the poor and the needy. That is the verdict in Mathew 25. May God grant you understanding. derecho: |
It is an indication of frustration and possible mental derailment. The earlier she seeks both psychological and psychiatric attention, the better. Na so e dey start. Hozier: |
My dear, that guy is a great writer. I can see pictures in his words. Abeit, you sound quite frustrated. I hope you are ok. cococandy: |
Waoo, this quite painful, I must confess. I must also commend your great writing skill. I could see the picture, like I was seeing a movie in your word (even though one goat up there was saying rubbish about your grammar), intelligent people can identify great writers and story tellers when they see one. Now to the issue on ground, I think I have great experience on this matter of married women rubbish. I am married too, but have lots of exs who are married. The way they disturb me for sexxx, is quite alarming. They do it with reckless abandon as their husbands have no ddiccks. It is just that I have a principle never to engage with another man's wife. Never. Not in this world, not in the one to come. I don't know the kind of devil that has entered into the ladies of nowadays. The can hardly be trusted and trust me, this social media thing is not helping matter. Well, depending on the guy in question, I cannot guarantee that the guy man has not been banging your wife. The probability is very high. From the narration, it appears it is even your wife who is throwing herself on the guy. The guy seems to be more interested in protecting your wife's home for her than she is willing to do for herself. Honestly, I do not know how to advise you on this matter. Maybe you meet a counsellor for professional advice, but if it happened to me, my brother; that is the end of the marriage and my wife knows that. That a man bangs around does not give a gal the license to do same. A man can marry four women and stay in the same house with them and control all of them, but if a woman marries two husband at the same time, it is an aberration. A man can 4ck around and brag about it; when a lady begin to tell people that he bangs any man he sees, she becomes a dirty rag in the society. Even prostitutes are not proud of their profession. That is the reality. A woman who fuccks around can bring a bastard home, making the hubby to believe he is responsible for the baby, whereas one guyman outside is the real father, but if a man impregnates another lady outside, there is no way he can deceive the wife about the true maternity of the child. So, while we are not justifying men adultery, the truth is that women adultery is the greatest sin in the history of humanity; no wonder the Jews have a culture of stoning an adulteress to death, without doing anything to the man she committed the adultery with. Brother, just do whatever you think is ok by you, but the future of your son is very critical. One love. |
You are contradicting yourself. If we are all Priests, then who pays tithe to who and where is it written in the Bible that pastors are levites? Which verse in the Bible implies that? Go to Istreal, you see Levites there. Even they no longer receive tithes because the temple has been destroyed. If you claim pastors are spiritual levites, how come they receive phiscal tithes and not spiritual one. Jesus Christ was not a spiritual istrealites, he was a phisical one, but he could not receive tithe because he was not a levite. He was from the tribe of Judah. Priests never spend tithe in the Bible. hardasan: |
I am sure you are one of those brainwashed church goers who never study their Bible in detail, but just memorize fee verses put into their mouth by their greedy half-baked pastors. My dear, tithe is unchrisian. It has no root or basis in Christianity. Tithing was under the mosaic law and there are rules that guide it's payment. Tithing by istrealites had a 7 years circle and it was been paid once yearly. There are 12 tribes in istreal and only 11 were requested to pay thite to one tribe, which is the levite. Priests had no power to receive tithe from congregation. Tithes were paid to the levies because they had no inheritance in istreal. Out of the tithe collected from congregation, the levies give the 10% of the tithe they collected to the priest [i][/i][/b]for the purpose of making meat-food available in the temple for the poor.[b][/b][b]. Priests were not supposed to eat tithes. The grossly misconstrued Malachi 3, being used to manipulate the gullible church goers was not directed at the congregation. Start reading the account from the book of Nehemiah, by the time you get to Malachi chapter 3, you will understand who God was speaking too. That scripture was directed at the mosaic Priests, not You, not me and not the church. The account was that the priests were collecting the 10% of tithe from the levites, but instead of sending it to the house of God, they were eating it, just the way today pastors are collecting your money in the name of offering and tithes and passing it to Otobo. These are the people that God called robbers in Malachi and that is under mosaic law. How come Jesus never received or paid tithe? Afterall, he is the author and the finisher of our faith. How come non of the apostles ever did?. Watch this videos and get a bit enlightened. No wonder the bible says a fool and his money are easily parted. 29:32 It’s a Sin to Pay Tithe Singles and Married TV 74,267 views hardasan: |
