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[quote author=sonmvayina post=84536840][/quote]Here’s another:

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (KJV)

Immanuel = God with us

sonmvayina:
See the original translation, not the one king James did for you.

Even if we go by your self-serving translation, does it seem to you Isaiah was describing the coming of a fellow prophet equal to himself. What does PRINCE of peace mean to u? Does it mean anything to u that God called someone his prince?

sonmvayina:
Those stories where also forged.. It was Christians that were killing people.. If you don't, you are as good as dead... Anathema they call it.. The Christian history was also forged by Eusebius... No prophet EVER said God was sending his son.. The term Messiah means annionted king.. Not a demi God..

Something every historian of the period reported on is forged. They all conspired to invent martyrs and persecution. U sure u r okay, sir?
As for God coming, read your Bible:

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
Alphastyles

johntolu:
The import of your statement is that, 'nobody holy pass', in Naija.
Everybody dey wait for his own 'pay check'.

The level of the 'so called corruption' in the 1st Republic, is still by far better than any war on corruption ever fought by our fantastically corrupt leaders in Nigeria, GMB, inclusive.

Of course, b4 corruption was the exception, now it is the rule. Your colleagues will distrust u if u refuse to take money. GMB is president today because of a crime (coup) which made him HOS, which is what he leveraged on to become president again,

DCmonster:
It makes you feel better that your wretched life and your families poverty has no solution so you wanna take it all out on any successful man who happens to be in the news for a wrong reason. slowpoke don't go and get a life because this will pass away but your poverty won't and you won't have anything to self-service on but to kill yourself.

I won’t lie to u, it makes me feel better when any of them is caught like this - because they make someone like me with a few million dollars look like a failure. Of course EVERY Nigerian will embezzle the money he did with Kuku if they had the chance!

kayfra:
In literal sense it's farfetched. As long as a probability that a few people didn't commit crimes to get rich then it's a figure of speech which I stated here.

Smh

It is not just far fetched, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE

sonmvayina:
Yes, you almost there.. Exactly what I said.. The relationship between Enki and Marduk... Father and son... Athanasius said he was both God and man... To satisfy both faction

How many people were willing to be martyred or were martyred for your Emil, Marduk, etc? Or were the martyrs and persecution by Rome also made up? USE YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE SOMETIMES. Don’t just read something written by some loony with an agenda and cling to it. People and empires have hated and tried to destroy Christianity right from it’s inception. Those efforts didn’t just disappear - some of what u r reading and citing were part of it. They haven’t been able to and will never be able to destroy it because IT IS AUTHENTIC!

DCmonster:
All you fucking bastards should leave my uncle alone he is not a criminal. Before you judge him he is a detribalised nigerian. His wife is an igala woman. He has over 20000 Nigerians employed in his company directly and indirectly. All you bitter and hate filled morons creating topic with fake news about him should know that this will surely pass away but your family poverty and your wretched lives will remain so till eternity.

To us the crime he committed for which we must shame and crucify him is that HE WAS CAUGHT. We know they are all thieves but any that gets caught like this, we will gleefully have a field day laughing at him - it makes us feel better about our inability to partake in the crookedness that made him rich

kayfra:
Is there a crime behind every fortune? Use your head and learn about figures of speech.

In Nigeria? Yes. Mention one great fortune in Nigeria u don’t think some crime was committed in the process of attaining it.

In any case here is exactly what Balzac wrote, which is 100% true:

“The secret of a great fortune for which you are at a loss to account is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.”

Enemyofpeace:
Buhari is the causer of this problem

But we all already know that. You say it like it’s a new discovery

kayfra:
Obviously, that is my own adlib

If u must adlib let it make some sense.
Is there a crime behind every successful man??

Another Evans? No way

kayfra:
Behind every successful man there is a crime.

Onyeama, though I like what he did recently with the SA airlifts. If he is proven to have done the crime, he has to serve the time.

See the correct quote below

StrikeBack:
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Thanks for the correction

U, my friend...







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sonmvayina:
There are several Gods, I can name quite a few, but only ONE Lord.. The Jews called him Hashem, the Babylonian called him Marduk, we igbos call him CHUKWU, the Yoruba call him Eledumare, the benins call him Osanobua... He is the lugal dimmer Ankia which literally translate to the divine king Of heaven and earth.....

God's include Enki, Enlil., inanna, Ogun, olokun, sango... Etc.

The Jesus story actually comes from ancient tales about Marduk.. Marduk happens to be the son of Enki, but he won his place as head of the pantheon when he defeated Tiamat.. All the Gods and goddess crowned him their king.

It was Athanasius that said he was both God and man at the council of nicea in other to satisfy all factions at the council.. So Eusebius was commissioned to write and fashion a human history for him and the product was the gospel of Mark... "make it to astonish" was emperor Constantine order... They were written accordingly.. Says Eusebius, the master forger..

Arrant nonsense - Mark was written about 70 AD. The Nicene council had two factions - those who believe he was just a special man and those who believed he was that but also equally God. The later won.
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!!

StrikeBack:
Heeya! Safe haven countries

Dominican republic
Panama
Antigua and Barbuda

Steal money and leave for there

Ignorant like OP - confusing Dominica with Dominican Republic:

Danilo Medina Sánchez
(born November 10, 1951) is a Dominican politician and the current President of the Dominican Republic, since 2012.

Charles Savarin
The president of Dominica is the head of state under the system implemented by the Constitution of 1978, the year of Dominica's independence. The current president is Charles Savarin, since 2 October 2013.

gensteejay:
Go and read about all the experiments in QP in a good textbook or online and come back to read the trash you've been saying here and see if they're is any sense in it.

An observer can measure 2 different results for the position/momentum (not simultaneously) of a particle or a photon in an experiment in QP.

Note that I said measurement of position/momentum (or energy/time), not just using experiments generally (as you said), even though the set up does not involve the measurement of these pairs of parameters.

Stop making a fool of yourself. See below again. It is from a respected scientific journal or simply ask google.
U aren’t fooling anybody.

YOU LOST THE ARGUMENT.

Good night.

gensteejay:
You're delusional.
Quantum mechanical systems deal with sub-atomic particles, and only extremely tiny things can exist in more than state, depending on the observer.

I fail to see how this proves that things are arbitrary in QP or anything can happen.

If what you're saying is so, the universe will be in chaos, not bounded by any laws.

You're just trying too hard to put a supernatural undertone here so you can show your Yahweh is mysterious and powerful.

Using science to prove religion is quite silly; for instance, an elementary particle of today may become a composite particle of tomorrow, which happened to proton and neutron (baryons), and electron may soon become a composite particle as well.

Science changes every now and then, unlike most religions that don't.

Stop making a fool of yourself. I don’t know who u think u r fooling. The exchanges are there for anyone to read.
I reproduce them here VERBATIM:

MY QUESTION TO U:
In QP will an experiment under exact same conditions yield the same result. And if u admit it won’t, is there any way u can tell exactly what the result would be?

YOUR ANSWER:
An experiment in QP, and science generally, will yield nearly the same results (with some uncertainty) under exactly the same conditions.

If not, such an experimental technique isn't precise as it doesn't give accurate results (hope you know precision is different from accuracy in science).

gensteejay:
Which kind olodo be this. The internet is there for you to read about quantum physics and stop embarrassing yourself in public.

QP deals with the physics of the small (sub-atomic, sub-microscopic), like photon, electrons, protons, neutrons, muons, neutrinos, etc. Unlike classical physics that deals with the physics of the big, things we see in our everyday life.

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

You don't discuss what you know little about, hence you sound silly.

How will you use a man as an example of a photon in a quantum mechanical experiment?

That shows you don't have an inkling about what QP is all about.

Have u totally lost it or u r just trying to confuse other readers that u lost

ONCE YOU SAY “QUANTUM PHYSICS” YOU ARE TALKING OF SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES.

That’s what we’ve been discussing. I even said it right at the beginning of the discussion.

WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR U TO UNDERSTAND?!

You lost - simply because u r arguing with a person a shade smarter than u r

Ridiculous that this made front page. The commonest thing is testing negative for HIV. So how is this any kind of news?

gensteejay:
Are you a photon? You need to note the conditions in QP experiments are sub-microscopic.

Do you even know what a photon is?

Yes, particles can exist in more than states in quantum mechanics. Note the condition: sub-atomic

Look at him. Instead of simply admitting he lost the argument. Why we keep using “QP” is precisely because what we are discussing is life at its very core - subatomic particles.

I even said verbatim, “RIGH AT ITS VERY CORE nature does not follow the laws of nature.”

So u lost.
Better luck next time - you and musicwriter who I always beat!

gensteejay:
Yea, just like violence and terrorism.

An experiment in QP, and science generally, will yield nearly the same results (with some uncertainty) under exactly the same conditions.

If not, such an experimental technique isn't precise as it doesn't give accurate results (hope you know precision is different from accuracy in science).

This proves to me u don’t know QP. See below. Maybe we should pause till u read up on it a bit. Do u know a thing can be both dead and alive in QP and that observed results are different depending on who is observing?

gensteejay:
I don't have time for this back-and-forth. You are just throwing scientific terms you know little about around.

No science-savvy person would say "in QP things are arbitrary," "anything can happen." That's a layman view of quantum physics.

Bros, this is not a forum of scientists. This is a forum of laymen and u have to speak accordingly.
Those statements are meant to convey that QP is more than just counterintuitive - which is your claim

gensteejay:
Religion is your problem. No person can show a good understanding of science viewing life issues through the lens of religion.

Religion can make the smartest human behave like the dullest.

That's why you're saying many farcical things about QP, showing you know very little about the subject.

Good luck with your beliefs.

If u were a little bit smarter and open your eyes a little more you’d realize religion has its place in a person’s life and humanity in general.

I asked a simple question, instead of answering the question u keep making ad hominem attacks.

Here is the question again:
In QP will an experiment under exact same conditions yield the same result. And if u admit it won’t, is there any way u can tell exactly what the result would be?

gensteejay:
I don't think you understand all these things you're saying, oga.

When discussing science, you don't use metaphors to avoid ambiguity. You use clear expression and terms.

Metaphors are for religions and holy books.

You keep saying I don’t understand these things when clearly u r the one that doesn’t. In a forum like this u use 2+2 to prevent having to write a long essay and people of reason will know u don’t mean literally 2+2 and suddenly start arguing mathematics!!

But even literal 2+2 will give different results in QP

gensteejay:
A number of philosophers and scientists have stated that our world is virtual, examples are Wilhelm Leibnitz, Carl Jung, Spinoza, Descartes, and many others.

I feel they are right. But that's going into metaphysics, an aspect of philosophy.

A lot of things are yet to be discovered by science even things like understanding sleep, etc. which is why more people need to be involved in science and dump religions.

Religions do not bring advancement of knowledge; they only breed stagnation, fear, discord, and make one's intellect dull.

The things yet to discovered far outweigh those discovered now. And it is by only getting involved in science we can shift this balance, not by engaging in religions and superstitions.

So u admit that something as simple as knowing if this our reality is real is totally beyond science.

And u keep comparing science and religion - things that have very different functions to humanity. When u r facing a hopeless situation, faith can save u or give u hope. That faith has to be anchored on something - that’s where religion comes in. Same applies too when u r facing something u don’t understand. Also u don’t know how many robberies or kidnappings u avoided because the would-be perpetrator got converted

gensteejay:
Lol. Apart QP, every Math student knows that 2+2 is only 4 in base ten. Any other base from base 2 and above (with the exception of 10), the sum won't give 4.

But that does mean it's arbitrary or we can just assign a number to the sum of 2 and 2. There are rules to follow depending on the base and sometimes the space in question.

Seems I am assuming u r smarter than u r. 2+2 is only a metaphor. That should be obvious. What I am using 2+2 to say is that in QP things done under same exact conditions yield different results.

BTW if u change base or anything it is no longer under exact same conditions

gensteejay:
The universe is bound by laws and principles. That we only very few about these laws doesnt mean "things are arbitrary" or "anything can happen".

One of the most fundamental laws of the universe is that 2+2 under exact same conditions will always yield same result. Well QP has proven that the universe follows no such law, it only seems to us and makes sense to us that it should and does

gensteejay:
The universe is bound by laws and principles. That we only very few about these laws doesnt mean "things are arbitrary" or "anything can happen".

Such is only possible in a chaotic universe.

Classical physics is actually a good approximation of QP under certain conditions, which means QP is general.

Though QP has been able to fill most of the gaps of classical physics, when it comes to studies on consciousness, death, and related aspects, QP fails.

To understand these concepts, I feel a new field will be discovered that will introduce an entirely new set of coordinates, different from the 3D we are familiar with.

A number of theoretical physicists and mathematician are working on these areas (consciousness-related studies).

The years ahead will be interesting.

You did not respond to this:

Bros, u have way too much confidence in science. Something as simple as knowing if this our reality is real is totally beyond science.

gensteejay:
You don't know what quantum physics is all about. Don't discuss what you know so little about.

The highlighted part of your comment is very wrong.

The principles in quantum physics break classical laws, which are only a handful of the laws of nature.

Read about classical physics. I see you don't understand all these things you mentioned.

Ok, mr. physics, respond to my post above. Will 2+2 in QP under exact same conditions give different answers or not and do u have any way of predicting which answer it will give?

gensteejay:
I should delve into Quantum Physics (QP)? Things are arbitrary?

You want to teach me QP as a physicist?

Scientists (noetic scientists, parapsychology, etc.) have been studying all these paranormal phenomena you mentioned above and other related ones for some years and they are making progress about them.

To understand concepts like soul (consciousness), death, OOBE, psi (an unknown factor responsible for sixth sense, seeing future events in dreams, etc.), parapsychologists, psychoanalysts, quantum scientists, neurologists and related experts are collaborating in a number of studies.

Instead of attributing every inexplicable phenomena to jazz or your god, it's better to adopt a scientific approach to study it with an open mind, postulate some ideas to test educated guesses (hypothesis), and set up an experiment in a lab to test these ideas.

With science, hardly anything is impossible. Only an ignorant fellow, who sees life issues through the lens of religion, think otherwise.

gensteejay:
deas.

With science, hardly anything is impossible. Only an ignorant fellow, who sees life issues through the lens of religion, think otherwise.

Bros, u have way too much confidence in science. Something as simple as knowing if this our reality is real is totally beyond science.

And no, QP is not just counterintuitive. In QP 2+2 is sometimes 5 and sometimes 10 and u have no way of predicting which it will be each time

gensteejay:
Ignorance is your problem!

This comment shows you so little about this history of science (before the era of the wicked souls that founded your religion, who killed and persecuted many scientists and philosophers, to the present date).

Also, this opinion shows you know little about the giant strides scientists have made, are still making and will make in all facets of life.

Only a slave of Yahweh underates science, saying something is impossible for scientists.

If science cannot explain the true nature of the universe with time, is it your Bible replete with errors, contradictions and mistakes, that will?

U didn’t answer any of the issues I raised. What quantum physics has shown us is that at its very core Nature does not follow the laws of Nature. Anything can happen. That’s why I never say anything is impossible.

That the Bible is replete with errors, contradictions and mistakes is proof of its authenticity - proof that no one person or group sat down and composed it, otherwise it will be well-coordinated and free of contradictions like works of fiction are. What that means is that it is not the person who wrote John that also wrote Acts as some claim. Which means that the general message they all agree on is true.

Also Chritianity is not based on the Bible. The earliest and most fanatical Christians had no Bible. Even today the most fanatical Christians don’t get it from the Bible - like St. Paul, they get it from DIRECT ENCOUNTER WITH THE SPIRIT. If a person KNEW he was troubled by a demon that disappeared on the appearance of Christ, no amount of telling him that parts of the Bible were made up will make him any less an extremely fanatical a Christian.