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Emusan:
If you didn't see answer to your question in my post then check your eyes and brain very well

Wounded lion , your eye don clear.

Answer the question: at that point in isreal history, how many saviour do they have ? I asked because he said beside me, there is no saviour.

So do justice to that .

Emusan:
Ignorance will not kill you one day, I pray!



This is my statement: Jesus Christ was called saviour because HE SAVED MANKIND from their sin...

Saviour is to save...so both Christ and Othniel were called SAVIOUR because they simply performed the act of saving...



Is Othniel still Israel saviour today?



Olodo...who is talking about superiority



You lack comprehension...
Jehovah and Othniel were called saviour because they both saved...what they saved from might be different...





That's why I'll keep saying you lack comprehension...

They both performed the role of apostleship...which means to SEND....



Othniel is a saviour to those he saved
Jehovah is a saviour of the world
Today people still use the word saviour for those who rescued someone from danger...

The critical point here is the meaning of SAVIOUR which is to SAVE

The funny part of it is that, you didn't even consider the tone of the writer.



So you agree that Jehovah gave Jesus the title MIGHTY God which is strictly for Jehovah Alone?

In essence, Jesus is a Mighty God just as

Jehovah is a Mighty God, right?

@bold, at that point in Isreal history, how many saviours do they have ?

ChristianNorth:
The tenet of trinity is very simple for all to understand: Union of the father, son and holy spirit as one God. In a nutshell, it means the father is a God, the son a God and the Holy Spirit a God also.

I have never seen any trinitarian that believe what you just narrated.

U are not making sense, why limit at those three, when others are also called gods including humans?

ChristianNorth:
The tenet of trinity is very simple for all to understand: Union of the father, son and holy spirit as one God. In a nutshell, it means the father is a God, the son a God and the Holy Spirit a God also.

I have never seen any trinitarian that believe what you just narrated.

U are not making sense, why limit at those three, when others are also called gods include humans?

ChristianNorth:
I don't think any Christian denomination is claiming that Jesus is Supreme God.

The crux of my argument is Trinity. If Jesus is a God, then Trinity is. Since he is, then the doctrine of trinity is valid.

Not valid, remember there are others refered to as gods , to make it valid, u must add them too

Emusan:
Just see the way you're exposing your ignorance the more.

You lie too much

"Apostle mean one who is sent..." can't you see that because the person was SENT that's what makes him/her apostle?

*Jesus was a prophet because He prophesied...
*Jesus is the saviour because He saved man from sin that's why no one was called a saviour in the scripture...

*Jesus was a teacher because He teaches...not because He died for mankind.
*Jesus was an apostle because He was sent...

Is Jesus the only prophet in the world? No!
Is Jesus the only Apostle in the world? No!
Is Jesus the only teacher in the world? No!

We read: “Jehovah raised a savior up for the sons of Israel that he might save them, Othniel the son of Kenaz, the younger brother of Caleb.” (Judg. 3:9)


Othniel was called a SAVIOUR . stop telling lies, it won't help you.

So how many Saviours does Isreal have ?

What's is my point?
Simple, if one thing bridges two people together you look at the nature of connectivity not how they perform it differently.

One gave the other that title , shouldn't that tell you who is superior ?

You can't be called a teacher if you don't teach.

So for Jesus and Jehovah to be called Mighty God...means something!

For Jehovah and othniel to be called saviour means they are equal , Shebi ? so pathetic

When did I say they were sent with the same role?

Who says this ?

Emusan
If Jesus and Peter are both apostles, it means the word apostle applied to them and with the same role ... that makes them to be both apostles

My question still remains, you agree that Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, how many God do you have?

Do you agree othniel and Jehovah are SAVIOURS, how many Saviour does isreal have ?

Until u learn what it means when one gave a title to another to carry out his own purpose, you will continue to get confused

Emusan:
When I said you're a confirm Olodo...y
some people won't believe but just look at your delusion...

So to be an Apostle now mean to die...

Pathetic, so pathetic ... Apostle means " one who is SENT. "

Jesus was sent in what context ? ( God SEND his son ( 1John 4:14) .. Same with Peter ?

Jesus is a mighty God and Jehovah is a mighty God, how many God do you have? That's the question!

When you answer if Jesus and Peter were SENT with the same role as you Earlier lied . this one will be clear .

Emusan:
I can see you misunderstood what I meant there....

I didn't talk about one word with a different meaning but FOCUS on the word APOSTLE...

If Jesus and Peter are both apostles, it means the word apostle applied to them and with the same role ... that makes them to be both apostles

Now both Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, then how many God do you have?

U are a dubious fellow, are you seeing what trinity is doing to your reasoning ?

Jesus was Sent to die for mankind sins [John 3:16 ] , Peter wasn't sent for such role , [b] the word apostle is applied to them in a different context [b]

Same applies to Jesus and His Father. To Jesus its applied as a title as a Mighty one , But to Jehovah its applied as the supreme being over ALL

ChristianNorth:
The subject matter is, "Is Jesus a God? I said yes and gave biblical portions I think prove that.

Apostle can mean sent one , but it can also mean a foremost disciple of Christ . so context matters
So also when the question is asked : Is Jesus God ? Many ask in the context of he being the supreme being. So the answer is NO in that sense.

Whether "mighty God" or "almighty God" the most important thing is that the Bible said he is God.

Context matters .

Mary gave birth to a God in a flesh. This means he has all the attributes of a man.

Yes, flesh can die but you can't kill a spirit.

But it was God ?

So brother answer

1) Did Mary give birth to God ?

2) Did humans kill God ?

ChristianNorth:
That is the problem with you Jehovah Witnesses, interpreting the bible to suit yourself. Nobody is claiming that Jesus is the supreme being. He is a God.

Just like in ancient Greek, there were plethora of gods but Zeus was their supreme head.

Jesus is a deity and also the Holy Spirit. That is what Trinity is all about.

You guys argue like kids, no wonder a JW can never subject himself to a debate.

Trinity died a natural death since Christ isn't the supreme God.

You know what's funny, humans are called GODS too , Do you say the same thing. We are deities ?

Emusan:
Diverting from the main point....

Jesus is a mighty God, how many God do you have? Answer that first...


The main focus is the meaning of Apostle if Jesus and Peter were both called an Apostle, are they not in essence APOSTLE?

Now, if both Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, are they both not God? Then how many God do you have

Check the meaning of God too , it can mean someone with authority or who influences others . So it doesn't alway mean the supreme being

Context of supreme being, One God , Jehovah

Emusan:
The verse says MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH not WAS IN THE FLESH

God WAS ... Past.

John says the word WAS IN THE FLESH.

Seems u are confused Mr

So

1) Mary Give birth to God ?

2) Humans Kill God ?

Emusan:
Since you agree that Jesus is a mighty God, then how many God do you have? Also, isn't Jehovah a mighty God?

Wonderful counselor etc,those are all titles.

Has nothing to do with equality with Jehovah .

Jesus is called an apostle just as Peter, does that make them equal ?

Father and Son ... The Gap will forever be there

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ChristianNorth:
Yes, Jesus is God. Read John 20:28. I know you guys expunged part of the bible or changed the wordings. Even your New World Translation couldn't change that.

Can you explain 1 Tim 3:16, ... God was manifested in the flesh

Can you also explain Isa 9:6: Unto us a son is born... His name shall be called MIGHTY GOD, ETERNAL FATHER...

What about Isa 7:14: a virgin shall give birth to a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel (God with us)

Explain what all these mean or keep quite.

Thank God it says " mighty God " not ALMIGHTY .

As for the bold, if God was in flesh, Mary gave birth to God ? Humans kill God ?

Maximus69:
NO! Janosky,his holiness Pastor Emusan[noted NOT Mr Emusan] is suggesting that all Christians needed to go and study Judaism first before they can fully grasp what is WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, because Jehovah's Witnesses also quoted Atheists to debunk TRINITY that is NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE!
Mind you,next time don't refer to a whole Pastor as common 'Mr', that is disrespectful and rude!

He didn't understand that God creating someone automatically make the person a son . Just like Adam

Maximus69:
NO! Janosky,his holiness Pastor Emusan[noted NOT Mr Emusan] is suggesting that all Christians needed to go and study Judaism first before they can fully grasp what is WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, because Jehovah's Witnesses also quoted Atheists to debunk TRINITY that is NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE!
Mind you,next time don't refer to a whole Pastor as common 'Mr', that is disrespectful and rude!

He didn't understand that God creating someone automatically make the person a son . Just like Adam

Emusan:
Imagine, I want to argue but not learning...so it's your demonic doctrines that I should learn

You learnt before you know what to say, yet you're committing blunders everywhere here...see back to your learning school.

I know you people can twist anything just even your own website just to propagate your delusion doctrines.

The statement read "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

In fact, had it been you read the link I provided you'll have seen that you contradicted your organization.

This is what they wrote at the second paragraph
"The Bible account says that “the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” ( Genesis 6:2 ) Those ‘sons of God’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against God when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​— Jude 6; Genesis 6:2

How can a rebellious angels still be called SONS OF GOD

I will continue to watch how you and your brothers will continue to dance around...

Lastly, the term Son of God was used even before the advent of born again came by Jesus Christ.

May Jehovah deliver you. So pathetic your knowledge is so little

Emusan:
Not what JWs says but what the scripture says...



Gain knowledge from people who lack knowledge, that's ridiculous...



Showing you what your own organization says as against the lies you're spewing now means I'm arguing...

Before you divert our attention, the question still remains, can REBELLIOUS Angels still be called sons of God?



So you haven't seen the truth I'm presenting here that the Angels are already rebelled against God before they came to earth and chose the daughters of men for wives for themselves?

Are they still sons of God after their rebellion?

Your problem is you don't know son of God basically means Created by God. The bible still call Adam " Son of God " years after his rebellion ( Luke 3:38)

You are the one who need to be tutored

Emusan:
Not what JWs says but what the scripture says...



Gain knowledge from people who lack knowledge, that's ridiculous...



Showing you what your own organization says as against the lies you're spewing now means I'm arguing...

Before you divert our attention, the question still remains, can REBELLIOUS Angels still be called sons of God?



So you haven't seen the truth I'm presenting here that the Angels are already rebelled against God before they came to earth and chose the daughters of men for wives for themselves?

Are they still sons of God after their rebellion?

Your problem is you don't know son of God basically means Created by God. The bible still call Adam " Son of God " years after his rebellion ( Luke 1:32)

You are the one who need to be tutored

Emusan:
So wicked angels are SONS OF God...

Just as Adam was called Son of God . Luke 3:38 years after he rebelled .

Son of God basically mean Created by God .

For them to have sexual organ and be able to have intercourse with real woman means they are actually human at that moment too...

Materialize isn't the same has Change of Nature . it's just a Bodily appearance . don't confuse it, they are still spirit sons of God.

For Jesus to change nature, he had to be made a little lower than Angel by becoming human " in all respect " Heb 2:17 , Materializing can't do this.

So upon all the shout about NEPHILIM you can just simply say THEY ARE HUMAN TOO...

*Men of renown was not found only nephilim people with earthly father and mother were also said to be men of renown
*Samson strength was GAGANTIC beyond normal human
*Goliath was a giant and mighty man

So what make them special when an earthly father and mother have produced such

Its not an earthly father that gave birth to them, But a Materialized bodily appearance , that's what make them special .

Olodo...it's 2 chronicles 21:12


So because chronicles was after the king it means Elijah wrote a letter after he was taking to heaven...smh

Do u need to be tutored about the fact that the King on the throne when he was carried away has died and another new King is on the throne when he sent the letter ?

Emusan:
Then he was a human at that very moment

Humans have lightning appearance you know ?

He must have blood to produce such countenance , you know ?

It's evident that you can't do without lies and falsehood

Now look at verse 16 the one that was even after verse 15

"Then one who looked like a man touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and said to the one who stood in front of me: “My lord, I am shuddering because of the vision, and I have no strength"

Besides, what we read from verse 1 is "...a revelation was given to Daniel, who was called by the name Bel·te·shazʹzar;..."

It's evident that Daniel 10 is all about vision and not physical experience..

"The vision " ( Past) NOT "this vision" ( present )Get sense

If so, the man that appeared to him has blood with that appearance ?

Emusan:
Bodily form means he has flesh and bones...that was why asked...so answer my question.

He was flesh and bone.

Daniel 10:18 isnt a vision , Verse 15-17 proved it.

So it was an image that touch Daniel?

Emusan:
Off topic...

Not at all, the term sons of the True God identify who they are.

Genesis 6:4
when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them.

Clear distinction was made.

Daughters OF MEN and SONS of GOD .

Now you have started using both GIANT and NEPHILIM together whereas Giant is the rendering of the Hebrew word nephilim

Imaging, see the question this olodo is asking me...when you suppose to explain to us why will God say He will destroy MAN but your Nephilim that aren't MAN was destroyed

Let's see the summary of your claim
1. Nephilim weren't human
2. God promised was to DESTROY HUMAN
3. How come everyone one earth was destroyed by the flood INCLUDING the nonhuman Nephilim?

In fact, the fact that you claim the flood destroyed the Nephilim is evident that they are human...if not the flood didn't suppose to have effect on them...



Pray tell us why the flood will affect the Nephilim when God promised to destroy ONLY HUMAN and EVERYTHING HE CREATED ON EARTH? Was Nephilim part of God creation on EARTH?

Or let me use your very word, are they earthly creatures

Nephilims are earthly creatures having Flesh and blood just as their mother's, but their strength was GIGANTIC beyond normal human due to the kind of fathers they have.

Genesis 6:4 says " the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
"

Mary giving birth to Jesus by supernatural means doesn't remove him from being humans

Which location was Elijah transported to according to the Scripture?

Years later He wrote a letter to the king of isreal ( 2King 21:12

I can't stop laughing at your ignorance...

Death occurs before falling asleep in death, you're a real olodo...

So what will kill those people before resurrection taken place?

What happened to their dead body?

Also, why would their body change/transform after they have died

Are you now agree with us that the body that one died with is the same that will resurrect with?

If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one says the scripture.

They are resurrected to a spiritual body as God pleases just like Christ. Put to death in flesh, raised to live in spirit .

After I showed you that Daniel was in a VISION you can still come to say thrash...

He wasn't in a vision when TOUCHED , So the man has blood with that appearance ?

Emusan:
Did he have Flesh and bones? like Jesus

Now you can't deny he was in bodily form . Surely

You're the real liar here...

Now, we can ask these questions:
1. Why would Thomas VOWED not to believe until he touched the resurrected Jesus if Jesus didn't resurrect with His body?
2. Shouldn't this indicate that Thomas was expecting to see a physical body before he made that vow?
3. Why Jesus didn't correct Thomas's view about resurrection but only to come and deceive him with fake body?

In fact, when Jesus appeared when thomas was not there the Scripture recorded it that they were first afraid and taught they have seen SPIRIT...yet what Jesus did was to correct that perception that No! what they see isn't SPIRIT but the real Him..that's why we read "Behold my hands and my feet, It is I myself...handle me and see for a SPIRIT has no flesh and bones as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus statement here was very clear and straight forward but only someone with a heart of devil will twist it.

U lack knowledge, it was after others have related their experience with Jesus to Thomas . this prompted him to want to witness the same .
. Which Christ Did .

He walked through Walls and ability to appear and disappear at will , make them imagine its a spirit, but he was Materialized in their presence, so could Say he is flesh and bones. But not flesh and blood .

Daniel was in a VISION....why so daft like this?

He wasn't in a Vision when he touched him ( Open your eyes and read Daniel 10:15-17 where Daniel discuss the vision with him )

asalimpo:
So the sword that swings in the garden of eden is A PHYSICAL sword?
Look at what i said, angels either take on human form or the appear in their spirit form as they are so the human eye sees them. They were angels and chariots of fire when elisha was sorrounded by the enemy king. Did elisha's servant see them? No? Where they in physical chariots? No?
But they were there AND COULD DO REAL DAMAGE. God simply opened elisha's servant eyes (which one? His physcal eyes were already opened,that's y he saw d enemy in the first place) so that he saw into the spirit realm. Saw that those with them surpassed those against them.
Your argumnts collapse in view of cases like this.

You can't behold a spirit in their glories, he makes his angels spirits, flames of fire says the scripture, whatever you saw is a physical manifestation. Ezekiel saw beyond that, Angels in Human forms with Faces of lions, bulls face , Eagles Face . if you called this spiritual realm, I wonder what kind of blood they possess to maintain this flesh , maybe its Human blood, lions blood, or Eagles blood . its just physical manifestations Not their spirit form .

Emusan:
Liar, if you're talking about the account of Matthew 28 then you're wrong because what the scripture says is that "his COUNTENANCE was like lightning..."

See the way you're just twisting the scripture...

Mark 16:4,5 relating the same event says his appearance his like a young MAN

Fully human with that countenance ?

You must be kidding

The first question a reasonable person will ask here is, were the angels described to have performed human activities or like what Jesus said..."touch me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see me have"

Those appearance can be compared to 3D IMAGE where every part can be seen but can't be touched.


One can deduce from Jesus statement that "sometimes when spirit appears it's not always with flesh and bones but only the human image" that's why He challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...

So the notion I want to correct is that whenever you use the word MATERIALIZED stop confusing it with IMAGE because it simply means the entity/entities can be seen, touched and feel.

Must you lie ?

The reason he ask Thomas to come and touch was because Thomas himself vowed not to believe until he touched him. It has nothing to do with your image theory . that young man the women saw is in Bodily form , full of glory . even engage In a conversation with the women that they were terrified, even had to calm them . that look like it depends on blood to live or maintain his glory ?

An IMAGE according to you touched Daniel ?

Shifted from bodily form to touch. Well done

Emusan:
But they possess FLESH, isn't it and isn't FLESH an earthly property

What is the meaning of Nephilim?

Even your organization said they are SUPERHUMAN why not LESS/LOWER SPIRIT




The word SUPERHUMAN still appeared in your statement...

My key point which you can't still grasp is that, to say a spirit MATERIALISED means he took part in FLESH...you and your brother have not denied this but only trying to eat your cake and also have it...

By claiming that since they are angels they won't have blood...this is what lack of scriptural knowledge can cause...after rushing to Leviticus to claim that "The life of ALL FLESH is in the BLOOD"
Yet the angels that materialised by having FLESH must be excluded from that verse...talking about double standard!



Firstly, the word HYBRID isn't in the Bible, this word was coined by people like you to explain what the scripture didn't say.

Secondly, the statement of Gender 6:4 is about human GIANTS...

How do we know?
1. they bore sons to them.
2. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame. (Notice: They were MEN)
3. Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth (Notice: everyone on earth at that time were called MAN)
4. Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. (God's regretted creating MEN on earth)
5. So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground (it was MEN God wants to destroy on the face of ground)

As you can see all references pointed to MAN...not any irregular being on earth...

The expression " sons of the true God " points to angels . The bible later refer to them as angels who left their proper abode

Question is: Why is there union producing GIANT Nephilims if they are fully human ? If they were men why did Nephilims end after the flood ?

But unfortunately your organization said the FLOOD destroyed all the nephilims

You can show us Nephilims that survived beyond the flood ?

Which location was Elijah transported to?

Truly you people don't have shame...and it shows an extent you people can go to continue propagating lie...

This is account of Elijah...

As they were walking along, speaking as they walked, suddenly a fiery chariot and fiery horses made a separation between the two of them, and E·liʹjah ascended to the heavens in the windstorm. 2 king 2:11 NWT

NOTE: I didn't address John 3 because I'm not here for that and I know you don't understand what the verse is saying.

Neither do you understand it. Its another topic entirely

Apostle Paul talks about how people who are still alive will not die but CHANGE/TRANSFORMED yet you said there's nothing like that, something scripture boldly says.

You lie too much

1 Cor 15:51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death , but we will all be changed

He didn't say they won't die. Death occurs before a person can sleep in death. But because of instant resurrection, such ones won't fall asleep in death not that they won't die.

And for that ressurection verse 44,49 clarifies, its raised in the image of the heavenly one because they have an heavenly hope not earthly body anymore .

Yet you'll be claiming to be a student of the scripture...smh!

This is what Daniel said in verse 7 "Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see the vision.

Can't you see this is an IMAGE in manifestation and not MATERIALIZE account



Olodo...who did Jesus come to rescue? that's the point...


Lastly, stop using the word MATERIALIZE you don't know the meaning...

Biggest Olodo as Yoruba people will say . ordinary image touch Daniel

Daniel 10:18 the one who looked like a man TOUCHED me again .

Is he fully human despite he materialized and with those description of him ?

Emusan:
Listen to yourself, FLESH in that Scripture refers to EARTHLY CREATURES... and this earthly creatures need BLOOD to sustain but angel brought the same FLESH (which now means they are now part of this earthly CREATURES yet they don't need BLOOD to sustain their own FLESH)

They are not earthly, they still retain their angelic strength . Go back to that young man that appear to those women at Jesus tomb as a Young Man . and also study their giving birth to Nephilims

The only thing you can say and I'll agree with you is if this appearance is like IMAGE...people can see image but can't touch or hold it....but unfortunately you're describing what is far higher than just image...having sexual organ, engage in physical sex activities, eat and drink

Add more.
Having shining clothing, lightening appearance ,
Read the man that appeared to Daniel at Chapter 10 with his super human description, yet he appeared as a man ( verse 5 )

Lack of comprehension again, They are angel but before they engage in sexual relationship with woman THEY MUST HAVE BECOME HUMAN at that very moment... that's the point and get it in that your empty skull....

If they become human, why are their offsprings Hybrids ?

Idiot...but Elijah went to heaven..is he an angel or he got transformed body?

Elijah was transported to another location. Not heaven . ( John 3:13 is there for you ) Christ is the only spirit that came as a son of man. Others are angelic beings materializing to be visible

Funny enough, you just shouted up there that "They are not humans" only to contradict yourself in the next paragraph that "Externally, appear human"

How can something that is not human still appeared as HUMAN is one of seven wonders of jws

Study that young man at Jesus tomb very well . you will understand .

But do you also agree that a TRANSFORMED BODY will work differently as normal BODY?

Nothing like transformed human body. Either human or spirit . when its materialized we know its a spirit trying to be visible.

You want to eat your cake and also have it.

This is a description of An IMAGE not a MATERIALIZED BODY

A MATERIALIZED BODY is BODILY...which means you can touch and hold it, that's why Jesus challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...for a spirit doesn't have FLESH and BONE as you see me have"

You need to read Daniel 10 . an angel in human form , touching Daniel but not fully human by description.

My advice for you, leave watchtower and awake and enroll for English class.



Struggle to answer you keh, when I've already dealt with it...

Jesus came for the children of Adam so He needs to be part of them in history and blood lines as a fulfilment of prophecies ...this has nothing to do with angels taking human form

Olodoo everywhere

Why the prophecy in the first place, if materializing can have the same effect as Fully Human ?

Emusan:

If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

I don't just know why I burst into laughter the moment I saw the bolded , You lack objectivity. That angel I described for you with appearance like lightning @ Matthew 28, asking them to go to Galilee, is in HUMAN FORM

Mark 16:4 " When they entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned "

With that appearance and clothing, he is Fully Human ?

Get sense

Emusan:

If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

I don't just know why I burst into laughter the moment I saw the bolded , You lack objectivity. That angel I described for you with appearance like lightning asking them to go to Galilee, is in HUMAN FORM

Mark 16:4 " When they entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned "

With that appearance and clothing, he is Fully Human ?

Get sense

asalimpo:
see ur thinking. God sits on a throne, made of what? Wood from earths forest?
The angel slaying the enemies of hezekiah at night was using what? A physical sword?
The chariot of fire that took elijah upto heaven was made of what,earthly metal? The horses were what type ,egyptian breed? How could elijah even step into it?
When elisha was sorrounded by the enemy kings armies and he prayed that God would open the eyes of his servant,what did the servant see? Angels,in chariots. Did d angels take material form for him to see them? No. But bf seeing them were his eyes closed? No. So why does it say that God opened his eyes? Which eyes did God open? You see why ur theology is wacked? A pile of poo

What happened to Elijahs servant happened to Balaam too , but he later saw an angel with a Sword. The word " Sword " indicates physical manifestation . since it could be recognized what a physical sword looks like.

Materializing takes many form .


Take a look at that account in luke again

“And it happened, as they [the women] were greatly perplexed about this behold, two men stood by them in shining garments” Luke 24:4

They look human but the shining garment clearly signifies they are not like ordinary men . in other instances these men were described as having a Lightning appearance .

So if you apply his wack definition , these two men must be human . when they are not