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nitrogen:
Now I know that you are also a troll. Just check what you just posted, are you happy with it?

Lol, wait did I lie?

nitrogen:
Sorry, 16/17. At least a midfielder will have numbers to show for it, so tell me what Herrera did in 16/17 vs Pogba.

Also, why did the same fans not vote for Ibrahimovic that scored 28 goals and provided 10 assists?

Because they felt Herrera's contribution was more instrumental. That doesn't mean ibra didn't do well that season.
Sometimes it's not just numbers that counts. Leadership, Commitment, fighting Spirit, work rate, passion, psychological strength as well as the actual football. Talent wise Pogba is a better footballer than Bruno. But Bruno applys all those qualities above to achieve better results. Football is a result game. That season you are talking about we fans keep making excuses for pogba including me, saying we should be patient with him, he was not that good that season. Herrera was actually phenomenonal that season.

nitrogen:
Again, I have no issues with Bruno. I have issues with you because you said that Pogba has not done anything of note since he joined united, like what fuckery is that? Does it even make sense to you?

Nawa o!

As ridiculous as it sounds, its still fact. The best you can do is to pick few matches where he was good. FOR FOUR YEARS. even Phil Jones beasted some matches eg. Real Madrid 2013

TrebleChamp:
Deep down you know Pogba hasn't justified that world record fee. I critisize any player who doesn't give his best for the team e. g Martial. I have no personal beef, just don't like what is dropping since we signed him.

Deep down they know that pogba has not done anything, they just wanted to defend him

Expert17:
If we are to count games that Herrera and Pogba played so well.

Herrera beat Pogba hands down.

This is fact

nitrogen:
I don’t have issues with Bruno, but Capitalcee keeps bringing him into the discussion. Until Bruno does a full season here, before you start any shitty comparison. Imagine comparing Pogba to VDB too.......nawa o

If you continue to say that Pogba has done nothing, then Bruno has also done nothing, because we were third with just 66 points......

66 points doesn't say all the stories about Bruno, 70% of that point total was gotten with him in the team and he was the undisputed best player at that period despite being new to the team, when will dablord have such impact

nitrogen:
Can you give me numbers to substantiate all these your yarns? Tell me how Herrera was better than Pogba in the midfield in 18/19, same Herrera that you guys said is an average player.

Omo, your agenda na grade 1 sha

Herrera was voted both by fans and players as the best player in 2016/17. I don't know which state you are asking for. Herrera as average as he is, was still posting great spirited performances for us. Pogba only jogs around in the pitch.

Expert17:
So you think it's just PK Bruno Fernandes contribute to our team

And he won EPL player of the month twice ......so why can't Jorginho win the same award?

Dont mind him, there problem with Bruno is that the guy has exposed the fraud. So all the assists Bruno has been giving was through the penalty spot abi. Of the 9 goals we have scored this season in the EPL Bruno has a hand in 7, he has only scored 2 PKs in that time.
Wait soon they will latch on VDB and ask him to take it simple.

nitrogen:
Okay, great. Dont tell me that De Gea, who according to you guys drop disasterclass everytime has done something of note at Utd, but Pogba has not.

UCL qualifications, trophies, really? All the trophies that we've won since 2013, Pogba was instrumental (except LVG's FA cup).

A sustained vein of form for at least half a season? haha, you sure you know what you are typing?

Player of the season.......lol, as in Man Utd player of the season? hahahaha, I am done! Polling booth award. Heck, Ander Herrera, the average 'just there' player won it in 16/17. Hernandez won it in 2010/2011........a sub player.

Oga, you have no case, na emotions dey do you like this o.

DDG has won EPL title and was in the EPL team of the season that season. He later proceeded to win Man United player of the season 4 consecutive seasons, we won EPL golden glove with 20 clean sheets a season and was voted in the team of the season 4 consecutive times. DDG is a United legend, Pogba is no where near the class of DDG, so dont sneak in Fraudgba in there like we won't notice. So DDG has done everything of note in United. That we want DDG out of the team doesn't mean anything he dropped form and calling for him to be replaced is not out of place., yes he has been phenomenal this season so far and I am not surprised and I am happy. If Pogba start playing well now we will support him, but it has been 4 years now and he's been rubbish. So dont compare him with DDG.

All the trophies we won with pogba, Rashford straight from the academy, Ibra, Mkhitaryan DDG, Herrera, Fellini and Lingard were all instrumental as well its not a buggy. The season we won those trophies Herrera was the standout player in midfield while Ibra led the attack. So tell me which season Pogba was the best player in United? That's the question you have failed to address in defending the fraud

ennyjay72:
you don't understand what he is saying

If a bad like Shaw can win your player of the season when Pogba is there,it means Pogba is worse

Cold origin for you. Bro. They said the award is rubbish and nonsense luke Shaw is winning it. But the 89m flop cannot win it

Expert17:
But Pogba can't win that same award.

Pogba should fvck off abeg

No mind am, Jogba should win the same rubbish polling booth award na

TrebleChamp:
I have been watching Pogba at United since he signed, i am still waiting to see when he will dominate midfield against any team we play against. I don't follow the bandwagon, you can dig up my post to see since when i have been criticizing Pogba game for us. Pogba is a waste of £89m

Thats one thing his fans has failed to understand. He has not done anything. That's the reason why they quickly rush to criticise Bruno, because the guy is a clear example of why Jogba is flop and a fraud. He exposed the fraud dablord
They Started with "take it simple" next it was "its only penalties" later it was that Bruno was playing 10 so more assist, he is playing i pogbas position. Very soon they will jump on VDB because that one is looking like a more competent and serious player than the flop.
If pogba has been any good we will not have been managing with Lingard and Perriera since in that no 10 position.

MRTA7:
I know its just agenda here. I'm not trying to discuss Pogba I dont really care either he stays or goes. But to use Luke Shaw winning the club's player of the year in a season everyone who watched knows he simply wasnt our best player is laughable. Luke Shaw is also one of the worst signings we've made since Fergie Left and is simply not good enough for where we want to be. Hopefully Telles performs and replaces him permanently.

You don't understand the discussion sir. Simple. I

odizeey:
Was it not that season he had issues with Jose?

I think so

nitrogen:
Okay, let break this down.....what's your definition of 'doing anything of note'? Maybe, your message is not too clear or something.

Also, while you are at it, list players that have done anything of note in the last 4 years at Man Utd.

- player of the season. Eg De gea, Bruno etc.
- Trophies
- Champions league qualifications.
- have a sustained vein of form for at least half a season.


You know what I am saying

odizeey:
So Luke Shaw is useful. Who would have thought.

You don't get my point. I ask nitrogen to tell me a single season pogba stood out since he joined us. He said 18/19 season. I told him luke Shaw won player of the season. So if a player like Luke Shaw can stand out at some points, why hasn't our 89m flop done so. The simple fact is pogba has never stood out at any point or season as the undisputed best player even when you guys said his team mates are rubbish. Those his rubbish teammates keep performing better than him

afrodoc2:
It is not me you need to convince. I have always said Pogba has a more complete skill set than Bruno. However Bruno's application of his skills is better. Pogba is allowing his talents go to waste IMO.

Meanwhile it is just below 30% and not 50%. You should check his highlights pre-United. The guy has more to give.

Nobody is doubting Pogba's talent and skill set. Its clearly better than that of Bruno. But if Bruno keep delivering at key moments, then we have to make a decision between untapped potential and result.

nitrogen:
Same Luke Shaw that you guys are saying that he has been useless since he got to Utd. He has not done half of what he did at Southampton now, you've forgotten?

Same set of people concluded that DeGea is BS, he should be sold.......CapitalCee, you need some bottles of Origin.......

Yes Luke Shaw is bad sometimes, but that's to show you the kind of people standing out to be counted, but Pogba cannot in his 4 years at the club

nitrogen:
And that's why he is the numbers guy. Penalties should make over 50 percent of his goals. In terms of assists, yes, he has a lot because he plays the number 10 role. Pogba does not even need to play as a 10 before dropping assists and even scoring goals. Check 18/19 Pogba stats.

If he like let penalties be all his goals. Any player that want to take the penalty responsibility should do so. Bruno is not the reason pogba doesn't know how to take PKs

TrebleChamp:
Bro i don't do stat, i base my judgement on what i see a player do on the pitch. Fraudgba is a rubbish signing and he is playing rubbish after 4 years plus...

� � �. Even stat wise seft, he is rubbish

nitrogen:
What are you smoking now? What about 2018/2019 season? Nawa o

Jose has personal issues with Pogba, so forget the virus thing.....same thing we would see happen between Bruno and OGS if things thong get better!

Luke Shaw was the player of the season not Pogba, he even played down the award as nobody deserved any accolade that season, that was the season you were telling me pogba stood out. Pogba did not do anything extraordinary. When we needed him to do something reasonable when we were chasing top 4, he kept dropping disasterclasses on matchday basis.

odizeey:
Same Bruno you guys were saying should keep it simple ABI.

Let's stop acting like Pogba has not done something of note in this club. It's unfair. I brought overall 2019 stat. I don't know if that stuff is not credible again.

Men I no really understand.

No reasonable person will tell Bruno to keep anything simple. Those people are pogba fanboys. Pogba has not done anything of note at the club.its been 4 years now

timay:
Even at 100M, Baba will still push for him because for a player like Kane , in this spoilt Transfer fee era, 100M is not too much to pay for Harry Kane who is still young and would have given like 7 or more years to the team. Have you guys forgotten we bought a 29year old RVP with one year left on his contract for 36M in 2012. For that time, it was like overpaying for someone that will be a free agent in 6 months. Yet Baba still buy am.

£24m still big at that time though

timay:
Oga , the club activated that one year option, because there is a possibility of getting some money out of him if the likes of Madrid come around .

Why didn't they offer him new contract if the club actually fancied having for more time

Thank you. Pogba is done, I don't even mind if we let him go for free in 2 years time

nitrogen:
My God! Maybe you did not watch Utd at that time. Meanwhile, most of our big games were dominated by players like Pogba, Rashford, Ibra, even Martial.

Again, the streets are unforgiving. It's so sad!

I have a question, why is Pogba effective when playing for France?

I don't care what he does for France. There players that does well in national team even if they are not world class. Pogba should be good everywhere.

nitrogen:
How many penalties has Pogba taken in the EPL, what is the success rate? Infact, how many penalties were awarded to Utd between 2016 and 2019 vs 19/20 season? Can you back your assertions with numbers/facts?

OGS plays one system, we all know it, and it's aparent that it does not work for Pogba, simple! When OGS was relying on Counter-attacks, who was always the ochestrator. You guys are fickle!

I won't bother with any numbers but Pogba was rubbish at penalties and he missed quite a few. When he was our designated PK taker we got a good number of PKs and his success rate was very average. As a Man United fan if you get a crucial PK now who would you prefer to take it? Pogba or Bruno?

OGS is not the only manager that played him at United, Jose got frustrated with him and even called him a virus. Name one single season Pogba has stood out as the stand out player.

Nezzjnr:
Just a reminder that Sir Alex played Wazza out of position just to accommodate RVP.... Wazza was still banging in goals and never made his grievances known to the club


If we can get a good deal on Pogba... We should sell asap abeg

Thank you very much. We must apply Beer-Lambert equation to figure out the best place to play him. Almost every midfielder in this world have to at one point or the other play out of position, your quality will still show if you are good and serious

-Flamini played LB in Arsenal UCL in 2006.

-Essien played RB in a lot Chelsea's big games even in the UCL final in Moscow and assisted lampard goal.

-Rooney has played CF, SS, RWF, LWF, AMF, CM all at United and still ended up as club record scorer.

-Even small Mount and Havertz have played everywhere apart from DM within these few weeks.
-Even Bruno has played CM, LW, AM and SS since he came.

-Fletcher plays everywhere from RW, LW, DM, CDM, AM even at Right back sometimes. And I can guarantee you that Pogba with all his carry shoulders haven't done half of what Fletcher did at united

-Giggs was brought in to replace suspended Scholes in 1999 final as CAM and he assisted one goal and did well.
-Hargreaves played RB in semifinals vs Barca when Vidic was injured to shift Brown to Central defence. And played RW in the final with Chelsea to accommodate both Carrick and Scholes.

I can go on and on. But Pogba fan boys have blamed everything blamable just to make excuses for that useless Bakayoko with more social media followers

nitrogen:
What are your points? What has Bruno done? Why would someone say what you just said? You've forgotten the french combination, Pogba-Ibra combo, Pogba-Rashford, Pogba against City, Pogba against Chelsea, Europa cup win, 2nd position in the league etc.. Bruno has not even done 1 year at United.

Your matter tire me o.

Which Pogba Ibra combo? Nothing special with it. How many assist pogba give Ibra?
The rest you are just picking few matches fir 4 good years. I can also pick matches where Jones and Rojo where unplayable. Our Europa league win was courtesy of winners from Rashford and Mkhitaryan at the later stage and Ibra at early stage. Bruno has not done one year but he handed us CL football on the plate when all hope is gone

KingAlabi:
Bruno played 80% of the time in sporting as a 10

Pogba hasn't played that position 40% in his lifetime

And the few times I have seen he played there he didn't drop consistent performance

Don't mind him defending the indefensible. Even in United the first few games Bruno played were as a CM. He still won man of the match in both games

nitrogen:
Bruno is doing nothing that Pogba has not done before, so take it easy abeg. Bruno plays all the penalties and is manning the number 10 position which gives him the chance to rack up assists.

Pogba loses the ball as a 10, Bruno gives the ball away as a 10........when playing counter-attacks, Bruno no near Pogba, pass accuracy nko? Bruno no reach. Pogba is just a victim of circumstances. Systems changed, and it does not favor him. Just change the system and watch him excel.

Not like the current system is even good.

Odiegwu, that's what we keep hearing from Pogba fan boys. Let him show it if he has it. Bruno is showing it with numbers, commitments, character and team effort. All we keep hearing of pogba is how he is good, show it kwanu on the pitch, whosai. Stop the penalty argument biko, pogba was once our pk taker and he was rubbish in it. Bruno plays PK well hence his designation. The ability to hold your nerve and convert a penalty is also part of being good. Stop making excuses for the expensive flop.

Change system for pogba.
Buy 2 World class CDM for Pogba.
Sack manager for pogba.
Play him 10, play him 6, play him from the left, play him from the right. Play him everywhere.
Figure out his best position.
Unlock pogba.
Remove defensive responsibilities from pogba.
Do everything for pogba, yet pogba doesn't want to do anything for the team.

The same system and players you guys are complaining about since, Bruno came in and won EPL player of the month consecutively and was in the team of the year, and was the club player of the year. yet he is not near pogba in everything.

nitrogen:
Mehn, these streets are rough and unforgiving! You guys get carried away so easily, also, both dont play same role, so why the comparison? Maybe we play double 10, and get both of them to share penalties, and you'll see that Pogba is also a numbers guy.

Not a fair thing to say!

Bruno is not just penalties guy, look inwards. If you can't see my points then I don't know what to say.

That they don't play the same role is not the point here. For example Matic has contributed more to United than Sanchez.

timay:
They want Pogba that likes slowing games down with excessive dribbles to play 10

A position that you'll have very little space to work with, so you'll need to be fast , think fast, because when the ball gets to you , it's always in the opposing area where you are easily closed down. If Pogba plays Bruno role, Una go curse am las las

His real role is in the deep or as a CM. It's just that Ole wants quick passing and movements, but Pogba won't give you that and he can't chase ball when we are on the back foot like the way Mctominay, Fred or Bruno dey chase players like thief

People sometimes say Bruno has a poor game but most of the times, the movement of the forward line are not at sync at all. Look at his link up play with VDB and Mata very sleek. And his (bruno) position is the must difficult and complex in the team, because he is tasked with finding space in oppositions half. The only thing we demanded from Pogba is just to be serious and orchestrate play from deep, yet he fails always with all the tasks given to him.

In less than just a year Bruno has done more than what pogba has done totally in 4 years.