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idowuswap: Igbos na goat b4 hausa see how then slaughter them like chinken.and then say na then be brave men.common hausa wey no get sense.kill them like flies .kudos 2 yorubasss

PAGAN 9JA:
you will see many soon. we are not boko haram and are not meant to be. some things have just gone wrong in recent times.

many of us practice openly. some of us do it in private due to problems. our Hausa muslim neigbours are aware but they generally overlook it. sometimes the fanatic ones try to make attempts to convert us especially mosque leaders, local imam, etc.

recently we have seen a large influx of european christian missionaries into our areas who are trying hard to convert us. but the muslims drive them away because being Hausa, they prefer us to christans. it is a very strange balance right now but our condition can worsen anytime soon. more prone to christian conversions are those in the extreme East areas near Niger, Kotangara, etc. there are other Hausa sub-tribe too , with their own version of Hasua religion. the demand for us generally rises during important festivalsm durbars of emirs, Saarkis, etc. this is because we represent the real Hausa and know the right way to display culture. Our priests even bless the annual Argungu Fishing Festival.

wirinet: I am perplex by your post above, it does not qualify as a debate or argument. It is just an incoherent blabber. You left the topic at hand and started blabbing nonsense.

Let me respond to your personal attacks.
1. I am not young and anything but ignorant. I am sure i am older and more educated than you. I hold a masters degree in architecture, i studied extensively histories of african societies through their architecture. So i appreciate arab and european influences on our culture much more than you could ever do.

2. I honestly do not know how you came to these assumptions or how it has any bearing to the topic at hand. Are you sure you did not type the above after an abuse of a banded substance?

3. Repetition of no. 1, so refer to my answer for no. 1.

If you want to educate me that the Oyo empire was created before the coming of the Europeans that is before the 14th century, why not show me the link or refer me to the book. That is what a supposedly educated person would do.

wirinet: My friend you lie or you are simply ignorant. Let me repeat load and clear "THERE WERE NO WARS IN BLACK AFRICA BEFORE THE COMING OF THE WHITE MAN - ARABS AND EUROPEANS". Even the wikipedia link you provided shows islamic influences in the first empires in black africa - songhai, mali and kanem bornu empires.

The Benin and Oyo empires were the influenced by the Europeans, who armed the kings to the detriment of their neighbours, first for slave trade and later for agricultural trade.

Before the white man came an african had no need to conquer and dominate his neighbour. That was why we had so many small tribes cohabiting within a small geographical space.

So please give me just one example of pre-arab/european war in black africa.

PAGAN 9JA:
i am Maguzawa Hausa. i worship Lord Saarkin Aljinnu, the Dark Spirit , the Chief of all other Godly piritual Forces and the Creator in whom resides the light and vice versa. (the forces must be balanced).

Sarki Aljinnu = lodumare = Chukwu = Zeus = Brahma = Pan' Gu' = N'Gai = Ahura Mazda = Allah (Pagan one) = all of the below:


Abassi
Abira
Adroa
Ahone
Ahura Mazda
Aiomun-Kondi
Alatangana
Altjira
Amotken
Amun
Anansi
Anulap
Aramazd
Awonawilona
Bagadjimbiri
Bai-Ulgan
Baiame
Banaitja
Batara Kala
Bathala
Brahma
Bunjil
Cagn
Cghene
Chaotroquin
Chirakan-Ixmucane
Cocijo
Daksha
Damballa
Enki
Eskeri
Gitche Manitou
Great Spirit
Heryshaf
Hœnir
Huracan

forster: The bible especially the old testament is nothing but the history of the jews. It therefore baffles me why any same man would choose to propagate another man's at the expense of his own history as is the case in africa.
That africa is underdeveloped today is cos we have chosen to abandon our histoty/ tradition and run after an alien religion and culture. Asian countries are where they are today cos they held tightly to their religion/ culture and refused to trade them for any other.
Time has come for africa to retrace its steps cos if we continue in this direction we are headed we would always play 3rd class citizen in the affairs of the world.

PAGAN 9JA:
what do you mean by "in the days of Sango, Amadioha", etc??

The Gods are still being worshipped. we are not dead yet. stop branding us as history. we were the past, are the present and will be the future.

MacDaddy01: Please, you rely on that Wikipedia quote to learn about Yoruba history? That yoruba people had slaves which they sacrificed? lolololol. Or were they sacrificing enemies from other tribes or tribal wars? Is Dahomey in Naija?

Lmao. Are you a yoruba person? If not, go and ask Yoruba peeps to educate you.


As for the main point why are you trying to reduce the chattel slavery of yur religion. Did yorubas ship(like the christian Europeans did to Africans) each other like sardines so close that they shyt on each other? Did they chain and whip them to work on farms?



My dear friend stop castigating the christians and Arabs. Africans were also involved in slavery either by capturing or buying and selling. You know so much about foreign slavery because they had books which documented it whereas Africa never documented it in written form but had only oral tales. SLAVERY NA SLAVERY whether servant or watever. Hell there is even modern day slavery and nobody is talking about it. Example.

1 you work for a company for months without pay
2 you hire a househelp and pay peanut or promise to train her but dont or take her to local school which ur children will never attend.
3 Abuja people take your oil and enslave your people to poverty. Hence millitants like MEND spring up to EMANCIPATE YOUR PEOPLE.

It is easy to blame others while we are also involved.



Your christian religion is a slave religion

MacDaddy01: Liar. There is no record of slavery in West Africa before foriegners. Prisoners of war were beheaded or killed. In my village, it is called efa. In the past, enemy tribes were sacrificed or killed. Slaves were never sold as a commodity.




Farm labour came from the wives and the many children of men in those days. Why would we need slaves? Even the king had servants and the servants had their own living quarters and did not serve in chains where I come from in Niger delta.




Keep lying against you ancestors to protect your foriegn religion

wirinet: Black Africa never practiced slavery before the coming of the Europeans and Arabs, like religion and language, slavery was imposed on black Africa. There were also no record of wars in pre-colonial black Africa, we were sold weapons and taught how to kill and conquer each other.

Ptolomeus: Nobody said it needed one thing or another.
Every human being is free to select.
Now, when an illiterate Christian assaults without information, there is a right to explain that all the ills of Africa are not due to traditional religion, but to the acculturation, sense of inferiority, mental slavery and taught the conquerors.

lagerwhenindoubt: Thank Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution for that.. when you think of it, a lot of English-typing, clear-minded thinkers have the missionaries to thank for evolving beyond the bush we were used to