₦airaland Forum

obiZEAL:
Mr. Catalyst4real, goodevening.
In Life, especially in politics, we judge people by their deeds and not their intentions, In the early part of your debate you said Godfathers have good intentions for our polity, but the situation inherent in our country Nigerias suggest differently, we have seen Godfathers lay claim on the treasuries of their godson's office and that is not compatible with effective leadership.
Sir, you also said you don't see Godfatherism standing in the way of installing credible leadership, I beg to disagree and I will do that by referring you to my debate where I outlined cases of Godfatherism, the general trend in nigeria is; the man with the most influential Godfather gets elected...so you can't say Godfatherism don't influence the installation of leaders.
And Lastly you spoke much about an ideal situation, but we are talking about the real situation that is obtainable in Nigeria as directed by the debate topic, so your whole argument is to an extent flawed and does not apply to the Nigerian situation.
The way forward for Nigeria, is to, among other reforms, extinguish political Godfatherism.

To start with, I say nothing about intentions

And yes, Godfatherism doesn't in any way stand in the way of production of effective leaders.

You say the man with the most influential Godfather gets elected.
I have a question for you, "The 2015 presidential election, I believe president Buhari won because he had the most influential godfather, right? "

Name : Catalyst4real

Institution : A.B.U Zaria


Topic: The Extinction Of Godfatherism In Contemporary Nigerian Politics -- A panacea for effective leaders.

Stance: Against


I unequivocally recognize the presence of the unbiased judges, the coordinators, my honourable colleague, Abuklaw, the tenacious opponents and my intelligible audience.

What is Godfatherism? It can in clear context be depicted from the word "god" and "father"
Meaning godly in nature and fatherly in principle.

I implore you to let that echo in your minds, the architectural motive behind the evolution of godfathers is to have an experienced role model to look up to, who is godly in nature and fatherly in principle.

>>>>>>>>>>>The Inception<<<<<<<<<<
Godfatherism is as old as politics itself, it gained popularity following the movie "THE GODFATHER" directed by Francis Coppola

As the movie depicts, godfathers were never pioneered to select leaders, but to direct leaders, not to mesmerise leaders, but to orient leaders, not for the purpose of embezzlement, but for the furnishing of the elect, not to gratify self desires and personal needs or greed, But to uplift and build a nation.

Godfathers were established to serve as mentors, as role models and as guides to the succeeding leaders, to nurture and to train; All for the promotion of good governance and in exchange for "NOTHING" other than National progress.


>>>>>>>>>The Misconception<<<<<<<<<<<
With utmost assurance, at this stage, I expect my opponents to have garrulously and intricately divulged on how Godfatherism is a sole malignant engineer of political corruption in contemporary Nigeria.

And I couldn't agree more, but about it's extinction I am resolutely defiant .

The symbiotic relationship between democracy and godfatherism started eons ago. Democracy, politics and godfatherism have been the three major and harmonious elements of governance. So, in a true democratically oriented political environment, the trio work hand in glove.


Owing to political ossification, some eggheads are groaning beneath godfatherism, depleting it's prior motive and tarnishing it's sole purpose; Nigerian politics has dilapidated this sublime culture and zapped the nectar from it's life force.

Godfatherism has been abused and manipulated for personal gain, it is now a field for the exasperation of greed and an avenue for wealth acquisition. How pitiful!!!

As perversely as this culture may have been re-engineered, it's dilaceration will be more inimical than logical.

There was a time when godfatherism stood for mentorship, that is the very time we need to relive, relay and rediscover.

It is characteristic of humans to look for who to blame or what to blame when things acutely take an ugly turn.

The corruption and manipulation in Godfatherism is what we need to extinguish, not godfatherism itself. If we suddenly start eliminating every tenets of the society that have been stained by corruption, then we'll wake up someday to have nothing left. Corruption has it's roots in almost all branches of this country, even in the grass level; I believe in change.

>>>>>>The Way Forward<<<<<<<<<<<<
It is highly preposterous to think that the elimination of godfatherism ultimately open doors to producing effective leaders; No!!! That is not the answer we seek, we need competent leaders; Selfless leaders who hunger for the growth and excellence of this great nation Nigeria, leaders who'll rather starve than watch this country dwindle and decay, leaders with national pride, leaders filled with immutable integrity and love towards uplifting Nigeria; And I do not in anyway see godfatherism standing in the way of the emanation of leaders with the above listed idiosyncrasies.

Prof. Kenneth Taylor, a H.O.D In a certain high institution walked into a 400L philosophy class and asked the students a simple question. "What would you do, if made the president of Nigeria for 24 hours?"
The responses he received weren't too far away from expectation; they were all self-seeking, stained with self acquisition, having no plans whatsoever to make this country a better place.
That's as bad as it has gotten.

Godfatherism is not the hindrance against producing effective leaders but our unpatriotism and lack of love for our nation.

The corruption, the manipulations, the crime, the insurgence, the vandalism, the perpetration and the animosity in Nigerian politics aren't really the problems pulling this country down, all these are symptoms; Symptoms of lack of love for Nigeria.

We're looking for a culture to eliminate? This is the starting point.

Quite frankly, when we look at developed countries like U.S.A, we get drenched in envy and all we see is the present glory, but behind all that glamour are leaders who have made sacrifices for their nation.
With love, comes sacrifice.


You know where it gets more interesting? America also practices godfatherism, it plays a huge role in United state's government, and yet, they thrive almost impeccably.
I assure you, godfatherism is far from the problem Nigeria faces in producing effective leaders.

Godfatherism use to be a glamorous umpire of good governance, an epitaph of beauty and admiration, a propellant and the very backbone of national reformation.

We live in a country where every leader comes in with a promise, void promises most of the time.
I can never blame godfatherism for our inability to produce competent, uncompromising leaders.
Until our love for Nigeria outweighs our differences and quest for self luxury, progress will remain mythical.






Reference
>(Godfatherism and Democracy)
phemmynaija..co.ke/2011/01/godfatherism-phemmynaija..co.ke-democracy.html?m=1

>(History of Godfatherism)
https://naudigitallibrary./tag/history-of-godfatherism-in-nigeria/

>(Influence of Godfatherism in Nigeria)
www.iproject.com.ng/political-science/final-year-project-topics/the-influence-of-godfatherism-in-nigeria-politics-in-the-fourth-republic-the-role-of-education/project-topics

Fynestboi do we wait for Unijos to finish posting their debate before posting ours?

Fynestboi, my colleague, Abuklaw, has been hospitalized, due to Typhoid fever.
please try and extend the date of the debate, which is scheduled for 27th

I say this with all honesty on behalf of Abu Zaria.

Imagine the huge difference in decency

I like it

penplayer:
I'm not being aggressive and I'm sorry if I sound like that. I was telling you that PPP is majorly financed by the private sector. How is the money coming from the government again. Or are private firms funded by the government? I've listed the efficiency in the essay I submitted and unfortunately my partner didnt show up.

Alright, you did sound aggressive though, sorry about your partner.he's probably an Arsenal fan

penplayer:
The partnership is meaningless if the project's are financed by the government. Just stop please. Your essay arguments were pointed otherwise.
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If the government is rich enough, why is Nigeria in debt and still on the brink of another. Nigeria can not finance every infrastructure that she needs to reach international standards. That's why we borrow to make up and we are suggesting PPP to ensure debts are reduced by having Private firms build infrastructures.

Keep your aggresuon aside and argue reasonably please.
Assuming the PPP is approved in Nigeria, the private corporations are expected to finance themselves right?

So the government won't have to borrow revenue right?
Extremely myopic statement you made up there, either public-private or public-public partnership, one thing remains the same, the revenue still comes from the government.

The basis of this argument is "Efficiency"

If PPP is an efficient way of building infrastructure in Nigeria, that is the argument.

And based on the indelible arguments my partner and I have laid down, you just got served

penplayer:
Government is not entirely excused from building infrastructures. They are just being aided by private firms. I mentioned that Nigeria's government is not rich enough to create all the infrastructures Nigeria Needs.

A failled PPP is borne by private firms and not the government please. So the question of image doesn't apply here. The private firms bear all the risk.

As for lekki toll fee. Not every government decision goes down well with the populace and I'll assume it's one of such.

I disagree with you sir
In the private-public partnership, the government finances the contracts.

How then can you say the government is not rich enough to finance infractures in Nigeria themselves? When in the real sense. The financial workload lies on the government

Obinoscopy:
So are you saying that Remita isn't increasing the nation's wealth? The FG intends using the funds generated from Remita to fund part of it's 2016 budget, a wong move?

Who pays Remita? Both public and private institutions pay Remita.

But the private institutions pay higher, and because they have to pay higher, they continuosly charge higher.

Who bears the real burden? Consumers. You and I
Is that your definition of "Generating revenue?"

Obinoscopy:
Catalyst4real, you said PPPs don't generate revenue. How about the likes of Remita? Please clarify.

Weldone once again guys.

On a more speculative note, yes private institution generate funds, which is neither beneficial to the economy, the masses or the government. But for the sole growth of the private institution.

So as far as generating revenue that could be useful in increasing a nation's wealth is concerned, ppp do not generate revenue.

penplayer:
Well, if the government bears the full financial burden, then the use of partnership is meaningless. And your stance that citizens will be impoverished holds no ground. In most PPP, private sector bears most of the financial burden. If you can't agree to that stance then the basis of your argument is weak. Don't you think?

Not so fast Bro.
Yes you're right, the purpose of the partnership is meaningless and unpragmatic in a struggling society like Nigeria

Even after the government confers the financial burden, it doesn't get to the right source, the loss in revenue would have been overlooked if it is able to achieve its purpose, But it doesn't.

PPP is not the way Forward

penplayer:
I'm sorry I couldnt quote each because of my browser.

You mentioned that the government pays taxes to the private sectors. The government according to what I know doesn't pay taxes. Or why would it need to. Rather the private firm pays taxes to the government on their revenue.
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You were stereotypical when you mentioned that companies seek profit and profit alone without caring for the project quality. How will a firm make profit if it renders facilities of low qualities? There are terms of contract in a project and that requires that the private firms fulfils their end of the deal.

PPP has governments hand in it. So your stance that private services are expensive is wrong. I stand to be corrected. A partnership ensures that citizens enjoy infrastructural benefits. Do not confuse ppp projects with privately owned establishments. There are projects that is privately owned. Some are publicly owned. PPP projects are major projects like roads or bridges and are simply accrued to the government tho financed by private firms.

Private-public partnership is divided into two, the full private-public partnership and the partial.
In the full, the government bears the whole financial burden and any aspect of the contract that involves finance, tax inclusive
While in the partial, the government funds the contract and the private institution pays for its tax.
The full is the most common.

penplayer:
In this case, the reason for partnership has majorly been for finance. The PPP projects are financed by the government. If you read my essay carefully, i mentioned that the PPP will make sure that the money the lenders and private firms have invested will be monitored to make sure they earn returns. Please read thru to get the notion of PPP.

Transparency- When there is nothing to hide.

You didn't really answer the question sire, if you have to monitor an operation, it is for the fear of it getting ugly.
There is no such fear in public-public partnership.

Thanks for the reply

Penplayer, you said and I quote

"The partnership of the public and private sector and the accountability that is demanded from investors and lenders inevitably promotes transparency and good governance."

How does private-public partnership promote transparency?

Because even to a layman, it is more transparent and stress-free to do something yourself than to pay someone to do the job for you.

Name: Catalyst4real

School: Ahmadu Bello University

Stance: Against


A public-private partnership(PPP) is a contract between government and private sectors, under which, A private company finances, builds and operates some elements of a public service and in return, the private company gets paid over a number of years, either through charges paid by users(Known as concessions) or by payments from the public authorities or both.

I am in solemn recognition of the exquisite judges, my opponents and the uncompromising viewers

The propelling fuel of every private institution, infrastructure or company is profit making and profit maximization continuously.
And most times the profit margin of these private sectors is in no way favourable to the peasants and the insolvent masses.

Look around you; How many people can afford private hospitals? How many parents can afford to send their children to very expensive private universities, like Igbinideon, Bingham, Covenant and the likes? Only a handful.

The first and foremost objective of any private corporation is to maximize profit, it is not to help make the country a better place, it is not to supply the economy with valuable infrastructures, neither is it to make life easier for the common man, it is always about making profit at all cost

The pressure bounces back to public institutions, haven't you noticed?

There are always too many patients in public hospitals, too many university applicants striving to fit into the very meagre available slots in public universities.

Is that really what we want to promote in Nigeria?

Poverty haunts about 91.4% of Nigerians, 52.7% of Nigerians can barely feed themselves.

These high interest rates incurred by the private institutions, do not favor the masses; And indeed, the poor are getting poorer.

Are the Private sectors to be blamed for their high interest rates, which is totally unfavorable to the masses? No

Financial crisis has made it difficult for private companies to raise finance without raising the interest rates to monstrous heights.

Banks are also unwilling to offer long term loans to private corporations, In fact by mid 2009, Companies had to pay loan interest rates, 4 percent higher than governments'.

Why not leave the infrastructural developments in the hands of the government then?

One would expect that in the Public-private partnership, the private sectors help in developing a nation, thereby easing the government, while the government on the other hand, will have more time to face other national issues and less burdens to deal with.

But that is never the real situation, It is just a false hope that has meandered deeply into the hearts of the gullible.

Using the past as reference, the private corporations have a history of not meeting their end of the bargain.

Which brings us to the primary Demerit; The very issue of corruption.

Pubic-Private partnership makes up one of the most corrupt alliance in the global economy.

A certain private company in the U.S, known as Ernon, ransacked and embezzled money from the U.S government by lying about it's assets and exaggerating the estimated demand, this certain company embezzled money for years without being noticed.

This is a very common practice, and it is ongoing.

Some Private companies in charge of road construction, collect massive revenue from the government and what do they do with it?

They use only a fraction of the sum in constructing fallible roads with cheap, not-up-to-standard materials, roads with a lifespan of 6 months, instead of the standard, which is 10 years.

Then the pot holes creep in, the accidents multiply and the mortality rate gyrates

Meanwhile the greater fraction of the money gotten from the contract is channeled to satisfy their greed.

Nigeria has suffered from corruption in years past, and is still suffering from it. Quenching the flames of corruption is never an easy task, but that doesn't mean we should create more rooms for it.

Public-private partnership is definitely not the way forward for Nigeria.


Are you aware that Public-private partnership doesn't in any way generate revenue? It is not a technique to diversify Nigeria's economy.

As a matter of fact, instead of generating revenue, the private sectors play a great role in consuming the government's revenue as well as the masses.

- The government pays for taxes of these private sectors

- The private sectors still generates revenue from public consumers

- The government pays a percentage cost of running the service of these private sectors

And what does the government, financially gets in return, Nothing!

The private-public partnership may have a few unnoticed advantages, but the gap between the advantage and the disadvantage is too wide.

And I am firmly without any doubt, against the full implementation of this alliance in Nigeria.

A lot of developed countries have abandoned this system of private-public partnership due to it's fatal Demerits and embraced the new system of public-public partnership.

A fool learns from his own experience, but a wise man, learns from other people's experience.

Why should a struggling country like Nigeria be open to an economy system, soon to be exiled?




Reference
>Why Public-Private partnership don't work. By David Hall, PSIRU

( http://www.world-psi.org/sites/default/files/rapport_eng_56pages_a4_lr.pdf)

>Corruption, lies and secrets in the Public-private partnership, By Rosa Pavanelli

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