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kolaish:
Does the bible says that I will not make heaven if I am paying my tithe to the church? NO. Therefore, I don't have any problem paying it.

You amuse me, you are doing it wrongly oga! Why can't you all read Deuteronomy 14!

Even if you want to continue paying your tithe, just know that Doing it wrongly means disobeying God's directive and you know God doesn't like disobedience. If you must pay tithe, pay it the right way!!

Junia:
Jesus called it a law
Jesus even existed before the world
Infact He is God
So if God called it a law
Who are you to call it a Kingdom principle ??

Abeg, help me ask am

captainrock:
you did not make dis kind of research when u were writing ur project o, just because u cnt do away with 10% n u are just selfish. so pastors shud eat wind because they r nt humans.

What do they do with the offerings, prophet seed, first fruit and the rest??

snowblaq:
.....as intelligent as you claim to be..you dont even know when to use the word....have..... ....

@ least my message was passed loud and clear ... and i just read somewhere now where you cried over what you claimed to be a 'typo error' because you were corrected but here you are doing the same thing that made you want to pull of your head and eat it

Weldon ma

Keep looking for fault when you are FAULT personalized. You had better go and correct that statement, God can not die.

snowblaq:
...did the death of God also put an end to giving offrrings and doin the right things according to His will?....you know the truth..stop justifying your wrongs with old and New testaments....Your tithes belong to God....pay it

Read that below and be wise to do things correctly

Have you tried to find out why Tithe was paid at all? God separated the levites from their brothers (The Children of Israel) to be His Priest. This separation made them forfeit there lands and goods in Israel to a total service to God. This land Originally belong to all the Children of Israel and the levites are descendant of Levi, a direct son of Jacob who God separated with his descendants to be priest unto him. Because of this calling to serve God and forfeiture of landed properties, God now instructed their brothers and their descendants to give one 10th of all they acquired from the land, to sustain there brothers who where part owners of these lands and therefore are entitled to what is gotten from it. But they where separated by God. Compare that to today Pastors who own landed properties, Universities and all... do they have the moral standing to accept tithe going by the reason why God instituted tithe? Think, read and be wise... Give your tithe to the poor... and Men of God willingly NOT because they coerce you to do so...God bless

DeKen:
Hebrews 7:5-10New International Version (NIV)

5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.

Please go back and read from verse 1-3 of the same chapter.

You just purposely cut out a section that says what suits your aim and left the other. This is the same thing I have been talking about Why do that!!

Now read from beginning of that verse, especially verse 3

snowblaq:
...and the best way to make yourself feel better is to insult ....yet you claim to be correcting someone from the scriptures......God go really get wetin to judge on the last day....its alryt tho...dont give urself high bp where u r trying to make ur self feel better....i do hope you are alright now ...hv a nice evening

Lol, it was not an insult!! It was a fact!!! And going by your comments on this thread, it's the gospel truth. But am not surprised you see it as an insult though, because you know what they say about truth??

Truth hurts!! So I understand

snowblaq:
...and you wont be judged....please take your own advice....

Lol, I opened this thread to discuss with intelligent and sound minded people and not feeble minds like you, don't even know why I responded to your mention in the first (well, I thought she had something intelligent to add)

Now shoo away, your presence have been acknowledged

snowblaq:
....yh..its a pity the kind of mentality u have...and you shld really b sorry for yourself

It seems like you forgot to take back your brain from the church entrance after church today, please go back and do so. #sheeple

snowblaq:
...did the death of God also put an end to giving offrrings and doin the right things according to His will?....you know the truth..stop justifying your wrongs with old and New testaments....Your tithes belong to God....pay it

Please it's the death of Christ and not God, God can never die. I thought Christ's death freed us from all the laws of the old.

If your church do not give God burnt offering, why do they want to collect tithe. They both are laws of the old, why take away the one that does not suit them and keep the one that does. You better read your bible and pay your tithe correctly if you want to pay it, else you will be judged on the last day on it.

snowblaq:
...you dont know where your God is?....please swerve.....

You Call him my God and still say I don't know where he is, are you not confused? I just pity your kind madam, it's a pity and am sorry

snowblaq:
....its not ur business wat ur tithe is being used for....as far as u obey God first by paying it....those who use it are answerable to God....so simply do ur part by paying it....cos iv come to understand that people who talk like you are just those who do not want to pay their tithes and hence defend their act by saying the pastors are not using it well....let God be the judge.

Have you ever thought that God might just punish you severely for Giving your tithe to the wrongly? Go and buy a bible if you do not have. The word of God is there for you, we are not talking about offering here, but tithe. Now read up those verses in Deuteronomy about tithe and help yourself do the right thing.

snowblaq:
...did the death of God also put an end to giving offrrings and doin the right things according to His will?....you know the truth..stop justifying your wrongs with old and New testaments....Your tithes belong to God....pay it

Come and collect it

ndcide:
Thanks anyway. I know you are not as intelligent as myself.

However, what I did was to address the spirit of the question and it's implications. The wise and those who are sensitive will understand. Not every cryptic post on nairaland can be understood by all. Those who can't take it, fight it.

May I reiterate,

Those who want to be Christians indeed should be mindful anti giving campaigns. The objective is a satanic wealth exchange.

Even in the kingdom of darkness, giving is taking very seriously.

Christians, should not be ignorant of the devices of the devil. Manipulation CAN NEVER BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IF IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO SWALLOW, READ THE CONVERSATION OF THE SERPENT AND EVE in Genesis 3:1-7 and think deeply about it.

I'm not going to open a thread for this.

Again, A word is enough for the wise.

This is more of a pro-giving campaign thread. No one says you should not give, infact giving wholeheartedly to someone in need is pleasant aroma/sight and sweet music to God.

Now, what this thread is seeking to find is the justification in giving our tithes to Pastors when we have poor people and widows in the society.

...and I would advice you that you should desist from playing mind game by trying to scare people into doing what you believe in by quoting off scriptures, it no longer works. Give us reasons with appropriate scriptures relating to it on why some things should be so. We are talking about tithe and you are talking about giving, even quoting scriptures.

DeKen:
Levites still had possessions, lands, farms, beast etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4.

Possessions which were given to them, they on their own did not source for the lands, farms or beast, the other tribes of Israel gave it to them freely from their own inheritance since they (Levites) have none.

Sibrah:
What Jesus was saying that verse is that they were not paying enough attention to those other things. That doesn't make tithe any less important than they were treating it. Re-read Mathew 23:23 again please.

Are we really supposed to pay tithe to our present day pastor's?

DonX001:
I'm really impressed by all those your comments and responses on 1st page of this thread.....highly intelligent without being argumentative.
I was just clicking 'Like' dey go on all your 1st page comments... lol

Lol, thanks

plainbibletruth:
When God established the tithe he said it was to be 10% of Israel’s AGRICULTURAL produce. There was MONEY in use then but God still specified it as farm produce. In fact under certain conditions God allowed that they could TURN THEIR TITHE into MONEY (i.e. convert the tithe into money by selling them), take the money to where they are to tithe and use the money to buy back the tithe items for observance of the tithe. NO MONEY was used in TITHING!



So, if you must tithe, do it God’s way as clearly prescribed in his Word. Failure to follow God’s clearly laid down procedure is tantamount to DISOBEDIENCE!

Word!

Sibrah:
What Jesus was saying that verse is that they were not paying enough attention to those other things. That doesn't make tithe any less important than they were treating it. Re-read Mathew 23:23 again please.

Are we supposed to pay tithe to all these pastors who are not even of Levi or we are to give to the poor, widows and less privileged in the society

adanny01:
I met an Indian who is a Buddhist and his wife a Muslim. He told me he got interested in the two religions (Christianity and Islam) and studied them. From his personal understanding he said, Christians do misinterpret the Bible likewise Muslims.

The particular question he asked me was, "Why do Christians read only a single verse and try to derive meaning from it when the verse is actually a point in context of the whole chapter or book?" He said, that way meanings are lost in translation or translation easily deviated from the context of the book or Chapter.

He said, if he where to be a pastor, he will never preach without reading to the congregation the entire book and giving a brief history of the book to properly deliver a message in context. I understand with him and subsequently in my private studies of the bible, it makes more sense to read the entire chapter and even the previous chapters and know the history of the book i am studying.

My point for the long epilogue is that, when you quote a single verse to buttress a point, the point will always be a myopic one. Those verses you quoted, read the entire chapter and you will understand it differently than reading only a verse.

Now the Op made a lot of sense because the Book of Deuteronomy is a book of sermons delivered to the people of Israel by Moses on their way to the promised land while Malachi is a prophetic book of the prophet Malachi whose actual author is still debated. Tithing was extensively described in the Book of Deuteronomy and by extension Moses. One would expect that when tithe is to be preached, Deuteronomy is more suitable as main readings and Malachi as supporting readings but thats not the case. Most pastors preach tithing with Malachi 3:10 which gives a convenient summary to tithing. I have never heard a pastor preach with the entire Deuteronomy 14 which is more detailed.

You quoted a lot of verses among which is Deut 14:28,29


The mistake you make is 28 and 29 are both a single sentence which should be read together. Besides it says that Year's produce not those years produce, so it means only 1 year! The title is for Levites as well as fatherless, widows and foreigners.

Deut 14:22 says

However the next verse says to eat it.



The final questions are, how many tithes are there? Or how many tenth's are we to remove? You said 2 abi na 3? If its 2 tenths thats 20%, if its 3 tenths then thats 30%. So what are we discussing?

Hahahahahahahaha, Master, I hail ooooo please ask him.

DeKen:
But you have already discussed this with someone concerning the portion Matthew 23:23 where Jesus in making reference to it emphasizes other things being more important but didn't condemn the tithe.

Who ever wants to do or not do anything he/she likes or does not like can always have a reason to do so.

He did not condemn it, but he in his own way made us to understand that it was not important, even if we are supposed to pay the tithe, these men of God that demand for it are they descendants of Levi?

King44:
they prefer it cos with that chapter and verse u won't be able to question whar ur tithe is being used for bt I think the tight is meant for d poor in the church but most pastors are not poor I wonder why they keep it all to dem selves and from what I read tight should b paid monthly or yearly Not every sundays besides they do collect money for financing the church which is different from tight it self

Exactly, they collect money from members for everything in the church! If generator is faulty, members contribute to repair it not forgetting that they contributed to buy it. The roof leaks, same thing. For a the church building, members contribute. If a pastor visits, members contribute for his welfare, so what do they do with the tithes they deman and also offerings!!

These people keep playing mind games with their members

DeKen:
Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

The pastors that collect tithe, are they descendants of levites? Even Jesus Christ is not a descendants of levites. Most of these pastors have many businesses on the side that breeds money for them. Some have schools, hospitals, factories, companies and oil wells, going by the scripture you quoted up there, are they supposed to do all that?

abbeyty:
keeping giving your hard earn money to those your overfed pastors in the name of tithe while some of you can't help your neighbors who are really in need of help

Now, that's one of the ways to pay tithe!!!

Sibrah:
That verse you quoted ends with "These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone". It tells you tithe is a must because you are not suppose to leave the others(tithe inclusive) undone.

But it's not the most important. Moreover did Jesus and his disciples who were equally preachers of the gospel ever demand for tithe?

They survived on gifts that their members gave them, they never demanded for tithe.

ndcide:
Stingy people.

Naturally, human beings find it difficult to give. Giving is painful that's why it should be a thing done with love.

God gave his only son. What can you give to God.

It is in giving that you receive. No man receive anything except it is given him.

The world don't want those who are children of God to have anything. They don't want the church to be rich,

You see Christians are now rich. They are able to own media houses which helps is spreading the gospel. Diluting the effects of evil programs from the media house.

The enemy stole the schools. Immorality was planted. God helped the Christians, they now own schools cultism and other vices are finding it difficult to thrive.

Christian are building industries.

The enemy has found the way to attack this.

THE OBJECTIVE : TO TAKE WEALTH AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS.

When they question every form of giving, they stop giving, then wealth is taken away. They think it's the pastors that are poor. NO!!!!!!!.

They question why we should give to build churches etc. When we don't build churches, the devil will build demonic and sin camps.

The enemy knows the truth and desperately wants this wealth exchange.

WHEN I HAPPENS, JUST LIKE THE STORY OF THE PHILISTINES AND THE ISRAELITE WHO WENT TO SHARPEN THEIR SWORDS IN THE CAMP OF THE ENEMY.

Christians do not allow the devil succeed with wealth exchange through anti giving campaigns.

A word is enough for the wise.

What are you even saying??

Sibrah:
I disagree . . .

Why?

Emulti:
Do you know what is means to be a levite?
(1) A levite is wholely dedicated to the service of God
(2) A levite must be from the tribe of Levi, even Jesus Christ was not qualified to collect tithe while on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.
(3) Levites do not own landed properties, houses, businesses or investments because God is their inheritance.

Now, which Nigerian pastor is qualified to replace the levite and collect tithe from Christians?
If tithing was that important, why didn't Jesus Christ who is our perfect example teach us to practice it. The early church did not practice it, even the apostles did not write in any of their epistles about it.

Good question!! Some members even boast of the G.O's owing oil wells

DeKen:
1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Was there anywhere in those scriptures you quoted it was stated that we should pay tithe to them?? Definitely those who preach the gospel are entitled to anything given for the gospel, be it offering or gift. But are we supposed to pay tithe to them?

Enasuarez:
Dear writer, don't mistaken giving of alms to tithing. The word of God standeth sure. Malachi 3 vs 10-11, God was trying to tell us that the key to kingdom prosperity lies in tithing. He said and I shall open the windows of heaven and pour you blessings and devourers rebuked as a result of your obedience. Don't be concern about who takes the tithe, but be concerned about His faithfulness to fulfilling His promises. if you don't give your tithe, things would be tight for you and devourers would come in different forms of wasting to swallow your finances. Take it nor leave it, tithing averts calamities and opens doors of sweatless blessings to addicted tithers. So learn to be an addicted tither not a mocker of the written word.

Lol, here come the typical Nigerian pastor so what about those rich people that are not Christians or do not know the meaning of tithe. And also what about the Christians who tithe regularly but are still poor or struggling with one hardship or the other??

You need help with this kind of mindset. You better read your bible well and stop listening to a con men

The Question is will I recive blessings if I give a donation or seed money to a church or ministry?
No. There is no requirement in the bible to give "seed money to a church,preacher or ministry, and no promise that any wealth or other blessings of any kind will come as a result. Verses like matthew 13:1-19 and 2 corinthians 9:6-11 are sometimes cited to support request for seed money or other donations, but the blessings promised here are spiritual blessings, not material blessings.

The bible does urge us to be generous with our wealth and time. However, any claim that wealth, health, good fortune or blessings will come as a result of a donation should be looked at with suspicion.

Cubeet:
The earlier the Christians defend themselves, the better.
Go ask Isreal why they still exist on their land

Did he say defend themselves?? Of course defending one's self is not a bad thing, but making it seem like you are going out for a war is wrong?

He said and I quote 'if you see any Fulani herdsman kill him, cut his head' so every Fulani man is a violent herdsmen abi? I pity all of you.