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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seunmsg(m): 1:53pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
adanny01: You can use your tithe to buy strong drink like red label and hennessey. It is perfectly acceptable to God. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DonX001: 1:57pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: I'm really impressed by all those your comments and responses on 1st page of this thread.....highly intelligent without being argumentative. I was just clicking 'Like' dey go on all your 1st page comments... lol |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:58pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1:The Jewish Rabbis also say: ''the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes'' CecyAdrian:Did you notice in the article petra1 provided, stating that: According to the Rabbis, the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes... Moreover the purpose of tithing, for the upkeep of the priests and Levites, has no meaning nowadays petra1:For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death - Romans 8:2 KJV All laws, effectively, are eternal principles The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing) by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving) Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES, demanding that the tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due? What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL? annunaki2:annunaki2 asks him does he fly in planes? Ask him, why doesnt the law of the force of gravity operate when he travels in aeroplanes? petra1:This is a lie to from the pit of hell Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe And we all know what REDEEM means. Right? REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in to pay the price of the tithe. Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you'll also have to add 20% to the price value of the tithe Junia:Dont let him barrage you, with his misleading information, into agreeing him You dont know this guy He really knows how to spins yarns about tithing His desire for filthy lucre makes him conflate Abraham tithing (i.e. this tithe wasnt commanded nor demanded for, by God) with the ISRAELITES tithing (i.e. this tithe was commanded and demanded by God from the ISRAELITES) …24"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you, 25then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. 26"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.… - Deuteronomy 14:24-26 30“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy. 31If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent. 32Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy - Leviticus 27:30-32 With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons (i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason) If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe with a surcharge In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge and penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe God never was into money or cash tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock) The ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 2:00pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CoolVoice(m): 2:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: God bless you sister!! Religion is just bleeped up! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Icecream4U(m): 2:02pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:i won't obey it. i will use it to satisfy selfish needs. God is the judge. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:Neither the book of Job nor any other book of the Bible indicates forthrightly when God’s servant Job lived upon the Earth. Furthermore, no biblical genealogies with chronological information, such as that found in Genesis 5 and 11, help in approximating the century in which Job lived. Nevertheless, various clues within the book of Job seem to indicate Job lived sometime after the Flood, but long before the time of Moses. First, Job’s postdiluvian status seems apparent from a question Eliphaz raised in his final speech. While accusing Job of wickedness, Eliphaz asked: “Will you keep to the old way which wicked men have trod, who were cut down before their time, whose foundations were swept away by a flood?” (Job 22:16, emp. added). As Wayne Jackson noted: “That this is a reference to the Flood of Noah’s day is almost universally conceded by scholars” (1983, p. 58). Second, that Job was a patriarch who lived prior to the time of Moses, and probably closer to the time of Abraham, seems evident from the following facts: Like other patriarchs of old (Genesis 8:20; 12:7-8; 31:54), Job, as the head of his family, offered up sacrifices to God (Job 1:5; cf. 42:. In the book of Job, there is no mention of the Levitical priesthood, the tabernacle, the temple, the Law of Moses, etc. Unlike Israelite law, where the family inheritance was passed on to daughters only in the absence of sons (Numbers 27:1-11; 36:1-13), Job gave his daughters “an inheritance among their brothers” (Job 42:15). Job’s material wealth was measured, not in money, but in the amount of livestock he owned (Job 1:3; 42:12), which is more characteristic of patriarchal times. Finally, that Job lived long before the time of Moses seems evident by the fact that the longevity of his life is more comparable to the long lives of the patriarchs who lived around 2200 B.C. The book of Job reveals that Job lived long enough to marry, become “the greatest of all the men of the east” (1:3), and then witness his first 10 children reach at least the age of accountability (1:5), and probably much greater ages (cf. 1:13,18). Then, after suffering greatly, losing all of his children and his material wealth, God blessed Job with 10 more children and twice as much wealth (42:10-13). The book of Job then concludes: “After this Job lived one hundred and forty years, and saw his children and grandchildren for four generations. So Job died, old and full of days” (42:10-17, emp. added). Thus, it would appear that Job lived well into his 200s or beyond. Interestingly, the Septuagint testifies that Job died at the age of 240—an age more comparable to the ancestors of Abraham (e.g., Serug, Abraham’s great-grandfather lived to be 230—Genesis 11:22-23). REFERENCES Jackson, Wayne (1983), The Book of Job (Abilene, TX: Quality Publications). Abraham's tithe was from what he earned from war? Do they have paid jobs then? Do you know that studying the bible and reading the bible are two very distinct actions. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: I only agree with the fact that his tithe was not only agricultural products Buh i know God didnt actually want money I dont buy the idea of paying tithe |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 2:05pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE:pastors collecting tithes now HAVE NO LEGITIMATE BASIS is an undisputable fact! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:07pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Movingcoil: So did Job pay tithe ?? Was the tithe money ?? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brightalo17: 2:08pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:Even if the pastor is leading you astray keep obeying him,but bear in mind the judgment day your pastor will not stand by you. You'll find it easy to obey tithing rules from your pastors because it is associated with getting wealth from God,what about other rules like fornication,cheating,stealing e.t.c are you also keeping them? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CecyAdrian(f): 2:09pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DonX001: Lol, thanks |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by bambam860: 2:16pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
because people are afraid of curses. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 2:17pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:The tithe commanded by God explicitly was about agricultural products Money comes into the equation, only if you want to buy back the tithe, and that's when, you pay the price value plus one fifth the price value This is the only time money is exchanged for tithe with the Levites Junia:Money wasnt in deal Jacob made with God and that's why God wasnt demanding for money Money wasnt in the ''deal'' struck with God, at Bethel, by Jacob aka Israel Junia:Why not? What are all your exhaustive reasons why you dont buy the idea of paying tithe |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:26pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Who should i tithe to ?? What should i tithe ?? Christians are not under the law ?? Jesus didnt pay tithe ?? His disciples didnt pay tithe ?? There was no where in the Bible where the early church paid tithe ?? Neither Paul nor the other apostles taught about tithing though they taught about giving 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CecyAdrian(f): 2:38pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Sibrah: Are we really supposed to pay tithe to our present day pastor's? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by cyrilamx(m): 2:45pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Christ mentioned tithe cos he was denouncing the injustice of the pharisees. Just same way he condemn their exterior show not that he was incorporating it into the new testament. FYI Christianity hasn't begun yet...he hasn't died nor risen to pave way for the church. He was merely condemning the double-faced attitude of the pharisees just d way he denounced legalism of the law. Tbh...tithe just as the synagogue ended with the old testament. No where in the new testament after the death and resurrection of Christ did the Apostles encouraged tithing, instead they preached cheerful giving or offering. Even no where in patristic writings of early Christians or church fathers was tithing encouraged. CecyAdrian: 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by vislabraye(m): 2:45pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: If you analyse it closely, you would realize that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not yet New Testament/covenant because Jesus had not yet died. Hebrews says that a will is only enforced when the testator is dead. Jesus was speaking to the Jews under the Old covenant. Sincerely speaking I've not seen anywhere from the books of Acts that tells us to pay tithe. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Just to suit their selfish interest, so as to illegally take from d poor church members to enrich themselves |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by benji93: 2:47pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:Bros, according to the passage, the other charitable acts which you categorized as other, including mercy,judgement and punishment are the more important factors.Today our pastors favour the less important at the expense of the more important, so as critics we are not wrong(though we might be too extreme with our criticism), if we designate tithe as not important,the question is, tithe is unimportant relative to what? When Jesus spoke about tithe, he assumed his audience new what tithe entails, which is detailed in the old testament, deuteronomy defined the categories of people entitled to a portion of the tithe.The levites, fatherless, stranger, widows.The passage even explains why the levites are entitled to it. they have no inheritance with thee, since they have committed themselves solely to serving God in his vineyard, and have no source of income.Same can be said of the fatherless and widows of those days. I do not dispute the frequency of payment of tithe or the currency,as these 2 factors are subject to era.In fact the persons in the categories defined entitled to a portion of the tithe paid should be different now.I cannot really classify all our pastors and subpastors today as levites, some of them are involved in various business ventures, which fairly rules them out being eligible for a portion of it. Most of them are involved in one business or the other, likewise not all fatherless today are without a form of inheritance.So if all this categories are entitled to a portion of tithe, so it only means that they should receive their portion as often as the tithes are paid.the question is how many pastors actually give out portions of the tithe to the categories mentioned, and how frequent do they do it. Meanwhile, i suppose the bible did not specify what proportion should go to which category of people.So iguess it should be shared equally or perhaps partitioned according to the needs of each. Do you know how any fatherless, poor folks or widows are in this country. If the biblical directives should be followed exactly, the pastors in the name of the church wont be accumulating wealth, sharing cars to people based on trivial matters.God is the ultimate judge in this, but the directives are as clear as daylight. Happy sunday nairalanders 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by xpool(m): 2:51pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
[b]I was reading, just to see where they said we should not pay tithe, none of the posts and argument here provided it. It is obvious everyone here agrees that tithing is biblical, but the contention is the perceived over-emphasis of modern preaching on tithing. My conclusion is that the reason for these renewed anger at tithing arose from the obvious proliferation of Pentecostal Churches. From various argument from people here I found out that Catholics do not complain much, because their tithes are usaully put to the uses explained by biblical rules. Catholics have orphanages, old people's homes and less-privileged homes and free schools: note that such virtues are seriously dwindling since the white missionaries left us to manage our Churches. Churches no longer give free education. Schools owned by Churches are the most expensive in Nigeria now. Pastors and Men of God, how often do you hekp the widows, fatherless, motherless, the aged etc? But I will rather pay my tithe and have the Wrath of GOD being transferred from me and be visited upon the receiver of the tithe for miss-use or miss-application. GOD is the only dread I dread![/b] |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by lyricalpontiff(m): 2:53pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
I'm even more confused |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Acidosis(m): 3:00pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
It doesn't matter who you pay your money to.. what I've realized is that givers are always blessed. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by adanny01(m): 3:02pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seunmsg: LOL Deut 14:26 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. I cant believe the bible says this. Infact NLT says it directly 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. The wine refered to is also alcoholic. That means i am free to buy Palmwine, BKT, Pito, Moss 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by henryhemon(m): 3:05pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
It is from a personal experience I say this....don't follow just what your pastor says have a personal relationship with God he will direct you and teach you things which thou knowest not. Untill you grow to that level of christainity you will might be confused by some things and I say this God isn't really interested in some of these things he is interested more about your walk with him. I 've been in a situation where before I finish saying a prayer my answers were immediate and I didn't pay tithes then. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:08pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:If it's tithe commanded by God, then tithe to the Levites If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing), then tithe to a priest or to a warlord like was already being done in Abraham's times Junia:If it's tithe commanded by God, then it should be one tenth of the produce of the land in ISRAEL, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees. If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing) then it should be one tenth of spoils of war (i.e. one tenth of what's obtained off another person(s)) Junia:Do you mean Christians are not under the law of sin and death? Junia:True. Jesus didnt pay tithe as his occupation wasnt agricultural Junia:True. The fishermen nor doctor dont and didnt pay tithe Junia:True. After 70 AD, the temple was no more and so no Levites serving in the temple to give tithe to Junia:True. They taught about a superior or higher law (i.e. the transition from the the law of sin and death to the law of the Spirit) |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Ovamboland(m): 3:13pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: And why do you now wear 80% cotton, 20% polyester clothes today when the law says it's an eternal principle not to do it? Have you eaten yam planted on a plot with maize inter cropped? You just violated another eternal principle. What of bacon or pork fillet, another infraction. Or you allowed a child who cursed his/her parents to escape stoning to death you're again on the wrong side. You can argue animal sacrifice has been abolished with the death of Christ, but why hold on to tithe in Malachi and Mathew and fail to observe the other eternal laws above? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:13pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2:The Levites still had possessions, lands, beast, farms etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:15pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:Levites still had possessions, lands, farms, beast etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by samsam2019: 3:22pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
One by one their eye de open You'll one day bin religionn like i did and become happier |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Ovamboland(m): 3:24pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: If you had a vision to slaughter your son the next morning will you bind the dream or go ahead with the slaughter in faith? And are you also ready to put your female house help in the family way while still exercising faith. If not why are you not following this Abrahamic examples? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CecyAdrian(f): 3:32pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen: Possessions which were given to them, they on their own did not source for the lands, farms or beast, the other tribes of Israel gave it to them freely from their own inheritance since they (Levites) have none. |
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