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As promised, the video on ALLAH - BAAL well explained.

This would edify us greatly. Let's all watch it and try to witness to muslims at the right opportunity. They need the gospel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14-3Um9tSQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsVjBnv-zFs

TheNoble007:
How funny it is for you to think that physical adornment is what makes a woman attractive. Well I will quote the same 1 Peter 3:3,4 KJV

Whose adorning, let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting of the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek amd quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

I could post different translation but that's not necessary. Let it not be that of outward adornment but the adornment of meek and quiet spirit was Peter message in corroboration with Paul. The message isn't for you. I am glad that the sister in question has received a revelation on the subject . Some will come up with another revelation soon.

One can have discourse even on spiritual matters, but it is a wise thing not to call the other person's revelation man made. I pity you... It is wisdom to be very selective with the words we use in order not to be in confrontation with a truth we are yet to perceive.. This was the wisdom that apostle Peter employed. Even when he didn't outrightly accept the revelations of apostle Paul, he never called them man made visions. He rather used wise words.

If my visions were man made, then let me bear the burden of it. But if they were not, let the mouth who uttered such bear the burden. I rest my case.


Shalom.

Brother. Let the word of God be the standard. In that context of Peter and Paul's usage, It was. Anyone can see that. Or do you want us to view the greek for better clarity ? They referred to focus on externals, adornments (decorations)
Your premise on visions isn't the standard. The word of God is. The word of God is clear on this issue no matter the supposed revelation gotten by anyone whether in favor or against. Paul wasn't condemning fine /costly apparel, braids, pearls. NO. HE was emphasizing on concentration on externals as in their time, those women dwelt on external appeareance. As I have said in my previous posts, personal conviction also come s in because any such items, whether it be shoes, necklaces or whatever could be an idol or a stumbling block to the person of which the holy spirit moves to convict. Same happened with Paul on the idol meat issue even though it wasn't a sin to him. If you are fixated on bare elements, God himself stated he gave this jewelry as a gift! When God made a covenant with Israel he considered it like entering into a marriage covenant. After He "married" Israel he stated in the book of Ezekiel.I dressed you in embroidered gowns and gave you shoes of the best leather, a linen headband, and a silk cloak. I put jewels on you - bracelets and necklaces. I gave you earrings and a beautiful crown to wear (Ezekiel 16:10 - 12)

By manmade vision, I hope you understood what I was driving at. I was referring to man made concoctions or doctrines, If you feel I was focused on you, then i can say nothing. The word of God stands uncontested and unrivaled. I hope one day the Holyspirit opens your understanding regarding this issue as it's clear as daylight and it baffles me how someone filled with the spirit would not understand what paul was driving at

SHALOM BROTHER

TheNoble007:
I had decided previously not to write again but changed my mind as I saw your message. I will tell you that you are very wise... A wise Christian will go to God in prayer to receive personal message like the Berean Christians... For the sake of others, do not listen to those who give interpretations to things based on hearsays and teachings of man... DO NOT...

1 Timothy 2: 9 says.. KJV

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearl or costly array.

A little child in school can explain the word- NOT.. The modest apparel includes with shamefacedness and sobriety and NOT ( NEVER) with broided hair( broided means un natural) or gold( anything gold, whether made of gold dust or not is still gold...) or Pearl or costly array. The big problem is not wearing these things while on earth. The problem is having them on at the point of death. Because these things have spiritual manifestations. How many of us can tell the exact year and time we are going to die? There are accusers of the brethren that confronts a soul when he/she dies. These accusers can even quote scriptures to refute that soul to enter that pearly gate of heaven. Do you know that Satan himself accused the soul of .........

Lol, I expected your coming out despite your claim to forever leave. It baffles me how someone can still mis-interprete that passage. It baffles me greatly and i pray one day the HolySpirit opens your understanding. I thank God for those that understand that passage well and are not blinded by man made doctrine or visions.
Well I have written enough on this issue and the word of God stands. I also wrote on personal conviction which is also biblical. The fact that 1 timothy 2:9 could be grossly mis-interpreted by you while ignoring Peter's passage on the issue is just so seriously baffling.
Is Paul implying that women should never wear fine/costly clothing, braid their hair, wear gold or pearls ? Is that what Paul really had in mind?

Listen to 1 Peter 3:3, 4

3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward; arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel;

4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.

1 Peter 3 helps us understand what Paul is saying – Peter says the adornment should not merely be external. It’s not wrong to wear gold, pearls, fine clothing or to braid the hair. What is wrong is the emphasis on the external to the neglect of the heart. This becomes even clearer as we move into the next verse:

10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.

Godliness and good works; this is where the emphasis should be placed. Good works should flow out of a heart that is right with God. Women who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ should concentrate on the heart.“Instead of stressing external beauty, according to the world’s standards, Christian women should manifest a different set of values. They should adorn themselves with good deeds. They should depend on their faithful service in the name of Christ to render them attractive to others. This was no plea for women to make themselves unattractive; it was simply an exhortation to reject the world’s yardstick for measuring beauty and adopt heaven’s standard (1 Samuel 16:7). One should expect nothing less from women who profess to worship God.

Brother, like I said before, read that part of the word of God with prayer to the holyspirit else it'd lead to gross hypocrisy which our Lord hates. And i hope one day in the future, your eyes would be opened. I was once like you if not worse.
God bless. SHALOM

WrathJustified:
If this is not a brought upon dream and you've been modest, not lavish, excess. Then that means at the heart ear-rings was a detriment to your christian walk or an idol just the way expensive shoes were or Underwear were, or the watch you wear might be. So if the holy spirit has convicted you about it, like changedinchrist said, then you have to obey that conviction else it becomes a big sin because it's a heart thing.
This may not be the same for another sister. # Obedience through the spirit

exactly. Read your bible along with the holyspirit's guiding. Don't listen to man's extra-biblical doctrines, visions, prophecies, or testimonies especially if that issue is in the bible

Donspicey:
Was it condemned Biblically?

No. However, like i have explained before, for grey-areas in the scripture that are biblical (like paul's idol meat issue), you read the bible for instruction, not man's dream, extra-biblical doctrine, vision, prophecy or testimony. Now the same ear-rings, or bags, or necklaces or phones could be an idol to you or you use them with bad motives, or without modesty or could offend a weaker christian like paul's meat eating issue. In that case, in each individual case, the holy spirit would convict you of it seriously no matter what it is whether it's football, or footwear

A look at the Bible shows that women wore earrings Numbers 31:50; Judges 8:24; Song of Solomon 1:10-11. Infact, God himself stated he gave this jewelry as a gift! When God made a covenant with Israel he considered it like entering into a marriage covenant. After He "married" Israel he stated in the book of Ezekiel. I dressed you in embroidered gowns and gave you shoes of the best leather, a linen headband, and a silk cloak. I put jewels on you - bracelets and necklaces. I gave you earrings and a beautiful crown to wear (Ezekiel 16:10 - 12)

In the New Testament, there is no command either for or against wearing earrings. However, Paul did once warn Christian women, "Women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works" (1 Timothy 2:9-10). He did not want their focus to be on expensive clothing or jewelry but rather on Christ. The focus was on modesty rather than whether earrings were acceptable or not. Peter gave a similar instruction in 1 Peter 3:3.

Like CharlyG1 also said previously, Whether we choose to wear earrings or any other piece of jewelry is a matter of personal conscience/ walk and your heart with the holyspirit which he knows and would convict you of if you are vain or idolized in it. In any case, clearly our responsibility as Christians is to bring honor and glory to the God we profess to love, doing nothing out of vain conceit (Philippians 2:3), and remembering that “man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart" (1 Samuel 16:7).

Remember - letter of the law leads to death, the law of the spirit, the spirit of liberty and righteousness leads to life

changedinchrist:
You are spot on brother ! I have a video that explains the Allah Baal one and it links to that black stone that they revere. The same is true for catholics. But there are some catholics that are truly born again and are just ignorant. May God open their eyes to the full truth

Fellow Christians, once I find the ALLAH - BAAL video, I'd post it here. You would all be shocked how it is the same baal disguised as allah today and how it all originated, from the Arabic source and traditions to the naming and the Judaism and christian root that influenced mohammed.

It would edify us all and show us the need for us to weep and grieve for the salvation of the lost

JourneytoEL:
@Thenoble007 made a statement about female adornment. The fascinating thing about his statement is it was a revelation from the Holy Spirit to him. If you want to denounce his revelation, you have to do so with a revelation of the Holy Spirit to you. Did the Spirit reveal to you that his statement was wrong? That should be one of the basis. The Spirit backed up with the Word of God is the basis of outrightly rejecting a revelation.

Few years ago, I was a hardcore catholic and an ardent legion of Mary member. Many people came to preach to me, but i rejected all their sayings and even argued with them with the Bible. This continued till i was arrested by the Spirit of Truth who revealed to me i have been living in error thinking i was serving God. It was very hard for me to accept it but he gave me the strength and i have done so. Same way some years back, i would argue with people who castigate secular music, and make a case for non-lustful ones till the Spirit revealed to me to desist and flee from secular music. I fell under the anointing for the first time while watching T.b Joshua and had my deliverance from the spirit of masturbation, and i continued watching his programs. When people were speculating he was operating from a demonic spirit, i argued stating his good works, charity and preaching. But later, the Spirit revealed to me i was wrong and opened my eyes and ears to see he is operating under the spirit of divination.

Truly the Word of Jesus in Luke 5:39, came true to me, And no one, having drunk old wine, IMMEDIATELY desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

Revelations can be very painful especially if it is against what you have believed for a long time. Some Faith preachers never believed a born again Christian can be influenced by demons till a later part of their years, and their convictions changed.

The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. If you want to know his opinion on certain matters, keep your emotions aside and ask him, if you mix your emotions with your request, he will still tell you the truth, but most likely not immediately. He will first make you strong enough to bear the truth.

Personally, i fix attachment, wear makeup and jewelry, but i will go before the Lord to ask him about his opinion, it might take some time to get his answer, but i pray he gives me the strength to bear it if what thenoble007 said is true, because i can't even imagine carrying my stubborn hair without attachment or wig. All in all, we live for the Lord and we learn everyday, anything he is against, we should be ready to drop it in the trashcan, even if is our eyes.

Shalom.

Very well put at the end. Read the word of God which is the sword of the spirit and GOD'S OWN WORD and pray for the illumination of the spirit. Don't just take a random person's word as truth without testing, even though it is Adeboye OR unless Jesus himself appears to you to tell you it is truth (test all things as God commands in his word). I like your approach of seeking yourself . Please read the word of God too. This issue is not an extra-biblical issue. It's in the bible. God bless you as you search and ask the Lord for answers and I pray you receive his word FOR YOU. Amen. I was on the other side before, until my knowledge got illuminated by the holy spirit when i was in deep communion with the Lord AND HIS WORD. I thank God for his mercies because he has made me know that his word is truly a double-edged sword and once you stand on it, no one can deceive you. The holyspirit communicates in tandem with the word and never contradicts it.

God bless sister in christ. Shalom

Hercules22:
The ancient evil spirit, Baal is the same as Allah who the Muslims worship. Ashtoreth, also an ancient evil goddess (queen of heaven), who the Roman catholics ignorantly pray to as Virgin Mary.

You are spot on brother ! I have a video that explains the Allah Baal one and it links to that black stone that they revere. The same is true for catholics. But there are some catholics that are truly born again and are just ignorant. May God open their eyes to the full truth

For those ignorant unregenerate christians who think christians and muslims worship the same God


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvB7m2ySP5E


On New age. Amazing Testimony. Love it !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgUDwzlF_KU

Has anyone witnessed deeply to a staunch new age believer? Or had an evangelistic relationship with same?

If so , What was your experience please, I'd like to know. I never knew they are very very hardened like atheists. There's a lady that's going down very deep in that path.

TheNoble007:
@changedinchrist. I read your epistle.. Nice read. I should say you are a good writer. God bless you


.However, I should tell you this...I have seen how far you have refuted visions and revelations even before now.. But I am replying you now because this is my last post on this thread as my job has been fulfilled .. It is needless for me to begin to vouch for the accuracy of revelations I post, or how they've been fulfilled. Joel 2.28 spoke of how God will release His power in this last days. If I were you, I will oppose visions and prophecies with all boldness when they fail to come to pass. Until then I should hold my peace in order not to be rebellious against a coming move of God.. Let us please employ the wisdom of Gamaliel....

Again you mentioned 1 Timothy 2:9. KJV.. and interpreted it differently. And it reads....

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array...

To say that Pearls or gold is crucifix or religious ornaments only is very surprising.... I will encourage you dearly to read it again under the Spirit illumination...

Again look at the broided hair.... Read this again under the Spirit illumination.... I mentioned Jewish women in my former post because I lived amongst them and interacted with them. I can say that they are the most modest women I have seen in the United States. Not the Christians alone, but the Jews in general... But If Apostle Paul will address this in his own time, how much more will he have done now...

Physically, I am very bold. I am not concerned about just giving messages that people like or want to hear... How much more a faceless forum like this... I will give account on the last day....


Shalom

Thank you brother. Firstly, the quotes excerpt parts is not my write up. That's an article i felt explained better the scriptural truth about dressing. And on 1 timothy 2:9, DID YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT WAS IN THAT WRITE UP ? Let me paste it again , plus you ignored all the other scriptural points of that write-up:

In 1 Timothy 2:9–10, Paul sets up a contrast between trying to please God and trying to please men. A public worship service should not be a fashion show. It’s not that a woman can never wear jewelry or style her hair differently. It’s that overindulgence and excess are improper in church. We must all guard against pride and be careful not to distract others (or ourselves) from what is truly important: the worship of God and the service of others.

Another passage that relates to the issue of women wearing makeup or jewelry is 1 Peter 3:3–5, “Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves.”

Peter emphasizes the contrast between the outward, fleeting beauty and the inward, lasting beauty of a woman. A truly beautiful woman has a “gentle and quiet spirit.” She may not be noticed much in this world, but God sees the heart. To flaunt one’s beauty for selfish adoration is not in line with the humility of Christ, especially when the flaunting takes place in a worship service. Again, it’s not that braided hair is sinful, but those who rely on their hair, their jewelry, or their clothing to make them beautiful are chasing after vanity. It is more worthwhile to develop godly character.

If you don't understand the point of that passage even after that, then there's no point arguing. I'd rather pray that the Holy Spirit illuminates you instead as your explanation is NOT IT AT ALL! Pray to the holyspirit for illumination please as you are very wrong on that issue in that particular context. The very thing you say might even be violated in your life in another way because you are focused on the letter.

And regarding visions and prophecies, like I said, I only comment when it goes against scripture. You don't see me commenting when it's not attacking scripture or otherwise. SCRIPTURE is my standard not supposed vision or revelation from man. Do you expect christians to just take you vision at face value if it goes against scripture when we have false prophets, wolves among sheep littered all over the place ? Regarding testing spirits and words, What is the bible (GOD'S OWN WORD) there for ? Please don't expect anyone to believe you as you are not scripture. Something we take for granted is the fact that even false prophets give accurate prophecies so where do you draw a standard?? -SCRIPTURE. Sola scriptura is emphasized throughout scripture. Jesus rebuked the pharisees for claiming extra-biblical revelation through oral tradition and told them to look back at the scriptures. Unless Jesus appears to tell me your words are true then I have no reason to believe you when I have scripture with me. That's why i said, for extra-biblical revelations on here that don't have a scriptural mention, I let it edify whether for caution or for learning or for even sharpening my knowledge on people mindsets and spiritual walk

Brother, I am not attacking the truth of your visions but talking about a standard which Jesus expects of us all and also what you should expect from TRUE christians who stand on God's word. I appreicate you and you may go away forever but my point still stands and I hope you learn from it. Once again. Go back and read on modesty in the bible, letter of the law, and the law of the spirit, spirit of liberty and righteousness. And pray to the holy spirit before reading .

GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER IN CHRIST. SHALOM

TheNoble007:
To everyone, I was waiting for this time. It took everything in me to post the above.... It has been brought to me previously and I hesitated because of how delicate the issue is... I throw this because a signal came from someone's message.

For those who will care to know, I am neither a deeper life member nor belong to a church of such imposed doctrine. If anyone raises issues of doctrines of any sort, I don't belong to such category... As I said before, we all have the priority to choose what we believe or not.

African ladies are not the only ones to adorn their hairs. White girls and others do the same.. So that's not a reason... I am in my twenties, but have lived among different races.. For example, some of my best students who were in pre med college are the Jews... Also the Jewish Christians... Apart from teaching them, I observed... If apostle Peter will admonish the early Christian women about their dressing, how much more now?.. Compare that life to now... As much as cleanliness of the heart is utmost important, our physical appearance at the point of death is very important... What if these things are real, and one get to know of this when that person dies? What if I ask?

As a prophet of God, I have a duty to say what I see. Regardless of whether it is believed or not.. Physically, I give the same message regardless of the audience acceptance, just like how I have done it here on a faceless forum. And that's why I chose to remain faceless and have refuted any contact whatsoever.... For the work of any man will be judged....


So far, I can say now that my duty on this thread is now fulfilled... God bless His true children here.



Shalom..

I know you didn't reply me but i felt I should just post this. God bless. You see, when people like CharlyG1 post extra biblical revelations or prophecies not directly in the bible if it doesn't contain a biblical opposition, I don't' say anything and I let it edify me accordingly. I do that for you too. But once it borders on something already in scripture, then I immediately compare it to scripture and put scripture on top no matter what and reject the person's vision even though he's Adeboye or Olukoya. That's my standard. And i like that Charles always references scripture when the issue is in scripture and if not, he speaks with wisdom.

Now on this issue of dressing, let's look at scripture, I like that you cited peter which actually butrress all i said. PLEASE READ THE EXCERPT WHICH EVEN EXPLAINS MY POINT BETTER. Like I said, i don't judge your vision, only God knows and can judge you on that BUT [/b]we have scripture truth on this matter. [b]Let's all look at it through these excerpts ( please read to the end for scriptural truth on this tense issue) :

Question: "WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO DRESS MODESTLY?"
Answer: In describing the mode of dress appropriate for women in church, the apostle Paul exhorts them to dress “modestly” with “decency and propriety” then goes on to contrast immodest dress with the good deeds which are appropriate for those who profess to be true worshipers of God (1 Timothy 2:9–10). While the Bible only specifically addresses the need for women to dress modestly, the same teaching would apply to men in principle. Both men and women should bring glory to God in their manner of dress.

Modesty in the way we dress is not just for church; it is to be the standard for all Christians at all times. The key to understanding what constitutes modesty in dress is to examine the attitudes and intents of the heart. Those whose hearts are inclined toward God will make every effort to dress modestly, decently, and appropriately. Those whose hearts are inclined toward self will dress in a manner designed to draw attention to themselves with little or no regard for the consequences to themselves or others.

A godly woman endeavors to do everything with a “God-ward” perspective. She knows that God wants His people to be concerned for His glory and the spiritual state of their brothers and sisters in Christ. If a woman professes to be a Christian yet she dresses in a way that will unduly draw attention to her body, she is a poor witness of the One who bought her soul by dying for her on the cross. She is forgetting that her body has been redeemed by Christ and is now the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19–20). She is telling the world that she determines her own worth on a purely physical basis and that her attractiveness depends on how much of her body she reveals to them. Further, by intentionally dressing in an immodest fashion, displaying her body for men to lust after, she encourages her brothers in Christ to sin, something condemned by God (Matthew 5:27–29). Proverbs 7:10 mentions a woman “dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent”—here, the woman’s heart condition is displayed by her manner of dress.

The Scripture says that we are to dress modestly, but what exactly does that mean in modern society? Does a woman have to be covered from head to toe? There are cults and religions in the world that demand this of women. But is that the biblical meaning of modesty? Again, we have to go back to the matter of the attitudes of the heart. If a woman’s heart is inclined toward godliness, she will wear clothing that is neither provocative nor revealing in public. Her clothing choices will not signal pride or ostentation and will not reflect negatively upon her personal testimony as a child of God. Everyone else in her circle may be dressing immodestly, but she resists the temptation to go along with the crowd. She avoids clothing designed to draw attention to her body and cause men to lust, for she is wise enough to know that type of attention only cheapens her. The idea of giving occasion for men to sin against God because of her dress is abhorrent to her because she seeks to love and honor God and wants others to do the same.

Modesty in dress reveals a modesty and godliness of the heart, humble attitudes that should be the desire of all women (and men) who live to please and honor God

ON MAKE-UP / JEWELLERY ?

Answer: Some Christians believe it is wrong for women to wear makeup or jewelry, citing a couple of New Testament passages that seem to forbid such things. While we certainly respect the convictions of born-again children of God, we also want to be sure that our teaching does not go beyond what the Word of God actually says. We do not want to “teach man-made ideas as commands from God” (Mark 7:7, NLT).

In examining the propriety of wearing makeup or jewelry, we start with 1 Samuel 16:7b: “The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” This verse lays down a foundational principle concerning the limitations of our perspective: we naturally see the externals; God sees the internal truth. This does not mean that the externals are unimportant, of course—we readily communicate with others via visual signals, and the appearance we choose for ourselves can express rebellion, piety, carelessness, meticulousness, etc. But appearances can be deceiving, and there is the deeper issue of the heart. Whatever is done to the outward appearance is done for man to see, and we should be careful about that, but God is more concerned with what is happening in the heart.

In the context of rules for public worship, Paul says, “I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God” (1 Timothy 2:9–10). This is one of the passages that cause some women to avoid wearing makeup or jewelry altogether.

A couple of things to note in this passage: first, there is a standard of dress that is right for a woman in a worship service. Paul gives no specifics, but a woman’s clothing is to be modest and decent and respectable. Wearing anything that is immodest, indecent, or disreputable is wrong. Drawing the line between modest and immodest can be subjective, and modesty depends somewhat on cultural mores, but each believer should be discerning enough to avoid giving offense.

Second, there is a proper adornment for women who worship God and an improper adornment. The proper adornment for a godly woman is simply good deeds. Tabitha adorned herself beautifully by “always doing good and helping the poor” (Acts 9:36). The improper adornment for a godly woman is that which puffs her up with pride or draws attention to her outward appearance: the examples are elaborate hairstyles, gold and pearls, and expensive clothing. The focus of a worship service is to be the Lord, not the latest fashion, the biggest diamond, or the most chic hairdo. Wearing a $3,000 dress to church or flashing gaudy jewelry does nothing to truly adorn the woman of God. She would be much better off—and the poor much better served—if she sold the dress and gave the money to a Christian charity. Perhaps the time she spent on the elaborate hairdo would have been better spent serving someone in need.

In 1 Timothy 2:9–10, Paul sets up a contrast between trying to please God and trying to please men. A public worship service should not be a fashion show. It’s not that a woman can never wear jewelry or style her hair differently. It’s that overindulgence and excess are improper in church. We must all guard against pride and be careful not to distract others (or ourselves) from what is truly important: the worship of God and the service of others.

Another passage that relates to the issue of women wearing makeup or jewelry is 1 Peter 3:3–5, “Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves.”

Peter emphasizes the contrast between the outward, fleeting beauty and the inward, lasting beauty of a woman. A truly beautiful woman has a “gentle and quiet spirit.” She may not be noticed much in this world, but God sees the heart. To flaunt one’s beauty for selfish adoration is not in line with the humility of Christ, especially when the flaunting takes place in a worship service. Again, it’s not that braided hair is sinful, but those who rely on their hair, their jewelry, or their clothing to make them beautiful are chasing after vanity. It is more worthwhile to develop godly character.

In summary, there is nothing inherently wrong with wearing jewelry, makeup, or braided hair, as long as it is done in a modest manner. Also, such things can never replace good deeds or a humble spirit. A Christian woman should not be so focused on her outward appearance that she neglects her spiritual life. A worship service should be focused on God, not on us. If a woman is spending an inordinate amount of time and money on her appearance, the problem is that the woman’s priorities are misplaced. Expensive jewelry and clothing are the results of the problem, not the problem itself..



As seen above, Scripture is CLEAR on the issue, So I can't listen to man's opinions or man made doctrine (we have them many and different) but rather the word of God. Anything different is a LIE biblically.

CharlyG1:
Wow that's great to hear. I am more than happy to hear your testimony.

Praise be to God.

God bless you brother.

Yes oh. I would share it publicly here and acknowledge you at the parts that warrant it. Fear is of the devil ! The devil is truly a deceiver, a liar and once you know the truth, you can fight him with the sword of the spirit which is the truth of God. Thank you, God bless

@CharlyG1.. I have a big testimony to share soon regarding our private discourse. Once again thanks for creating this thread. The lord has finally broken and sanctified me with his refining fire which I have been expecting. And I hoped to get sanctified continually till I die as it's the will of God for us christians - to grow in sanctification and good works

jubianose:
I couldn't have agreed more.
The issue of trouser and it's doctrine I don't dabble into it.

The fact be say my wife go dey wear trouser me I like am.... (although modestly shaa)...

I stand with your thought.

Amen. I just don't like it when the staunch advocates ignore the Issue of the heart which is the center of the new covenant in christ and they ignore Paul's warning of the letter of the law and his instruction on the spirit of liberty and righteousness from the heart. This doctrine has led some churches into gross error. They put people under bondage, the same bondage Jesus our lord rebuked the pharisees for putting on people. It saddens me greatly that they don't study the scriptures to understand the crux of the issue - Obedience through the holy spirit not through the letter of the law which leads to death as Paul said. And it leads them to Hypocrisy cos the same cream they use, the same underwear they wear condemns them greatly. This hypocrisy our Lord hates with fervency and it all stems from trying to obey through the law or set of outside-biblical (or extra-biblical) rules, rather than through the spirit.

Nuttella:
Exactly, I dress according to the guidance of the holyspirit, the holyspirit is against my fixing weavon and I have stopped it but I still plait attachment cause I can't maintain my natural hair, its stubborn and painful, true many of them come from marine kingdom but if we keep living in fear, we won't wear watch or rub cream or perfume cause marine kingdom can also produce those onces, the holy spirit is not against me wearing my full stop earring, nobody will tell me otherwise. I will go to heaven whether I wear it or not.

Exactly. See my response above. Please Don't believe any supposed vision or prophecy that says a child of God would go to hell (without any heart reason) for just trouser even if it is worn modesty as scripture commands. Such visions are anti scriptural. Yes we know there are marine objects and satanic devices. But a true Christian dressing modestly with a good heart and the item not being an idol in her life, and without any conviction of the holy spirit wouldn't be affected no matter the useless principality. Don't be under the law but under the spirit of liberty as Paul commands us which then sanctifies and instructs us, and convicts us of the idol in our lives no matter what it is to shape us into Christ's image from the heart

CharlyG1:
This is very true, and it usually stirs up controversy among the church (People of God).

I would add... Let the ladies wear clothes that do not reveal their private parts. And allow your conscience or the Holy Ghost address what you wear. So that when you wear something, the question "Am I dressing right, or dressing to kill?" comes up in your mind. If you know you're dressing because of an ulterior motive whereby you put on tight clothes to attract a man, it is wrong.


When you stand dressed in front of your mirror, you should know what is decent and what pleases God, for your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost.

You should not glorify your body and not be too sensitive about your face, staring at the mirror all the time.

Because this topic is a hot debated one, all i will say is Let your conscience and the Holy Ghost judge you. And be aware that many cosmetics and human hair, wigs and attachments have spiritual attachments because many of them come from the marine kingdom. So let our ladies be careful.


God bless you.

Thank you Brother Charles. Spot on on your ending. Well I don't agree with the hell-clothing message without a concern on modesty, the heart, conviction. I was sensing a preaching of doctrine from TheNoble007 message. The type that says of you wear trousers no matter your heart or conviction, you are going to hell. Which is a lie. You have put it perfectly towards the end. Let your conscience judge you. The command in the new covenant is to dress modestly. I won't take his vision as as truth/lie, because I know how God deals with people at the heart.

For example, for a new convert true Christian lady who puts on make up, if it's not an idol in her life, and she does it with modesty without any ulterior motive, the holy spirit might not even convict her of that but instead Sanctify her in the areas which are not right according to the heart, and grow her to do righteous works for him. Unlike another sister that puts on the same level of makeup but with an ulterior motive, without a pure heart and with makeup turning to an idol in her life, the first things the holy spirit would do is to convict her of it and of she doesn't repent, that's dead faith which leads to hell.
That's why Paul says repeatedly that we are not under the letter of the law but the law of the spirit and that's why he called it the spirit of liberty and righteousness.

Apart from the fact that people lie and say things that are not from God and only God can know the truth of someone's supposed vision, apart from that, I reject all those supposed visions that say they went to hell and saw a devoted Christian in hell because of trousers without them mentioning the Issue of the heart. They turn God's grace to a thing of the letter. If they had said, the lady went to hell because trousers were an idol to her or a guy went to hell because phones or football was an idol to him, that would be scripturally sound.

Please, like I always say, Focus on the word of God, don't just believe anybodys testimony or vision. Only God knows the truth. God's word is the only sure immovable infallible testimony, prophecy, vision we have. Don't let anyone delude into believing any other thing no matter eh confidence

Test all spirits as scripture says.

jubianose:
Thank you bro Charles for putting mouth into this matter. But I believe the scripture you quoted said ...

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew:24:24

The bolded show that indeed the level of deceit will be very high, that it measures the possibility of it with something that is impossible, - which is the "elect" being deceived. (This goes on to show that it is impossible to deceive the elect no matter how high the deception is/was)..

That means the elect are those "SOME" that has passed the level of being deceived.

Thank you and God bless you.

I believe this (and is true if you know the greek construction of that passage) and also believe that the admonition to christians to Stand firm lest they fall is a precaution that every ELECT would take. God says he has sealed the ELECT with the holyspirit until the day of redemption. Isn't that amazing! But notice he warns the ELECT not to grieve the holy spirit. The ELECT might grieve the holyspirit but they would always run back to him, they would always repent, because they have saving faith and have the seal of the holyspirit.
Jesus says, those who the father has given him can never be lost. They may fall into temptations but they are firm in christ. This is why I believe that passage is talking about an extreme because the ELECT are sealed with the spirit of God, they are never lost in the arms of christ (John 6:39) because they have saving faith, the faith which endures, which perseveres.
Hence I believe if we look at scripture holistically, it is given us a dimension of truth regarding the ELECT, their seal and the admonitions which ensures that seal unlike the unbelievers who are fickle or the christians who have dead faith that does not sanctify or endure to the end or that tramples upon the blood of christ.

Hence I agree with you here. I thank others too for their edifying contributions. The ELECT wouldn't be ELECT if they are going to be deceived into eternal separation, not possible. We sometimes don't take serious the words of God the son - Jesus in John 10:29, 6:39. These are serious words from God himself! Who dare challenge him on that. No one !

Psalm 97:10
Verse Concepts : Hate evil, you who love the Lord,
Who preserves the souls of His godly ones;
He delivers them from the hand of the wicked
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand
John 6:39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day

Here's an Excerpt that explains it more


Question: "Can the elect be deceived (Matthew 24:24)?"

Answer: In what is often referred to as His Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, Jesus speaks about events that will take place before His second coming. One of the warnings Christ gives is this: “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect” (verse 24).

The Greek word translated “elect” is eklektós, which means “chosen ones.” It’s a term used a number of times in the New Testament to refer to true believers in Jesus (e.g., Luke 18:7; Romans 8:33; Colossians 3:12). Will the false miracles performed by the false messiahs and prophets in the end times be so convincing that even born-again believers will be led astray?

There are two reasons why the answer to this question is “no.” First, nearly all Bible commentators agree that the grammatical construction of the verse and its parenthetical statement “if possible” strongly point to such a thing being out of the question. The deception will be strong, the miracles will seem real, and the intent will be to mislead everyone, including the elect. But God’s grace will prevail. His chosen ones will not be drawn away into deception.

Second, the Bible firmly speaks to the fact that the elect are protected by God from deceptions that would result in eternal separation from Christ. Paul tells us that God “chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him” (Ephesians 1:4); Peter says that the chosen “are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Peter 1:5); and Jude says that the chosen are “beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ” (Jude 1:1). The elect will persevere in God’s strength.

With respect to following false Christs, Jesus says, “He who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers” (John 10:2–5). The sheep know their Shepherd.

Being deceived is a mark of the unregenerate: “At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures” (Titus 3:3). After salvation, we may stray from the truth at times, but the Bible makes it clear that the elect of God cannot be deceived to the extent of being finally lost. If God’s chosen ones could be deceived in such a way, God’s choice of them would be defeated, and that is not possible. All who are in Christ have been predestined, called, justified, and will eventually be glorified (Romans 8:30). They have been given to Christ; and of all those who have been given to Him, He will lose none (John 10:28)

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So brother, you are right. Let's search the scriptures holistically. God bless us all the true believers. Thank everyone else for their contributions which were edifying

TheNoble007:
Permit me to encourage you. It is one thing for us to know that Christ Jesus paid the price for us to be free. It is also another thing to grab that victory of freedom from any darts of the enemy and walk in it. As I am growing in God, one of the tricks of the devil is to subject people to believe that they are in bondage even though they know in their hearts that they are in pursuit of holiness and righteousness. The only way we are to walk in the victory of freedom in Christ Jesus is to embrace the cross deeply- the path of constant holiness.

There is a difference between believing in the mind and believing in the heart. The mind is a place of fiction. The heart is a place or reality. We need to believe in our hearts without fear about the finished work of Christ Jesus.

Many times, God shows us what is to happen. Not that it has happened, but that we should watch and pray. Shoes in spirit means your personal walk with God. Your communion with God. And the color of that shoe represents your spiritual state at that time. The first thing the enemy does is to attack our walk with God so that we don't have that fire anymore. And once that fire is extinguished, they can come in.

You should know that everybody on this earth is under surveillance. Demonic surveillance. Even from birth. That is why no sin will go without notice. Even hidden ones. And when one is under attack, it is to bring that person to ground state again. When a soul begins to deal with a particular sin, the demon in charge cries for help to other demons as he is loosing dominance over that soul. At this time, the weakness of that individual, which is being inflamed by demonic powers, will increase at greater measure. The urge to sin will be so strong than before. This is demons warring against the soul to bring him/her back to captivity. If the soul perseveres and resist constantly, the demons have no part than to surrender for a while but yet they keep watch. Demons don't flame our strength, rather they flame our weakness.

May God make us strong in our weakness and then we would walk in constant freedom. This is my prayer for myself. Proclaim that you are free then you are free. We are to fight from victory and not for victory. The day you became born again, a mighty work was done and you were detached. But there is power in words. Yes our words. Demons pick up negative words we say and use them to accuse us. Our words and proclamation are powerful. We should be mindful with our words. Your words from now is victory in Christ Jesus. Say it loud and let the demons hear.



Shalom....

Amen. Good write up

Sheggy13:
Try to at least acknowledge people's mail to you. If you don't like to be "disturbed" by private messages and mails, simply say so like the likes of Noble007 does instead of blanking people out.

Do you think it's easy? He gave no assurance of being able to get to everyone's mails. He obviously realistically cannot attend to everyone's mail considering the amounts he must be getting. He has explained before that he receives a lot and cannot be able to attend to everyone.
Even without that you yourself should understand that anyone in his position can't realistically attend to or acknowledge all mails. God bless.