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Ibehchizzy:
This Charles brother just dey cry for nairaland like hotondo since morning

Hve you read the user manual ? abuse boi go read it!

You can usually spot them by the familiar feathers.


How To Spot An Obidient On Nairaland: A User Guide.

Not everyone who criticises Tinubu is an Obidient. Not everyone who disagrees with Pastor Adeboye is an Obidient. Not everyone who supports opposition politics is an Obidient.

But there is a pattern.

If it quacks like an Obidient, insults like an Obidient, dodges facts like an Obidient, and shouts “data boy” like an Obidient, forgive me for recognising the duck.

You can usually spot them by the familiar feathers.

First, they rarely answer the issue. If you raise facts, they attack your motive. If you ask for evidence, they say you are paid. If you question Peter Obi, they say you are working for APC. If you defend a point they dislike, they call you “data boy.”

Second, they confuse abuse with intelligence. Instead of argument, you get insults. Instead of data, you get slogans. Instead of reasoning, you get “fake certificate,” “snatch and grab,” “criminal,” and other recycled chants.

Third, they practice selective outrage. When a pastor, activist or elder appears to support Obi, he is a voice of conscience. But if the same type of public figure says something that does not serve their political anger, he becomes tribal, fake, compromised or useless.

Fourth, they dodge facts like rain. Present figures, they change topic. Present history, they shout propaganda. Present voting patterns, they reply with emotion.

So no, I do not call people Obidient simply because they disagree with me. I notice the uniform: abuse first, evidence last.

If it walks like selective outrage, quacks like political intolerance, and swims comfortably in insult, I do not need DNA test to know the species.

You can deny being Obidient, but if your argument came from the usual insult factory, do not blame me for identifying the manufacturer.

doncartel:
His real name is Kenneth Onitiri, from Amuwo Odofin. We have done our investigation.

Precisely my point.

When exactly did you people start this “investigation”? Was Kenneth Okonkwo’s origin a problem when he was speaking for Obi? Was his name under investigation when he was defending Labour Party on national television? Did anybody ask for DNA when he was attacking APC and marketing Obi as the face of a new Nigeria?

No.

The “investigation” only began after he stopped singing from the Obidient hymn book.

That is the wickedness of cult-like politics. Once you are useful to the movement, you are pure. Once you disagree, they will investigate your village, your father, your mother, your lips, your surname, your childhood, your ancestry and even the shape of your mouth.

This is not politics. This is excommunication.

You people are not angry that Kenneth Okonkwo may be inconsistent. That would be a fair political criticism. You are angry that he left the altar. So instead of rebutting him, you are trying to unmake him.

Today, he is no longer Igbo. Tomorrow, he will no longer be Christian. Next week, maybe he never acted in *Living in Bondage*. That is how ridiculous this thing has become.

A normal political movement criticises defectors. A cult questions their identity.

So thank you for confirming the point: in Obidient theology, Igbo identity is not inherited. It is conditional. Once you stop supporting Obi, your village membership expires.

DomPerignon:
Even their merit argument is rubbish given how Obi as governor was considered the worst of the worst when he was in office.

Many of those Obidients here today like Mrvitalis, kobojunkie and co were all in agreement way back in 2012 that obi was a monumental failure as governor.

How and when Obi changed their minds about his leadership and adminstrative skills given that obi has been out of public service since he left Anambra govt house only them can explain.

I agree with this point, especially on the so-called “merit” argument.

The Obidient claim is that Obi must be supported purely on competence and merit. Fair enough. But if merit is truly the standard, then Obi’s record as governor must also be subjected to the same scrutiny. You cannot shout “Go and verify” when it favours him, then shout “stop attacking Obi” when people actually verify.

The interesting thing is that before Obi became the emergency messiah of 2023, many people who later became Obidient voices were not always impressed with his governorship record. As far back as 2012, Nairaland had threads asking: **“What exactly is Peter Obi doing in Anambra State?”** In that discussion, even those trying to defend him admitted that Anambra’s governance fortunes had dwindled in his second term, while others described him as a monumental failure.

There were also older Nairaland discussions like **“Mr Peter Obi Has Failed,”** where users argued that his achievements were not phenomenal compared with Chris Ngige and questioned his planning and delivery.

So the question is legitimate: when exactly did Obi become the gold standard of leadership?

He left Anambra Government House in 2014. Since then, he has not governed another state, managed a federal ministry, led a national security institution, or run a complex federal economic programme. So what new administrative evidence changed the minds of those who once saw him as underwhelming?

If the answer is merely 2023 emotions, Muslim-Muslim ticket anger, anti-APC frustration and social media packaging, then let us be honest and say so.

Merit is not a slogan. Merit requires record, scrutiny and consistency.

And Obi’s record should not become sacred simply because his followers discovered him late.

Bahamas95:
Same way people like you conclude anybody criticizing your incompetent slave master is obidient or Igbo.

How To Spot An Obidient On Nairaland: A User Guide.

Not everyone who criticises Tinubu is an Obidient. Not everyone who disagrees with Pastor Adeboye is an Obidient. Not everyone who supports opposition politics is an Obidient.

But there is a pattern.

If it quacks like an Obidient, insults like an Obidient, dodges facts like an Obidient, and shouts “data boy” like an Obidient, forgive me for recognising the duck.

You can usually spot them by the familiar feathers.

First, they rarely answer the issue. If you raise facts, they attack your motive. If you ask for evidence, they say you are paid. If you question Peter Obi, they say you are working for APC. If you defend a point they dislike, they call you “data boy.”

Second, they confuse abuse with intelligence. Instead of argument, you get insults. Instead of data, you get slogans. Instead of reasoning, you get “fake certificate,” “snatch and grab,” “criminal,” and other recycled chants.

Third, they practice selective outrage. When a pastor, activist or elder appears to support Obi, he is a voice of conscience. But if the same type of public figure says something that does not serve their political anger, he becomes tribal, fake, compromised or useless.

Fourth, they dodge facts like rain. Present figures, they change topic. Present history, they shout propaganda. Present voting patterns, they reply with emotion.

So no, I do not call people Obidient simply because they disagree with me. I notice the uniform: abuse first, evidence last.

If it walks like selective outrage, quacks like political intolerance, and swims comfortably in insult, I do not need DNA test to know the species.

You can deny being Obidient, but if your argument came from the usual insult factory, do not blame me for identifying the manufacturer.

SeverusSnape:
This one is working overtime for his monthly stipends... Eiya.

How To Spot An Obidient On Nairaland: A User Guide.

Not everyone who criticises Tinubu is an Obidient. Not everyone who disagrees with Pastor Adeboye is an Obidient. Not everyone who supports opposition politics is an Obidient.

But there is a pattern.

If it quacks like an Obidient, insults like an Obidient, dodges facts like an Obidient, and shouts “data boy” like an Obidient, forgive me for recognising the duck.

You can usually spot them by the familiar feathers.

First, they rarely answer the issue. If you raise facts, they attack your motive. If you ask for evidence, they say you are paid. If you question Peter Obi, they say you are working for APC. If you defend a point they dislike, they call you “data boy.”

Second, they confuse abuse with intelligence. Instead of argument, you get insults. Instead of data, you get slogans. Instead of reasoning, you get “fake certificate,” “snatch and grab,” “criminal,” and other recycled chants.

Third, they practice selective outrage. When a pastor, activist or elder appears to support Obi, he is a voice of conscience. But if the same type of public figure says something that does not serve their political anger, he becomes tribal, fake, compromised or useless.

Fourth, they dodge facts like rain. Present figures, they change topic. Present history, they shout propaganda. Present voting patterns, they reply with emotion.

So no, I do not call people Obidient simply because they disagree with me. I notice the uniform: abuse first, evidence last.

If it walks like selective outrage, quacks like political intolerance, and swims comfortably in insult, I do not need DNA test to know the species.

You can deny being Obidient, but if your argument came from the usual insult factory, do not blame me for identifying the manufacturer.

“APC Did It in 2015” Is Not a Manifesto

One of the laziest arguments in today’s opposition politics is this constant refrain: “But APC did it to PDP in 2015.”

So what?

If APC did something wrong in opposition, does that now make it right? If you accused APC of propaganda, recklessness, institutional attacks, ethnic baiting, judicial pressure or political blackmail in 2015, how does copying the same behaviour in 2027 become your evidence of moral superiority?

That is not principle. That is revenge wearing the agbada of democracy.

A serious opposition does not build its ethics on retaliation. It does not say, “They were irresponsible then, so we too must be irresponsible now.” That is how nations remain trapped in a cycle of political childishness: yesterday’s victims become today’s offenders, while the country keeps paying the bill.

Besides, those who keep invoking 2015 often forget what actually happened. APC did not defeat PDP by noise alone. It built a coalition. ACN, CPC, ANPP and others merged. Governors defected. Regional structures aligned. The North consolidated. The South-West delivered. There was a clear national machine behind the anger.

Today’s opposition wants to copy the outrage of 2015 without copying the organisation that made 2015 work. They want the protest without the structure, the anger without the arithmetic, the slogans without the polling-unit machinery.

That is why the argument collapses.

If your defence for bad politics is that APC once did it, then you are not offering Nigerians a better alternative. You are merely promising them a change of actors, not a change of behaviour.

Nigeria does not need an opposition that imitates what it condemned. It needs an opposition that improves on it.

So the question is not whether APC did something in 2015.

The question is: if you claim to be better, why are you copying what you called bad?

DomPerignon:
That's because the obidient movement has an ethnic agenda at its core so when and if any of their co ethnics break ranks , his identity becomes suspect.

The biggest fools are the non Ibos in the obidient movement who can not or refuse to see it is an ethic agenda to foist an ethnic champion as President.

What is there to gain as a non Ibo supporting Obi?

Same Obi who was once in the same league as Theodore Orji competing for worst governor ever and was nominated by his own Anambra people here for that ignoble tittle is whom some idiotes think is the one to turn Nigeria around.


Well, it's no surprise that obidient movement is an ethnic charged movement hell bent on selling an ethnic candidate .

It all started with the demands by Ohaneze to have both the APC and PDP zone their tickets to the SE . This unleveled playing field is what Ohaneze felt was required to ensure an Ibo becomes president and to add insult to injury , they rested their demands on Ibo presidency on the silly argument that Nigerians had to atone for the civil war that Ibos instigated by gifting them the Presidency on a platter of gold.

All of them dey ment for that side.

Honestly, the dangerous identity-policing inside the Obidient movement needs to be exposed.

Once you agree with them, you are a patriot. Once you disagree, your tribe, surname, mother, lips, village and ancestry suddenly become public property for political autopsy.

That is why non-Igbo supporters who think they are immune should pay attention.

Ask Doyin Okupe.

He was not a stranger to the movement. He was the pioneer Director-General of Peter Obi’s 2023 presidential campaign before Akin Osuntokun later replaced him. After he broke ranks and began taking positions they disliked, many of the same people who once defended him turned on him.

So people like Rufai Oseni, Obasanjo and other non-Igbo sympathisers should understand the pattern. Today, they are praised because they are useful. Tomorrow, if they challenge the altar, the same mob will give them the Doyin Okupe treatment.

That is the danger of fanatical politics.

It does not reward principle. It rewards loyalty.

And once loyalty breaks, the mob does not debate you.

It profiles you.

Kukutente23:
So why are you writing so many threads about Obi and asking him and Obidients to tell you what they'll do differently? How exactly do you expect a neutral and undecided reader to respond to that?
Except you mean you're writing negatively and looking to demarket Obi.
Besides, the questions I asked are about Tinubu and how he has steered the economy into troubled waters the effect even you admit are being felt by the neutral citizens. So how do you hope to convince such people that what they are feeling is not the reality if you cannot answer such honest questions that are borne of our daily economic reality brought by the actions of your god?
You're simply wasting your time

Are you now saying Obidients do not know what Peter Obi will do differently?

Because that is the question you are trying very hard to dodge.

If Obi has a clear alternative, why does asking for it sound like demarketing? If he has a superior plan, why are his supporters always irritated when people request details? If he is the answer, why does every simple question about the answer produce anger instead of explanation?

The truth is that Obi has not told many of you clearly what he will do differently because he himself keeps speaking in slogans, not a governing blueprint.

“Move from consumption to production” is not a full economic plan.
“Cut cost of governance” is not a national rescue manual.
“I will secure Nigeria” is not security architecture.

On Tinubu, I have never denied that Nigerians are feeling pain. Inflation, food prices, naira pressure and hardship are real. Only a dishonest person will pretend people are not suffering.

But acknowledging pain is not the same as accepting any alternative sold with fine English and victimhood packaging.

I have also pointed out areas of progress where they exist. The problem is that you cannot hear because your ears are itching for only one song: “Tinubu bad, Obi saint.”

My question remains: what is the alternative?

If Obi is the alternative, he must be scrutinised. His record, his claims, his party movement, his coalition confusion, his economic promises, his temperament, his supporters and his strategy must all face light.

That is not demarketing.

That is democracy.

And to be honest, the more we shine light on Obi, the more maggots keep crawling out from under the saintly packaging.

So no, I am not wasting my time.

I am doing what serious citizens should do: refusing to replace one set of problems with another candidate Nigerians are not allowed to question.

SeverusSnape:
You are really hustling for this data boy stipend o
Well done Oga Charly.

This “data boy stipend” line is already tired. At this point, even the insult needs salary increment.

When you cannot answer facts, you start auditing imaginary payroll. That is the trademark of[b] Payroll Paranoia Boys [/b] and Evidence Evaders.

If data frightens you, say so plainly. Don’t hide your allergy to facts inside stipend jokes.

And thank you for calling me Oga Charly. At least even in your confusion, you still recognised seniority.

opeldavid:
Shut up!!!

And gettat!!

“shut up” and “gettat” is not a rebuttal. It is what an argument says when it has fainted.

This is classic Obidient smoke-alarm politics: no facts, no point, just noise once the kitchen gets hot.

So no, I won’t shut up.

You gettat from the debate table first; adults are discussing with evidence.

Scrap:
The irony is that you accuse others of moving the goalpost while quietly raising the burden of proof to an impossible standard.

Political interference does not always come with a signed memo titled, "How to stop Peter Obi from contesting." Democracies are undermined through patterns of conduct, selective enforcement, institutional pressure, and coordinated actions. Those are assessed by looking at the totality of events, not by waiting for a written confession.

You demand the names of actors, documents, court filings, and official confirmations. That sounds reasonable until you remember that governments rarely issue official documents admitting political interference. By that logic, many abuses of power throughout history could never have been questioned until years later.

You also portray Obi's concerns as "vibes," yet Nigerians have witnessed opposition rallies disrupted, party members harassed, candidates challenged through endless litigation, and state institutions accused of acting inconsistently. You may disagree with the interpretation, but pretending those concerns exist in a vacuum is selective.

On structure, you continue to treat organisation as though it exists independently of Nigeria's political environment. Building a nationwide political movement against entrenched parties with access to state resources is not comparable to organising within an established ruling party. Structure matters, but so does the environment in which that structure is built.

More importantly, accountability cuts both ways. If you demand forensic proof from every statement made by the opposition, then apply that exact standard to every claim made by the government. Where is the evidence that the economy is improving for ordinary Nigerians? Where is the evidence that insecurity has significantly declined? Where is the evidence that anti-corruption institutions operate without political influence? The same skepticism should apply across the board.

Nobody should be above scrutiny, including Peter Obi. But scrutiny should not become a one-way microscope focused only on the opposition while the government receives the benefit of every doubt.

That is not objectivity.

That is selective accountability.

This is polished grammar, but the logic still has a cracked foundation.

Nobody said political interference must come with a signed memo. Patterns matter. Selective enforcement matters. Institutional pressure matters. But patterns are the beginning of suspicion, not the end of proof.

You cannot move from “some things look suspicious” to “they don’t want Obi on the ballot” as if suspicion has now graduated into evidence.

That is the gap you keep decorating with English.

If Obi says the political environment is hostile, fair enough. If he says institutions must be watched carefully, fair enough. If he says opposition parties must prepare legally, fair enough.

But when the message becomes “they don’t want me on the ballot,” then the burden becomes more specific. Who are “they”? What exactly did they do? Which process is being manipulated? Which case proves it? Which official action directly targets him?

You cannot use general Nigerian distrust to validate a specific persecution claim.

On structure, nobody denies that entrenched parties enjoy advantages. Reuters itself reported that Obi’s recent opposition movement has been weakened by split alliances, internal legal disputes and factionalism. That is not just “state pressure”; that is opposition self-injury.

The current NDC and ADC matters also show real legal hurdles. NDC has appealed the Lokoja ruling reversing its registration, while ADC has said it will appeal the deregistration order against it. Those are serious matters, but they are still legal disputes, not automatic proof that Tinubu is secretly behind every crisis.

As for government accountability, agreed completely. Demand proof from Tinubu. Demand proof on inflation, insecurity, reforms, anti-corruption and campaign promises. But that standard must not become a one-way torchlight.

If government must prove performance, opposition must prove persecution.

You cannot demand audited accounts from government and accept emotional receipts from Obi.

That is not objectivity.

That is selective suspicion in a graduation gown.

chidiokay:
Did you see how you have failed again, i know you are @least above 18yrs ... Afams oshiomole you to beba strong critic of Obasanjo govt ... Did he go about it calmly

Tinubu use to be a strong of Any govt as long as it is not him .... If he went about criticizing abacha " calmly" will Abacha ask for his head

they shout, Sowore is a strong critic of govt even before Tinubu, does he use bed room voice
those that led occupy Nigeria at ojota i was there, did we use bed room voice to condemn jonathan

is it not a normal reaction to be uncalm when you are Agitated or pained about something.

when you try to white wash and trivialize peoples pain, agony and loss .... they have every right to express there anger , so far dem no break the law

you want to Tell me Nigeria is the safiest country ....please be ready to recieve anger from those that have lost kids, parent or friends to insecurity
Yiy can never confuse me Agitation, anger or loud voice is pertinent to Obedient




All the things you are attributing now, Bro APC did it in build up to 2015 election, lai mohammed was not civil, infact Apc then called Jonathan all manners of derogatory name which " clueless" stand out
Tinubu play ethnicity, play religious card, name it, Their is nothing you see with the obedient that we have not seen even before there father Peter Obi declare his ambition.
Buhari was president for good 8yrs ... did you hear us accuse him of conspiracy to silence opposition

The conspiracy we accuse Tinubu of now, please check at no time have multitude accuse any past president of such, plss fact check me. Maybe we know Tinubu, he is not a stranger at All


typical gaslighting, Bro show evidence were anyone asked Tinubu to wear kaski nd enter bush to rambo bandit out of existence, shey you see that you & baba Adeboye are just being ****
when Tinubu, pastor Adeboye were telling jonathan to resign, he is clueless, he is unfit ... was jonathan suppose to wear kaaki nd enter bush, then he reffused .. make una they think naw

Does Tinubu look like someone that can win Remi in a wrestle match talk more of carry gun ..that baba wey dey bedwet n shake.



Oga leave grammar,, Jonathan also have right to All these excuses for failure, But Nigerians we said no if you can't deliver leave, which Tinubu spearheaded himself.
one thing i have realize is, there is always a justification for failure, in a condone environment ... your son carry last for class, 20th out of 21... if you let the boy talk he will explain how the teachers gave him the hardiest questions and put him in the front sit, nobody to copy. very wicked teachers
Did Tinubu give jonathan a listening ear in 2015 , now you feel Nigerians owe him to listen to his excuses abi



Bro stop beating around i have given you instances, in all structured environment where hierachy exist ....the head always. take the fall for failure or glory for win
Assuming as Tinubu regme begain the military defeated terrorism, Today Tinubu boiz will be everywhere using it to campaihgn exclusively they will say Tinubu did what other president could not ... Bro i no be small pikin ... i don't just talk



Oga ... relationship/closeness invalidates Neutrality as seen in most cases, You see soyinka hiding, he can't even speak against Tinubu govt, early he said people should give him 2yrs ... after nkor baba go hide
look at Tunde bakare thats one known activist pastor, Baba lost his tongue over the night thats what closeness, r/ship do to people with no Dignity
onces it is your person you change mouth, Omo wa ni e fi le ..

Obi is not the presidet, he does not decide Nigeria climate in any form .. so why will anyone objective chose to leave govt nd be opposing opposition. e no make any sense criticize Obi to bring fuel down or do what, please go n be criticizing him naw


Funnily, in the last 3yrs Adeboye have never said anything that resonate the true mind of Nigeria, thatbman as done nothing but speak from All sides of his mouth .. ..pls bring out any video he served bitter truth to power without mincing words. one


Please brand my submission, say whatever, What makes me Know i am better than you is my voice correlate with million voices, when i nagg, cry, wail ..charles the public outburst depict i amplified the minds of the voiceless

you know why you must always be on govt side

Your long sermon still dodged the main point.

Nobody said APC was holy in 2015. Nobody said Lai Mohammed was a choir master of civility. Nobody said Tinubu, Sowore, Oshiomhole or Occupy Nigeria used bedroom voice. So stop debating the argument you invented.

The issue is not whether citizens should be angry. Anger is allowed. Protest is allowed. Harsh criticism is allowed.

The issue is when anger becomes abuse, when criticism becomes dehumanisation, and when every disagreement becomes “paid agent,” “bigot,” “fraudster,” or “APC dog.”

That is the difference you keep running away from.

On Adeboye, the viral “he protested against Jonathan” photo has been fact-checked as misleading; RCCG said it was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings, not an anti-Jonathan protest.

Yes, Adeboye’s “khaki” defence of Tinubu can be criticised. Even Sahara Reporters and Daily Post reported that he said Tinubu should not be expected to personally wear military uniform to fight terrorists.

But criticising that statement is not the same as calling him useless, fake, dog, fraudster and bigot. That is not agitation. That is attack-dog politics.

So no, I am not whitewashing anybody’s pain.

I am saying pain is not a licence to abandon sense.

If shouting, abuse and insults were solutions, Nigeria would have become Singapore since 2012.

One of the funniest things about Obidient politics is how quickly identity becomes negotiable once you stop clapping for Peter Obi.

Kenneth Okonkwo was Igbo enough when he was defending Obi on television. He was Igbo enough when he was a Labour Party spokesman. He was Igbo enough when he was attacking APC, defending the Obidient movement, and marketing Obi as Nigeria’s political redeemer.

But the moment Kenneth Okonkwo parted ways with Peter Obi and Labour, some people suddenly opened an emergency ethnic verification office.

All of a sudden, the same Kenneth Okonkwo they once hailed as a proud Igbo voice became a subject of forensic village investigation.

“Is he really Igbo?”
“Look at his face.”
“Check his lips.”
“Maybe he should ask his mother about one Yoruba man called Samuel Onitiri.”

This is where politics removed its shoes and entered full comedy.

Kenneth Okonkwo was born in Nsukka, Enugu State. His surname, Okonkwo, is not exactly Swedish. It is one of the most recognisable Igbo names in Nigeria. The man became a Nollywood legend through Living in Bondage, a film deeply rooted in Igbo culture, language and identity.

But because he no longer sings from the Obidient hymn book, some people now want DNA test, village clearance, ancestral affidavit, maternal cross-examination and probably a letter from his great-grandfather’s age grade.

Then came the Samuel Onitiri episode — the kind of gossip that makes common sense pack its bags and relocate.

Suddenly, old photos were dragged out, facial features were being audited, and social media became a laboratory for tribal guesswork.

No document. No evidence. No credible proof. Just vibes, anger and political heartbreak.

That is the tragedy of fanatical politics.

When you agree with them, you are a son of the soil.
When you disagree with them, they start searching your family tree with a torchlight.


Imagine that: a man’s political disagreement with Peter Obi is now being measured by the geometry of his lips.

That is not politics. That is ethnic witchcraft wearing social-media clothes.

This is the same pattern we have seen repeatedly. If a Yoruba man supports Obi, he is “detribalised.” If a Yoruba man supports Tinubu, he is “tribalistic.” If an Igbo man supports Obi, he is a patriot. If an Igbo man questions Obi, he is no longer Igbo enough.

That is not principle. That is identity laundering.

Kenneth Okonkwo may be politically restless. He may be inconsistent. He may deserve criticism for moving from platform to platform. But questioning whether he is Igbo because he no longer supports Obi says more about the accusers than about him.

In Obidient theology, Igbo identity is apparently not inherited. It is renewable annually, subject to loyalty to Peter Obi.

Once you leave the altar, your village membership expires.

And if they cannot defeat your argument, they will start measuring your lips.

DatNiggaDaz:


CharlesCNG

Changing monikers to defend and support loes will not help you and will not change anything. Your messiah will be disgraced out of that snatched Office after decieving Muslims from the North and abandoned them to their fate.

Your faaaake certttifficcate holder faaaake guru str*tegist has been demystified as the woefull failure he is in all sectors.

No amount of gaslighting, lies, propaganda, religious big*try and tribalism you employ will save the roasted fraudulent electricity fraud

My brother, this is not a rebuttal. This is emotional exhaust smoke.

You accused me of changing monikers, supporting lies, defending a messiah, deceiving Muslims, fake certificate, failed strategist, propaganda, religious bigotry, tribalism and electricity fraud — yet you did not answer the actual issue raised in the thread you are responding to.

i know the typical obidient playbook: If you cannot counter the message, try to deflect by going for the messaenger.

That is the contradiction you are running away from.

All this “fake certificate,” “roasted fraud,” and “snatched office” chanting is just political karaoke. Loud, familiar, and empty.

You people have mastered the art of using abuse as a smoke bomb. Once the argument becomes inconvenient, you throw every slogan into the air and hope nobody remembers the question.

But I remember.

The question is not whether you hate Tinubu. That one is already obvious.


So please, park the tantrum and answer the argument.

.

slivertongue:
You are trying hard to gain the attention of the transactionists try harder but learn to write it valid logic.

My brother, “learn to write valid logic” is not a rebuttal. It is what people say when they have no answer but still want to sound like they attended a debate club.

The logic is simple enough:

When INEC grants NDC portal access, your side celebrates and quotes “professionalism.”

When INEC obeys a court process that threatens NDC, your side calls INEC useless, captured and APC-controlled.

That is the contradiction.

You can call people “transactionists” from now till next election, but name-calling will not repair broken logic.

This your response is like a student writing “wrong answer” on the board without solving the equation.

If my logic is invalid, show where.

If not, stop spraying grammar perfume on an empty argument.

HIGHESTPOPORI:
Any evidence to point it's Obidients?

My brother, asking for evidence that it is Obidient behaviour after displaying the full Obidient starter pack is like asking for a laboratory test to confirm rain while standing outside soaked.

Nobody is saying every critic of Adeboye is Obidient. The issue is the pattern.

When a person does not simply criticise, but immediately jumps to abuse, political labelling, “paid agent” accusations, Tinubu data-boy stereotypes, and refusal to engage the actual argument, the feathers are already showing.

If it quacks like Obidient outrage, insults like Obidient Twitter, dodges substance like Obidient Nairaland, and calls every opposing voice brainwashed or paid, forgive us for recognising the duck.

You don’t need party registration to belong to a political behaviour pattern.

Not every duck carries ID card.

Some only need to quack.

musa234:
I am not obidient and I also attacked him because he is fake and a bigot. Only you brainwashed individuals and his sheeples support this fake pastor and bigot.

You saying “I am not Obidient” while speaking exactly like the Obidient abuse wing is like a man entering a farm with feathers, webbed feet and a beak, then angrily insisting he is not a duck.

Nobody asked for your membership card. We are judging the behaviour.

You say you are not Obidient, yet your entire response is the same familiar recipe: insult first, evidence later — or no evidence at all. “Fake pastor,” “bigot,” “brainwashed individuals,” “sheeples.” Where is the argument? Where is the proof? Where is the intelligent disagreement?

You can criticise Adeboye. You can say he was inconsistent. You can say he should have spoken differently. That is fair.

But when your contribution is just abuse wrapped in anger, you have left criticism and entered mob theatre.

So yes, maybe you are not Obidient by registration.

But if it quacks like Obidient outrage, insults like Obidient Twitter, dodges substance like Obidient Nairaland, and calls every opposing voice brainwashed, forgive us for recognising the duck.

You may deny the badge, but the behaviour has already introduced you.

Tecno66:
They are attacking him because he joined protest against Jonathan when things were relatively better and is defending now Tinubu. They need to stop all this nonsense about de-radicalized terrorists. It will take us nowhere because they still have sympathy for their colleagues.

My brother, let us separate two things.

First, the viral claim that Adeboye “protested against Jonathan” has been disputed. RCCG recently clarified that the widely circulated photo was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings and insecurity, not an anti-Jonathan protest. So even the foundation of your outrage is shaky.

But even assuming he criticised Jonathan then, the question remains: why attack instead of criticise?

You can say Adeboye was inconsistent. You can say his standard under Jonathan and Tinubu appears different. You can say religious leaders should hold all governments equally accountable. That is criticism.

But calling him useless, fraudster, dog, APC pastor, and all manner of gutter names is not criticism. That is obidients mob behaviour.

And that is exactly what my thread is about.

On de-radicalised terrorists, nobody serious should dismiss the concern. Nigeria’s Operation Safe Corridor has faced real public suspicion, especially from communities and soldiers who fear that poorly monitored reintegration may create future security risks. International Crisis Group also noted that the programme was created to receive voluntary defectors from Boko Haram factions, but public trust and accountability remain major issues.

So yes, scrutinise deradicalisation. Demand transparency. Demand victim justice. Demand monitoring. Demand that no unrepentant killer is recycled into society.

There is a difference between a citizen and an attack dog

A citizen criticises policy.

An attack dog sees every issue as permission to bite. That's who the obidients are.

YourGFsnatcher:
Truth be told. He should just shut up. Anything he says is not making sense anymore. There's no how anyone can defend that talk. Defending that talk is giving leaders the excuse to be irresponsible. There's no country where the leader is not held accountable. Only in Nigeria where we have people like you Defending mediocre leadership. Mostly I don't blame the leaders, I blame people like you are willing to leave their brain and continue to give these people excuses to ubder perform. I'm not happy I'm jn a country with people like you.

You people keep arguing against what nobody said.

Nobody said leaders should not be held accountable. Nobody said Tinubu should be excused. Nobody said insecurity should be defended. Nobody said Adeboye’s statement is beyond criticism.

The issue is your inability to separate accountability from abuse.

A reasonable person can say: “Adeboye was wrong. The President must take responsibility for national security.” That is a serious argument.

But your own version is: “He should shut up,” “people like you left their brain,” “I am unhappy to be in a country with people like you.” That is not superior reasoning. That is frustration looking for a target.

Holding leaders accountable does not require insulting everyone who refuses to join your emotional chorus.

And please stop this lazy blackmail that anyone who rejects mob abuse is “defending mediocre leadership.” No. Some of us can criticise government failure without turning public debate into a shouting market.

Tinubu is accountable as President. Security chiefs are accountable. Governors are accountable. Intelligence agencies are accountable. Local collaborators are accountable. The system is accountable.

But accountability is not the same as pretending that insulting Adeboye suddenly improves national security.

That is the difference between serious citizens and[b] Outrage Hawkers[/b] — people who think anger is policy, insult is courage, and abuse is activism.

You are not angry because I defended failure.

You are angry because I refused to let your anger replace logic.

Bluearrow:
Are u sure u watched the video of Adeboye?? Because if u did u won't write this nonsensee. Someone that came out to criticize previous government where insecurity wasn't this high at all is now coming out to say if the president should wear Khaki?? Imagine the remark he made on Trump going to bed after giving orders? Trump that is constantly on Truth Social updating the world anytime US soldiers go to war. The man is a politician not a pastor.

This is another emotional detour.

Nobody said Adeboye’s comment cannot be questioned. If you believe he was tougher on Jonathan and softer on Tinubu, make that case with examples. That is a fair argument.

But the problem is that many of you cannot stop at criticism. You jump from “Adeboye was inconsistent” to “he is useless,” “fraudster,” “APC pastor,” and other gutter labels. That is where your argument loses moral weight.

On the “wear khaki” comment, the point is simple: the President is ultimately responsible for security direction, but he does not personally command every unit, guard every school, police every forest, or chase every kidnapper. There are service chiefs, governors, intelligence agencies, police commands, local informants, and community structures.

Holding Tinubu accountable is valid. Pretending every operational failure is solved by presidential shouting is childish.

As for Trump posting on Truth Social, posting online is not security strategy. A president can update the public and still depend on military command structures. Tweets do not replace troops. Social media does not replace intelligence.

So yes, criticise Adeboye if you think he was inconsistent. But stop pretending abuse is analysis.

A serious critic says: “Adeboye’s standard appears inconsistent between Jonathan and Tinubu.”

A headless peter obi mob says: “He is useless.”

That difference is exactly what my post exposed.

kullozone:
I'm not obidient, you fulll.

I don't have to be obidient to have common sense. I have never supported Mr Obi, but I will condemn and criticize any word that comes out of that hypothetical fraudster. Bad people

If you are not Obidient, you are doing a very convincing audition.

You don’t have to support Peter Obi to sound like the abuse wing of his movement. The issue is not your voter’s card. The issue is your behaviour.

An 84-year-old man makes a public comment, and instead of disagreeing with him intelligently, you jump straight to “hypothetical fraudster” and “bad people.” Then you want us to believe this is “common sense.”

No, my brother. That is not common sense. That is borrowed mob vocabulary.

You can criticise Adeboye’s statement. You can say he was inconsistent. You can say his defence of Tinubu was weak. You can even argue that religious leaders should avoid partisan commentary.

That would be a proper argument.

But when your response is insult first, evidence later or no evidence at all, you are no longer debating.

You are doing[b] Obidient cosplay[/b] — wearing the behaviour while denying the membership card.

So yes, maybe you are not Obidient.

But you sure sound like one: loud, abusive, allergic to nuance, and fully convinced that insult is a substitute for argument.

BOOZELEE:
Since u still don't want to use ur brain.I plead with u to make good use of it by donating it to luth students for practicals

The funny thing is that if LUTH students need a brain for practicals, they will not request yours, because they are studying functional organs, not political loudspeakers.

You are a classic obidient abuse boi — loud on insult, empty on proof.

So let us return to the matter: answer the argument, not my anatomy.

Scrap:
Interesting. You condemn insults, yet your entire write-up is built on sweeping stereotypes about Obidients instead of addressing the issues many Nigerians have consistently raised.

You ask for evidence about attempts to frustrate Peter Obi, but conveniently ignore the broader concerns about selective law enforcement, intimidation of opposition figures, unequal access to public spaces, politically motivated disruptions of rallies, and the uneven application of state institutions. Whether you agree with those concerns or not, dismissing them outright is not an argument.

On "structure," Nigerians have heard that talking point repeatedly. If structure alone won elections, many governors and presidents around the world would never have emerged. Political structures are built by people, and people are driven by ideas, credibility, and public trust. Every political party started with little or no structure at some point.

You also suggest that criticism of the APC automatically means idolising Peter Obi. That is a false choice. Many Nigerians criticise the APC because of rising inflation, a weak naira, unemployment, insecurity, and the hardship they experience daily. Those are real issues that affect millions, regardless of political affiliation.

Finally, asking for evidence is fair. But intellectual honesty requires applying the same standard to everyone. Demand evidence from the government for its promises, its economic projections, and its claims of progress with the same energy you demand evidence from the opposition.

Debate should be based on facts, consistency, and accountability, not selective skepticism or partisan narratives.

This is a well-polished attempt to move the goalpost.

Nobody said Nigerians should not criticise APC. Criticise APC on inflation, naira, insecurity, unemployment, hardship, governance failures and broken promises. Those are legitimate issues. But that is not the subject of this thread.

The issue is Peter Obi’s repeated habit of suggesting that unnamed forces are trying to stop him from being on the ballot without presenting clear evidence of the specific plot, actors, process and legal mechanism.

You mentioned selective law enforcement, intimidation, unequal access and rally disruptions. Fine. Bring the evidence case by case. Name the incident. Name the agency. Name the victim. Show the document. Show the court filing. Show the official denial or confirmation. That is how serious opposition works.

But you cannot throw a basket of general political grievances into the air and use it to validate one man’s vague claim that “they don’t want me on the ballot.”

That is not evidence. That is atmosphere.

On structure, you also missed the point. Nobody said structure alone wins elections. But no serious candidate can treat structure as an optional decoration. Ideas without structure are speeches. Popularity without structure is noise. Public trust without organisation is a rally crowd waiting to go home.

A man who wants to govern Nigeria must know how to build, keep and manage a stable political platform. If every party around him enters crisis, every legal challenge becomes persecution, and every setback becomes conspiracy, then citizens have the right to question his political management capacity.

You also claimed I suggest criticism of APC means idolising Obi. False. Many Nigerians criticise APC without turning Obi into a saint. The problem is not criticism of APC. The problem is the Obidient reflex that converts every criticism of Obi into “paid agent,” “data boy,” or “APC dog.”

Finally, on evidence, I agree completely: demand evidence from everyone. Demand it from government. Demand it from APC. Demand it from Tinubu. But also demand it from Obi and his supporters.

That is the entire point.

Accountability is not selective. If government must prove its claims of progress, then opposition must also prove its claims of persecution.

You cannot ask for evidence from power and accept vibes from opposition.

That is not intellectual honesty.

That is selective skepticism wearing a suit.

bro4u:
Shame on you

Shame on who exactly?

Shame on Peter Obi, the head of this headless mob, for building a movement where insult now passes as intellect and abuse is mistaken for activism.

Shame on the choir of permanent outrage that cannot answer one simple argument without shouting “paid agent,” “data boy,” “APC dog,” or “shame on you.”

Shame on those who call themselves democrats but only respect INEC when it favours them, only respect the judiciary when it pampers them, and only respect free speech when it praises their candidate.

Shame on the mob that attacks pastors, elders, critics, journalists, traditional voices, and ordinary Nigerians once they refuse to worship at the altar of Saint Obi.

Shame on those who turned politics into a street crusade of bitterness, where every disagreement becomes betrayal and every critic becomes an enemy.

So yes, shame on someone.

But not on the person asking questions.

Shame on the movement that has replaced argument with tantrum, strategy with victimhood, and leadership with emotional blackmail.

Before you shout shame on me, first check the political mirror; your obidient movement is standing there naked.

SeverusSnape:
Adeboye is a useless pastor. Redeem Church is a religious wing of Akara Peoples Congress... I rate a dog higher than the charlatan adeboye.

Cc: CharlesCNG

Thank you for proving the exact point of the thread.

Nobody has forced you to like Adeboye. Nobody said he is above criticism.

But look at your own response: “useless pastor,” “religious wing of APC,” “dog higher than him,” “charlatan.”

This is not criticism. This is emotional vandalism.

You people always mistake insult for courage. Once you disagree with a man, you don’t analyse his statement; you drag his name into the gutter and then pretend you are doing civic activism.

That is why the behaviour is easy to identify.

A serious person would say: “Adeboye was wrong because he blamed security failure differently under Jonathan and Tinubu.” That is an argument.

But when your entire contribution is abuse, animal comparison and political labelling, you have stopped debating. You are only performing anger for your choir.

So thank you once again.

You did not disprove the thread.

You became Exhibit A.

ogolemati:
I know the cause of all this .this supplement can cure and help you

Thank you for finally confirming the diagnosis.

When an argument becomes too heavy for you, you people immediately prescribe insults like roadside medicine sellers.

Instead of answering the issue — whether criticism of Adeboye automatically means wisdom, whether Tinubu can be blamed for everything while institutions are ignored, and whether Obidients have a familiar pattern of abuse — you ran to “supplement can cure you.”

That is the intellectual pharmacy of the Obidient abuse wing: no facts, no logic, no evidence, just fake diagnosis and cheap mockery.

But I understand your condition. It is called Argument Deficiency Syndrome — when someone has enough energy to insult but not enough sense to respond.

So keep your supplement, my brother. Use it first on your own logic. It is limping badly.

chidiokay:
On what basis the you arrive, Every voice oposing Pastor Adeboye hypocrisy are " Obedient"

suddenly, We talk of insurgence, You complain Tinubu data boiz stereotype " Obedient nii"

Their is no light you compain Tinubu boiz answer ... Obedient nii

Now these ridiculous habit of ascribing every opposing Voice as obedient is higly ridiculous, over 7 million Nigerians voted for Atiku/pdp ... have All these people died or relocated to Dubai with Atiku

NO Community Will Grow when elder statesmen play Hypocrisy .. we know pastor Adeboye & Tinubu family are very close, thats no crime
But the Man of God should have respected himself than come on Tv to play spoke Aid of the presidency

@ the highligted, no reason person will excuse Failed manager, in office you have dept heads, if his or her team fail the head of that team takes the punishment
if a branch is recording low patronage, the headquarter fire or change the branch manager.. why ??

Tunubu is the chief commander, he can only give orders , he has done his best, he can't wear kakaki nd carry gun

Chelsea fc, Man utd have sacked many Coaches ....what do this coaches do is it not to give strategy, formation, can Mourinho enter the pitch to play the ball himself .. So why is Managers that get fired nd the players that do own goal still retained

Baba defence for Tinubu no follow, thats me being over polite sef

To the Hypocrisy ..What did Papa Adeboye say when goodluck jonathan was president ..just one school kidnap the whole blame was on Jonathan
Now we have over 10 school kidnap then Baba make a sharp turn nd say dont blame the president

So who should we blame, who asked to be president ?? did we force Tinubu to kum rule us or he force himself on us shouting emilokan

Is Tinubu not aware of the state of the nation he inherited considering how close he is to the corridors of power?

This Man himself said, Don't pity me so why would a Pastor reduce himself to the mouthpiece of a politician, when he is supposed to be the mouthpiece of God? smh

You people keep missing the road while shouting that others are shallow.

Nobody said everybody criticising Adeboye is Obidient. Criticism is allowed. Adeboye is not above questioning. The issue is the Obidient pattern: once they disagree, they don’t argue calmly — they insult, tribalise, label, shout “Tinubu data boys,” and then pretend they are doing civic engagement.

You asked why every opposing voice is called Obidient. Simple: not every opposing voice is Obidient, but when a voice abuses like one, stereotypes like one, dodges substance like one, and turns every issue into Tinubu/APC conspiracy, people will recognise the familiar uniform.

On Adeboye’s point, you are also mixing two issues. Saying the President is ultimately responsible for national security is fair. But claiming he must personally “wear khaki” or carry gun is unserious. Even critics admit the security crisis is systemic — intelligence failure, police deployment, military capacity, local complicity, ransom economy and state-level weakness all play roles. Recent mass school kidnappings have drawn criticism of Tinubu’s security handling, but they also exposed wider structural failures in Nigeria’s security system.

So yes, hold Tinubu accountable. But accountability is not the same as pretending one man personally controls every checkpoint, every forest, every informant, every school gate and every tactical failure.

As for “Adeboye is close to Tinubu,” that is not an argument. If closeness automatically invalidates comment, then many of your own activists and pastors should also keep quiet whenever they comment on Obi.

The real hypocrisy is this: when Adeboye says something that favours your political anger, he is a respected elder. When he says something you dislike, he becomes a “biased bigot.”

That is not principle. That is selective outrage wearing choir robe.

Daguccizgreat:
Phoolisness at its peak. You think Obidients are the only ones attacking the biased bigot of a pastor. Shows how shallow you're

You people always expose yourselves faster than your handlers can repair.

The issue was never whether only Obidients criticised Adeboye. The issue is the style of attack: the familiar mixture of abuse, tribal suspicion, “paid agent” accusations, intolerance, and zero engagement with the actual argument.

Many people can disagree with Pastor Adeboye. That is normal. Pastors are not above criticism. But when the criticism immediately becomes insults, political labelling, ethnic framing and mob hysteria, then the feathers become familiar.

And please, calling him “biased bigot of a pastor” while accusing others of shallowness is comedy.
You are trying to prove you are not an intolerant political mob by speaking exactly like one.

This is the Obidient trademark: mistake loudness for logic, mistake insult for courage, and mistake hatred for political awareness.

Nobody said every critic is Obidient. But when a critic quacks with Obidient vocabulary, abuses with Obidient confidence, and dodges the substance with Obidient arrogance, forgive us for recognising the species.

You don’t have to wear the badge. The behaviour has already introduced you.

helinues:
They will confirm their attributes on this thread.

People wey no dey think again

Dont mind them. the bible says by their fruits you know them.

You can always notice the familiar feathers: abuse, tribal labelling, “paid agent” accusations, and zero engagement with the argument.

If it quacks like an Obidient, insults like an Obidient, dodges facts like an Obidient, and shouts “data boy” like an Obidient, forgive me for recognising the duck.

BOOZELEE:
Guy use ur brain.

Anyone against Adeboye is obidient in ur little understanding baa?

Please lend your own brain to the conversation first before asking others to use theirs.

I never said everyone criticising Adeboye is Obidient. That is your own invention.

What I said is that many of the loudest, most abusive attacks on him are coming with the familiar Obidient fingerprint: “paid,” “tribal,” “fake,” “data boy,” “criminal,” “certificate,” “snatch and grab,” and zero engagement with the actual statement.

If it quacks like an Obidient, insults like an Obidient, dodges facts like an Obidient, and shouts “data boy” like an Obidient, forgive me for recognising the duck.

There is a difference between criticism and abuse. A person can disagree with Adeboye without being Obidient. But when the response sounds exactly like the usual Obidient insult factory, people are allowed to notice the manufacturer.

So no, the issue is not “anyone against Adeboye is Obidient.”

The issue is: why do so many Obidient-style responses collapse into abuse whenever someone refuses to condemn Tinubu in their preferred language?

Use brain, yes. But first, stop using straw man as walking stick.