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AfahaAbia:
I prefer Nigeria seriously.

Naija any day any time. Anywhere else is just visit and go

We have our being and make our living by being in heaven everyday regardless of religion, creed and race or prayer to go there.

No one can exists without living in heaven at the same time they are living on earth.

This is why Jesus was bold in saying "the kingdom is within you".

"Man know thyself".

She was like a jockey on that thang

The white man spent good money making this report which did not explicitly indict the man because this was not his goal considering he could have directed his energy towards getting information that indicates the fraud exactly at its point of occurrence.


So this whole thing is to negatively launder the mans image and present the possibly hardworking and deserving man as a scammer.

There is one or two women who did same thing but was not caught among them.

This is likely the case...

That could be the issue..

Thinking you are entirely a good person does not equate capability to pull things off on a national level.

In fact certain things of this nature requires a pusher to pull off so that heaven wont fall. If it was a push-over, they would have been gone by now.

This is the hard philosophy of political effectiveness in a harsh environment.

Lovelink1991:
But why copying other people's religious in order to deceive the masses. It is vital to stay on one direction. If you are a traditional worshiper let me people know not combining traditional and Christianity together to deceive people

How are they deceiving you when they made it open and clear even from their dressing?

they should open it well lets see the whole size

Interesting statement..Let me watch and come back.

QuinQ:
U ok at all?

Just because you think saying "something makes logical sense doesn't mean it is so in real life" as a way of telling someone that what they said could be wrong despite it making logical sense does not make what the person you are questioning wrong at the same time.

The above is called Remix...as part of Project Making QuinnQ Understand that her earlier employment of a statement she most likely didnt grasp well is a miss-and-miss statement that isn't supposed to be used as such.

Since she came up with some mathematics to top it off, she should be aware that the mathematical property of that statement as used is a number starting with 0. Add, Subtract, multiply, its still=0.

Why use it in the first place? Who sent you

Anyways nice talking to you.

Dtruthspeaker:
How and when did judiciary enter here?

This is where you have to insult first to get the answer.

Or could the Holy spirit of insult and name calling not have fallen on you yet?

In any case, go get akpu and tear the leather. You answer will come up.

QuinQ:
This is exactly what I mean by slowness. So if someone waits for 1000 years then goes to Babalawo they didn't force it?
The point you were trying to make was it wasn't naturally meant to be.

Ok, you simply don't know what you talking about, then trying to.perse words whose meanings are obvious.

Again:
Just because something makes logical sense doesn't mean it is so in real life

yea, I can imagine that place you function from. A seperate city where logical things occur that do not exist in the second and seperate one which is considered real life.. Non of the two are in the same world.

so lets play back your logic at you one more time perhaps you will get the misplacement:


Just because you threw cliches, expressions and even made sensible arguments that seem logically reasonable doesnt mean it is correct

The exact paradox of all your logic put in one.

Dtruthspeaker:
How does akpu override my stand that "Certainty Is not a Barrier To Truth"?

Through the judiciary.

The minister was even considering importing of special microphones to capture the sound akpu makes when it finally passes the narrow way.

QuinQ:
I hope you're not slow or something whereby I'm wasting my time.
I just gave you an example of logical. Same way, your scenario is logical, but experiences haven't borne it out to be true. Hence I asked you to name situations where that happened in real life

Here's what you wrote:

If the mother is so desperate as to even use her own desperate and fervent desire that spills as prayer to force it (i repeat "force it"wink, these guys are ever ready to grant her her request.

...And thats the beginning of shege-banza for that household, community and country.

You "gave me an example of logical" to do what?
Yes, the examples in themselves as expressions are logical, but you do not understand them and was applying it in a matter you shouldn't if you grasp what they mean.

It really calls for slowness because your understanding is indeed beyond comprehension. Look at this:

In what you quoted, I said (" I repeat force it". Did a woman who had to wait 90 years to near a child appear to be some who forced things?


slow down.

QuinQ:
I think you have gotten yourself confused about something very simple.
Simple: if a=b and b=c then logically a=c. But in real life a=c may be false. Just because it makes logically sense does not mean it is true.

We back again to another. Again, I think you need to grasp what this one means:

That statement means properties A, B, C are all made of the same dang thing. Keyword is 'property' or composition.

They have no "real life" outside of those properties even in real life. If they cease to be equal, then they stop being A, B or C to become maybe X, F, U or Ca, Ab, Cx if it must be to the nearest...

Thats what that mathematical expression means fundamentally. Get it?

Now run that back to what I told you about Logic. Anything being logical and not being true is basically a relative statement because truth itself is not universally common. What is true to you or today might become another given another perspective so...?

Their mothers were barren; Isaac's mother was already in her 90's. As for Samuel, see her mother's story below

Oh really? The task was to find how their story contradicts what I said about seeking babies the right way.k

QuinQ:
So that's why I made my comment that just because something sounds logical does not mean it is true.

You probably do not understand what this statement is hence you keep applying it wrongly thinking its a rebuttal.

Truth and falsehood are a binary domain which only occur as opposites of the other and never exclusively. Further, they are a culmination of an operation, observation or logic.

As you can see, logic is simply a means to an end. So whichever path you tow (truth or falsehood), a logic must exist meaning based on the property anything, a logic is behind it.


So the idea of creating an arguement around that statement should never arise in the first place because its a binary property (truth), you can say too truth sounds logical while NOT being false, and falsehood sounds logical while not being truth--at best, its a trivial tautology.

Prophet Samuel and Isaac were two of those kids. Mention two that turned out monsters.
*Ebuka Obi and his twin are also two

Explain how their births came about and find contradictions based on my original post you first quoted. Do well to read it wholly and quote in your response.

LordReed:
I think there are ontological truths and it is our limited perceptions that produce this relativity. If we could perceive the entirety of the universe there be no relativity.

Exactly. So for the time being before we are able to, we don't want to sell meat as a/the Cow...

LordReed:
Exactly what I was trying to illustrate. The layers of truth here are not contradictory or unreal, they are just different by reason of perspective.

Yea, they are different by reason of perspective.

This point is where I differed with the OP to even conclude that there might be no such thing as Ontological Truth to begin with so long as perception and conventions arise from personal and collective Subjectives--which are not necessarily universal even within an isolated population.

So "certainty being a barrier to truth" is correct, but then Truth is a whole different concept that is complex.

LordReed:
While I agree that definitions should be taken into account but that just throws up the ancillary issue of equivocation. If we challenge madam born again virgin she might say she meant something different from what we think when we hear the word virgin. That to me reeks of a deliberate attempt to mislead. Nobody hears the word virgin and thinks of masturbation. If she meant masturbation why not say masturbation?

Another issue is one doesn't usually open a discussion or even just a conversation with the definitions of words, it makes discussions and conversations excessively pedantic and can often derail the entire exercise. Which is why we rely on the common meanings/usages of words. If you have your own meaning of a word or a peculiar unfamiliar meaning, then the onus is on you to supply that meaning instead of making people guess and then accuse them of being wrong because they can't read your mind.

When car enthusiasts are discussing cars in a leisurely and casual grounds, generally details like the physics and mathematical formula informing the design of the breaking system for instance is generally kept off the table. One wouldn't bring it up of course except if they want to be the odd one.

It changes when of course the discussion is by the design and engineering team with a goal to dissect and improve. At that point, nothing is left off, especially taken things for granted and at face value.

By now, I hope you are aware these discussions bothers on looking at the engineering behind 'Truth' and 'Reality' and not the regular casual and over simplification of what actually is not?

LordReed:
Lemme illustrate. It is true that gravity holds down everything on the planet to its surface but it is also true that aircraft and birds can fly off the surface and sustain their flight longer than merely throwing an object into the air could. In a sense the truths are relative because there is a change of reference which allows both to be true without contradiction.

Okay

But when some people say truth is relative, they mean they can hold mutually contradictory positions or they can hold positions that have no basis in fact or reality. For example a woman claiming she is a born again virgin. There is nothing that can erase the fact that she has already had PIV sex so her claim that it is her truth that she's a virgin again holds no water.

Well this is correct to a large extent.

The relativity of truth however is talking about how Truth must be placed against a Point of View (PoV) or point of reference, else it may not be true or correct. This is even as nothing we term reality can exist without juxtaposing it with a PoV. In other words, for us to experience a common or shared reality or truth--even subjectively, we have to make definitions of reality or truth to go with it. This inherently means to create limits or isolations...do you agree?

In the case of Ms. Virgin hence, we must find out her definition or understanding of virginity. If she claims its something like the style...well we let her know that "no", its not the style. 'Interactus' is. At that point we would have had close encounters with definitions of virginity and how this varies based on PoV. Should we dismiss her definition because the majority defined it differently? What if someone says masturbation dis-virgins? Isn't that an additional and admissible definition?

One person in a room with ten blind men turns on the light. Is there light in the room=true. Is the light physically true=yes, but to which of the parties? To which or what point of reference, measurement? These are relativities.

QuinQQ:
What do you mean by the statement below? Tell us how it does NOT lead to birth of monsters:

If the mother is so desperate as to even use her own desperate and fervent desire that spills as prayer to force it (i repeat "force it"wink, these guys are ever ready to grant her her request.

...And thats the beginning of shege-banza for that household, community and country.

QuinQQ:
What do you mean by the statement below? Tell us how it does NOT lead to birth of monsters:

If the mother is so desperate as to even use her own desperate and fervent desire that spills as prayer to force it (i repeat "force it"wink, these guys are ever ready to grant her her request.

...And thats the beginning of shege-banza for that household, community and country.

What is meant here is simple: Patronizing such people who ask for diabolic rituals for a woman to give birth 99% of the time leads to a birthing of
wayward children. This is also possible even if she use a more milder approach as using prayer or supplication where this prayer is an 'at all cost' type and not "surrendering to the will of God" type.

A wayward child causes trouble for themselves, and their parent...


Bonus:

In the realm where the people who can force their way into a womb exist, there are those who have churches they answer for as in an entity responsible for a church and its members. You can hear them saying "The God of church x"...They do heal and all manner of things earthlings do.

Just as you have heard the story of the woman in this story being referred to several places, so is that place. Several groups, interests, gangs, etc. Its a wild market.

Dtruthspeaker:
If he had stuck to this point and Truth of "There are levels to truth
But not all levels cancel each other out." he would have been right for they are True.

But he made the mistake of trying to say that "Certainty Is a Barrier To Truth" and that is a Big Lie.

I wish to assure you that having interfaced with you on here on Nairaland, these kinds of discussion are usually not for you.

Forcing yourself into it is why you easily get upset and insult people all around the place calling them names and whatnots.

I suggest you open a thread describing the different ways Akpu can be made and consumed. I assure you likely are more easily to agree or disagree with people without getting worked up each time.

LordReed:
In principle I agree but what I find is some seize these words to validate their positions which are demonstrably untrue.

I just wish there was a better way to express this.

OP bailed out. What do you mean though?

Lol, I can imagine the need for caution

QuinQQ:
1: Just because something is logical doesn't mean it is true.

2: Where's your proof of this? Give examples where women desperate for a child give birth to demons.

3: What usually happens is they give birth to a gifted child

All you stated above actually goes back to you starting from:

1: We have discussed this concept with you on here...If anything is logical but not true, you want to investigate your concept and scope of what you admit as "true".

2: I am only hearing from you that women give birth to demons...


3: Now is the right time for you to give us proofs. Where are the women? Give examples.

Interesting. its indeed a dark market.

Let me reveal one secret to those who are desperate for babies:

In the world in-between the physical and the spiritual, there are souls who are an advanced type of boko haram. Evil to the core who are looking for the slightest opportunity to be born on earth.

Even if you do not patronise these so-called pastors, marabouts and so-called spiritualists who are their physical liaison officers.

If the mother is so desperate as to even use her own desperate and fervent desire that spills as prayer to force it (i repeat "force it", these guys are ever ready to grant her her request.

...And thats the beginning of shege-banza for that household, community and country.

Prayer is okay so long as you surrender to the will of God after saying it. You however can have your way outside of it, and you will tell the story.

Kukutente23:
Peter who was chief among the disciples endorsed Paul's letters. Go and do your research and stop foaming at the mouth unnecessarily

Lol this one don vex already before more questions arrive

AlphaTaikun:
If you took the time to properly read my post WITHOUT any confirmation bias, I was "realistic or pragmatic" and gave absolute solutions to the issue while condemnning the brief altercation in that video. I ALSO called for more law-enforcements to mitigate the rising trends of harassments of innocent people in specific areas of Lagos, the FCT, and a few other cities of Nigeria. Fortunately, that guy didn't succeed in taking any money from him and initially used psychological games on the Chinese guy. I was a victim too back in the late 1990s while on a visit to the commercial district section of the "Inner Marina" on Lagos Island and had to part with some money just to get the guy who was skinny and definitely was on hard drugs off me otherwise due to aggression on his part, I could have been stabbed with a knife in broad daylight. So, these random harassments of innocent folks started long ago during the Military dictatorship years and grew worse based on official data from the NDLEA. There was NO poetry, minimization (or downplaying) of anything in my brutally honest post like you've suggesting in your post, because this is a serious topic and as an adult and veteran member of this NL discussion forum for 21 years now, I have to use my posts for educating folks here especially the younger ones.

Second, I repeat, "Agberos" are legitimate members of the national transport unions (who are also registered Nigerian Labor Congress or NLC members like doctors, nurses, lawyers, accountants, teachers, etc, who ALL have legitimate unions and these folks pay annual dues). Political reasons and bigotry are historically responsible reasons why some people (who aren't of Yoruba origin) misuse the term "Agbero" by FALSELY and "directly indicting" the transport unions' members like you stated. The Yoruba name for street gangs or street urchins is "Omo Ita" NOT "Agbero" and I corrected you people here especially the Ibos who are the ones misusing and even misspelling and/or mispronouncing the word "Agbero" and in that video, NOTHING suggests that the guy who harrased that Chinese is a member of any union of transport workers. He and his gang of friends where just passing by and just one person chose to irresponsibly harass that Chinese. Just as I said, the appropriate Yoruba term for street gangs is "Omo Ita" NOT "Agbero." Right in Onitsha too, and different parts of Nigeria, these street gangs or urchins called "Omo Itas" exist in varying populations and often times take psychotropic substances and harrass innocent folks for money. These have been discussed on NL and the mass media for years now. That shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand.

Even the name "Area Boy" which is derived from the Yoruba word "Omo Adugbo" originally evolved as a Yoruba urban lingo from the 1970s in 'Fela Anikulapo-Kuti's neighborhood in Lagos before spreading to other parts of Yorubaland as urban slangs. The "Omo Adugbos" or "Area Boys" were and are still the protectors from forms of intimidation of people and community developments. How some highly uninformed people in a segment of the media and especially the younger ones started misusing the term "Area Boy" to mean a "bad person" or "criminal" shows an absolute degeneration of historical knowledge which ONLY constant reeducation can solve. Period.

Well, whatever you might have said, you missed one salient reality: Ascribing negativity to the term "agbero, Area boy, etc" are direct indictments as to who they really are. It is the same phenomenon in Nigerians referring to any detergent as "OMO". Get it?

[quote author=AlphaTaikun post=140520058][/quote]You went for poetry instead of being pragmatic.

Regardless of the original meaning, that people use such behavior to associate them to is a direct indictment


Further, that other cities in the world have such places does not automatically mean one should even use that as an example to downplay or window-dress thuggery, extortion and indiscipline especially online.

motionarena:
Why should he?
Your leaders empower such attitude.

Any objective evidence to this claim?

That agbero should he rounded up if there is a governor in Lagos state.

The action of that guy just toppled several metrics Lagos should come out fine on.

youngalex:
I have worked hard all my life from acquiring basic education up to masters degree and with over 15 years combined public and private sector service with a clean record.

Why will a Man who has been indicted in a drug related offence preside me? it defies rational reasoning and a dent on our National Image.

Lol, if I were you, I would start by not getting educated in a corrupt education system. This is not talking of disowning one of the most corrupt country in Africa to be of another nationality that is 100% clean if I was serious about it