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triplechoice:
No. I won't accept that the above "might be a topic for another day". I see clearly what you did there, and want to address it before we talk about "this science in your own words" .

As you were "watching" from "afar" , the difficulty you thought you observed was not from me . It was from your own inability to comprehend what I commented on, "logically sound and rationally consistent", and my statement that "it's not proof of anything". Yes, that's correct. It isn't.

The exact words are, "rationally consistent". Not your edited version, "rational consistency", which you modified to suit your agenda.

You deliberately, or let me say, innocently, edited, "rationally" in the phrase to " rational" and then placed it side by side with my past comment from another thread where I defined "scientifically proven" as a "rational explanation" of phenomena. Your goal was to imply I contradicted myself and don't know what I'm saying.

But "rationally consistent" and "rational explanation" are not the same grammatical structure with the same function.

"Rationally consistent" is an adjective phrase telling us what kind of argument it is. It is one that is logically sound or one that follows the rules of logic. That's all. It says nothing about whether the argument corresponds to reality. Logic alone is not truth. It is also not evidence. An argument can follow the rules of logic perfectly but still completely false if it is built on a false premise.

"Rational explanation" , on the other hand, s a noun phrase. It answers the question: What kind of explanation is this?. Answer: One that is both logical and grounded in evidence. In scientific terms, that is what it truly refers to.



Your other mistake is that you interpreted "rational explanation" the same way creationist misinterprete the word, "theory" in science . And then argue ignorantly that " theory of evolution" is "just a theory, "just an idea", not proven. But they don't know that in science, a "theory" is a well-tested explanation supported by overwhelming evidence.

So when you quote my definition of "rational explanation" and try to apply it to Bostrom's argument, you're making the same mistake as someone who quotes the dictionary definition of "theory" and applies it to evolution. Context matters a lot. Scientific terms have specific meanings. You can't strip them of those meanings and then claim contradiction.


Bostrom's simulation argument is "rationally consistent", and "logically sound". But it is not a rational explanation of reality, because it lacks evidence. It offers no testable predictions, no observable phenomena, no method of verification. In fact, Bostrom himself in his 2009 paper, explicitly states, "I do not argue that we should believe that we are in a simulation. In fact, I believe that we are probably not simulated" So even the creator of the argument disagrees with how people are using it.

I did not contradict myself or had "difficulty" with anything. Just a distinction you missed, and now a grammar lesson you didn't expect. I will address the other points you raised later. But please address this first.

Talking of grammar lessons, what you had up there which to me was a huge miss on your part was merely a fair grammatical compression of “logically sound and rationally consistent.” I Converted an adjective phrase into a noun phrase merely for syntactic flow. This is not semantic distortion unless the meaning changes. In this case, it doesn’t. How you know is via a simple 'backverting' of my statement based on the flow and it gives you exactly what you had. It was so simple and technically sound that I never expected an issue on the grammatical side of it. The proof (even as used mathematically) is in the surrounding words, before and after. Missing those thin lines or subtleties are what makes the chef not know their onions...

More so and regardless of how I presented it, the fact that my impression, motive and further action around that statement clearly was ne'gative of both the semantic and pragmatic implication, and ultimately the philosophy of both the original version of the phrase as used by you, me, and Bostrom himself down to your buffer argument on what "Theory" is to "scientists".


You probably didn't get me asserting 'the main the main 'in the later parts of the above where I said "the joke was on you" and by extension oga Bostrom and the so-called scientists.

I was saying that that "It offers no testable predictions, no observable phenomena, no method of verification" is invariable semantically, lexically, lingo-cally to the original of logical soundness and rational consistency as you would have it-- they offer no rational explanation of reality all the same if one factors higher knowledge and even sciences or realities. This means however semantics and pragmatics is applied; it comes back to Bostrom's, and there in lies the joke.

Nothing is isolated, ironically all so-called scientific theories are events or conclusion which occur as a result of isolated interaction with a larger reality or phenomenon which makes up that isolated reality or theory. Isolated interaction admissibly is the only way the human experience can be possible (the joke intended). If man isn't in the quest of "finding answers" as in getting to the roots of it all as in the venture into quantum physics especially, one would say the theories and laws are 'super' as in absolute. This is not even touching on the unavailability or inefficacy of tools, techniques and data which may result to these comparably false positives we call reality, theory,law.

This is why said in there and the other thread I said I have that we cannot have reality as it is but rather have 'agreements' to the reality of our reality that a social, philosophical, scientific, theory, law etc is reality. This is where Bostrom et all gets checked. This means we (unconsciously) are participants of the concept that we merely are 'agreers' that relative to our physical and biological instrument and instrumentation, whatever we have (theories and all) are real, but not necessarily...this is in the same sense that if not for the ears, the current human-ears detectable sound spectrum would not be a reality despite that it exists. Science I am sure (should) have space for the plus factor, if so, then the bird at hand is not worth the thousands on the trees, we only agree it is.

The above buttresses the "simulation" abstraction of reality, which is a way of saying everything is subjective, relative, and never objective...but of course! The qualia phenomenon is one scientific pain in the butt to any attempt about and around objective reality.

Steep:
When you steal, lie, fornicate etc it means you are under the grip of sin and hence a slave of sin. Your awakening is actually a delusion, a false knowledge.
For your awakening to say you are not separate from the source (God) shows you are calling yourself God.
Your rejection of the truth shows you belong to the devil.

What does "ye are Gods" mean in the Bible means or implies please?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

After explaining the scripture above for a lay man as me, make an effort to exonerate the BIble for calling some some folks other than Jesus "Gods".

Your Awakening is coming from Satan the first rebel. You are a Satanist even though you deny it.
You rebel against God's word and equate yourself with him.

"God's words" how? which word and which book was this written and which verse of it has one that awakening is rebellion?

Jesus was not a man who became God, Jesus is God himself who took upon himself human body. Jesus proved his divinity by living a sinless life and overcoming death by his resurrection and by his exaltation by the Father that at the name of Jesus all creation should bow.
You are just a wretched sinful human like every other human being.

Lol if this was to be transcribed, its has turn to serious insulting but under the usual false "Holiness". Holy insults

OgaTheTop2:
Nigeria should just divide. That's the solution for everyone. But, you se that Lord Luggard...

divide and what happens next, Kidnapping automatically stops? In the new countries to be found, are brand new human beings going to be manufactured and stations there or what?

Kalulu44:
Why don't you leave that for the various regions to worry about

Oh, they are actually going to have something to worry about?

I thought when this division is done, phiam! heaven on earth.

triplechoice:
Here

The first others will come.

Why the simulation theory is pseudoscience

Sabine

https://bigthink.com/thinking/why-the-simulation-hypothesis-is-pseudoscience/

The man, the legend of "pseudoscience" itself .

Its interesting watching you from afar finding it difficult to wrap your mind around the fact that what you (would) call science is interestingly the very joke on your "logical soundness and rational consistency not being prove of anything". You obviously never caught the entirety of that statement in all its ramifications especially how that statement liberally or universally applies itself to even 'Proof' itself which you for one would admit as fact or science.

While the above might be another topic, lets talk about this science in your words

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven, are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

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Sounds familiar? Any second thoughts in view of your quote on rationality and consistency? Lets move on.

The question we all need to be asking and answering is who lived/died and made any body of individuals the canonical one for what passes as science? Whats that body called? 'Peer Review'? I laugh in Hindi...

Guys, here is a what that thing actually was and is today:

In the past everyday people, societies, etc practicing whatever would need a place to publish their findings. They look for what would pass as a news paper today to have it published, some have other ways they did it, not necessarily for it to be (peer) reviewed. They didn't have "peer review", yet what they had and did was SCIENCE by every right that we quote some of them today.

It was not until around the 70s when you began having "peer review" as a de facto standard for what passes as "scientific". Whats the purpose of it?

The average authority-gobbler like who sounds like you would think it is to check, verify phenomena and claims, and if it comes out well it becomes 'Science'. This is the biggest mistake and illusion one experiences when they reason like that.

Today Peer review is:

-You cannot even send a paper for review in the first place if you are not in an 'academic peer'.

-If you are, they decided whether your work is of 'interest' or not

-It is NOT a system made to catch errors as we thing. I repeat it is not, at least not for the 60-70% of it! It is so bad that the British Medical Journal had to do a research on this, guess what, about 40-50% falsehood passed as fact in the outcome. Another test of the so called peer review thing was 'The Grievances Studies Hoax'. Catastrophic this one for so-called "its scientific". This s not to talk of the ones deliberately made to mislead while checking out as true because it can be manipulated and it gets done most of the times.

These means triplechoice here can go screenshot one of those papers that is "science" and present to us here as some scientific fact and how it refutes some "pseudoscience" and of course that "science" will be "logically sound and rationally consistent". It is baptized in the almighty name of the (subjective) lens of Peer Review, The sponsors and The Interests.

Ultimately my contribution for this thread with you as the conductor is this:

1: No such thing as "pseudoscience" because fundalmentally, "logical soundness" (repeatable procedures with rational outcomes) are surprisingly subjective from varying angles and all angles. This goes for what you call reality and how any instance of it is not IT but an agreement that it is it. I have a thread on that and I hope it lays the foundation for your understanding that reality is indeed a simulation, in a 'computer'. All serious spiritual workers assert this publicly while knowing so internally counter to your earlier claim elsewhere. All reality is subjective in a simulative environment availed with a collective-observance properties or interfaces at which the agreements or acceptances are done.

2: Any outcome of any research can be manipulated into other direction of outcomes if the skill, knowledge, and tools are available or right. This goes to all scientific 'constants', Laws, Theories and whatnots.

3: Most fantastic sciences or information in the public domain called or those people are hoodwinked into calling "Pseudoscience", are for a fact what several governments, scientific bodies, corporations have as established facts or Science. I have told you this before.



In the light of the above, Peer Reviews and what makes it to the text books today which you L-O-V-E to call Science is simply what aligns with interests of those involved (even as the procedure is), or if it is 'harmless' in being open, or too late to conceal or de-baptize as pseudoscience. This is where we delve deeper into all conspiracies to fact-check this assertions. A few are:

1: Former Pfizer boss admits corporations sponsor most researches and require only certain outcomes. This one is awful what they do.

2: Document EFTA00080475 of the released Epstein files is perculiar in terms of what people find online or in text books as science versus a working science that is referred to as Pseudoscience. I mean the so-called mainstream science, there is no technology around using radio waves to induce emotions of sex, anger, and others at a distance. You would also like to accept that (your) science is "Scientific proofs or scientifically proven, are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it"

3: Did any of you research the Twitter Files which exposed what "Science" is today and how it is run? Findings buttresses all conspiracy theories basically.

4: Any science released to the public domain in our modern day is either already toned down, re-mixed, or so. Most goes to defence or are heavily monetized and jealously guarded via an literal army (on and offline) of 'fact-checkers' there to mock, attack, and de-brand independent scientists and give them names.

CC: Deepsight, Lordreed.

*Unedited for errors and punctuations.

airsaylongcome:
lol..hilarious. Potatoe Potato

...still dont get it l see. 'lingo'.

its possible, not her. another fair lady else who was once a banker

Point of correction: 'Investing', not "flipping". The two are different.

Its not all fictitious. Its just the customary African way of blending truth with half truths to protect it

Afriifa:
Let the atheist find a scientific explanation for it

Not an atheist. I hope if you found billions of maggots inside a soakaway, you will not think it is supernatural?

The cemetery simply provides them a safer and quieter sanctuary to live. Simple

Truthseeker10:
Lol I never knew you were discussing something that only happens in your head.....goodbye

So you are not aware that there is a whole branch of science built around what happens in people's head?

What were you thinking sef?

Now that the devil had spoilt the original plan of God, one would then ask what next?

We were told God sacrificed the only thing he loved the most to appease himself. Everyone else who wants to live for ever must accept this son.

But then this doesn't answer these questions:

1: Where do new people stay at before being born in sin?

2: Why does God send people to earth the more which would make them sinners and his "enemies" by design?

3: The chance that people will not be sent to places they will never hear the gospel to even think of considering it exists. Why send new babies to families that are either atheist, pagan, muslim, Jew, etc?

Now whats the whole point of this? The idea of people being given birth to, die and are born again?

As a former practitioner of the Christian religion, the explanation was that God had a plan for man to live for ever.
The devil spoiled this plan up by deceiving man and this lead to the capacity to die for man. And it is his destiny to die and then judgement.

The wizards those who practiced working with the natural forces of life in the olden days today are the physicists of today. There techniques and methods may be the same or may vary slightly with the advent of modern techology.

The town criers of old may today practice something similar along that line as preachers...

Life goes in a circular spiral, upwards or downwards. Never stagnant.

He was a powerful and gigantic fellow who in that life time could pull up trees with his bare hands in that lifetime. His feats where residues of knowledge and skills from another lifetime in Egypt where he learnt the ropes about the forces and nature of life under a teacher of the Light and Sound of God.

The joke of life is that it requires a balanceing of accounts, and dying does not put an end to it. It merely postpones this balancing which becomes the person's stock or sauce for another lifetime as their fate or destiny. The joke is in the example where a past president of Nigeria is known in the spiritual circles to have reincarnated as a cleaner in the Villa.

When this man reincarnated as an Igbo man, his quest was no longer for power and might, but the pure Light and Sound of God which he left off back in the days looking for power. He became a teacher of the sacred sound "HU" which is the concentrate in physical form of the Light and Sound in its purest and strongest form. This Light and Sound is simply manifestation of the supreme all-loving God which who is not different from Divine Love. I mean God is simply unconditional love in case you are wondering.

Popular in the news papers back in the 90s and further, he was able to make it to what Eckankar is known as an ECK Master. This is simply someone who is a professor in but knowledge and wielding of this Light and Sound which the church calls Holy Spirit. An Eck Master is actually the mature son of God whose only joy is in doing the will of the Supreme Deity.

MaxInDHouse:
I have asked you this question before so i'll ask you again.

Do you trust the Bible 100% as inspired word of the one and only true God?

Define or rather explain this "inspired".

After you're done, there will be a composite demand for explaining Emperor Constantine and his Council since originally, there was nothing by way of existence or 'Toraic' injunction to manufacture a new book to be merged with the 'bible' of another religion called Judaism, given that the Torah tends to have precedence for some of these things which formed the authoritative basis for its adoption.

Yea because from where I stand, Mather, Luke, John, etc never consciously wrote their letters as contributions for a certain "Bible". They merely sent very people-specific letters. I also learnt there were several of such letters by people who followed Jesus like Polycarp, Thomas, etc which didnt make it way into the "inspiration". I wont ask you why for now.

I like to hear how this "inspiration" took place please. Thanks

What are we taking about here?

The BBC did a good job exposing a certain prophet's sexual gymnastics and majority of the people said it was blasphemy and witchhunt.

Nigerians an emotions sha.

He stained the white of Paystack as one of Africa's unicorn.

Paystack on the other hand should have stuck to due process.

On an off key note, I think the guy is a witch.

Witches hold several solutions which if mankind especially Africa can be open-headed enough to understand and give them and other species of man sent to planet earth as crucial components, then perhaps we would have more fantastic stuffs.

This does not mean some of them won't chose to do evil and remain in the lower astral, much like how some so-called MoGs, "kingdom children" or "born agains" are.

-crazy input

i don't understand, is there something new you guys want to share?

Why would they stop the minister from accessing the land?

delugadou:
This is wonderful. I appreciate your kindness. I go chop mushrooms tire

lol, enjoy

Better confess o Akpabio, before trump drop am for your house

delugadou:
I love mushrooms. Can you teach me how to cultivate mine?

Its too simple.

You need two basic ingredients.

1: Substrate or growth medium (saw dust, dried rice straw, Old wood, Grains, old, paper, etc)

2: Mushroom Spawn (This is the seed. It is simply the fungus which had colonized or grown inside a substrate which you can use as 'seed')


Mushroom is simply fungus. Fungus colonizes or engulfs things it likes l, and turns the whole thing white as you can see from the OP's bags. Those were brown before (saw dust).

1 & 2: Sanitize the substrate by steaming for 2- 4 hours if using sawdust to kill bacteria and bad fungus. If using rice straw, use hydrated lime and soak for 14-24hrs. This one is more simpler.


-I use dried rice straws in place of the popular sawdust for the substrate.

-I buy grain spawn from Mushroom Planet (Google this person or ask OP if they sell).

How I do mine:

1: I cut the rice straw into small half-finger sizes. I Soak all in water which has some measure of hydrated lime (calcium hydroxide). This kills unfriendly microbes like bacteria by raising the PH level of the Soak.

2: I remove the soaked straw in the morning of the next day and keep inside a sack to drain.

3: Spawn-straw-spawn-straw-spawn: By evening, using pure water bagging bag (the main bag containing pure water), I pour some little spawn (grain spawn) inside the empty pure water bag, then fetch some straw and add on top. when it reaches the middle, i add some more spawn...add straw and top the bag with spawn...

You can even do the above using that big black nylon bag for waste.

make like three incisions on three sides of the bag and keep somewhere for the bag to turn white with the mushroom spawn. after like three or four weeks, the thing will rear its head from the holes you made.


I find rice straw and soy husk most fruitful for me than what the OP uses (saw dust).

cc:Amwitty

Simply get the edible seed from the sources above if you're not sure.

symbianDON:
really Wow! I would love to have a taste of that. Who knows, it could even become a better alternative to beef.

Yea, it's a nice and nutritive alternative to meat.
The cultivators could do better by making it more affordable for adoption in Nigeria.

I cultivate mine myself.

symbianDON:
What delicacies can we use mushrooms for? Kindly drop a sample suggested recipe. Nice products!

I add it to Nigerian stews, egusi soup, jollof, etc.

I have seen where Oyster mushroom suya was made because the chew is like shaki.

I recall some moments back how some folks pushed a tribal narrative on how Sowore tricked who and who for arrest.

The same tribal narrative is ongoing around artificial inflation and suffering caused by folks who buy stuff for NGN20 and sell for NGN1,000 which is being called out by the entity called VDM.

Note that this same greed being called out, but dismissed by certain folks out here based on tribal affiliation with the perpetrators is the same applied to cause rise of food prices they all kick against.

The thing is if tribalism paints reason and judgement, one will always be left running from pillar to post confused on what really is happening.

If the arrest is "politically motivated", does this means the soldiers and security personnel are politicians?

DaddyJapan:
Our ideologically-deficient and morally-depraved political class is taking the good people of Nigeria for a ride.

Tell me your candidate and i will point to how equally or even far more pungent you are.

We now live in an era were evil hides beneath one famous political candidate. That mob is simply lacking in opportunity at gun wielding, election rigging, and all or worse they accuse the known devils of.

This is unfair to the chick. Does the wife knows how much the girl toiled for this?

This is interesting because it is strategic!!!

I maintain this understanding and knowledge that findings and information available relating to the juicy part of reality which is called different names like "science, biology, physics etc" is not going to be written in some textbook for Africa to lay hands on or accept as "scientific".

I have happened to face off with some really ignorant folks on here who use the "is it scientifically proven" cliche to dismiss more advanced information and knowledge by the scope of current scientific tools.

They are of this folly that the scientific community is really this uncontrolled ecosystem working it's butt off to write them the next paper that matters.

Gaspardd:
My dad benefited this year.... But later my 7years old niece tells me how she used to eavesdrop my pops talking about buying long hair for someone on the phone.
3mths later my mum told me she checked pops balance and 200k was left inside with nothing to account for.
It was there I connected the dots and understood what my niece was talking about.

Ommo, its funny o.

May be Pops was flexing the young girl to renew blood.

Don't worry its for his health which ever way you see it 😁

I am happy that it is this man saying it.

I am more happy that he is rich.

... Happier that he is Igbo...

Greenfusion:
for every project he does, he makes it seem like he has built heaven on earth and we should worship him as if he is using his money to benefit us when we all know he benefits from it more......we are not fooled by media theatrics. Nor be only him dey build road

How can someone reasonably make a tarred road sound or seem like hoy built heaven and earth ?

Moreover is there any one or two who executes and completes projects as much (in number) and time as him in the country presently or in the past?