triplechoice:


The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.

The bolded really cracks and amazes me
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless )

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research

It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.

Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.

Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization

If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.

Does Holland bear the name Rife?

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all

You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".

triplechoice:




Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?

The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.

triplechoice:
1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.


Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.


Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.


I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .


If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.

Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?

triplechoice:
. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .


Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.
If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools


You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.

The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.
. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........



I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.

Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out

triplechoice:


I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public

Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.

Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.

Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.

Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy

Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.

"God is Spirit...they must come IN Spirit and Truth".

There is the 'God Sound'. This is not a word. It is a Sound. This sound is what you get when you pronounce the word "Hue" in a long drawn-out manner.

Mere pronunciation does not however complete the circuit. A heart-felt energy must be added if it is to carry the right vibration.


This is where doing this for a long time becomes the most powerful "prayer" one could ever perform.

"Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do"

Each of the above produce distinct effect on matter. All however, and any other tune in between are transpositions of a singular sound which Eckankar and several other teachings claim to be the Sound made in the "Hu" sound, just like it is said all colors come from black and white or so.

Lets say 'Do' is the God frequency, repeating this vibrates the performer off of a problematic situation into the state of 'Do' due to a phenomena known as 'resonance'. It means 'at-one-ment'. After at-one-ment is achieved, one has the leeway to recreate a better condition for themselves via imagination. Imagination produces brain 'waves' as "science" says. Sound is involved in any wave.

Kindly see attached video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

Templee333:
SEX
What does eckankar has to say about sex before marriage?

This is morality. Morality is the law of man, for man to control man.

Spiritually speaking, sex is the actual marriage (two becoming one).

Does celibacy make one closer to God?

Yes and no. Anything done out of pure love for God can take you to God. You experience the reverse of your mission with celibacy however if you have no love.

What about pornograhy and masturbation, do they affect the flow of the holy spirit in one's life?

The funny thing about this whole thing is the guilty conscience you will generate is actually what shuts the door.

I have mentioned previously that God does not hold grudges, it is the perpetrator who does that on behalf of God and the forgive themselves after prayer.

Love is what opens the flow of the Holy Spirit. Lust is something to let the Holy Spirit deal with. When the spirit fills your heart, you are filled to not require seeking it via masturbation and even sex.

what do you have to say about homosexuality, is it a negative act? what about incest and bestiality, could such acts prevent one from moving closer to God? If a person has multiple sex partner, does that make him/her unable to flow with the holy spirit?

God (the supreme one) is not into morality. IT let it's subjects the rulers and creators of the lower worlds create all these worlds, furnish Soul with a body, furnish it with all the illusions (temptations ) and allow Soul try anything it wants and learn from the repercussions.

This is an education system we are living. Smoke, prostitute, rob, worship things as God, etc and spend lifetimes reaping the rewards of these acts (often via hardships).

In one life, Soul will become bored of it (sort of) and begin looking for God or answers. It's good Karma will allow it meet the Mahanta who alone has power to give soul freedom.

He doesn't have to join an organization to meet the Mahanta although currently, the Mahanta the Living Eck Master runs behind one.

This Mahanta is not a religious or organizational aspect of God. Everyone you meet is a subset of the Mahanta. Jesus, Mohammed, etc.

Can a woman conceive without sexual intercourse like the story of Mary

Yes.

Templee333:
WOMEN
can eckankar allow a woman to take the title of a Mahanta the living eck master? Are men superior to women as some people believe? Was a woman created out of a man's rib as the bible put it? ?

People switch genders each time they incarnate. This incarnation had occured more than a million times on earth alone, talk more of other dimensions.

So a man was a woman just yesterday and vice versa. The goals is to get it right in balancing the two forces to into a neutral state.

Do not forget that any so-called man has a good degree of whatever makes a woman one and vice versa. Imbalances occurs and you have gays and lesbians.

That being said, the Mahanta manifests in a Male body due to the nature of the role. The major reason is to be able to accommodate or embody the huge amount of spiritual energy that must flow through the physical instrument.

Nothing to do with superiority here. Some women are more stronger than some men physical speaking...

Templee333:
INSANITY
is it really proper to refer to some people as "Mad"? If "madness" is just a state of consciousness, how, then do the "normal" people know for sure that those they call "mad" are really out of their mind? What if the "mad" people are moving higher than the "normal" people in their journey to God? Are some of those refered to as being "mad" not the ones that have detached from material things? if mind prevents one from becoming soul conscious, are those said to be out of their minds not actually soul conscious? What exactly makes some people to change from the state of "sanity" to "insanity"?

To be out of one's mind is enlightenment if this experience comes in a dose one can handle.

Some of the "mad" are just people who are ahead of general "reality" while it can be a case of lack of consciousness at all as in CD plate without a single content in it.

This would then be matter of state of awareness whether to get provoked when one is said to be "mad"( out of their minds), or to appreciate the compliment.

A true English speaker will seek more clarification instead.

Itohanmiwa:
Omo this is a very brutal topic. For once i'm proud to say i am a nairalander.

Yes Nairaland can be quite focused on shallowness and gossip. ...speaks much about us generally because they see which posts gets most traffic, gossips and bad news are 'good'...

This is quite inquisitive, well to answer your question, we all know the sun is made up of fusions of Helium and Hydrogen gases, while it is stagnant and the solar system rotates and revolves around the sun, the light from the sun is just focused on our own solar system. While the outer space or spaces beyond our universe which stretches to billions of miles remains dark.

I think the Space you mentioned to be dark carries same illumination as illuminated Space (on earth).

The illusion of darkness is brought about by the state of matter or atoms in that "dark" Space which is different from that in illuminated Space. Where there is light, there is Matter which reflects or causes an 'obstruction' to those energies (called "light" for it to be humanly visible.

In other words, there is light in that darkness, the things that makes sunlight visible in Earth's atmosphere are just 'absent' in "dark" spaces.

Another reason we can't see light in space is because of a human morphological condition where our eyes are not able to accommodate light in given colors, shades, and conditions while other creatures like dogs are able to achieve this.

This gives us a condition where it is impossible for darkness to exist without light and vice versa. We just need to create suitable conditions for both realities to exist or vanish. "Off" and "On".

Same goes for any condition in life. Solutions and Problems are coexistent.
Nothing is a solution, nothing is a problem. Nothing is good,nothing is bad. You just have infinitesimal states of existences and manifestations that are relative.

Rybnyk:


Stop with this! The so called local companies that you said will replace pz will also face high production costs. Do you think they are leaving because they are going on vacation? Unless we address the issues that make companies close shop in Nigeria,things won't change. Power inadequacy, economic policies also affects the local companies as well. And the local soap manufacturers have to work really hard to come up with a standard product like morning fresh. Maybe mama lemon can try and compete. And that one is becoming scarce in stores. There is a reason...

Someone asked earlier when last you saw "Omo"? Do you not use a different detergent currently ? Or did you die?

tradepunter:


You are trying too hard to sound rational but ended up been stupid..... How will compare back room producers who negligible and zero impact on the wider market...... And mind you the manufacturing process have some dangers since it's requires mixing some chemicals at stable conditions..... Even our local brands are an offshoot of these international guys because majority of the technology and technical know how was green lighted by the foreigner players..... Please next time if you don't know something try to keep shut cuz many of us have been in the entire value chain for a long time......

Do you even know what it takes to integrate the antiseptic agents to products to make sure it effectively kills germs? You think your local household soap maker have the capacity to integrate it??

Your comment actually reflects...

We're faced with dangers at every point of commuting, it's a folly indeed to stay at home on your advice. More so using "danger" as a Nairaland point of argument.

Shutting up would mean an intelligent person is talking and I'm listening...


"It's takes several technicalities to mix whatnots", that angle of argument reveal that empty-headed subterfuge you're trying to animate just to make up...You seem to want to present this antiseptic soap making look like rocket science, that's silly because I know even the most complex of the chemistry involved can be 100% achieved with home-made utilities.

FYI, PZ makes several soap products asides the antiseptic. Several Nigerian brands equally make this happen to the good of our local content.

Zxcvbnmghtr:


When last did you even come across OMO detergent.

As in eh

The rise of numerous Nigerian companies with better or competing products contributed to the sales plunge.

Many women now produce soaps from their backyard.

This is not bad at all.

Naustine:


Have u considered the job losses and the loss of tax revenue?

Yes I did. They will go look for available local or even international companies to render their services to or setup small-scale factories to that effect, which was how PZ itself started.

Nothing is lost from the macro viewpoint.

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elated177:
Chieveboy, you stated: "The Holy Spirit life is not a scriptural."

If the scriptural life is not the " Holy Spirit life", what then is? Do you even understand the scriptural meaning of the Holy Spirit/Spirit of truth? What is the Holy Spirit life? What is the scriptural life?

The scripturification of things really made what should have been natural and effortless seem like it depends on any person , ritual, organization or religion.

It comes from the mentality I was trying to speak about earlier. It is after one looks beyond their religious nose that they see that indeed things are really not what they have been brought up to believe.

The cave man, the cows, the dogs, a brute and an angel all work with the Holy Spirit in their own respective ways.

It never and can never be a religious much less a scriptural thing.

"where the spirit is, there is liberty "

This biblical scripture is a statement of the omnipresence and unlimitability of the Holy Spirit under any guise.

This is what Jesus spoke about asking the rich man to become as a little baby first before he can enter the Soul Plane via the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit life is not a scriptural life. No head full of scripture, dogma and ascetisim brings you near.

" Life No Balance"

After observing water and how it always finds its balance, we know then that life is always balance and everyone gets to lay on his own bed as he lays it.

"Life no balance" statement is brought about by how the subject of karma and reincarnation is somehow missing in the books people rely on for truth.

The event of the crucification of Christ was brought about by a condition brought about by losing touch with the Holy Spirit.

A black magician at the time 'animated' the people against Christ and his disciples via a means still practiced today by voodoo practitioners.

This method is employed by presidents and their agents to keep the people "receptive" and docile even in Nigeria. This is another subject.

Had the people be active in chanting spiritually charged words and Holy Names for God constantly, they would have been immune to this form of black magic and many more.

Next: "Life No Balance.

chieveboy:
Jesus Christ


Jesus Christ had specific missions. Foremost is helping humanity in scaling the spiritual hurdle of their time and even today. This involves giving them specific spiritual exercises to perform as he learnt in the mystery schools existing in his time.

These exercises involved the chanting of spiritually charged words, the Holy names for God, etc which if the same people who claim to be his followers today are presented same, they would likely kill again via thoughts, words or in action. This is already happening by the way.

It is a fact that even if he himself should come back again as he was, he is likely going to be stoned by Christians for being an imposter because he looked nothing like the image of him in circulation.

The second stoning of Christ via ignorance of the practices which gave him the spiritual leverage to accomplish part of his mission is "the problem of Eckankar" today.

ECK: Holy Spirit
ANKAR: The way

Jesus Christ


Jesus Christ had specific missions. Foremost is helping humanity in scaling the spiritual hurdle of their time and even today. This involves giving them specific spiritual exercises to perform as he learnt in the mystery schools existing in his time.

These exercises involved the chanting of spiritually charged words, the Holy names for God, etc which if the same people who claim to be his followers today are presented same, they would likely kill him again via thoughts, words or in action. This is already happening by the way...

It is a fact that even if he himself should come back again as he was, he is likely going to be stoned by Christians for being an imposter because he looked nothing like the image of him in circulation.

"The problem"

Church people believe they can't involve with the Holy Spirit beyond what Paul and Peter wrote, experienced or purportedly wrote and experienced.

This gave rise to a cultivated trend of having to rely on the experiences right or wrong of these folks so much that anything more is null and void or "demonic".

If Paul didn't say to contact the Holy Spirit this way or that way, then it remains null and void, heretic or pagan.

The problem the science of Eckankar and similar sciences have in society today then is that of removing the imaginary enclosures and limits placed around matters of the Holy Spirit by the cunning agents of the School Master of this world.