when we say these things they think we just love to boast.
"nigeria has no influence" "nigeria is big for nothing" "nigeria is an embarrassment"
but when push comes to shove when everybody else has ignored them they then remember our name. AFCTA that practically everybody was begging us to join. land border that we closed the whole WA is feeling it but yet we don't influence
theenchanter: so, why has AFCTA not yet commenced?
and we can see the great work they are doing in the middle east lol
jln115: He thanked you out of courtesy just like he did for a number of other nations.......
Also technically speaking Mercenary companies are banned in South Africa, so its not that easy to hire them. Our Government came down hard on STTEP for its involvement in Nigeria, besides most of our mercenaries are in the Middle East being paid much more than what African countries could afford
the mercenaries came after the stabilizing act of our govt plus they just came to profit of a terrible situation as mercenaries do.
movies mostly watched in cinemas. how many africans on average go to the cinemas? again like i said you are white such films won't interest you plus nigerian movies are distributed in cheaper CD format that most africans can afford.
Elon Musk is south african of course he will come to your country besides i never said techy coys don't come to SA. i was just countering your point about tech hubs not leading to innovation.
well that's debatable. Nigeria agreed outside WA is not hugely influential but I'm seriously having to rack my brain on any major way you guys think you are influential outside SA
jln115: I dont need to watch a video to know the history, I've been a keen follower of military related topics in Africa for a long time and I know what happened in Sao Tome and in Sierre Leone, enough to know that SAn mercenaries played a much larger role in defeating RUF than Nigeria did hence why the Sierre Leone government hired executive outcomes!
Also I'm pretty sure our movies are better known in Africa, since they are also better known internationally as well...............pretty sure movies like District 9, elysium and Chappie are releativly well known in Africa.........were as i dont know a single Nigerian movie.
And yes im white so you've got a point but i've seen black South Africans stating the same thing you do about SAn artists.
Same reason Elon Musk and others come to SA, they are also not here o waste their time.
My point is that SA has a larger regional influence than Nigeria and imo a larger influence in Africa as a whole than Nigeria
GJ weakened are military greatly and only hired your mercenaries because he was too incompetent to find a lasting solution but went for the lazy and easy option of inviting mercenaries. if there's anyone we should thank it's the Chadeans and Nigeriens who helped downgrade BK to their present levels. plus if your mercenaries are so great i wonder why somalia, mali, syria haven't hired them for their expert services
jln115: Glad you agreed that you only trained a few ANC members, and made no actual military contribution, secondly Nigeria in the grand scheme of things did very very very little to actually end Apartheid.
Also Our Mercenaries made great inroads to defeating Boko Haram......you should've thanked GJ for bring in people that know a thing or two about COIN warfare instead of criticizing him.
without nigeria stabilizing the kabbah govt and helping ward off the RUF rebels there would have been no country to intervene in in the first place. besides those mercenaries were exploiters who came to also enjoy some blood diamond booty.
same here. i don't know most of your artists as well. besides you are Caucasian so it's unlikely you or your neighbours would like our type of music and movies. like i said your movies though higher quality are mostly unknown in africa outside your country. go to malawi kenya uganda tanzania zambia to name a few ask them to name any nigerian actor or musician you will get your answer.
the point i was trying to make by mentioning zuckerberg is that he recognises the potential of our budding tech space and wants a slice of the pie. he's not a jobless business man that just came to waste his time in nigeria.
your influence only impacts on SADC not on the rest of africa. that is my initial point which i still stand by.
jln115: Well maybe because he was in Nigeria on a private trip when the coup happened and not in Nigeria to ask for assistance.
It was [b]South African mercenaries(Not Nigeria) that regained control of the diamond fields and defeated the RUF in Sierra Leone, and forced peace negotiations. [/b]
I literally dont know a single Nigerian artist or movie......And I doubt most of our immediate neighbors do either, on the flip side our movies and actors have won Oscars
The same point you were trying to make by saying mark zuckerberg visited Lagos
So in other words South Africa has more economic influence than Nigeria has..............thanks for proving my point
please! we should be jumping for joy because some boers came to profit of our trouble? besides our former president goodluck jonathan was rightly criticized for such a bone headed move inviting your mercenaries. once buhari came in he rightly cancelled the contract.
during apartheid years nigeria was one of the countries that offered support to ANC so no south african especially the majority black can say we didn't help in terms of financial assistance and/or military training
jln115: Bro infrastructural drives development and growth..............So yes if you take out our infrastructure we would be just like the rest of the continent but luckily we aint!
Secondly Nigeria has never and I repeat has never provided any sort of Military aid to South Africa.........and im not talking about a bit of training here and there during apartheid, Im talking about actual intervention like what South African mercenaries are doing in Nigeria by physically fighting Boko Haram.
whether SA was involved or not we were at the forefront. why didn't their president fly to pretoria? why didn't mbeki carry his ass back to sao tome if you guys were so heavily involved like you claim?
mercenaries that says it all. yeah it was your mercenaries that reinstated president kabbah when he was desposed by coup plotters please tell me something new.
go to any sub saharan african country and play any popular nigerian song then a SA one see which one they sing along to. in the past mariam makeba lucky dube had some influence but today? i doubt anybody outside your country knows any of your artists. your movies though better quality are not popular. a lot of african countries even countries as far of as the Caribbean know about and watch nigerian movies.
dude Elon Musk is south african while bill gates has come to nigeria so what's your point?
exactly my point. the WA economy though largely dependent on nigeria can still survive and function whereas SADC as you just confirmed would struggle badly without SA
jln115: Actually South Africa was involved in the negotiations with regards to Sao Tome so don't act like it was just Nigeria that reinstated him.
In Sierra Leone its a well known fact that the South African mercenary group executive outcomes was responsible for defeating the RUF and stabilizing the country.
South Africa also led military interventions in Lesotho
Also its debatable if Nigeria has more influence with regards to Music and Culture than South Africa..............
Same reason Elon Musk, Bill Gates ect ect have also visited South Africa
Economic wise yes West Africa has had a higher average growth and the reason for that is 2 fold, firstly WA is less developed hence typically you'll find higher growth in less developed economies and 2 Souh Africa has a much higher economic impact in SADC(and Africa) hence when the South African economy struggles so does the rest of the SADC countries, When the Nigerian economy struggles it has a less of an impact on its region.
Nigeria has and still influences it's neighbours politically. Sao Tome president some years back was removed through a coup. Obasanjo our former president took him back to his country to reinstate him. some years back the current president of togo wanted to assume power without holding elections. he was summoned to abuja and told to do the right thing. sierra leone we helped to stabilise after all the coups and civil war. gambia of recent.
not forgetting our influence on african culture through music movies especially prevalent in west africa. we haven't done enough in my view to influence enough times positively but ask any west african if they have not felt any impact from nigeria/nigerian
Again are you saying the proliferation of technology hubs wont drive or influence innovation? if so they why did Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg waste their time coming to lagos or nairobi?
those fragile states index rankings always vary. i'm sure libya pre-gaddafi's removal would have been ranked higher than us so it's nothing new.
for stability i concede the point that SADC is better but economy wise ghana like you mentioned ivory coast and senegal are doing better than most SADC countries apart from SA, tanzania and Angola that has oil
yes thanks for the correction on tanzania
by the way gabon is in central africa
jln115: Ok mate so tell me what is influence..........How is Nigeria influencing it neighbors?
Secondly I said tech hubs have nothing to do with innovation...............I did not say actual innovations dont have anything to do with innovation..........Go look at the Global innovation index , ICT index or Technological Achievement index...............South Africa is far ahead and Nigeria is not closing the gap
Lastly if you look at the fragile states index both Mozambique and Angola are much much more stable than Nigeria, Zimbabwe are ranked more or less the same as Nigeria.
The most stable African countries: Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho, South Africa, Zambia, Tanzania are all SADC countries, the only other West African countries that can compare is Gabon and Ghana
please i don't take all those Tim Sherwood and co serious. Just because they do flowery analysis they feel they know football. imagine a whole tony pulis saying serge gnabry wasn't good enough smh
Subzero047: Yeah they have a stereotype against African players, if you are not fast and strong you are not good enough
I was listening to Tim Sheerwood saying that Iheanacho should use his speed to overtake players, but anybody who knows Iheanacho knows that speed is not his strong point but finishing
dude for the umpteenth time peacekeeping troops are not a sign of your influence. MONUSCO blah blah yet rwanda is making money of DRC and influencing their political decisions.
technology hubs nothing to do with innovation so that kenya dude that developed an app to help deaf people communicate is not innovative? flutterwave a nigerian company that helps process international payments for africa is not innovative? sigh dude really?
SADC most stable and prosperous? i laugh in zimbabwe, mozambique and angola. remove SA from SADC southern africa is toast. remove nigeria from WA ghana, senegal can push on. EA remove kenya tanzania rwanda ethiopa will do just fine
jln115: This post proves you have no idea of what your talking about.
Firstly we deploy more troops to the DRC and S.Sudan than Nigeria even though both those countries are much much closer to Nigeria we also led the entire MONUSCO mission in the DRC, also if we compare the SADC region to West or East Africa you'll realize that SADC is much more stable and prosperous.
Also do you know what tech hubs are ?? they have nothing to do with technological innovation if you were wondering
It was never the objective of South Afica to become a Continental power in terms of political and military power..........
spot on that's why i'm always happy whenever our youngsters choose other countries other than england when they want to go to europe. typical english clubs when they see an african player who plays as a midfielder will try to turn him into the next makalele.
vision42030: Holland, Belgium, France and Spain are the best leagues for our players to start from (Particularly those who like dribbling and are technical by nature). Holland in particular as this league concentrated on developing young players. Chidera Ejuke made a wise move going to a mid-table team in Holland. In the ductch league and other leagues mentioned above they teach you tactics, good decision making, how to apply your creativity in a team setting e.t.c. I don't beleive your young players should go to the English league as that league does not understand or appreciate technical players and concentrates too much on physicality (strength and speed). the great Kanu Nwankwo started at Ajax (which is a club focused on development-- dem no kuku get money). Mark my words, most of our players who cut it in Holland, Belgium, France and Spain will go on to be particularrly succesful. In fact, if Mikel had started in Ajax he could have become like Pirlo and not Makelele (that Maurinho turned him into). You see, in holland they develop you and take you by the hand and mould you into a star and then, they correct your mistakes
sorry it took me a while to respond. This is exactly my point. Their is a power vacuum which you guys should have taken advantage of considering your economic technological and military power but it's barely felt outside SADC. stuff goes down in west africa it's abuja they call not pretoria. stuff goes down in east africa depending on who you ask it's tanzania ethiopa kenya that will get called. heck even tiny rwanda has a bigger say in DRC than you guys. SA should be the one driving the African message but i haven't felt that vibe from your end.
To use a specific example technology wise you are ahead of the rest of Africa yet Nigeria with our shitty power issues and Kenya that has it's own issues is surpassing you as top technology hub destinations for Africa.
jln115: OK genius what other country in Africa has more power and influence in Africa than South Africa.....
gallivant: You started well but that's where I stopped reading.
frankly speaking I couldn't care less if you read it or not. The people that understood it know themselves. Please ignore if it bothers you at least I didn't mention your name or that of your country Kenya
Excuse me DRC South Sudan Burundi and car are all experiencing one crisis after the other so I don't know how you have helped them. I did mention Lesotho Malawi truth be told I don't know much about as for Mozambique I haven't seen how your influence has rubbed off them
Political influence and power goes beyond contributing peacekeepers. If the number of peacekeepers is what you use to judge how influential a country is then I guess Bangladesh would be one of the most powerful countries in the world.
author=jln115 post=87138976] Yeah lets just forget South Africa's contributions in the DRC, S. Sudan, Burundi, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, CAR....................
Oh and the fact that South Africa contributes twice as many troops to peacekeeping missions than Nigeria does![/quote]
Kazi i wish I could like your post 100 times really on point.
Every country in Africa has a responsibility to each other. When South Africa was under the apartheid regime african countries rightly united together to tackle that draconian regime. Africans should partner more to develop and uplift each other's countries instead of standing aloof allowing europeans, arabs, chinese, indians etc to eat the fattest bones.
I'm no hypocrite i know Nigeria too can do better but in our little way we help out especially in West Africa. the liberia, sierra leone, gambia, sao tome examples show this. Tanzania like you rightly said intervened by proxy through kagame. even in the past you helped museveni and his ugandan rebels chase out idi amin's regime.
South Africa is uniquely placed to offer that needed leadership on critical issues for Africa due to their economic technological and political power but how has their obvious advantage helped their immediate neighbours? apart from one military intervention in lesotho can't really remember any major issue regarding african policy pushed by pretoria. Even Gaddafi as bad as he was recognised the need for african independence and pushed strongly for it.
We need to come together more often to uplift each others countries. hopefully the AFCTA trade deal will point to more intra-contine collaboration
Kazikazi: All your points make sense.They are very sensible. But in a real world,this world which is full of bastards,your points are just theoretically correct.Practically,its impossible to mind your own affairs in this type of world we are living.Just check these examples..
Zimbabwe had leadership disaster,South Africa chose not to mind Zim affairs.You ended up hosting over a million zimbos.If you had interfered,may be you could have averted that crisis.
Africa lacked infrastructure. You had all the know how, but you chose to ignore the rest of Africa,you chose to focus inward,but as we speak Chinese are reaping billions of cash which you SAns should have taken it since you had all the capabilities to do that.All those projects which are constructed by chinese companies, they were naturally yours! You could have reaped billions of dollars.
Foreigners came into SA.You decided not to mind their affairs. What is happening now is just chaos and blame game.Actually, the whole world don't understand you SAns,because you decided not to interfere,your reputation as a nation have been tarnished.
The idea of not interfering doesn't work.What works is trying to interfere wisely.Yes,poking your nose smartly.That's why we interfered when apartheid was ruling SA,if we couldn't, more souls were going to perish.That's why even now,we still talk when we see some stuff don't go well in SA.We do that to avert hosting for the second time SA refugees as we did during apartheid. The same way we do to Kenya.We always teach them to end tribalism.If we don't do that,they might fight again,and we might end up hosting them again as refugees. That's why we trained Kagame to go and take over in Rwanda so that he can use TZ systems to end tribalism and insecurity. As you can see,our boy is doing wonders in Rwanda
Danielnino00: I hope u aren't trying to mock us because of covid-19? Your government have allowed hundreds of Chinese migrants into your country until today.. there's no knowning where the virus will hit next.. If it hits Kenya,u think the rest of us will mock you ?
Nigeria doesn't export crude oil through lagos ports. Lagos is the most popular and convenient port but we have other ports like onne and warri. other states like akwa ibom and ondo are also trying to build theirs as well. calabar port can also be developed but alot of work will have to be done to accommodate larger vessels.
tylann: Nothing will happen we will create another Nairobi Lagos handles most of Nigeria exports and imports including oil so if we take out Lagos Everbodys know what will happen
even that aid North East is receiving is mostly centred in borno state. if not for the threat of boko haram the people would easily go back to farm their lands
Danielnino00: Something is wrong with you upstair... U claimed that Kenya no longer receives foreign aid and I posted links to prove you wrong.. I posted a link that said Russia was sending you food aid...and u are saying something else... I've always known u to be a coward anyway...
And for the last time,it's only north eastern Nigeria that's receiving aid from the UN due to Boko Haram insurgency.. northern Kenya has been receiving aid for as far back as independence... U are one of the largest aid receivers in the world !
well with Chuks i think it's the dribbles that have kinda caused the hype but I agree he hasn't done too much especially this season for the hype he gets. could it be all the reports of interest from liverpool and barcelona is not allowing him to focus.
just like you i think the praise Osimhen gets is justified. doing well in the french league 4th in the goal scorers charts in his first season with lille. performed creditably in the UCL scored against Valencia and Chelsea. God willing he could score back to back 20 goals in 2 seasons. he's no where near the finished article but i commend him for what he has done so far. Especially as he was bought as a backup for loic remy
andrewbaba44: Osimhen doesn’t have shitty team mates ,I see when people talk am but I no just wan argue
Or isn’t it the same Lille that came second last season without victor ?
But victor is Lille best player sha ,I won’t lie
As much as I love victor I had to admit that he doesn’t have shitty team mates
Is it not here that someone said that Villarreal is not playing to chuks strength as if chuks is Messi ,chuks is one of their best player but not their best so how can they play to his strength? Or is carzola and co not there ?
I said chuks is overrated by peeps here and that got almost all of them angry ,some even change am for my head saying I said he is overrated generally ,overrated by people here and not by the media ,I said what I said
If you are comming for me come with good point and don’t twist things
getting Saka to pledge to play for Nigeria would be a steal. hope the NFF can play smart and not scare Bukayo off with unnecessary attention and spotlight
Icon4s: Bukayo Saka is a natural winger and only a make-shift wingback. There is nothing wrong in we adding him to our pool of wingers. His stocks are rising and for a boy who just turned 18 last September and already contributing so much to a top EPL team like Arsenal....Nothing wrong in he competing for a place with likes of Simon, Kalu, Musa and Chukwueze. We need competition in various positions in the team and here it is.