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aswani:
It's all linked, political and economic power cannot be separated.

If elections are redone, Ndi South South will not follow Ndigbo again with voting patterns as per the Peter Obí effect. Obviously Ndi North wouldn't so the only people that will vote as a block is Ndigbo and they are not enough.

Even with other non indigines, they won't be enough to be a force.

You are diverting this conversation to elections and tribal politics

We are taking about the penchant selling of ancestral property by yoruba kids only to turn ariyd to say that they have been chased out

Let's discuss that and allow the South South people to talk what they want ...and mind you 50% of them have Igboid blood and they have been together for centuries ...so let them take their decision

Talk about the land being sold to non Yoruba anyhow in Lagos that's the thrust of this chat

T9ksy:
Omo, when a group of people refuses or allergic to learning from their experience then they as a group, are bound to repeat the same mistake.

Las las "Abandon properties" phase II will eventually, re-occur.

Btw, how come we don't hear of abandoned properties in the northern part of the country after the last civil war? Is it that the northerners didn't appropriated their (igbo) properties ni, or that the northerners willing returned their properties back to them, ni?

Oh you want the

Igbo
Edos
Hausa
Ijaws
Benue

People that bought houses to abandon it for you? I really want to understand this your ABANDONED PROPERTY 2 methodology or will it be selective ? Or did they force you to sell ?

ednut1:
last response to you. In 1999-2003 my dad used to take us to a mister biggs in festac . The whole stretch of amuwo odofin was a single road and swap. No houses there. No one stopped Yorubas from populating it. What was the culture there? Same for ajah axis ( ojomu kingdom) before vgc and chevron. Its called development. If you go to those places the so called settlers can speak Yoruba. Yoruba language is even the face of afrobeats and igbo/ akwa ibom/delta artists even use it. You go to any market in Lagos- yoruba is the language of trade. Igbos in alaba are speaking Yoruba too. So go and rest with your imaginary fears

sir you are sounding agitated...why

aswani:
It's all linked, political and economic power cannot be separated.

If elections are redone, Ndi South South will not follow Ndigbo again with voting patterns as per the Peter Obí effect. Obviously Ndi North wouldn't so the only people that will vote as a block is Ndigbo and they are not enough.

Even with other non indigines, they won't be enough to be a force.

They aren't linked together...The North has been in political power for years that doesn't make the North the richest zone with the highest standard of living !

The Yoruba might have political power in Lagos does it translate to economic powers

That's what I am trying to explain

Ttalk:
Hope many estates does Ibo own in Lagos?

I know you will call Igbo... Why this morbid phobia of anythih Igbo ?

We are talking about the sales of properties and you are narrowing it down to tribalism

I think I am done with this conversation...everything to some of you is ME AGAINST THEM ATTITUDE!

ednut1:
what is lagos culture? 150 years ago. It was yoruba, saro/aguda( returnee slaves), British colonialist etc. majority of the deltans, igbos, Hausas in lagos can speak yoruba. When there is oro do other tribes not comply? The kingships are still held by Yorubas. Many settlers in Lagos have gone back to their own towns/villages to take royal positions etc.

Come 100 years nothing wil change

Do you know that as of today many yoruba raised in Lagos can't even speak Yoruba... Their parent take delight in speaking English to their kids and that means that Yoruba culture in Lagos will erode away there are many factors

Another factors is marrying non Yoruba... I also noticed that many Yoruba take delight and pride in showcasing non Yoruba wives as trophy

Well... That's another way of eroding culture in Lagos cos those kids wouldn't even be tuned to yoruba

So
1. Selling of property
2. Speaking English to modern kids of Yoruba descent
3. Marrying non yoruba
4. Relocating after selling property outside Lagos


This will make the Yoruba culture to change....places like FESTAC,LEKKI, IKOYI, AJAH, SURULERE,AGO PALACE , AGEGE PEN CINEMA...Yoruba culture isn't there or minimal

That's what will happen in future to other parts

chopnaira:
Op is just deceiving himself. Not to be taken serious.

He is even comparing lagos to New York. He doesn't know aboriginal Americans did not leave their lands voluntarily but via war and genocide committed by settlers then treaties to put them in reservations. OP is ignorant.

But in this case they are leaving voluntarily...the single individual that owns the highest land in Lagos is even non indigenous person...

Who owns land like Dangote ...do you know how many acres of land that he bought ! The truth is that unlike the Red Indians... indigenous Lagos are selling their own land to Investors a S now moving inside ...that's the reality

aswani:
It will take at leat 10 generations before Lagos slips away from Ndi Yoruba.

Look at all this time Ndigbo were block voting in Lagos, a few of them got to State House and went to Abuja.

Just this one time, in the last LG elections, that Ndi Yoruba decided to block vote for a change, as a result of Obidients lack of decorum, see what happened.

Sadly there is more of this to come, Ndi Yoruba have the numbers and will do so for a long time yet. Don't forget the only people coming to Lagos to settle for good nowadays are Yoruba, other tribes are simply using it as a stepping stone to go abroad.

We aren't talking elections here we are talking development, real estate etc


The honest truth if the elections Re dobe without rigging trust me non indigenous people will have a field day

ednut1:
what is lagos culture? 150 years ago. It was yoruba, saro/aguda( returnee slaves), British colonialist etc. majority of the deltans, igbos, Hausas in lagos can speak yoruba. When there is oro do other tribes not comply? The kingships are still held by Yorubas. Many settlers in Lagos have gone back to their own towns/villages to take royal positions etc.

Come 100 years nothing wil change

Societies evolve....300 yrs ago...the Red Indians culture was predominant in Washington DC and New York as the immigrant started coming in ...there was dynamic of culture .. and today you don't have red Indians culture I New York today they are only in reservation.

This will happen in Lagos ! As people arw selling their houses and moving into hinterland

It happens in any metro... In Sydney Australia it was the Aborigines! Today we don't have them they are in reservations ...as the society grew


Same is Abuja ..it used to be Gwari culture today it has evolved ! And also not even everywhere so they do that Oro of a thing in Lagos ..it can't be done in SATELLITE TOWN, FESTAC, AGEGE (HAUSA AXIS) LEKKI, AJAH, IKOYI , BANANA ISLAND, FORESHORE AND ORO ISNT DONE IN places that was bought by foreigners...

Oro is done in these yoruba areas like Ikorodu, Ketu (to an extent ) etc

It's a matter of time the Oro will stop. .no culture is stagnant! It evolves either by man made or by situation

ednut1:
Mumu talk. They didn’t sell it . All lands on lagos are under 99 years lease. In every country there is a commercial hub which most is bought over by non indigenes or rich people in the country. Make una rest

how many of us will still be alone in the next 99yrs ...

Do you know if the society will change by then and with the way this is happening...I doubt in the next 99yrs if the language and culture of Lagos would not change

Nonexisting1:
For those that chestbeat here, nobody will leave his hard earned wealth and properties for you for free. If you want your land back, buy it back or relocate to Ekiti state. Shikena. My wayward uncle once sold our family land back in the late 90s to an Anambra man, my father had to buy it back from the man and he had to even borrow from friends to complete the money.

Your father did the right thing... That was noble...

What happened to the said uncle ? What did he do with the money?

teresafaith:
Most times it happens when the owner has too many wives and children. Some factions want to sell while, some doesn't want to.
There's a family house in our area that has been left abandoned for almost 10years now due to the fact that the man kids wants to sell it but the siblings of the man refused because it's their father's house. They've been dragging themselves to court since then.

The problem with yorubas on nairaland is they believe every conversation about yorubas is they are being attacked, someone is advising you about the consequences of selling your children futures you are already turning it to ibo vs yoruba.

You are right ..the few ones that are sold the man married many wives and it became contentious so to avoid wahala...sell the house and share the money then everyone goes their way

chopnaira:
I am from Ishaga. Went to school in Agege. And grew up on college road. Yorubas still dominate in extremely large numbers from Ogba all the way to Agege and Oshodi.
The only time yoi see hausa coming out in large numbers is when its time to go to mosque on Friday and most importantly, Hausas don't interfere in Lagos politics or form a voting block to determine who governs where in Lagos.


You now want to teach me the origin of the name of my village. Another proof that you dont know what you are talking about.

Ishaga is an Egbado word. Egbado people are in present day Ogun state.

Noted...it's a Yoruba name! Okay can we move on and have some decent conversation...are you trying to say that Hausa isn't spoken prominently in Agege, ishaga isn't even Agege to start with its outskirts

I am talking Pen Cinema axis

overall90:
Instead of writing all these trash, why don't you people advocate for the break up of this country so that everyone can keep what he has.
How is that difficult?
And why is the black man is so stupid?
There

Who will advocate? Those that are advocating are they not imprisoned? The Igbo have advocated that for 50yrs ! Maybe you can take up the baton and do that

Left for me...it's better to be together... The Nigerian market us huge! Over 200 million and it takes a smart businessman to be making it in Nigeria Lagos inclusively

chopnaira:
Peter obi is the tribal bigot.
2011
2013
2015

Ps: Lagos is still atleast 80% dominated by the Yorubas. Go to any primary or secondary school in Lagos, Yoruba kids make up more than 80% of the classroom.

Even in Agege, were Hausas are in large numbers, Yoruba still make up more than 80%. The only place where Yoruba would be like 70% is only Okota and Festac.

OP is day dreaming and trying to use reverse psychology. He is not even Yoruba to begin with.

Why is having a decent conversation hard? Must everything to you be tribalism or we against them mentality?

chopnaira:
I am from Ishaga. Went to school in Agege. And grew up on college road. Yorubas still dominate in extremely large numbers from Ogba all the way to Agege and Oshodi.
The only time yoi see hausa coming out in large numbers is when its time to go to mosque on Friday and most importantly, Hausas don't interfere in Lagos politics or form a voting block to determine who governs where in Lagos.

hmmm! The truth is that yes Yoruba is still spoken in Agege but Hausa is more ...that's the fact !

It is the beauty of Lagos just like every other city we have China town in California where it is built after the Chinese and that's the reality

Soy jrither everything isn't fight ! It's just an observation

opamoses1:
Yet, all the lagos state house of assembly members are Yorubas.

All the local government chairman recently elected are Yorubas. All the Agberos are Yorubas.

99% of Lagos politicians are Yorubas.

Summary: This write up is filled with lies.

Please Lagos is a pure Yoruba land and pleads nobody is disputing that! The truth is that the younger ones should stop selling their inheritances, they should maintain it ... That's the thrust of the matter

It's an observation and also nobody is taking Lagos away from the Yoruba ...it's the indigenes that are selling off the Lagos one step at a time

That's the thrust of the post

Ttalk:
Hausa is now the linqua franca in Agege? We don hear, we will make the correction in due course, Tinubu is the one delaying our actions, we won't allowed you to contaminate our peace because you are incapable of creating peaceful atmosphere in your region.

FG / President don't issue C of O, even C of O can be revoked at any given time. All lands in Nigeria is under the control of the state government. The indigenous people of the Lagos have been pushed to the wall and the soul and spirits of our forefather have cursed anyone who benefit from Lagos but want it's downfall.
So shall it be

Yes...Hausa language is spoken ok Agege to a large extent just like Obalende.... Go to Agege axis and see what I am saying, I am not saying that Yoruba isn't spoken but the major language there is Hausa ....

Ttalk:
Hausa is now the linqua franca in Agege? We don hear, we will make the correction in due course, Tinubu is the one delaying our actions, we won't allowed you to contaminate our peace because you are incapable of creating peaceful atmosphere in your region.

FG / President don't issue C of O, even C of O can be revoked at any given time. All lands in Nigeria is under the control of the state government. The indigenous people of the Lagos have been pushed to the wall and the soul and spirits of our forefather have cursed anyone who benefit from Lagos but want it's downfall.
So shall it be

What actions sir if I may ask...is it to fight the people that bought their property legitimately or is it to tell them to resell the houses to you or is to tell them to abandon the houses for you ..?

What actions if I may ask ?

Who pushed the indigenous people to wall?
Who told them to sell off their land?
Who told the children to exhume the bodies of their parents and rebury somewhere so as to sell the lands ?

How are the indigenous people pushed to the wall?

He did the right thing... Bible said that it is better to live in a desert than with a stubborn woman....

Proverbs


While

bigpriik:
Unfortunately there is nothing they can do about it,most yorubas I know are moving to ikorodu,sango,mowe as lagos is becoming unliveable.

but truth is that the rent in Lagos is too high and if you can't meet up you can always go to Mowe or Ibafo areas or Sango !

bigpriik:
This is the cause of the recent ethnic tensions In lagos recently yorubas feel igbos and other ethnicities are buying up lagos while their own people cannot even afford rent in lagos and are moving in droves to the outskirts of the metropolis now they are insecure because there is nothing they can do about it.

It is their people that put up these properties for sale to the highest bidder and why blame the other person that bought it and not blame the seller that didn't have a caveat of priffered bidder ?


Let's start asking the truth questions !

paragon10:
Very unambitious set of people. A full grown adult will be depending on another adult for survival,which kind thing be that?

I find that mentality terrible and the most annoying thing is that the time that would he used to do a better thing...she is using it to do sacrifice

I have lived in Lagos for many years, moving from Abule Ado to FESTAC, and in all my time here I have watched one uncomfortable truth unfold before my eyes: Lagos is changing, not because people are conquering it, but because its original owners are selling it off, piece by piece.

This isn’t tribal bashing. Neither is it a blanket statement about the Yoruba as a people. I know many Yoruba families who guard their inheritance with wisdom, who understand the value of passing land from one generation to another. What I speak of is a pattern I have personally observed in parts of Lagos—one that deserves reflection.

I know a Yoruba man who died in Moshalashi area of Lagos, such a nice man and he asked his children not to sell when he was alive , his children often inherit property worth fortunes. Yet, before three years pass, that same house is sold off to strangers. I have seen it happen repeatedly in my own neighborhood. Just last month, the third house in our street was sold off. The late father had begged his children never to sell, but they did. And they did so with relief, not reluctance.

And so the cycle continues.

Drive through Lagos, and you will see what I mean. Egbeda, Gowon Estate, Shagari Estate—walk the streets there and you would think you were in Benin City. Esan and Bini tongues fill the air. The Edo people didn’t grab those houses by force. They simply bought what was offered to them.

Move some kilometers toward Agege, from Iyana Ipaja to Pen Cinema, even toward the Abbatoir. Hausa is the lingua franca there now. The Hausa-Fulani didn’t conquer it; they simply purchased what Yoruba children sold.

And what can we say of the Igbo? From Ago Palace to FESTAC, Ojo to Ajangbadi—the Igbo community has not only bought up houses, they have reclaimed swamps, sand-filled them, and built bustling communities. Walk those streets, and Igbo is what you hear.

I have seen where graves are exhumed and reburied and houses are sold to highest bidder! The question isn't the selling of the house but the respect of the dead and what he achieved when he was alive only to be sold ! Do we blame the buyer or the seller? Let's start asking these truthful questions and know that when we point to people claiming that sole set of tribes are taking over Lagos...the question is...HOW ARE THEY TAKING OVER? Is it a hostile take over or they just bought it !

So who do we blame? The buyers—or the sellers?

I cannot blame a man who invests in land, builds a business, and raises a family in Lagos. I cannot look at someone who pays taxes, who creates jobs, who develops wastelands, and say, “You have no stake in this city.” No. Stakeholding is not just about bloodline; it is also about sacrifice and investment.

But what troubles me is the ease with which some children of Lagos sell their father’s legacy. They do not think of generational wealth, of grandchildren who might need that roof, of the ground on which a family name can stand. Instead, they see quick cash—money to be spent in a season, leaving nothing behind but memories of a house once standing.

And then some turn around and complain that “strangers are taking over.” But strangers do not take over what you refuse to sell.

The truth is Lagos is not “no man’s land.” The Awori and other Yoruba groups were here first. But Lagos has become the city of everyone who comes with vision, patience, and investment. The tragedy is not that outsiders are buying Lagos. The tragedy is that too many indigenes are selling Lagos.

I am only an observer, but each time I watch another family home go on the market, I feel as though a little more of the soul of Lagos is slipping away. And the painful part? It isn’t being stolen. It is being sold—with open hands and willing hearts.


Mark Obot

Why can't she on her own be successful must she wait for the man to be successful and contemplate leaving her

Why can't these women be ambitious

D00msDay:
A comedian and a clown according to u. Yet this same comedian and clown is the president of Ukraine. Una go hide behind keyboard they insult people wey dey successful pass una over a billion times.

But he was a commedian...isn't or wasn't ZELENSKY A commedian ?

Stop being emotional ..he is a commedian deal with it

WritterNg:
Even the mineral deal he keeps promising to sign. I assure you he has no intention to do that.

that will end up either killed asssimated and another election will take place

The commedian and clown hasn't seen anything

WriiterNg:
⚡Macron:

Our army is the most efficient in Europe and we have nuclear weapons that provide us with protection.

he is suicidal

seunny4lif:
Breaking new

Zelensky has played Trump once again and announced that he would not negotiate with Russia, this comes after meeting with EU leaders
After Zelensky announced yesterday that he was ready to negotiate with Russia, he has changed his mind again today.
Zelensky does not want to discuss anything with Russians or make any concessions.
He apologizes to Trump but has not changed his opinion nor approach.

That guy is stupid