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hmmmm, sisthren, big up fi yuh. Fi real mi nuh expect fi see nuh gyal yah. Nice wan mi lub yuh chant enuh

JigsawKillah: OP. . .
U didnt talk about why they love rituals so much and why they love money more than their lives!



SAW

yoruba loves money than igbos but don't know how to get hold of it. The highest they can do is naming all their kids Ola(wealth). To d extent one person was answering Olarenwaju Olayinka Oloniyi! Now you don't see an igbo man naming his child money, riches or wealth. Now tell me who love money most? Yorubas love money while igbos make money.

manchy7531: I intend to reopen this thread for Igbo readers and open minded non Igbo who may want to know more about ndi igbo. It is purely for educational purpose.....God bless Ndi igbo. From ''Anioma to Anambra to Enugu to Imo to Abia to Ebonyi igbo to Rivers igbo to Benue Igbo to cross river and Akwa ibom igbo and Ndi igbo in diaspora''..... God bless our cousins also (Efik, Ibibio, Annang and, Idoma)





http://www./Igbo%20101.htm

i take my bow. Nwafor ka i bu

bigfrancis21: . You wan show me say you sabi speak Igbo baa...I dey clap for d person wey help you type d Igbo.

Also, I can see 4 hidden threads of yours on your profile about free browsing cheats in UNN and UNN Naija students forum. That says it all.

fi yuh likkle mind. Mi know yuh ah go feel like FBI rait nuh. Yuh nuh beat mi fa igbo ahn yuh nuh beat mi fa patwa too

bigfrancis21: But wait, you graduated from UNN right? I know someone from UNN too with the nickname, Chuxyz, who loves and speaks jamaican patois so much, still a learner in Igbo , and is IT-savvy. One of your posts opened in 2009 shows you graduated from UNN.

Ikpeama!

you deh make me wan believe say na me but no be me. By now you should know that there is no two chuxyz in the whole world, not to talk of one that speaks patois. Moreover there is no post of mine that proves your claim. Bia beati a e mebikwala thread mu o. Ahn ahn o bu gini kwanu? I na e so-arim ebe obula bumpa to bumpa. Ugbua i mata go na obu muwa, o ga obuzi i na mebi thread mu otua ichoro i ji mebi igbo thread mu nke no na FP di oda day. Lol! A mam na i no nairaland okemgbe. Ma mgbe a i na-ekwu maka ogaracha na agaracha. A ma m na i mata na obu mua, di thread agaghi a gwu ruo taa. Hahahaha. Bros abeg free me

Alwaystrue: I won't want to call it logic but more like illumination and gaining understanding.

I won't be too hasty to say good and evil existed before God created man except you mean the time that satan sinned. Was it evil that really made Satan rebel or the choice to do it? God said 'Man is become like us KNOWING good and evil after he ate of the tree. Their eyes were opened.

I did not say 'God left open the option between good and evil'...mostof my words where on showing how God created a tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

To answer your question:
1. God created the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil and that is not the same as good or evil. He also created a right to choice. God also had the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil but is he evil because of that or does He do evil?

2. I can only say what I understand from scriptures. Our choice is our right. Do you think God will take away freewill in heaven? I will answer your question with a question. Why will anyone want to do evil when he gets to heaven as a reward for belief in His Son and righteousness especially as the person knows the outcome of evil (something Satan experienced only after his mess up)? Of what benefit will that eveil be then to him or anyone?

if you say God created the knowledge of good and evil, that means you are saying God created good and evil and gave man the knowledge. Because both must be existing before he gave them such knowledge. There is no difference between "knowledge of good and evil" and "good and evil". Both are state of mind. Moreover, God didn't give man the knowledge of good and evil. It was the forbidden fruit that brought forth that knowledge. Now to your second answer, didn't those other angels know the consequence of sin before they came on earth to take on the daughters of Eve? Even here on earth, many know the consequence of sin yet are still committing it. So such will apply to any other person who makes heaven cos freewill is freewill.

unyours: Let me start:
I'm Male, 24, New to Port harcourt and lives around Rumuolumeni, A graduate (with bright future), currently have no friends around my new environment and want to meet good male and female friends. I'm a cute guy(simply cos people say so. Lol) with a good sense of humour. I just need friends, cute or not cute but you must have sense of humour, nice and responsible. I'm no respecter of age so i make friends with people of any age(0-100) so long as we can understand and respect each other. Thanks

Hmmmmn, all this long story. Ok o. Which side of Rumuolumeni you deh? In fact just pm me.

DadaStephen1: My company is a startup AgroMarketing company. We want to set up an Agro eStore that would look more professional and unique than OLX and eBay.
Capable developers should contact +2348077204837

Whr are you based?

bigfrancis21: Nairaland of course.

My moniker name should ring a bell to you, Chux.

You come mention FB. Bros your monika no even make as if fly pass

tunnyl, mi ah guh make sure di tchread a nuh run dung. Biet rait yah nuh, mi bachri a gone dung too. Make mi run gone ah charge it suh mi can update unu wid jumieka patwa. Biet before dat, a weh yuh like fi know ar learn fe patwa? Here is my translation for those who don't understand (i am going to make sure the thread does not run down. But right here now, my battery has gone down too. Let me hurry and charge it so i can update you all on jamaica patwa. But before that, what will you like to know or learn in patwa?)

bigfrancis21: Chuxyz...I think you know you.
UNN graduate of 2012.
Nice to meet you here again on FB.

i'm not any of that. Jeez! Am i on nairaland or fb?

Reading the OPs mind, he is only relating the word HEAD to a man being in position to beating his wife and not the man taking most responsibility in the home. The op is not talking about a man being in charge of protecting his home. He is only relating the topic with wife battering. And the op also went further to interprete the word SUBMISSION as a wife allowing herself to be beaten. Op i believe next time you wanna post rephrase you topic properly. Your post is fine but not relating to the topic.

kayce911: does this mean heaven is not a place either ?

Don't digress. The topic is about hell and i gave my answer based on that. When i see a topic that talks about heaven then i'll talk about heaven.

Hell is not a place or location but a state of sans existence

tunnyl: Me a jew fi patwa spwieeking buh me a go twry me biest. So me fwalla yiou bampa pwon bampa.

Rude bwai. Biet yuh nuh speak laka yuh jew. Mi lub yuh chant muan. Big up fi yuh. Biet if yuh did seh yuh cyan speak well mi ah go update yuh yah. Jus hang pan mi bumpa enuh

I'm a lover of jamaican patois and i speak really good to some great extent. Jamaican patois i will say, is a variety of broken english spoken in the carribeans, in countries such as Jamaica, Haiti and St. Vicent Island. The jamaican patois gain popularity through reggae and dancehall musicians and many other Jamaican and non-Jamaican musicians. Such artist like: Brick n Lace, Culture, Patra, Gyptian, Chaka Demus, etc, all from Jamaica. Nigeria artist that uses patois include Flavour, Patoranking, Frank Edwards, and host of other nigerian reggae artists. Most Nigeria youth have taken to speaking patois while most people see it as a slang talk which is not suppose to be spoken by any responsible one. Some even go as far as calling it marijuana(igboh) language. But that's not true. The jamaica patios is to Jamaicans just like pidgin English is to Nigerians. The most popular phrase in Jamaica patois is "what ah gwan?" - meaning: "wetin deh happen or how far". The Jamaican patois is said to have it's root from west africa and that's why you see the word "unu" meaning "you all" in both igbo language and Jamaica patois. Unlike the Nigeria pidgin(except those variety spoken in areas like Warri and Benin City), the Jamaican Patois is a tonal language. Which means that speaking the words alone is not just the ultimate. Lastly, i will like you to note that the word patois is pronounced /patwa/. Now learners and pro let's roll with patwa...



PS: Avoid jamaican curse words if you don't know their meaning. Words like bomboclat, bladclat, rasclat, battybwai, etc. The literary mean bottom cloth(more like tissue paper), blood cloth(sanitary pad), azz cloth(panties), butt boy(gay boy) respectively.

OkikiOluwa1: What's B-Boys?
Don't tell me it's Bad Boys?
I pray that the Lord will deliver ya soul.
May ya heart be redeemed before you go to hell faya!

Last Bullet
To confess ya sins, visit any nationwide branches of The Order of the Cherubim & Celestial Church of Our Saviour Nigeria Ltd. It's a registered Church that ll solve all ya ailments.

Who is this one ranting like a drunk housefly? At this digital age you can't make google your friend whenever you encounter an unknown. Please get lost! Ehen, as I was saying, B-boys please let's roll... But before that, if you are like this guy above me, please do little research before you say something that reveals your gullibility to 1million members on NL

JMAN05: You choose what you like and live the other. It is most plausible, that anyone who suffered to keep integrity cant be compared with another who was just born so. Is that hard to understand? The latter is a new person in the business and would be thinking he is missing out on something, while the former have already probably gone thru that habit, but later left it. And now he is restored to perfect thought, reasoning and no more bad imperfect inclination. The motivation to do wrong is at low ebb. Why will he perform less now?

The angels in heaven in Noah's day came down to test what it feels like to sleep with the daughters of men, yet an imperfect Noah never committed fornication, though imperfect. Imagine if Noah is now made perfect.

One who is perfect never tested imperfection will never have thought of it coming to him unlike one who has tested it. If you have never taken cocaine and never even know it existed what will make you search for it? But if you have tasted it and stopped, momentarily, your thoughts will flashback to when you use to consume it. You might even be tempted to take just a sniff. Fornication is not the only sin. Noah at one point drank himself to stupor. Adam and Eve were perfect and they failed; satan was perfect, he failed; those angels you mention were perfect, they failed, God which we said is perfect also failed(Genesis 6:6). So any other perfect being is likely to fail no two ways about it

Are you a B-boy? Are you a fan of B-boy, then this is a thread for you. Let's talk B-boy and also get to meet with other Badt B-boys on Nairaland. Now this is B-boy XYZ reporting! Let's roll...

JMAN05: That is no doubt why God allow the saints to pass several tests. with these tests, they will be fortified against rebellion forever. God knows how to scrutinize and select the the one whose thinking looks bright. He was able to decode the truthfulness of Job's service to Him, and despite Satan's temptations, Job showed that God's observations were correct. Dont you think that God can even do more of that?

Remember that Satan didn't become perfect after passing tests, he was made so. So you wont compare the life of someone who passed difficult tests and remain strong with the one who never went through such. will you?

Secondly, the saints remained faithful while imperfect, imagine how easy it would be for them to be faithful when perfect. So no need to be paranoid.

Those who were created perfect from the start rebelled, now imagine those who were converted from imperfection to perfection. Those who have once tested imperfection. Did you know that even if satan didn't tempt adam/eve, they would have on their own decided to eat from the forbidden fruit for the fact they have the freewill. So will you tell me they ain't perfect?

frank317: Some christians can be funny... "Have u heard of another rebellion since then?" This is the dumbest question I have ever heard.

I like your answer, "how could we hear of another rebellion since the bible has not been updated for the past 2000yrs."

For all we know, God would be too busy figthing his numerous angels and sending the ones defeated to his dumping ground "earth" no wonder sin and violence is on the increase. God is too distracted and demons are increasing.

Its seems the world ended once the bible story ended.
I guess a lot that is happening has taken God by surprise. He was angry when a tower was built very high,
I guess he didn't expect man would create cars, planes, jets, skyscrapers, computer and even advance from waiting for him to heal the sick to builing hospitals.

Or perhaps Jesus christ would soon send us an upgraded version of the bible.

Lol

Lol! Nice one. Thanks for that wonderful backup

Alwaystrue: Your interest in knowing how satan's mind was manipulated still lies in my response above. satan had a knowledge of good and evil and also had life. He simply chose to do evil BASED on that knowledge. That is what I deduce from why God said Man has become like one of us KNOWING good and evil and another reason he put a cherubim to block access to the tree of life so man does not get to eat of it and live forever...satan must have deliberately left out telling them to eat of the tree of life after eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so man would die and he could gloat to God.

Unfortunately for him, the all knowing God had put a redemptive package in place for man.

Man was more or less created on a blank slate hence it was easy to be tempted and deceived into eating of the tree. Did Adam have the prior 'knowledge' that his eating of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil was EVIL? Whag man did was evil but did he 'KNOW'. He still had choice irrespective though.

Remember what scriptures says about those who 'SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THEY HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there is no more a sacrifice of sin but a fearful awaiting of judgement'...


If we speculate that would such thought come again after we must have all gone to heaven, I kinda like the some of the responses @Alexleo gave. The mystery of the character of God was revealed after satan fell...The severity, mercy, loving kindness, undefeatability, wrath, patience and so on...Sides of God we may never have seen had it not been for the fall...

The difference between having 'such thoughts' when we get to heaven and when satan thought he could ascend to the heavens and the throne of God is, I deduce, that we have seen God manifest all sides of Him....something devil was not privy to having when he initially rebelled. Anyone who tries to have 'such thoughts' in the new heaven and earth will know what's in store for him. I am sure he would squash the thought if it ever even tried to peep and not allow it to nest. Lol.

Thanks for your wonderful contribution. You are saying something more logical. Now from what you said, I understood that good and evil was even existing before God created man, and it was this evil that made satan rebel. Since you said God left open the option between good and evil, now my question is: Did God create that evil or was it existing independently? So you are telling me that after we have all gone to heaven there will still exist that freewill to choose between good and evil?

ikes9: Lol.... They did...their own was Lust.....they had the choice... whether to have affairs with the worldly daughters of Eve.....or to.Abstain
yhu see...the Freedom of Choice is A beautiful thing
but yhu have to learn to Choose The Right @ all times...
for those angels...well...the book of Enoch already stated that they were being imprisoned till the day of Judgement..
but still...have yhu heard of any other heavenly rebellion

Before the bold letters u said those angels had a choice, same way we shall all have a choice in heaven. Then to the bold letters: How will you hear about another rebellion when the bible have not been updated for up to 2000years. I believe many rebellion would have happened. Who knows if it is not an angel that rebelled again that brought about the SS genotype or HIV or even Ebola maybe through their affairs with humans or other atrocities. Who knows. If the bible is update now, I believe will shall see more. Lol

BabaGnoni: God is no respecter of persons.
He talks with everyone

What happened on Calvary is a long-lasting solution, chuxyz
Sin needs to run it's course and use up all it's grisly, the gruesome, it's violence, bloodthirstiness, it's bloodiness, brutality, it's savagery,
the frightful, the horrid, the horrifying, fearfulness, the hideous, the horrible, the dreadful, the terrible, the horrific,
disgusting, repulsive, repugnant, revolting, sickening, distressing, shocking, appalling, abominable, loathsome, abhorrent, monstrous, the unspeakable,
all that is gross, sickness, hatred, hatefulness, evil, wickedness etc etc I think you're getting the drift, so all these need to be used up,
so there 'll be nothing more left in sin
- that's how sin wouldn't be able to rear itself again chuxyz (i.e. nail it at the root, the crux of the whole matter as it were)
- and remember what God did at Golgotha.
- Also remember God guaranteed there will be no more sin (i.e. Revelation 21:4)

chuxyz, please, quote me verbatim, where exactly, from all I've said, it means to you, surely there is every probability that man will rebel again

Jesus death did not eliminate Sin. It only made our sins to be easily forgiven that we don't need to make any other sacrifice. Man will still have that freewill when they have gone to heaven which means he must surely think evil cos the state lucifer was before he rebelled(i.e. perfect and sinless) would be the state humans will all be then or even lesser. I am even sure God will not format all our minds so humans will still think like the way they use to while on earth.

BabaGnoni: My dear padi chuxyz, LOL,
I dey laugh, at all these questions
- that's my Obasanjo laugh by the way ooo
As earlier said , I sure hope you can handle the truth

Q/ So because God said death will no longer be, means no more temptation will come up?
Is it death that tempted man or made satan to rebel?
A/ Yes, it means no more temptation will come up
No, it wasn't death that tempted man or made satan to rebel

Q/ Was death existing before satan rebelled?
A/ I am not 100% sure whether death was existing before satan rebelled
It could have and could have not
Even if death did exist, it wouldn't have any bearing on satan
Anyway, I am 100% sure death existed before Adam rebelled

Q/ If God dealt with sin totally, then where did sin erupt from?
A/ Sin was only dealt with at Calvary,
as said we are waiting for sin run its full course, remember,
so what is all this about that God dealt with sin totally now?
Sin had always erupted (i.e. came) from the transgression of the law
(i.e. note that every word that proceeds from the mouth of a King is law; God is Sovereign)


Q/ What is that thing that manipulated satan's mind?
A/ The thing that manipulated satan's mind, just like it did with Adam, was self
(i.e. as you've unknowingly but rightly brushed against, that thing is satan's mind)
- Remember Adam wasn't deceived,
- Adam like satan too, just blatantly and out-rightly went against the law (i.e. God's word) by himself
- Satan and Adam alike made up their minds to commit sin (i.e. break the law)

Q/ I tell you death and sin were not in existence before satan rebelled against God.
A/ Sorry beg to differ with you on that one,
they both (i.e. death and sin) were in existence , they were by virtue of a word (i.e. law)
In Satan's case, sin was dormant until it was committed
(note that satan is a spirit and not within the parameters of death as it relates to man)
whereas in Adam & Eve's case, both sin and death were dormant.
- Death is activated by sin. Sin is activated or committed when a word or law is broken.
- Sin is the sting of death, sin is what death kills with

Q/Even if God destroys Sin totally, wont it erupt from nowhere as before?
A/ No, it wont erupt from nowhere as before because nothing will be illegal to do
(i.e. people wont be doing banned or illegal stuff)

Remember, earlier, that sin has been clinically and thoroughly dealt with by God at Calvary,
however it is allowed to run it's full course as it needs to empty out the whole contents inside it's Pandora box.
- by time it's finished, all the life in sin would have been sucked out,
exhausted, it won't have legs to stand on anymore, talkless want to rear it's ugly head ever again.

Maybe this short analogy might explain more:
a crime is not committed if there is no law to break
better still, an act is not criminal, if there is no law against committing the act

PS: Sorry for leaving out the relevant or relating scriptures that backs up the responses

i would really love to get quotes from the scripture. Have just been wondering how you knew God's mind inside-out. From all you have said then it means surely there is every probability that man will rebel again after they have made heaven or paradise as the case may be. I like your analysis sha

doziej84: i dey find work for port harcourt oooo. Abeg make una direct me go somewhere. Na beg i dey beg.

Na only that one be your problem abi? Oya Go Trans amadi

BabaGnoni: From chuxyz's - "bright minds here please fly away",
to alexleo's - "Go and learn - hope your foolishness will give way for you to learn-sound more like a tout than what I thought"
to chuxyz's - "not as confused as you are - humans think like goat o.
Please go polish yourself and come back -might consider managing you as a reader only. Oloshi version 1.0"
to alexleo's - "Can we start..."
to chuxyz's - "i was nodding while reading this - Nice bro"
to alexleo's - "Thanks bros... Let me know your views about this then we can proceed..."
https://s29.postimg.org/b3gbf9s6r/popcorn_MJexcite.gif
It was exciting reading while it lasted
It was a comedy of laughter. From Oloshi, to Nice bro and Thanks bro
After the initial hitch, at least una both somehow made up and una don padi.

"I have been pondering over this time after time but have got no answers.
Even so called pastors will only meander around the question and end up coming out with no answer.
Now the question is this:
If satan tempted man to sin against God, and we term satan the father of sin,
then who tempted satan to also sin or rebel against God? Another Satan?
If your answer is NOBODY, that means when we all have been raptured and gone to heaven, wont that same NOBODY tempt man to rebel against God again?
And we will all start from square-one again back on earth.
Please i need insightful answers only. Thanks." - chuxyz

To my friend chuxyz, I sure hope you can handle the truth.
I'll cut to the chase and answer curtly as much as I can
but will kick off first with this Yoruba adage
"Ilu ti oni ofin, kosi ese"
Sorry I don't know an Igbo version of it, however literally means "where there is no law, sin doesn't exist"

Q/ If satan tempted man to sin against God, and we term satan the father of sin,
then who tempted satan to also sin or rebel against God?
Another Satan?
A/ NOBODY tempted satan to sin or rebel against God.
No, not another Satan, there is and will be only one Satan

Q/ If your answer is NOBODY, that means when we all have been raptured and gone to heaven,
wont that same NOBODY tempt man to rebel against God again?
A/ No, that same NOBODY will not tempt man to rebel against God again. (Note I am about answering your preemptive Why)
Why? Because that same NOBODY won't be able to as God categorically said death will no longer be
(i.e. note that death is the penalty for sin
refer to Revelation 21:4 below to see where God promised that death and by proxy sin wont be anymore
and refer to Isaiah 55:11 also to know why one can believe and trust God's word on this or anything else for that matter)

and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes;
and there will no longer be any death;
there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."
- Revelation 21:4 New American Standard Bible

so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
- Isaiah 55:11

Q/ And we will all start from square-one again back on earth.
Please i need insightful answers only. Thanks.
A/ We will all start from square-one again back on earth where there will no more be sin as answered above.
Sin has been clinically and thoroughly dealt with by God at Calvary,
however it is allowed to run it's full course as it needs to empty out the whole contents inside it's Pandora box.
- by then, all the life in sin would have been sucked out, it won't have legs to stand on, talkless want to rear it's ugly head ever again.
You're welcome.

First of all, i will say you are very funny. Hahahahahah! You kept me laughing...Well, in life there is always thorough understanding after a misunderstanding. Thanks for your contribution and i will say I understand yoruba very well. So because God said death will no longer be means no more temptation will come up? Is it death that tempted man or made satan to rebel? Was death existing before satan rebelled? If God dealt with sin totally, then where did sin erupt from? What is that thing that manipulated satan's mind? I tell you death and sin were not in existence before satan rebelled against God. Even if God destroys Sin totally, wont it erupt from nowhere as before?

ikes9: Lol... the free will ,would still be with us in Heaven.....
look @ this??... have yhu ever heard or read of another rebellion in heaven?...does this mean that the Free will.of the remaining angels has been taken away No,I don't think so....They Still have that free will... but as intelligent beings ... they have chosen not to thread the same path which Lucifer went....
We all know that if yhu are caught stealing ...either yhu go to jail or a mob catches up with yhu....
Now..would yhu still CHOOSE to steal?
Hope I answered your questions

You did but that bold text didn't do the work you expected cos a freewill individual must want to try something different. Even after satan rebelled, some other angels still came on earth to have affair with the worldly beings. Didn't they learn from lucifer?

alexleo: Yea bros thanks, i quite understand your point. The bible is very plain about the nature/attributes of God and this should help us have a balanced view of God but we Christians, in our effort to defend God, handpick some attributes of him that we like and use it to draw conclusions that will be unsatisfactory to one who wants to know. And in the process the person becomes more confused. If we can be plain about God based on what his nature is and relate it to this issue then this issue wont be brewing confusion here and there. And like the OP said, pastors are guilty of this too. I know they are doing the defence in good faith but does the defence really matter to God? I mean in the bible God did not hide or pretend about his nature/attributes so why should people hide or pretend about it when explaining some issues about him? God did not also say that we should not discuss what is written in the bible about his attributes. What i would not want to do is to view God outside the attributes that is written of him in the bible.

i was nodding while reading this. You spoke the TRUTH and nothing but the true TRUTH. Christians are always out fighting for God who has made himself known. Nice bro

tbagjames: 7. Nigeria ladies have close to 4 birthdays in a year. Reason: This is to enable them collect gifts from their various boyfriends

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