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and these trio would tell u they r born again if u ask. They might even have paid tithe from d stolen moni meant for sick people. Nigerian is in need of new evengelization

Sirjamo:
Which infrastructure? is it in your back yard? give me a picture of a 10b naira road started and completed by jogogoro in six years.

you may have to give me a 10bn naira road started and completed by a former or serving president to prove your point. You see, no one has done better than GEJ. Haha

https://www.nairaland.com/2094402/clueless-president-fell-love
Thank God I was one of the Nigerians that gave their full support to GEJ in 2015. Like for GEJ's feaces, share for Buhari

GEJ is the best president Nigeria has ever had in terms of infrastructural development, if you think otherwise I will gladly ask u to prove me wrong. Like for GEJ's feaces, share for Buhari

mekaboy:
We all know that as the bokoharam group turned violent, Buhari and the Northern elders came to their defense. They said an attack on bokoharam was an attack on the North.

After 6 years, all we read is that high ranking commanders have been arrested. Yet there is no sponsor.

How come it's easier for buhari to get successful negotiators with bokoharam but difficult to get their sponsors?

what Book Harbis fighting for is what the average northern Muslim want. Book Haram is an ideology that even your President believe in

The Dino Melaye saga is a case of the chicken coming home to roost. I watched the APC primaries live in 2014 and Mr Melaye was the MC of the day. It was a tragedy seeing a thug mc an occasion of such significance and aired on national TV. Dino's choice of words and his body language left much to be desired but since APC was a party formed to wrestle power at any cost, the likes of Bihari and Tinubu watched on with evil amusement. Today the chicken has come he to roost and these same actors are crying foul

TonyeBarcanista:
Buhari just indicted Fulani herdsmen as being responsible for the killings

you HV said it all

kunzyomi:
TuBaba is Idoma.. The people being killed are not 'his people'. They are d tivs so I think that's why he's been silent.

Agatu is in Idoma land and it was where one of the worst killings so far occurred

3Ebisco:
Seven internally displaced persons (IDPs) taking refuge at the African Church and LGEA Primary School, Mondo, were, yesterday, killed in Ukemberagya, Gaambe-Tiev, Logo Local Government Area of Benue State.

The latest attack is just two days after the killing of two Catholic priests and 17 parishioners in Mbalom, Gwer Local Government Area, and barely 24 hours after the murder of 37 persons in Guma on Wednesday.

A community leader in the area, Chief Joseph Anawah, told Daily Sun that the attackers stormed the area around 12:22am while the people were still sleeping. He said the victims were among those camped in African Church and LGEA Primary School, Mondo, after they were displaced from their homes by suspected herdsmen.

“At about 12:22am, gunshots were heard in the area that woke the people up, as they scampered for safety. In the process, seven of them were killed on the spot and several others are said to be missing. The marauders did not stop there, they went ahead to mount a roadblock along Wukari-Anyiin road and seized more than four motorcycles. As I speak with you, the area is completely deserted,” he said.

Chairman of the local government area, Mr. Richard Nyajo, who confirmed the report, said seven persons were killed.

Reacting to the incident, the acting governor, Engr. Benson Abounu, lamented that the state was under the siege of Fulani herdsmen from all corners. He urged the Federal Government as well as security chiefs to get to the root of the incessant killings, with a view to finding a lasting solution.

However, the police could not be reached at the time of this report as both the commissioner of police in the state, Fatai Owoseni, and the state’s police public relations officer, ASP Moses Yamu, did not pick their calls.

http://www.mcebisco.com.ng/2018/04/gunmen-invade-idps-camp-in-benue-kill-7.html

This is getting worse than BH

this thing is becoming a twice daily occurrence

GoodMuyis:
First don't rewrite my statement doing so will distort my opinion. I wrote gave the gentiles a summary of what is in the law I never wrote anything like The Summary of the law. I would have used excerpt instead but i missed that.

Still back to my Question which you stylishly dodge a direct answer to it, Asked:

+ To what purpose did God have to command the Israelite to bring tithe?
+ Is the purpose above different from what it is today?

I was expecting an answer just it was written in Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat[provision] in mine house. Its just simple as that; "The TITHE is the Lord’s" (and then i love Osezua comment ) And the Provision is for who and what? the Levites and upkeep of the house of God.(We all know the position and possession of Levites).

Answer to second question is straight forward. The purpose is not different. I will not disprove the fact that there are misappropriation, same happen to in OT, but God know those who are his.

My Conclusion
Instead of finding fault in the way a preacher method of teaching on giving/tithing lets do much on teaching and enlightening our fellow Christian on the importance of Sanctification. A lot of Christian missed this.

(1Thess 4:3 [KJV]) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Selah

Summary of what is in the law and summary of the law, what is the difference. Is not what is in the Law, the Law?

I tried to answer your questions in a concise manner not to bore u but it seems like my thoughts were not fully conveyed in my answer. I will now try and make a more elaborate write up to answer you.


1. To what purpose did God command the Israelites to bring tithe?
I agree 100% with your answer on this, that is, to cater to the needs of the Levite's, the priestly tribe with no inheritance and in general to the upkeep of the house of God

2. Is the purpose above different from what it is today?
No it isn't but the means of achieving the purpose is. I will use another aspect of the Law as an analogy. The purpose of circumcision as recorded in Genesis is to serve as a sign of the covenant between God and Abraham. The covenant is perpetual, that is, it has no end. By that covenant God blessed Abraham and his descendants. Circumcision is the sign of the covenant, not the covenant: "And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, so that it may be a SIGN of the covenant between me and you"(Gen 17:11). Today we share in that covenant by virtue of our relationship with Christ, who by his incarnation is a son of Abraham and in whom the promise to Abraham is finally fulfilled. Now, what is the sign of our covenant with God, it's not a missing foreskin but the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in us . It is not a physical but an internal sign which manifests in us, it is the sign the people saw in Antioch and called the believers Christian
The purpose of circumcision is therefore fulfilled but by a greater means. Therefore, Peter said in speaking against Circumcision as a requirement for the gentiles: "God has chosen from among us, by my mouth, Gentiles to hear the word of the Gospel and to believe. And God who knows hearts, offers testimony, by giving the Holy spirit to them, just as to us" (Acts 15: 7-. The testimony, the sign is the Holy Spirit.
In the same vein, the Holy spirit meets the material needs of the Church not by imposing a tithe but by the faithfuls giving according to the Spirit who incites us to do what is right. If therefore tithes are imposed today on Christians, what then is the proof of the Holy Spirit in us. It is the same Spirit that made the early Church live without anyone lacking, each giving according to what he had(Acts 4: 34-35)

Osezua:
Please do a study of the book of Hebrews in addition to your study for a fuller understanding about the Tithe.

The tithe pre-dated the Levitical Priesthood (the Aaronic Order/Priesthood) as seen in Genesis Chapter 14 when Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek (the first mention of the tithe in the Bible). This Priesthood of Melchizedek foreshadowed the priesthood of Christ which is now in pace and eternal.

The tithe belongs to the Priesthood of Christ in essence and was only fleshed out in pattern under the Mosaic Law. The priesthood of Aaron served by the Levites has since passed away, giving way to that of Christ who is our Eternal High Priest “over the house of God” (Hebrews 10:21), who lives forever, and is at the right hand of God to make intercession for us (Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34)

Regarding the tithe in Malachi, you are right that the admonition was to the Levites who were serving priests under the then High Priest Aaron. They were commanded to receive tithes of their brethren and “heave up” 10% of the 10% they collected, to the High Priest (Aaron and his sons that they eat it – Lev. 24:9). When they failed to do this as representatives of their brethren, the Israelites, they committed a sin by robbing the High Priest (God’s representative on behalf of the children of Israel) and ultimately God Himself, because the tithe “is the Lord’s; it is holy unto the Lord” (Lev. 27:30).

This sinful behaviour would adversely impact their innocent brethren because God’s blessing would not be released upon their economic efforts (agricultural in those days).

Listen to the Hebrews 7:8 “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” Who do you think the Scripture is referring to here “who lives forever”? You say Christ did not receive tithe but here the Bible tells us that He does “he receiveth” is present continuous tense! After He made the “once for all” sacrifice for our sins, He set aside the Aaronic priesthood, which was still in force while He was here on earth. That is why He didn’t receive tithes while He was still here on earth! The Aaronic order had not been annulled. But now that Christ is risen and ascended to Heaven, He sits at the right hand of God as our High Priest making intercession for us before the Father, and so is entitled to His tithes as High Priest!!!

To understand how the TITHE is applicable in the New Testament requires an understanding of the Priesthood of Christ in the New Testament. The TITHE belongs to the Priesthood, and the only one existing now is that of Christ’s!

Beloved, please let us as ministers not take a position and then look for scriptures to back up our scripturally untenable position. Let us rather “teach out of the Bible” and “not into it”. To say that paying and receiving tithe “is a sin” is the display highest level of biblical illiteracy concerning the High Priesthood of Christ over His Church and a satanic attempt to deprive Him of the honour due Him by His Church as our eternal High Priest (and master), and God as our Heavenly Father (Malachi 1:6). For you to take this position, you must be able to show us unequivocally from scripture where it says giving or receiving tithes in the New Testament is a sin.

We must beware being used as agents of the devil in counteracting God’s expressed will written in the Holy Scriptures.

Please read and prayerfully study Hebrews 7 and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes of understanding.

I expounded extensively on this in my Book “Can Pastors Steal Church Money? – A Biblical Exposition on Church Finances”. You may want to get a copy and read. I believe it will help your understanding.

The problem we have in the Church is not the Biblical principle of the Tithe, but the preponderance of false prophets who are deceiving the sheep with false prophecies, teachings, and other deceptive means, to illegitimately extract money from them to which they are not entitled as FASLE PROPHETS.

The TITHE is the Lord’s…whether in the Old Testament or the New.
Selah.

You have done exactly what you preached against; looking for a scriptural backing to your preconceived idea. Hebrews 7 only tries to use the collection of tithe by the Levite's, the priestly tribe to explain the eternal priesthood of Christ. There he likened Christ to Melchizedek and explained that Christ is of a greater priestly order to d Levite's since Melchizedek collected tithe from Abraham the father of the tribe of Levi. All what the Chapter tries to build is the eternal priesthood of Christ.
As for me, anyone that insists on a 10% tithe as a requirement for a Christian doesn't understand the basis of Christianity and what it means to worship in spirit and I'm truth.

GoodMuyis:
Lets Analyze The Bible path that you quote esp vs 29

1=> eat no food that has been offered to idols;
(Lev 19:4 [KJV])Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.


2=> eat no blood
(Gen 9:4 [KJV])But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
(Deut 15:23 [KJV]) - Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof;
(Lev 7:27 [KJV]) Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.


3=>eat no animal that has been strangled
(Lev 17:15 [KJV])And every soul that eateth that which died of itself, or that which was torn with beasts, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger, he shall both wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even: then shall he be clean.


4=>and keep yourselves from sexual immorality(or adultery)
(Exod 20:14 [KJV]) - Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(Lev 20:10 [KJV]) - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

As you can see the apostle gave the gentiles a summary of what is in the law, not a new commandment. I could have posted more Reference if time permit me

Please Answer these two question.
+ To what purpose did God have to command the Israelite to bring tithe?
+ Is the purpose above different from what it is today?

How is that a summary of the Law? You are bringing up a totally untrue submission to justify your claim. Are u now claiming that the apostles agreed that the gentiles must follow the law and be circumcised? Please read Acts 15 from beginning to end and clear your error.

Do you know that Jews don't eat pork and would not even touch it. But as Christians we eat pork and other food forbidden by the Law of Moses. Do you know that circumcision is not required of a Christian, the reason why circumcision is not a requirement for receiving baptism. The old Law is not binding on a Christian. Tithe paying is part of the old Law and like circumcision is not binding.

To answer your Last 2 questions, I do not object giving to the Church, infact, a believer can give their entire wealth to the Church, not just a tenth, another can decide to give a tenth of his earning and another a fifth. What is important is that they be guided by the holy spirit and not by a duty to the Law. What you should know is that you have something the non-christian Jews do not have: the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the game changer, He is what guides us as Christians, not the Law. The law was necessary then because the spirit was not freely given then, therefore the Jews needed a code to live by. Living by the Law therefore limits you as a Christians because you have something greater than the law: the Holy Spirit. Therefore I will never judge someone who pays the tithe, but it's the motive that I may judge I.e if he/she is doing it because they think they will be saved by it then there is a fundermental error.

OkaiCorne:
I am also waiting for them to show me where Jesus collected tithes and first fruits from His followers...

After all, the Pastorpreneurs claim to be followers of Jesus too... so I'm wondering where they got authority to collect tithes and first fruits...

2,000 years ago, Jesus miraculously fed 5,000 hungry men with 5 loaves and 2 fishes....
Today, Pastorpreneurs are "miraculously" fleecing the flock with monetary tithes and firstfruits doctrines...

The main problem is that today's MOG HV largely relegated the Gospel to the background and now focus on temporal things

lonikit:
unfortunately, Nigerian Christians are too gullible. they believe wht their pastor says more than what Christ practised...

Nigeria needs new evangelization, Christianity in Nigeria has been hijacked by selfish individuals

OAM4J

nwabekeyi:
They will bombard you with lies and manipulated doctrines soon

I am waiting for them to defend the undefendable

He didn't resign, he ran out his contract

SoapQueen:
I believe in one God, the father Almighty, the creator of Heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ, his only begotten son .

Catholic spotted

OkCornel:
Thanks for this post OP...

I have always screamed that people should read Acts 15...

The difference between Judaism and Christianity is there for all to see....

Just wish the moderators will help push this to FP for more to see. It is as clear as crystal

THE LETTER TO THE GENTILE BELIEVERS

THE Holy Spirit and we have agreed not to put any burden on you besides these necessary rules: eat no food that has been offered to idols; eat no blood; eat no animal that has been strangled; and keep yourselves from sexual immorality. You will do well if you take care not to do these things. With our best wishes. (Acts 15: 28-29)


It is an irony that a Nigerian pastor, a gentile is now the one putting on his fellow gentile the load of the law that has been lifted off their backs 2000years ago.

Recently, I read here on Nairaland the pronouncement by a renowned general overseer of one of the biggest new generation churches in Nigeria that any of his members that does not pay their tithes will not make heaven. To me it was a shocking statement that shows a lack of understanding of the entire essence of Christianity.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND
Jesus and his disciples were all Jews. After the death and resurrection of Christ, his disciples spread the Gospel to the gentile world beginning on Pentecost when the Spirit of God descended on them. By definition all non-jews are gentiles, that is a Nigerian is a gentile. It was to the Jews that the law was given, the gentile nations never practiced the Law. However both Jesus and his disciples lived under the law and practiced it. As the Gospel spread and was accepted by the gentiles, a conflict arose as to whether the gentiles had to practice the law. One such Judaic law was the law of circumcision which stipulates that all Jewish male are to be not 6days after birth. Some hardliners among the Jewish Christians insisted that the new gentile believers must be circumcised and follow the Law to be saved. Now, included in the Law is the Law of tithing. The circumcision and Law debate culminated in Acts 15


THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM(ACTS 15)

Council of Jerusalem. Council of Jerusalem, a conference of the Christian Apostles in Jerusalem in about 50 ce that decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews. The council was recorded in Acts 15.


ACTS 15(A SUMMARY)

Some men came from Judea to Antioch and started teaching the believers ”you cannot be saved unless you are circumcised as the Law of Moses required"(Acts15:1).

But some of the believers who belonged to the party of Pharisees stood up and said "the Gentiles mist be circumcised and told to obey the law of Moses[Acts 15:5]
{notice how eerily similar these two verses are to that of the general overseer}

The Apostles and elders met together to consider this question(Acts 15:6)

Peter's speech: so then why do you put God to the test by laying a load on the backs of the believers which neither our ancestors nor ourselves were able to carry. No! we believe and are saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they are (Acts 15: 10-11)

see the irony, Jonathan estalished more federal university than any govt in the history of Nigeria and funded tertiary institutions massively via TERTFUND but they said he ran a corrupt govt and was clueless. Now, a Saint was elected the story is still being told..........

That Nina made it to the final is the biggest disappointment in the history of Big brother. The girl is a dirty, senseless and dumb LovePeddler. How can u be straffing a man in the house and at the same time sending shout out to ur bf outside d house. It's the biggest insult to her bf and family. She behaves like someone that doesn't have a family, someone who doesn't hv loved ones who care about are actions. Her actions is the reason why nobody takes her serious in d house.

Anto the girl with the shoulders is the biggest loser this year. To be rejected by voters twice is in 3weeks shows you r just not good enough. She only came back to make more money for biggie and embarass herself.

Cee-c is a girl in need of basic home training. She lacks social skills and tries to compensate with a reactionary attitude.

Alex is just a jolly go girl, immature because she doesn't want to grow up (as in she enjoys being a child).

Miracle. At first I thought he was boring and hyped and indeed he was. But he grew into the game, became more confident and competitive. A deserved finalist and a potential worthy winner

Tobi. His inability to control his emotions and close his mouth reveals his true age. He made the show trend at times and would be a worthy winner

Lolu. Thrived in being seen as intelligent, he didn't offer much more than speaking queens English.

Khloe. I thought she was coming to bring in drama but she started licking Cee-c's broad flat ass. She probably couldn't cope with the energy in d house having been disqualified early in d game only to come in again almost like a complete stranger

this is big deal

since when did Auchi end up in Delta state?

Nwodosis:
Buhari's achievements are blames, blames and more blames, the media has been reporting the blames and now the media itself has also been blamed!

classic

I've always been suspicious of those UK used phone

are there dolphins in Nigeria? would luv to see one

I am beginning to doubt Rico's sexuality. First of all, he doesn't seem to be attracted to any lady in that house. Secondly, for a guy that handsome and mixed race(Nigerian girls can die for half caste) he should have no problem wooing a girl in that house because guys like that have so much comfidence around ladies(only downside is that he is kinda short)
Lastly, the way he hugged that Supersport female presenter that came into d house with Yobo and Ikpeba I started thinking. A real man doesn't hug a female they aren't close to that way, sinking himself into the woman's breast.
In conclusion, Rico is either a virgin or gay

thought I would see Ejigbo area of Lagos state

Mavrodi had nothing to do with MMM Nigeria