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Ojuntana:
3.One should keep silent while in the toilet. Thus, talking, reading, answering the greetings, and greeting others are not to be done in the toilet, except in a life-threatening situation, such as guiding a blind person. Even if one sneezes, one should say in his mind Alhamdu Lillaah. In Hadeeth reported by Ibn 'Umar, the Prophet (s.a.s.) was urinating when a man passed by and greeted him, but the Prophet did not answer him.

are u lying for Jesus again?

I said bring the Hadith about what u said that said the prophet said you shouldn't talk when shitting because there are djinns that get attracted to shit and they can enter your mouth.

Ojuntana:
How does that change the teachings of Jesus. When Peteer cut off the ear of the High priest's servant when Jesus was to be arrested, he healed the servant. So your argument is meaningless. It was Muhammad that murdered people and encouraged his followers to do same.

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me-

Luke 19:27

Ojuntana:
Is it that you really don't understand English that I have to be explaining the hadith of your prophet to you

mumu it means it doesn't future about what will happen to him whether good or bad.

advocatejare:
If he had divine right to slave, why then was he peeing in his pant and crying to his wives that he wouldn’t touch the slave girl anymore?

is Yahweh don't allowed us to sleep with our slave again?

advocatejare:
First and foremost, it was not everyone that ate the poisoned meat that died instantly and muhammad didnt die instantly because he didn't swallow the meat, and even despite that, the effect of the poison was still felt on his uvula and muhammad showing us that he didn't have any divine powers could not heal himself and Allah could not heal him, he had to get treated by cupping:

Muhammad didn't die on time because he didn't swallow the meat
When the apostle had rested, Zaynab d. al-Harith, the wife of Sallam b. Mishkam prepared for him a roast lamb, having first inquired what joint he preferred. When she learned that it was the shoulder she put a lot of poison in it and poisoned the whole lamb. Then she brought it in and placed it before him. He took hold of the shoulder and chewed a morsel of it, but he did not swallow it. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma’rur who was with him took some of it as the apostle had done, but he swallowed it, while the apostle spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Then he called for the woman and she confessed, and when he asked her what had induced her to do this she answered: ‘You know what you have done to my people. I said to myself, If he is a king I shall ease myself of him and if he is a prophet he will be informed (of what I have done).’ So the apostle let her off. Bishr died from what he had eaten.
Marwan b. Uthman b. Abu Sa’id b. al-Mu’alla told me: The apostle had said in his illness of which he was to die when Umm Bishr d. al-Bara came to visit him, ‘O Umm Bishr, this is the time in which I feel a deadly pain from what I ate with your brother at Khaybar.’ The Muslims considered that the apostle had died as a martyr in addition to the prophetic office with which God had honoured him.
- Sira Ibn Ishaq The Life of Muhammad, p. 516


Jabir ibn Abdullah used to say that a Jewess from the inhabitants of Khaybar poisoned a roasted sheep and presented it to the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) who took its foreleg and ate from it. A group of his companions also ate with him. The Messenger of Allah then said: Take your hands away (from the food). The Messenger of Allah then sent someone to the Jewess and he called her. He said to her: Have you poisoned this sheep? The Jewess replied: Who has informed you? He said: This I foreleg which I have in my hand has informed me. She said: Yes. He said: What did you intend by it? She said: I thought if you were a prophet, it would not harm you; if you were not a prophet, we should rid ourselves of him (i.e. the Prophet). The Messenger of Allah then forgave her, and did not punish her. But some of his companions who ate it, died. The Messenger of Allah had himself cupped on his shoulder on account of that which he had eaten from the sheep. AbuHind cupped him with the horn and knife. He was a client of Banu Bayadah from the Ansar.
Sunan Abu Dawud 39:4495

As you can see here, only some,( not all) of his companions that are the poisoned meat died. So Muhammad not dying immediately wasn't special

Arindin u don't need to swallow poison before it works.


It has to be ingested or licked to cause harm.

advocatejare:
Quran said if Muhammad fabricated things, his aorta will be cut and his aorta was cut

don't lie unto Qur'an, Qur'an did say his aorta will be cut.


It says we would have [/b]which means It is used to express an unreal or untrue idea, that would or could be true if something else were true.

And before that the word

The verse was stated as


[b]Had the [/b]Messenger made up something in Our Name,

advocatejare:
[b]Sunan Abu Dawud 39:4495-4498
Narrated AbuSalamah: Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of AbuSalamah, and he did not mention the name of AbuHurayrah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah). This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?
She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

and where did Allah said he would cut his off his aorta if he invented a lie?

I want u to answer the bolded especially

advocatejare:
Muhammad had short memory, he had forgotten that part of the Quran, you know he was always forgetting the Quran?

Sahih Muslim 788 b
"Aisha reported that the Messenger of Allah
listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a
man in the mosque. Thereupon he said:
May Allah have mercy upon him; he
reminded me of the verse which I had been
made to forget."

mumu u saw made in the bolded,so how is that related to short memory?

advocatejare:
That is why you should believe when the Quran said Muhammad was lost and misguided

Muhammad was misguided and lost before Allah claimed to have sent him but Muslims always lie that Allah doesn't sent the misguided.


"We found you lost and guided [you]"

“wawajadaka ḍāllan fahad
-surah 93:7


The word used is ضَالًّا dallan, which means lost, astray, misguided. That was what Muhammad was [b]before he was named a prophet [/b]by Waraqa !

mumu the meaning there means Allah was aware of what he doesn't know about and guided him.

Does that supposed to mean he was into pagan worship before becomoa prophet?

Ojuntana:
Hiel. That is Mary's father not any Imran.

no be only hiel,put hell join.


Where did Bible called heil her father?

Ojuntana:
It is not my fault na. It's because you're too dumb to understand anything. The genealogy is that of Mary and we know this because Luke focused on Mary more than he did Joseph. Besides, it is known that genealogy is counted from the patriarchy and after establishing that Jesus was not Joseph's son, it would look absurd to enumerate Joseph's genealogy for Jesus.

where was Mary mentioned in Luke 3?

Ojuntana:
Go and ask Muhammad now It's what he said i'm showing you. What is obvious is he was not saying Aaron and Mary are related as you've been claiming So who is lying between you and Muhammad

Mary related to Levite or not?

Ojuntana:
Lol. See this capital MUMU. So if someone is from the same country as you, then it measn you are blood relations. Lol. I guess all Nigerians are related by blood. This dude is real dumb

arindin these people are homogeneous then and they are not so much just like isrealites.

What is hard for u to understand there?

Ojuntana:
This is 1 Chronicles 3:10

your lying ass keep amusing me and how is that indicated that all lines of David are his sons?

David sons from his wives and concubines were already being mentioned which included Solomon, before they began to mentioned Solomon owns son.

The verse u posted Never answer my question.

Ojuntana:
Muhammad does not agree that they are related So who is lying between you and Muhamamad

but Bible agree he related to Aaron through Elizabeth.

Whether through mother or father

Ojuntana:
I already posted it for you. It's not ,my fault you're too dumb to understand.

boy stop playing with me


Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry. Jesus was known as the son of Joseph. Joseph was the son of Heli.

Luke 3:23

Ojuntana:
Dummy. How does that relate. Abraham was a direct uncle to Lot. So if he called him brother he was correct. Even in Yoruba and some other traditions, there's nothing like uncle. What you have is father and brother.

another dodging

So Uncle can mean brother now


In Yoruba, there is nothing like uncle ,so u mean we call our uncle ọmọ iya mi or egbon mi?

Ojuntana:
The son-in-law can be adopted as the son in some circumstances.

I'm some circumstances can u please give me where it happens like this whether in OT or new testament?

Ojuntana:
Besides that, what is obvious is that Mary was not related to Aaron.

and how come she related to Elizabeth a Levite?

Ojuntana:
Muhammad himself confirmed that. Or do you mean Muhammad is lying?

where did he say that?

Ojuntana:
Muhammad does not think so o So is Muhammad lying that Mary was named after Aaron's sister and not that they are related?

We are talking about Aaron stuff here not Mary

Ojuntana:
Well, Muhammad never mentioned that in his quran about Isa. It is either Allah forgot that important fact or he did not know. I guess that means you are more knowledgeable than Allah and Muhammad

mumu must Qur'an mentioned it

Are u saying Abraham don't give birth to Isaac and Ismael again?

Ojuntana:
Mumu. Joseph's father in OT is Jacob. Jacob's father is Isaac. In NT, Joseph's father is Jacob, whose father is Mattathias. You get the difference now? Meanwhile, Miriam's brothers are Aaron and Moses while Mary is not known to have a brother. However, Miriam and Aaron's father is Imran while Mary's father is Imran in the Quran. You see the confusion of your quran now?

dumb ass nigga
I'm talking about Joseph the carpenter and Joseph of Egypt,both their fathers name are Jacob.

Ojuntana:
Muhammad never said so. He said she was named after a pious person. So it's obvious Muhammad does not think Aaron and Mary are related as you claim. So who is lying now between you and Muhammad. But Compton knows best

mumu don't change the topic.

Mary related to Levite from mother or father side or not?

advocatejare:
Anytime we expose you,‘you lie that it’s fabricated even though it’s a sahih Hadith written by Muslims, so are you saying that you sahih Hadith are fabricated? Or your Quran are Tafsir are fabricated?



"And when the Prophet confided to one of his wives a statement; and when she informed [another] of it and Allah showed it to him, he made known part of it and ignored a part. And when he informed her about it, she said, Who told you this? He said, I was informed by the Knowing, the Acquainted."
(QS. At-Tahrim 66: Verse 3)

"If you two [wives] repent to Allah, [it is best], for your hearts have deviated. But if you cooperate against him - then indeed Allah is his protector, and Gabriel and the righteous of the believers and the angels, moreover, are [his] assistants."
(QS. At-Tahrim 66: Verse 4)


It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed:
"O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' until the end of the Verse.
Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959.




66.1 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriyaَ— when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — byَ saying,َ‘Sheَ isَ unlawfulَ forَ me!’,َ seeking,َ byَ makingَ herَ unlawfulَ [forَ you],َ toَ pleaseَ yourَ wives?َ Andَ God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition.



If Maria was Muhammad’s wife and not a slave he raped on Hafsa’s bed, why did he swear not to ever sleep with her again?

Of course because he knew that he did a very shameful thing!
[b]

are u saying Yahweh don't allowed us to smash our slave again?




And they who guard their private parts


Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed


But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors
QURAN 25:5-7




[b]Even Yahweh collected his shared of Virgins from war Moses fought

advocatejare:
If you claim that poison didn’t kill your false prophet, then you are saying that Muhammad is a liar for saying that he died from poisoned food (atenuje lopa Muhamo)

oponu leyin ọdun mẹrin abi? ,the aim of poisoner is to kill u quickly not after four years

The same atenujẹ that led to Jesus death,it was during the atenujẹ that they captured him

advocatejare:
Muhammad dying from poison showed that he was a fabricator as he failed his proof of authenticity as stated in the Quran:

Jesus dying on cross after drinking sour wine showed he was ACCURSED as stated in the Bible


And how come Qur'an didn't called him a fabricator?

advocatejare:
Muhammad claimed that his sickness that led to his death was due to the poison he ate and that his aorta was cut


"And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings,"
(QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 44)
َََََُّ

"We would have seized him by the right hand;"
(QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 45)
ََّْ ََََُُ
"Then We would have cut from him the aorta." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 46)

Sahih Bukhari Vol 5 book 59 Hadith 713
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
-Sunan Abu Dawud 39:4495-4498[/b

[b]Sahih Bukhari Vol 5 book 59 Hadith 713
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

your lying ass would be exposing today by linking the Qur'an and this Hadith



There are several problems with this assumption.

He said: AS IF my aorta is being cut off.

How does this mean it actually is being cut off?


How can one actually know if his aorta is actually being cut off?


If the Prophet did know his aorta was actually being cut off, why did he tell that to others? Wouldn't that make people think he is a false prophet as people claim he is?



Your dumb ass saw AS IF there and u Know concluded his orta was cut of?

And no 2 answer about this, the word used in Qur'an is وتين Al wateen.

While both the two Hadith u quoted used أبهر abhar.


They are different but both in the same place


Ahbar is a general term for the main vein in the body of which the aorta is part of (which is why it is translated such sometimes). Wateen is always Aorta, Ahbar doesn't necessarily mean aorta.



Plus this is the idiom the Arabs like to used especially when they are in pain.

advocatejare:
Sunan Abu Dawud 39:4495-4498
Narrated AbuSalamah: Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of AbuSalamah, and he did not mention the name of AbuHurayrah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah). This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?
She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

this one is fabricated according to al- Albany but since u won't agree and let assume his aorta was cutten off according to this second Hadith then why did Quran says these about the prophet?



And indeed, this ˹Quran˺ is the absolute truth.

69:51


These are Allah’s revelations, which We are conveying to you accurately. And O Muhammad, most surely you are of those who have been sent as Messengers
2:252

Ojuntana:
When did I condemn them. It's not yet 2 o clock na so why is your brain overheating?

ok

Ojuntana:
There's evidence. Even nairaland here, an hadith was posted on toilet etiquette. Go and find it. Stop displaying ignorance of your religion like a common idiot.

oya post it where the Hadith says
prophet said you shouldn't talk when shitting because there are djinns that get attracted to shit and they can enter your mouth.

I need evidence for that bolded especially.

Ojuntana:
Why not? Christians do it all the time. If not, when Deborah was killed by you Jihadists, there would have been reprisal killings.

then how come the crusaders killed the Jews by accusing them of killing Jesus?

Ojuntana:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to us, I (addressing the dead body) said, "May Allah's Mercy be on you, O Aba As-Sa'ib! I testify that Allah has honored you." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'How do you know that?' I replied, 'I do not know, by Allah.' He said, 'As for him, death has come to him and I wish him all good from Allah. By Allah, though I am Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I neither know what will happen to me, nor to you. Sahih al-Bukhari 7018

and how come did the Hadith Translated to he doesn't know whether he will make heaven

Ojuntana:
And it is a coincidence that Mary's father in the Quran bears same name with Miriam's father in the Bible? And Elizabeth lived in Mary's father's house? Lol. Your quran has confused you

Elizabeth live in mary's father house in Qur'an? Where Is that?

pls let me know the name of Mary father according to Bible.

Ojuntana:
I'm not changing topic. What I'm pointing out to you is that the genealogy of Mary in Luke 3 points her to Judah and even if you want to contest that, the next place Luke points her towards is Galilee. There is no mention of her being a Levite like Elizabeth was mentioned. Thus it is preposterous to now claim that she is a descendant of Aaron or "sister" of Aaron whatever that means.

u are irritating me by keeping referring Joseph the carpenter geneology as mary's geneology,are u blind to see Joseph there?

Ojuntana:
Because you have so-far failed to establish it as a style in the Quran. Throughout the Bible, genealogy is through the male line. Show in the Quran, genealogy by sisterhood or brotherhood. You're the one who claimed the Quran was referring to her descending from Aaron which you have not been able to prove. Note also that there's an hadith on this issue and it says thus: So you can see that your own explanation is totally different from that of Muhammad. So who shall we believe now? You or Muhammad?
It seems you know better than Muhammad in this matter

And who was Mary now named after?

U too mumu,abi Mary of OT have a biological brother according to what u posted?

Ojuntana:
Seems you don't know the meaning of patriarchy. Anyways, another taqiyya. The correct verse is Quran 7:73 and the brethren there means his people not his relations. Must you be dumb and lie at the same time? Anyway if we want to go with your explanation, it means Muhammad is wrong with his above explanation But Compton knows best

and mumu u be, brother/brethren u can use both since the Qur'an says أخاهم
And they are of blood relations same as how children of isreal are.

Are u so dumb to understand?

Ojuntana:
Go and read 1 and 2 Chronicles for evidence. even Numbers too. Jewish lineage is patriarchal. An average student of history knows this.

same dodging as ever,post the comments inside those verses u posted here.

That says any line of David indirect are his sons.

Ojuntana:
That's not what Muhammad said o. But Compton knws best

and what did Muhammed Said oooo?

Mary related to Aaron or not?

Ojuntana:
How was he not related to it when both his father and mother are from the line of David. This is the exact reason Luke used Mary's lineage for Jesus' genealogy. There were those who claimed since Jesus was not Joseph's biological son, he couldn't be from the line of David. Well, Mary's lineage defeats that fact!!

Still saying rubbish and sh!t

Post the Luke 3 that referred to Mary lineage

Ojuntana:
Simple!! You can't establish Quran using filial genealogy as you claim. Salih that you gave as an example is fake because the verse was not referring to filial brotherhood but nationhood. I hope you're not too dumb to understand the difference

arindin ok ooo do u know Abraham called lot his brother?

Ojuntana:
You dumb Heli is Mary's father not mother. Thus he is Joseph's father-in-law. Joseph's name was used to preserve the patrilineal line. If Mary was inserted, it would make Jesus an illegitimate child in the eyes of Romans who also believed in patriarchy

another lie

So u are checking Google to say this bullsh!t?

While u are saying this bullsh!t,some Christians say heli is adopted father of Joseph the carpenter not her birth father.


And how come did son in law can mow become son?


Who is Mary father?

Ojuntana:
This is a dumb statement to make. Elizabeth was a levite and a direct descendant of Aaron and not a relative of Aaron. Aaron is not the only line in Levite lineage. So it is simply foolish to say without evidence that Mary was a relative of Aaron simply because Aaron is a Patriarch to Elizabeth.

Mary related to Aaron or not?

Whether through father or mother.

Ojuntana:
It is like saying Jesus and Muhammad are relatives. Does that make sense to you? It might since you're dumb.

yes they are!

Through their forefather Abraham

Ojuntana:
It cannot be a confusion because the father of Jacob in that chapter is identified as Mattathias while the father of Jacob in Genesis is Isaac.

and both have son named Joseph

Just like the father of Miriam in old testament is amran and father of Mary in Qur'an is Imran.

U got it ,if u don't get in forget about it.

Ojuntana:
Because Mary is not a levite. If she were a levite, the Bible would have said so. So, it could only be from her mother's line she was related to Elizabeth. If you're not dumb you will know this.

and the Bible never said he related to Judah either but what I know his where through father or mother,she shared Levite blood,that can be argued,cos she was recorded as Elizabeth cousin.

Ojuntana:
Have Christians threatened to kill the President and a sitting Governor in their bid to enthrone Yahweh?

IPOB nkọ?

advocatejare:
If Maria Coptic was his wife, why then did he beg Hafsah not to tell other wives that he was caught pant down with Maria? Why did he swear never to sleep with her again? Until he lied that Allah has freed him from the oath?

fabricated Hadith,why shouldn't he be sleeping with her,ain't she not her belongings?


Abi Yahweh don't commanded that again?

advocatejare:
If your other wife sees you sleeping with the other wives, how is that a big deal? That means your sex-addict false prophet raped the innocent Maria and her pregnant that was why he was ashamed and started swearing that he won’t sleep with her again!

Hehehehe did Mary the Coptic complained to u about that?

Abi Moses don't commanded virgins to be kept for himself and his army again?

advocatejare:
Alailojuti ni Muhammad, atenuje lopa Muhamo

if u still insist that poison killed him even he died three years after that,sebi na sour drink killed your Jesus immediately with his dick dangling on cross

And u are doing as if Jesus Never did atenujẹ at Matthew house too

Ojuntana:
How does that equate to an hadith. Stop being dumb and embrace all the hadiths of your prophets. Stop eating with spoon or else no Al-Jannah for you

arindin,are both not record of what they did?

Ojuntana:
That is because Christianity and human govt do not have any business together. That is why you don't see jihadists or terrorists threatening to kill the president for Allah's sake in Christianity. Is it not better to let people do what they want and answer to their God than forcing people to your way of life or killing them?

then stop condemning majority Christianity countries that legalized LGBT

Ojuntana:
Go back to Islamic school. I can't be spoon-feeding your on your hadiths.

mumu u be,so no evidence on what u said?

Ojuntana:
And what is wrong with that. Even unbelievers say an eye for an eye will make the world go blind. Jihad has birthed terrorists the world over.

I hope u will follow that teaching of turning other Cheeks

Ojuntana:
Rubbish. We are not like you all whose prophet does not even know if he will make heaven

When did he said that?

advocatejare:
"It was narrated from Salamah bin Muhabbiq that: the case of a man who had intercourse with the slave woman of his wife was referred to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and he did not stipulate any legal punishment for him"
_Sunan Ibn Majah
English reference : Vol. 3, Book 20, Hadith 2552
Arabic reference : Book 20, Hadith 2649





Oh, so it is no longer rape when someone didn’t give consent? Oh I forgot, Muhammad was also guilty of the same same crime. He was caught pant down raping Maria Al-Qibitiyya, Hafsa’s slave, on Hafsa’s bed. So Muhammad has no moral right to have punished the man that did the same. Iru iro ni iborun

oponu and u are doing as if Yahweh your father don't allow it to smash a slave that belongs to u, even the one that doesn't belong to u sef.

And Mary the Qoptic u talking about in that Hadith belongs to the prophet,she Even born a son for him.


[quote author=advocatejare post=115050425
Of course[/quote]oya tell me,what were we actually talking about?



[quote author=advocatejare post=115050425
So are you saying those Muslims following the Hadith are misguided Muslims?[/quote]not only misguided but wicked,how can u be raping a free women that doesn't belong to u.

That sounds like Bible stuff,and fake Hadith stuff though..

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives

Deuteronomy 22:28-29




I can deny the Hadith if I suspected it is fabricated but ain't no way u will deny the Bible verse.

advocatejare:
So in Islam adultery and rape are the same? Chai

if u do it to free woman that is not yours or your wife and Qur'an never say we should sleep with the slave woman that is not ours.

That means a slave woman is being use as prostitute.

Ojuntana:
What does the above trash have to do with the fight to enthrone Allah as the President of Nigeria?

Is Allah same with Yahweh?

just like Christians wanted to ethrone Yahweh as president of Nigeria

Ojuntana:
Jesus never gave us hadiths on his to shite.

but Bible recorded how your Jesus ate.

Ojuntana:
Ours is a religion of liberty not bondage

i see

That is why Christian dominated countries are legalizing LGBT, pornography and immoral dress.

Ojuntana:
The hadith of your prophet said you shouldn't talk when shitting because there are djinns that get attracted to shit and they can enter your mouth.

which Hadith is that again

Quote it let me see

Ojuntana:
Do you see such ridiculous ruling by Jesus?
Baba learn to eat with your three fingers and stop comparing apples with oranges

and also learn to turn your other Cheek when u were slapped .


And also learn to use holy spirit to tell us who will win this coming election.

Ojuntana:
You just keep jumping around. What is obvious is Mary was not a Levite. If she was, it would have been mentioned. Her cousin Elizabeth who was a levite was well described as such. This is because as I told you levites are nor recognized by their city. Here's how Elizabeth was described in Luke1:5

and Mary was Elizabeth relative.

Ojuntana:
Meanwhile, Mary was described in same Luke as being in Nazareth of Galilee. So it's obvious she was never a Levite cause if she was so, she would be described as such.

keep changing topic and sh!t

So if u know that,then why do u keep referred Mary as Judah when Bible never her as such?

Ojuntana:
But that is the Bible. In your Quran, can you give example of genealogy where a lineage is described in terms of brotherhood or sisterhood? Cause such does not exist in the Bible. Your excuse of son of is a reference to desendancy not direct son. It is very obvious as genealogies are explicitly stated. So, I'm waiting for an example in the Quran of familial genealogy as we have patriarchal genealogy in the bible

so if your Bible can describe geneology through sonship, where do you have problem with Qur'an describe geneology through brotherhood or sisterhood?

Ojuntana:
Because you don't. That is why you make assumptions that sister of Aaron is a bonafide description of genealogy just as son of David in the Bible. It is simple. Jewish genealogy is patriarchal just as most other genealogies. So if the Quran is introducing a new system of genealogy based on brotherhood or sisterhood, you have to establish it.

andnu keep saying patriarchal as if Aaron that Mary was referred to was a woman.
The Qur'an used to called a person a brother of person or people based on their relation not actually because they are blood.


To Thamud people We sent their brother Salih
Qur'an 7:7

Ojuntana:
Because Jewish genealogy is patriarchal. The patriarch is David so any offspring of his is his son whether direct or not.

Evidence of that of the bolded in Jewish tradition.

Ojuntana:
What does sister of Aaron then mean? Explain it cogently since you claim it is not a mistake.

how many times u want me to explain?

Cos I said sisterhood there has to do with relationship and direct or indirectly,Mary is related to Aaron cos his cousin Elizabeth was Levite

Ojuntana:
Joseph accepted Jesus as his son based on the revelation from the angel. To the Jews then, Jesus was Joseph's son.

and that make Jesus be claiming the lineage he never related to?

So pathetic

Ojuntana:
Luke 3 was referring to the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. It is Matthew that reveals the genealogy of Joseph. Luke who wrote the Gospel used the genealogy of Mary because he knew that Jesus was not Joseph's biological son, so he sought to establish his genealogy through the mother's side while still respecting genealogy through the patrilineal line as is common with the Jews.
U are still a lying ass nigga, Luke never mentioned Mary therei don't know what it is hard for u to accept.

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry.He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, the son of Melki






[quote author=Ojuntana post=115039652]Is Quran now depending on Bible for genealogy? Quran introduced sisterhood genealogy and couldn't even establish it properly. Yet you expect us to accept the quran as complete and accurate. Why were other quranic figures not identified through their sister line or brother line. Why only Mary?

mumu

What is there to establish?

Ojuntana:
Jacob is Joseph's father. The one of Luke is that from his mother's side

hehehehe nigga keep lying


I thought Jew don't identify through matrilineal line?

I thought Luke 3 is referring to Mary geneology!

And since when did heli now a woman name?

Ojuntana:
You mean only bad men die? Why then did Muhammad die? Why was the poison not transferred to someone else?

death of another man to wash your own sins?

Ojuntana:
Because there's no evidence either from Bible or Quran that Mary was a Levite.
If she was, the Bible especially would have mentioned it.

hehehe Mary was a relative of Elizabeth and that makes her a relative of Aaron too.

Ojuntana:
Instead the Bible establishes that she did her census with her fiancé in Bethlehem and she lived in Nazareth. Her line is also traced in Luke to David. So except you have better evidence.

which line?

U mean Joseph the carpenter line?

Ojuntana:
It is most obvious that Aaron's sister that the quran was talking about was a confusion of Miriam with Mary The effects of copying

just like Jacob the father of Joseph was also a confusion with Joseph.

Ojuntana:
Aaron is not female but he is surely not her paternal ancestor. Elizabeth was a Levite and she was described as cousin to Mary so if Aaron has any connection with her at all, it will be from the mother side. The problem then will be who identifies people from the matrilineal side in Jewish culture or even Arab self

what makes u sure she related to Elizabeth through mother line?

Ojuntana:
Omobinrin means daughter and arabinrin means sister. Yoruba genealogy is also patrilineal. Or are you now claiming Yoruba use sisterhood too for genealogy? Haba

Patrillineal this patrillineal that,u haven't tell me how Mary related to David.

Ojuntana:
She was Elizabeth's relative. If she was Levite, it would have been mentioned. It is the Bible that established her relationship with Elizabeth.

and if she was Judah, Bible would have mentioned but u keep referring to Luke 3 taht was talking about geneology of Joseph the carpenter.

Ojuntana:
Your Quran claimed she is Aaron's sister Your Quran also claims that Elizabeth lived in Mary's father's house and was a descendant of Aaron. So if Elizabeth and Mary share Aaron as descendant, it then means they are sisters and not relatives If they are sisters, it means Aaron is her patriarch and not her "brother". You see how the thing be now

did u ever see me calling Mary the blood sister of Aaron?

Ojuntana:
The important fact is that Mary is not a Levite and your confused Quran is just badly copied

hehhehee and she is Judah?

Evidence

advocatejare:
What punishment did muhammad give?
Muhammad left rapist unpunished


"It was narrated from Salamah bin Muhabbiq that:the case of a man who had intercourse with the slave woman of his wife was referred to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and he did not stipulate any legal punishment for him"
_Sunan Ibn Majah 
English reference : Vol. 3, Book 20, Hadith 2552
Arabic reference : Book 20, Hadith 2649

so where did u see rape there?

Plus do u know what we talking about before u put mouth?

advocatejare:
Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab that Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan gave a judgment that the rapist had to pay the raped woman her bride- price.
Yahya said that he heard Malik say, "What is done in our community about the man who rapes a woman, virgin or non-virgin, if she is free, is that he must pay the bride-price of the like of her. If she is a slave, he must pay what he has diminished of her worth. The hadd-punishment in such cases is applied to the rapist, and there is no punishment applied to the raped woman. If the rapist is a slave, that is against his master unless he wishes to surrender him."
_Muwatta Malik
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 36, Hadith 14
Arabic reference : Book 36, Hadith 1418

this Hadith u posted, where was the name of the prophet mentioned there?


Rape of free women that is not your wife is like adultery and punishable by flogging,so the Hadith contradicted the teaching of Islam.

Ojuntana:
Compton11. Seems this ones are fighting for Allah. Won't you join them?

just like Moses, Samuel, Aaron, crusaders fought for Yahweh.


Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed.

Exodus 22:20

Ojuntana:
Compton11
Do you eat with spoon too?

Do u eat with spoon too cos Jesus never used spoon.

Ojuntana:
Lol. See mumu trying diversion. Mary is a Bethlehemite from the city of David. Levites don't have city in the Bible. There were never given any portion of land as theirs. A levite is usually referred to as Levite from Ephraim for example. Nobody refers to a Levite as an Ephraimite.
So your stupid reason is a capital lie. Mary is not from the Levite tribe. She is a Bethlehemite of the lineage of David.

Your nigga ass still keep lying,give me the evidence that says Mary is from Bethlehem or born In Bethlehem, u are the using diversion for your lying ass.


So it is about Levites don't have city now?

So because Levites don't have a City,they can't father children again?

Ojuntana:
What do you want to do with it?

no be u say I should know how Jews count their geneology?

Ojuntana:
Explain what kind of sister it is then. Jews don't identify themselves based on familial ties.

then how come Joseph the carpenter was called son of David?

Ojuntana:
They identify based on patrilineal lines. So to claim Mary is a descendant of Aaron by sisterhood whatever that nonsense means is to fabricate your own genealogy that does not conform with Jewish standards. So you have to show proof that such genealogy exists or else na another taqiyya

and where did u see me identify Mary based on matrilineal line?.

I still asking u since and u still ignore the question, quote the verse from the Bible that Said Mary is from Judah Tribe.



Pathetic thing is that,u said Jew identify based on patrilineal line and Jesus was called son of David through his fake father and if u say he was called son of David through her mother then u contradicted yourself the fact that Bible never stated Mary was from lineage of David.

Ojuntana:
Luke 3. Go and read

your lying ass ain't telling any truth,Luke 3 was talking about geneology of Joseph the carpenter the non -real Father of Jesus.

Ojuntana:
Lol. The same Quran that says Mary mother of Jesus is Aaron's sister Badly written Quran exposed the lies of Jews. What lies exactly?

sister based on geneology.

Just line son based on geneology.

Ojuntana:
Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli,

keep exposing your dumbass ass there.

Joseph the carpenter was called the son of heli there.

And u saw the word "son" and u still referred it to Mary?


Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry. Jesus was known as the son of Joseph. Joseph was the son of Heli

Luke 3:23



Jacob or heli, which one is Joseph the carpenter father?

Ojuntana:
That's because the quran badly copied the Bible. There's no way a copycat will copy perfectly you have to agree. Another fable is the absurd claim that Jesus was replaced by someone else on the cross. When Roman records clearly shows that Jesus' crucifixion indeed happened. The historicity of the crucifixion of Jesus in the Bible is not in doubt as it is well detailed and clear while that of Quran seems like a badly rehearsed fable that is incomplete and unverifiable. For example, the person who was said to replace Jesus on the cross, what is his name and where does he come from?

keep deceiving yourself there,u mean the same Jesus death that filled with contradictions in the Bible?

And why would a sane man expecting the death of another man especially a good man?

Ojuntana:
The term son of David is to imply that he is of the lineage of David and not that he is biological son.

then why is it hard for u to agree that the term so imply that she is of the lineage of Aaron and not that that she is biological sister?

Ojuntana:
Jews trace their genealogy through the male line and the descendants are always direct.

and Aaron is a female?

Ojuntana:
No sister or brother or cousin or uncle in genealogies.

and the one i quoted say it is biological sister?

In the sense "omobinrin" or "arabinrin" if u understand Yoruba language.

Ojuntana:
That is why it is easy to spot Mary sister of Aaron as a mistake because it makes no sense whatsoever to refer to Mary as sister of Aaron, moreso when she was not from Aaron's line.

What makes u think Mary is not From Aaron line?

Do u know her relative called Elizabeth was a Levite?

Ojuntana:
Aaron was a levite. Mary was from Judah. So how will you call someone from Judah "sister" to a Levite when all the children of Israel are actually brothers and sisters to one another. You cannot ever be able to explain it.

Your dumb ass hasn't still show me where Mary from the tribe of Judah.

Ojuntana:
What does Michael have to do with this?

I think u edited the word I quoted,that is why I asked that question.

Ojuntana:
Ask Muhammad who said Mary is Aaron's sister

Sister not sister sister.

Ojuntana:
It was a vision and a voice came from heaven.

and what makes u think it is Angel?

Ojuntana:
Is that not the same thing that Muhammad claimed to hear and you all call revelation? If you doubt that how then do you accept that of Muhammad?

No.

Ortomatic the failure ass nigga!

Ojuntana:
Bethlehem is the city of David. Anyone from there is from David's lineage.

arindin,is like saying anybody from Oyo must be lineage of alaafin



U ain't making sense at all.

Where did u even see the rubbish u are spewing?

Ojuntana:
If you don't know how Jews count their genealogy go and find out.

Mr counter, how do they count it?

Ojuntana:
Anyway, since she's from Bethlehem, she can't be sister to Aaron as your Quran points out.

and what makes your dumb ass think the sister there is blood sister?


And pathetic thing is u are lying upon lies, where is evidence that Mary was from Bethlehem or was born there?

Ojuntana:
Her genealogy is in Luke. I can't read it out for you cause your badly copied Quran already filled your head with lies.

nah nigga im learning from u, quote the verse out where her geneology was stated.

Ojuntana:
It's obvious it was a mistake. The copycat mistook Miriam sister of Aaron for Mary mother of Jesus which is why he took Miriam's father's name for Mary's.

the lies of Jews was exposed in the Qur'an

Ojuntana:
Mary's father's name is Hiel. It's in Luke 3.
Quran copycats mixed both up due to their poor knowledge of both characters. It is also obvious that a lot of the so-called revelations in the Quran are actually hearsay which were prevalent in that time about Jewish history. It is for example why Quran claims that Jesus was not crucified but someone else was used to replace him on the cross. It's one of the Jewish apologetics he adopted.

quote it out where Mary father was called hiel In the Bible.

Ojuntana:
Do you then imply that both Miriam and Mary's fathers have same name?

in Islamic perspective I don't know cos Qur'an never mentioned name of Musa sister or name of their father just like Bible never mentioned name of Mary's father.

Ojuntana:
It's not the same and the evidence is there in Matthew. Jacob father of Joseph in OT has Isaac as his father while Jacob father of Joseph in NT has Eliezer as his father. Except you mean Isaac, a well known character in OT also bears Eliezer

ok

Explain why Joseph the carpenter was called son of David.

Ojuntana:
Lol. So Allah is now same with Jibreel? I thought Allah had no other name than Allah?

can't Yahweh send Micheal to deliver a message again?

Ojuntana:
Never!! Yahweh does not plagiarize

and Allah does?

Ojuntana:
The verse said it was a vision and he heard a voice from heaven. It's definitely an angel that speaks to one from heaven in a vision don't you agree

and u now concluded it was angel the fact that the verse never said it was an angel

Ojuntana:
Not if. You MUST drink camel urine else you're not a good Muslim. A good Muslim follows the sunnah and hadith of the prophet.
Show me picture of people drinking a chilled glass of horse urine.

Edo culture.

shukẹ

Ojuntana:
Give evidence that Allah made all laws in the Quran.

Cos Quran is his word.

Ojuntana:
The Quran was not given by Allah. So how can you now claim that the laws there are from Allah? Allah himself never spoke in the Quran.

oh Qur'an was giving by Yahweh then.

Ojuntana:
Acts 10:15

where did the verse make mention of angel talking there?

Ojuntana:
Good so why have you not been drinking camel's urine as medicine you disobedient child? You should be flogged for disobeying the prophet!!

and if I drink it then what happened?

And u are doing as if they Don't use animal urine as drug


Horse urine is part of what they make a drug called premarin.

Ojuntana:
Which all over the world is that? I'm not aware in my culture of drinking urine o

what culture?

Ojuntana:
She's a Bethlehemite and Bethlehem is the town of David.

so because she was Bethlehemite make her automatically a lineage of David?

Be deceving yourself there.

Ojuntana:
Read Luke 3 for her genealogy.

read it out for me and show me where her geneology was mentioned.

Ojuntana:
Stay on the topic. Why did Quran mix Mary mother of Jesus with Miriam sister of Aaron and Moses? Did the Angel make a mistake here? Or it's Muhammad who misheard?

when did Quran tell that Miriam of B
OT and Mary are same thing?

Ojuntana:
Note that he then went and called Mary's father Imran which is the name of Moses, Aaron and Miriam's father.

nigga,let your Bible story be to u and let my Qur'anic story be to me.

Ojuntana:
So if Quran is the truth and the Bible was lying about the father of Moses, Aaron and Miriam, can you give us the name of their father different from Imran according to the "truthful" Quran?

Qur'an never mentioned the name of father of Musa and Aaron just like Bible never mentioned the name of Mary's father's name.


And why u acting as if the name amran is not common among the Jews?


U are the one that told me that the Jacob mentioned as father of Joseph the carpenter wasn't the same as Joseph of Egypt,so why u acting as if multiple people can't bear same name?

Ojuntana:
Who made all the laws in the Quran? Was it not an angel? Did Muhammad ever hear directly from Allah? So what problem do you have with Angel giving laws?

Allah made all laws in Qur'an.

I asked question and u did as if u don't see it.

Evidence that angel made the law in act of apostle.

Ojuntana:
Is it in the hadith or not? All this Arab medicine na turenchi.
The prophet recommended it or not? Or do you mean the prophet's recommendations are only for Arabs?

it is Sahih Hadith and the prophet recommended it,so what happened?

Drinking or local application of human or animal urine for medicinal purposes has been practiced all over the world for millennia

Ojuntana:
Keep quiet there with your taqiyya.
Son of David refers to the fact that David is his patriarch. The patriarchal system has stays been used to identify people since time immemorial even up to now.

so u know that and your dumbass refused to accept that of Mary.

Ojuntana:
Jacob referred to in Matthew 1:16 is different from Jacob of Genesis. That Jacob has Eliezer as his father and Jacob of Genesis has Isaac as his father.

keep deceiving yourself there
Luke 3:23 Even called him son of Eli not Jacob

Ojuntana:
And for your information, Mary is of the bloodline of David so why wasn't she referred to as daughter of David but sister of Aaron?

Which David?

No be only David,put davido join.

Where is the evidence she is the bloodline of David?

Ojuntana:
When did sisterhood become a means of identify genealogy? Can you give other examples from the Quran of such genealogy through sisterhood?

that is how they have been using it in the olden day just like how Joseph the carpenter is son of David.

Ojuntana:
Is it not obvious that Muhammad will plagiarizing got confused and misinterpreted Mary mother of Jesus to be one and the same with Miriam sister of Aaron?

Qur'an came to unveil the lies of the unknown writers.

Ojuntana:
Is it a coincidence that he misspelt Mary as Maryam when it is obvious Miriam is not mentioned at all in the quran? For your information, Mary"s father in the quran is Imran while Miriam and Moses father in the Bible is Amram.

hehehe shukẹ

U feel tell me the father of Mary in OT?

Ojuntana:
It is thus obvious that Muhammad plagiarized the OT and couldn't even do so competently.

it is obvious all Muhammed came to unveil all the lies.

luluman:
Stop being dumb like I said. Leave us with our bible and its teachings you can try to change idol worshipping or Islam.

What a dumbass nigga.

Ojuntana:
An Angel.

angel.

Yahweh dey make law,angel too dey make law.

Who dash monkey banana?

Plus give me evidence where angel could commanded that pork should be eaten.

Ojuntana:
So you mean the hadith on camel's urine is for Arabs only?

arindin what I meant is that it is medicine common among the arab.

It is used to cure certain diseases.

Ojuntana:
Hold on. What am I reading in the bolded here?
You guys believe Mary the mother of Jesus was same with Miriam sister of Aaron and Moses?

Compton11, Antichristian Come thou and see what I saw in the hilly Quran

who told u na Bible Miriam of Moses and Aaron?

In the olden days,It was common to use "sister of" or "son of" to refer to people, especially if the people they referred them to are righteous people,that was the reason why Mary was called sister of Aaron there plus Mary is related to Aaron through Levites and u are doing as if the same isn't in the Bible.

In Matthew 1:20, Joseph the carpenter was called son of David.


In Matthew 1:16, Jacob was called the father of Joseph the carpenter again.

And also Jesus was called son of David in Matthew 21:9 and in many other verse


And NB my nigga ojutana, Miriam or whatever wasn't recorded as biology sister to Moses and Aaron in the Qur'an.