₦airaland Forum

Agboriotejoye:
Wetin concern Igbo with Yoruba matter? The question is, will you accept the person as representing Yoruba

question is,will fellow southern Nigerians like igbo accept it?

Agboriotejoye:
And what does that now imply? Does it not show that no one is lording over the other in CAN? Unlike Islam that only one family can be the head. The family if Dan Fodio. Rest of you are slaves to Dan Fodio's family.

that is sokoto monarch u are talking about , what it has to do with Islam?

Agboriotejoye:
How can you enjoy playing second fiddle so much? Are you forbidden from becoming leaders? Even UN has had an African Secretary General.

hehhehee the headquarter of NSCIA is in Abuja and Yoruba head it while sultan is in sokoto,how is that a second fiddle?

Plus sultan can't make a decision without consulting all the Muslim ethnicities in the council


And u are crying as if only Yoruba are only Muslims in Nigeria

Agboriotejoye:
Did the past leaders of CAN die before they are replaced? The same CAN you're running your mouth against understands that one man should not lord it over others.

then how come pope in vactican never leave the post until they resign or die?

Agboriotejoye:
While you're waiting for someone to die. What if he dies? Will a Yoruba take over as Muslim leader in Nigeria?

why are u crying as if Yoruba are the only Muslims for the post?

Out of over 200 ethnicities that are Muslim,na only Yoruba u keep mentioning.

Agboriotejoye:
Is it about tribe or region? It is a case of southern vs Northern region. The other way round. If a Yoruba from Kogi is picked as Atiku or Buhari or Kwankwaso's running mate, would Yorubas in the South see him as representing them?

I hope the bullshit u are trying to defend will happen someday

Even if Yoruba don't complain,Igbo and others will.

Speaking of Igbo,I heard CAN haven't make them president before,the fact that they possess the highest number of Christianity.

Agboriotejoye:
You still have not told us when a very serious Yoruba Muslim like your humble self will become NSCIA President. Even if it is a Yoruba from Kwara or Kogi we don't mind. Let's start from there

hehehehe the current leader there hasn't died,and why should he be replaced?

The secretary general is Yoruba and also the Deputy President General South of the council is Yoruba.

What else do u want?


Abi na yoruba be only Muslim in Nigeria?

Agboriotejoye:
When did you and Oyedepo converse that he told you he does not see himself as a northerner? Are you never tired of taqiyya

Oyedepo started his church in Kaduna

How do you know they will complain? Are you their spokesman or does taqiyya involve abrogating people's mind to yourself?

u mean they won't complain of Yoruba-yoruba ticket?

21siyanbola:
Has there ever been a southerner as SULTAN?

why would a Southerner be a monarch of sokoto?

Agboriotejoye:
Compton11. A northerner once emerged as CAN President. When will a Southerner become President of NSCIA?

u mean a Yoruba man from north central that doesn't even see himself as northerner just like oyedepo?

So if the man was chosen by tinubu as VP candidate,won't dumbass nigga like u and the likes of babachir lawal complain?

North Korea have nothing to lose!

Come and see how Protestants will tag it as islamization

U wan compare sleep with death?

Behead that nigga when it is time to kill him and throw his remain into the ocean make fish find something to chop.

They don't want tinubu cos they want who they would be control with their northern propaganda like OBi

royalamour:
No Middle Beltan or Southern Nigerian is qualified to receive this award?

what did u do for them to deserve it?

Imagine the corrupted grass cutting of a nigga is now a spoke man for the Christians

oluwasegun007:
Normal talk from a typical extremist....

how I'm I extremist?

U can't tell an Igbo nigga to stop what they know how to do Best

afghaniEASTERN Talibans at work

oluwasegun007:
See them, always commenting with so much hate and negative vibes.

Religion of peace

oponu

Do u expect muric to be pro-christ?

As if Jews u Christians always lick their ass are pro-christ

oluwasegun007:
Muric is antichrist...know this and know peace.

so u want them to be pro Christ before?

Even your Jewish masters that y'all always lick their ass are anti Christ.

APOSTLECHUMA:
I WILL CONTINUE TO BLAME SARAH WHOSE UNBELIEF TO GOD'S WORD LED TO THE BIRTH OF ISHMAEL. SINCE ISHMAEL WAS BORN, HUMANITY HAS NEVER KNOWN PEACE.

have u tell that to Arab Christians That are of Ismaelite?

Greediness leads to gamble and if govt ban public gambling now,some people will be crying of islamization!

advocatejare:
Praising God

oti da

advocatejare:
Our own God didn’t promise us paradise of orgy and pornography

but Solomon and the heaven sons of god will like to fvcked though.

advocatejare:
Her vagina

her private part though cos farju was Also used for men.

advocatejare:
When used for women it means vagina

and when used for men nkọ ooo?

advocatejare:
He guarded her vagina and still Allah breathed his spirit into her vagina

pastor jare,e bẹru Olohun, stop misquoting

advocatejare:
Not breathing a spirit into her, but into her vagina

advocatejare:
Yahweh never claimed to have breathed his spirit into peoples vagina and got them pregnant in the process

but he sent holy spirit to raga bo Maria.

advocatejare:
Show me where breathe into her vagina is written in your so called book of wisdom!

which one is my so called book of wisdom?

Is book of wisdom not in Christiandom again?

advocatejare:
Is Allah no longer the one talking in the Quran?

Wa-allati [and who]
ahsanat [guarded]
farjaha [vágina]

fanafakhnā [so we breathed]
feeha [therein]
min [of]
ruhina [our spirit]

waja [and we]
alnāhā [made her]
wa-ibnahā [and her son]
ayatan [a sign/verse]
lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].
-Quran 21:91

وَٱلَّتِيٓ أَحۡصَنَتۡ فَرۡجَهَا فَنَفَخۡنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلۡنَٰهَا وَٱبۡنَهَآ ءَايَةٗ لِّلۡعَٰلَمِينَ



And We breathed into her of Our spirit



Oga mistranslating won't help u especially when u don't understand Arabic.

advocatejare:
We are talking about your filthy sex party “paradise” where all of you will be watching all of you as you all tire yourself out of sexual orgies

what are Christians be doing in paradise?



Or u think Solomon that fvcked multiple women on Earth won't like to do the same in heaven?


Even the sons of god from heaven came to fvck the daughter of men on the earth


And u think those sons won't like to fvck.

advocatejare:
The Arabic word for Vagina is farjaha, Muslim translators deliberately translated Farjaha to chastity in order to hide the truth. [/b]

problem is u don't understand Arabic and u are arguing.

the HA u put at the end is even "her" a posseive pronoun.

And the word farju was even also used for men in the Qur'an,the common word the Arabs used for vagina مهبل.



Farju means private part and it is used for both men and women,so he who guard her private part guard her Chasity!

advocatejare:
Quran 21:91
wa-allatī aḥṣanat farjahā fanafakhnā fīhā min rūḥinā wajaʿalnāhā wa-ib'nahā āyatan lil'ʿālamīna

Quran 66:12
Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena



Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

There are many words for chastity in Arabic language, farjaha is not one of them:

yeah u right there are many words for chastity but so u know farju was Also used for men?


And the word Quran used was Also used for Mary.

advocatejare:
بَتوليّة [batūliyya] means celibacy or virginity

طُهْر [ṭuhr] means purity

Arabic teacher


Virgin is among the chastity,a person that doesn't involve in extramarital sex is chastity.

So these people are guiding their private part

So these people are called محصنات (muhsanat) in Arabic and what they are guiding is their Private part فرج (farju).

advocatejare:
The word the Quran said Maryam guarded was farjaha which means ‘her cleft’ when cleft is used for a woman it means vagina because the female sex organs looks like 2 clefts/slits

In Biology if the word فَرْج Faraj/Farj is used it means cleft, which if used for a non-human means slit/an opening.



To further prove to you that فَرْجَهَ means vagina i will show u from your hadiths where the word was used to refer to vagina

فَرْجِهَا وَرَوَى سَعِيدٌ أَيْضًا : عَنْ عَلِيٍّ نَحْوَهُ , وَزَادَ : { وَبِهَا قَرَنٌ , فَزَوْجُهَا بِالْخِيَارِ , فَإِنْ مَسَّهَا فَلَهَا اَلْمَهْرُ بِمَا اِسْتَحَلَّ مِنْ

Sa'id (bin Mansur) also reported something similar from 'Ali (RA) and added:
"And (if) she has something like a horn (Qarn) (coming out of her vagina), her husband then has the right to divorce her or keep her. And if he had intercourse with her, she gets her dowry for the intercourse her husband has had."

Bulugh al-Maram Book 8, Hadith 1021

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنْ بَعْضِ، أَزْوَاجِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ إِذَا أَرَادَ مِنَ الْحَائِضِ شَيْئًا أَلْقَى عَلَى فَرْجِهَا ثَوْبً

Narrated One of the Wives of the Prophet:
Ikrimah reported on the authority of one of the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) saying: When the Prophet (ﷺ) wanted to do something (i.e. kissing, embracing) with (his) menstruating wife, he would put a garment on her private part.
Sunan Abi Dawud 272

Oga the correct translation for farju is private part cos it was used for both men and women in Qur'an except if u want to say men have Virgina



And if u guard your private part,then u are Chasity.

advocatejare:
I laugh at your ignorance. Holy spirit coming upon people in the Bible had nothing to do with filthiness like your Allah, it means the power of God descended upon them:

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Holy Spirit came upon:
Othniel (Judges 3:9-10)

Gideon (Judges 6:34)

Epitaph (Judges 11:29)

Samson (Judges 13:25; 14:6, 19; 15:14)

Samuel (1 Samuel 10:6-10; 16:13-14)

Saul (1 Samuel 19:20-23)

David (1 Samuel 23:1).

And the word translated as "overshadow" is ἐπισκιάσει (episkiasei) which means to enveloped by God's glorious presence which was not the first place such word was used in the Bible to denote the presence of God and had nothing to do with sexual intercourse like your sexual immoral god.

ἐπισκιάσει was also used in matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Luke 9:34
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

i laughed and breathing a spirit into her has to do with sexual?

And you are doing as if Yahweh don't breath a spirit into people.

because he never came to know the God who shaped him, who breathed into him an active soul and a living spirit.

Book of wisdom 15:11

Catholic book though, Protestant don remove am.

advocatejare:
But same can't be said of your immoral god who boasted about blowing his spirit into a lady's vagina

Sura 21:91
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

where did Qur'an says they Allah blew spirit into her Virgina?

advocatejare:
Everything about Allah is sex sex and sex, that is how he said that he breathed his spirit(Ruh) into Maryam’s vagina (farjaha) and got her pregnant in the process. Only the devil will promise you eternity of sexual orgies

oga which one is sex sex again?

Is sex not part of life or u don't fvck?

Moses, Solomon, David, Abraham and so on sex multiple women in their life.



And u using wrong translation for Qur'an 21:92?


And also recall the woman who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and made her and her son a Sign to the whole world.



Ati arabinrin to sọ abẹ rẹ,so u want the translator translated it to obo or Virgina?




No, because the term "farju" is used for both men and women

Example is

˹O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

The word "furuj" was used there, that's plurah for farju.


Are u saying Mary wasn't actually a virgin according to Qur'an?


She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me?'

Qur'an 3:47



And when did u become Arabic scholar?



Unlike Bible



The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you.



Holy spirit wan fvck?

advocatejare:
Everything about Allah is sex sex and sex, that is how he said that he breathed his spirit(Ruh) into Maryam’s vagina (farjaha) and got her pregnant in the process. Only the devil will promise you eternity of sexual orgies

oga which one is sex sex again?

Is sex not part of life or u don't fvck?

Moses, Solomon, David, Abraham and so on sex multiple women in their life.



And u using wrong translation for Qur'an 21:92?


And also recall the woman who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and made her and her son a Sign to the whole world.


And when did u become Arabic scholar?



Unlike Bible



The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you.



Holy spirit wan fvck?

Ojuntana:
Every man will die. I believe even your Quran preaches that fact. Your Islamic beliefs even say they will face judgement concerning their deeds while on earth. So I ask. Do you mean you don't know whether you will die or not? Do you mean Muhammad was saying he might not die? If so, can you explain this part of the conversation

everymen will die, that right.

But before death comes to u,do u know what will happen to u?

Ojuntana:
From the bolded, is it not obvious that they are talking about the afterlife? Or do you mean to interprete that as death is his reward in the afterlife? Use your brain now, even if it is vibrating

Mumu the bolded is the reply given to the lady after he told her how did she know Allah has honor the dead man.

Ojuntana:
Yes. It is not a final verdict. What he was saying there was not giving law. It was teaching on good neighbourliness and relationship. Everything is not law like you think. It is more about the message being passed. But I'm not surprised since you can take a parable literally. It shows your IQ level

it is parable again?


Then Jesus coming back is parable then

Ojuntana:
Choose one na. It is obvious you don't know which one to go for. Is it Muhammad's or yours? Your examples have been flawed so you arejust jumping around. Claiming Quran establishes genealogy using brothers and sister when it was obvious Salih being referred to as brother to the Thamud refers to their joint citizenship. If it were so, Mary would have been called Sister of Judah or Levi cause even you agree that Aaron is not her progenitor. So how come it is Aaron she is being referred to as sister of. If that is then the case, it means your argument is wrong and Mary and Aaron are not related. Muhammad is thus right. But Muhammad's problem is that there is no place where Jews refer to themselves as sisters or brothers of a past person. It is either sons or daughters

simple explanation your dumbass can't understand.

It is Bible that says she is related to Aaron not me, the argument I'm making is that she can be named sister of Aaron since Aaron is a Good person before her.

Ojuntana:
Ignorance is your middle name that's why. Besides, I don't know how a Muslim can be a specialist on Jewish history given that your Quran is very disjointed on the historical representation of Israelites

na mumu u be then

So u know more than the Jews that never called her daughter of heli?

How the fvck would u even be calling son in law of somebody as son of somebody?

Ojuntana:
Well, the Bible did. Sorry to disappoint you. It is unlike the Quran that claims Mary is a sister of Aaron and then the author later says it was just naming while you his believer says he's lying

so a child be be connected to her mother lineage again?

Ojuntana:
The problem in your interpretation is that Mary was not named after Aaron like Jacob and Joseph were. Mary is a sister to Aaron not Aaron himself. Your interpretation should read. Israelites used to name people with names of family memers of prophets that passed before them.

sorry she was,that was why she called arabinrin Aaroni.

Ojuntana:
Israelites have a common progenitor called Israel (Jacob) But don't forget that Jacob had two wives not one. Not only that, all his children married from outside his tribe, for example Joseph married from Egypt. So it is obvious after the second generation which is the generation of the grandchildren of Jacob, they more or less become distant cousins to themselves. So your argument is just like saying the children of Judah are related to the Egyptians by blood. How does that make sense to you Bloodline is counted by direct descendants through the male line not the nonsense you're capping

and u are acting as if the same Joseph descendants never marry isrealites after the death of Joseph, especially when they were slaves.

Ojuntana:
You just keep showing your mental deficiency. What is the difference between descendants and sons? you asked me to show you where sons where used to replace descendants and I showed you and you confirmed it yourself so what is your argument again? The next task is for you to show where brothers and sisters are used to describe descendants or you're just taqqiyaing

stop being a lying ass nigga, Bible never called those people his sons.



Now the sons of Reuben, Israel’s firstborn, their descendants by their families, by their fathers’ households(according to their fathers), according to the number of names, head by head, every male from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go to war

The Bible linked those sons to sons of Reuben.

Ojuntana:
Muhammad never said they were related either. If they were related, I think that is the easiest answer to give. The fact is he was responding to a question asked his disciple by Jews. So if his explanation was cogent, the Jews would not have asked because they will understand their tradition. What Muhammad did is same as an Igbo man telling Yoruba people their tradition Na lie

Aaron and Mary related through Jacob or not?

Ojuntana:
Where did I say Luke was known as? Is your head vibrating? Luke recognized in his genealogy that Jesus was known as Jospeh's son but not Joseph's son. So if he had given Joseph's genealogy, it would have been illegitimate because Jesus is not Joseph's biological son. He was writing to Romans who consider a son only legitimate if he is from his father.

Jesus was known as Joseph son in Luke because they know he is not his real Father.

Ojuntana:
Taqqiya. Go and ask very well. Baba kekere is only used where the man is deceased, most especially if he inherits his elder brother's widow, then the children of the deceased start to call him Baba kekere. Aburo baba mi is a literal translation. It means Uncle but is not a word for Uncle. Just like Egbon means Elder brother. You can use Egbon for an Uncle in Yoruba especially depending on the age of the Uncle in question. Stop the taqqiya

u can call your uncle an ẹgbọn,what a dumbass nigga u are.

Ojuntana:
Yes. What I pointed out to you is that only the male can inherit properties in Jewish laws. An exemption was made for the daughters of Zolephenad but with the condition that they must marry from their tribe so their husbands can inherit the properties on their behalf. Now show where Jews name descendants based on filial or matrilineal line. I'm watitng or else we both agree it is taqiyya at play again

And if u know that, then why u keep saying Luke 3 is about Jesus geneology through Mary?

Ojuntana:
She is not related to Elizabeth through her father because if she was, that will make her a Levite and she was never recorded to be a Levite. Like I told you, Levites are not known to have a hometown. Mary was said to be from Galilee according to Luke and even Matthew. If she was a levite, she would be referred to as a Levite from Galilee. Because Levites don't have hometown. They are like Fulani. They have no portion allotted to them.

oh she is from Galilee not Bethlehem?

But Bible never referred as Judah either.

Ojuntana:
Simple English. It means people who lived [b]before them [/b]and are dead long. You should have just said you're struggling to understand the English since na

and the bolded is?

Ojuntana:
Aaron and Miriam are related as brothers and sisters which is the mistake your prophet made

That is your Bible Jewish story nigga,not Qur'an.

Ojuntana:
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is if quran did not mention it. then you don't have authority over that fact. you're borrowing the fact from the Bible which is a book you have disparaged as corrupted. So how do you know that fact as written in the Bible is not corrupted as well

and why would Qur'an be telling u long story book when it ain't a story book unlike Bible?

Ojuntana:
It is bad because she is not Aaron's sister. Miriam is Aaron's sister. Muhammad was a bad copier who mixed it up

and when did I say a blood sister now?

Ojuntana:
Luke 3

why u lying unto innocent Luke?

Ojuntana:
She is the wife of Joseph who was supposed father of Jesus. It is obvious that due to the patrilineal lineage adopted by Jews, Joseph is mentioned in her place.

and that was the reason why Bible never connected him to Mary lineage,stop your lying ass.

because of the same patrillineal u keep mentioning

Ojuntana:
She is. But Muhammad does not think so

now that that u agreed

How do Muhammed don't agreed oooo?

Verily, they (isrealites)used to name people with the names of prophets(just like Jacob and Joseph the carpenter name) and righteous people who had passed before them(their people that has passed before them).

Ojuntana:
Does that make their ancestors their brothers? Brothers in this case refers to their citizenship not blood relations. For example, if I say all Yorubas are brothers and sisters, do I mean they are related by blood? The answer is No for it is a given that those who are related by blood are not allowed to marry one another and we know Yorubas marry themselves except you mean incest is acceptable in Yorubaland

brothers by distant blood,just like how isrealites are brothers by distant blood through the 12 tribes of Jacob.

Ojuntana:
Oh so you recognize those as Solomon's sons. Why then do you argue that David's descendants can't be called his sons. Here's another example: Numbers 1:20 You can see the children of Reuben numbered as 460500. I guess the number of Reuben's direct children is 460,500 according to you

because the verse u posted Never called the sons of Solomon as David's but they called Solomon his son.

How come u used version that suited u ?

New International Version

From the descendants of Reuben the firstborn son of Israel: All the men twenty years old or more who were able to serve in the army were listed by name, one by one, according to the records of their clans and families.

This verse didn't even mentioned their number.



New American Standard Bible

Now the sons of Reuben, Israel’s firstborn, their descendants by their families(their real sons), by their fathers’ households(according to their fathers), according to the number of names, head by head, every male from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go to war

Ojuntana:
So you agree with the Bible and disagree with Muhammad. No problem.

I like how u eventually agreed with Bible but Muhammed never say Mary wasn't related to Mary since Aaron is righteous man before Mary.
.

Ojuntana:
You can clearly see the distinction that he was known as. This shows that Luke recognized that Jesus was not Joseph's so and thus established his genealogy through his mother

Jesus was known as not Luke was known as!

Jesus was known as Joseph son since he wasn't his real father,stop twisting the English.

Ojuntana:
Tell me what Yorubas call uncle. Cause I know there is no word like Uncle in Yoruba. Besides, Lot and Abraham were directly related to one another. Abraham was not a great ancestor to Lot.

we call them baba kekere or aburo baba mi

Ojuntana:
Numbers 36 You can see here that the daughters of Zelophehad were only allowed to marry from their tribe so that their inheritance will not be lost to their husbands' tribe since the inheritance will automatically pass to their husbands once they marry.

and is inheritance stuff related to The son-in-law can be adopted as the son?

Ojuntana:
Is Elizabeth Aaron's sister? Elizabeth is Aaron's great descendant so it is very possible that through the mother side she and Mary her related. It is obvious even from your Muhammad's response that Mary was not a Levite. It is just like saying a Yoruba man, fathered by a Yoruba but whose mother has Igbo mother and Yoruba father is Igbo. Does that make sense. People are known by the tribe of their father most especially in Jewish culture

and u don't know whether she related to her through father or mother.

Ojuntana:
"When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "Sister of Harun", (i.e. Mary), in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born well before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger I asked him about that, and he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostle and pious persons who had gone before them."" [Sahih Muslim, translated by Abdul Siddiqi].

and pious persons who had gone before them


The bolded mean?

Ojuntana:
What brought about Aaron? Is it not your claim that Mary is related to Aaron and thus a Levite? Something your prophet does not agree with.

sorry I mean we are talking about Aaron stuff not Miriam

Ojuntana:
Nitwit. If Quran does not mention it then that means Quran does not have authority over that fact.

are u saying Abraham never gave birth to Ismaelite and Isaac again?

Ojuntana:
And as the halfwit that you are, you do not realize that Jacob father of Joseph in OT has Isaac as his father while Jacob father of Joseph in NT has Matthatus as his father. you can't just erase that fact because you're uncomfortable with it

mumu did I argued with u that they are the same?

Ojuntana:
She is related according to the Bible though Muhammad does not agree. Who do you go with? Bible or Muhammad?

So if she is called sister of Aaron,is it bad?

Ojuntana:
I don't understand.
Was Muhammad correct that she was just named after Aaron or he's wrong and they're related?

were they calling her Aaron?

advocatejare:
You asked if Yahweh allowed sex slavery or not and I told you that the answer is no, then you brought out this verse. This is not talking about allowing sex slavery. There was not a command that people should have sex with their slaves. That was what the word used is “if” . So it wasn’t a commmand or what what was expected as a legal right unlike what is obtained in your Quran where Muslims are given an express permission to sleep with their slaves and keep sex slaves

the word allow is what I asked not commanded,don't twist the word.the allow is In the Quran concerning concubines/sex slavery.

If it is not allowed, Yahweh would condemn it,so if the slave girl u are fvcking is not bethroned to another man,then no punishment,so tell me he doesn't permit that.



If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she is not to go free as male servants do.If she does not please the master who has

selected her for himsel[/b]f,he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her


Exodus 21:7-8

advocatejare:
Successful indeed are the believers Who are humble in their prayers, And who shun vain conversation, And who are payers of the poor-due; And who guard their modesty - [b]Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy
-Quran 23:1-6



And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
-Quran 70:29-30

yeah Islam allow it just like Bible, instead of taking using them as prostitute to multiple men and Islam also allowed marry them.

Abraham, Solomon, David and so on had sex slave and Yahweh never condemn it.

advocatejare:
Allah even gives you the right to sleep with married slaves :

Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
Quran 4:23-24

I don't know where u see sleep with there cos Allah was mentioning the people that cannot be Marry to.

u see Allah was mentioning those who cannot be Marry to except a slave,he now said all those beyond the people he mentioned (except-excluding slave women) are lawful to us for marriage.


Because slave can also be married to in Islam.

advocatejare:
There was no God’s established religion during the time of Moses and Abraham but after then, all other prophets that you also claimed are you prophets in Islam, served Yahweh. They went and serve Yahweh in the temple.

this is lie,they don't need to have God established religion, plus all prophets worship one God and they commanded people of not worshipping idols.

Plus during the prophehood of Abraham and Moses, Bible said they worship God,that is religion.

advocatejare:
Jesus that Muhammad claimed to be the successor of went into the temple as a child to serve God, he was never lost and misguided like the Quran said Muhammad was.

yeah cos during his time, idolatary wasn't rampant in isreal plus the like of Moses, Elijah, Samuel and so on have eradicated idolatary in the Land of isreal.


Or do u read any evidence of rampant idolatary during the time of Jesus in isreal?

advocatejare:
You have not told us the mistakes he made.

one of it was during the time a blind poor man called Abdullah ibn maktum came to accept Islam from him when the prophet was preaching to the Mecca Chieftains,Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum came along and asked Muhammad about something.the prophet did not want to turn his attention away from the chieftains and frowned at ibn Umm Maktum. Allah admonished prophet Muhammad for this action

advocatejare:
How he continued his Quraysh idolatry tradition in the worship of Hubal/Allah in the Quran

How he used to go into the caves before he claimed to have become a prophet (when he was still lost and misguided) to worship Allah his tribal god in the caves until one day when he had encounter with the entity that pinned him down 3 times before he was taken to Waraqa who then pronounced him a prophet

The reason why he used to visit the mount hira. Mostly, he was thinking and meditating on the Greatness of God, and seeking to escape the social ills that dominated Meccan society at the time, including abuse and neglect of women, idolatry, an unfair balance of wealth, and abuse of those living in poverty




Christians used to visit mountain,so if I visit the same mountain,does that mean I'm worshipping in Christiandom way?

Ojuntana:
Taqiyya Master. Why are you quoting me and putting my moniker on things I never said. Is your brain doing overheating?

You that lied against your Master Muhammad

my fault bro and shut the fvck up and u are doing as if u can't make mistake.

Ojuntana:
How does it relate to what he said? Was he talking about a dead person's situation after death? Because the conversation between him and Um was about Uthman who had died and whom Um said God had honored in death

he said death has come for him,what we will happen to me or u I don't Know.

If your relative died,do u know what will happen to u?

Ojuntana:
Liable to hell means in danger of going to hell not going to hell. So I don't know how that means Jesus is in hell when the Bible clearly says he resurrected and then ascended. Even your Quran agrees with his ascension. If you doubt his ascension, then that means the Quran was lying.

liable Also means responsible by law
So Jesus created law and broke it with his own hand.

Ojuntana:
Here, two cases of Muhammad lying have been established according to you

hehehe.

Ojuntana:
Muhammad said she was named after Aaron because aaron was pious not that they are related. That's the excuse he gave when he was confronted with the obvious mistake.
It means he's lying since the explanation is that she is Aaron's sister by relationship

she was named after now they are calling her Aaron ?